[libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website design proposal from DrupalDevTeam
Hi everyone, Sorry for the triple cross-mailing list post, but we really need the feedback from all the teams. For the last 16 days the Drupal Development team has been working on a proposal for the website graphic design, we have had a very good feedback from all it's members and now we think we have something to present for your consideration. We have been working with a prototyping methodology, this is the third iteration of the design, there has been a lot of changes, so please check the changelog for more details. We accumulated 73 emails with comments and suggestions :P So we expect this design continues to evolve and get improved so at the end we all get to a consensus on the design and direction. Feel free to modify the design, suggest changes and post mockups :D The current design as a lot of considerations, from the perspective of the UX, demographical consideration, logical and navigation flow, screen space, disposition of elements and also from a marketing perspective (the frontpage) and the LibreOffice document metaphor. This design is inspired from the current website, branding colors and logo, so if those elements get changed the design would need to change too. What can absolutely be improved: 1. The LibO logo used is the base logo not the "contemporary" one, with is prettier, I hasn't able to find the SVG of that one so is had to use the base logo. 2. As stated on (1), the logos on the frontpage blocks follows the same graphic style, so, those can be improved. 3. Margins of the general document, line height and font size for better readability. I'm uploading a big tar.gz file with all the source files of all the iterations, the raster of the current one, the changelog and the current IA to my personal webserver, could someone please put this on the appropriate site, thanks in advance. http://www.cjenkins.net/files/LibO_Website_Design_Proposal_DrupalDevTeam.tar.gz sha1sum: *837d1203c863e4121ce20d219975a984053301ed* Size: 4.7MB There are two rendered images: The design of the frontpage and a general design used by all the others. So, I'm kindly asking for all the members of these team to review, comment and improve this design. When considered final, with pleasure I could implement this as a Drupal theme. Kind regards -- Carlos Jenkins http://www.cjenkins.net/ http://csl-tec.softwarelibrecr.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Update on Drupal Website Progress
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote: > You do not mean that the sites in different languages will look the same > with the same content? Language projects need to have their own content and > do not rely on automatic translation because it deliver very poor quality. > For the Drupal sites used on the OOo project, we manage the translation of > the Drupal files on Pootle, so I think we can do the same here. But for the > content, really each project should be able to manage it's own content. > > And thanks all for your work :) > > Kind regards > Sophie Automatic Translation will only occur on things which are considered 'instant communication' such as forums, mailing lists, and such. The main section of the site (ie product information, support pages etc.) will be manually translated either through pootle or directly on the site. If there is a page which does not have a native translation yet it will display in english and allow the user to offer a translation directly on the site if authorised as a translator. To summarise we will be maintaining the integrity and quality of all of the 'important' content while allowing cross-language communication in real time for community discussions. I envisage that this should break down a lot of barriers for people getting involved in the project. What are your thoughts on the subject? Michael Wheatland -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] For those who want to work on the CSS / code / missing translations on the CMS
Hi Andrea. *, On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 13/11/2010 Christian Lohmaier wrote: > > Thanks! Is it (at least theoretically) possible to do something similar > with the actual site content? We had a brief exchange about this back in > October, but we didn't come to a clear conclusion. No - at least not that way. But within the CMS, you can expand the "Versions" taskpane on the left, below the sitetree and choose to compare two versions. While this won't give you a source-diff, it will show you difference in content, which probably is more useful anyway. >> I created a snapshot of fr.test.libreoffice.org for offline use: >> https://website.test.libreoffice.org/assets/website/export/frhtml.tar.gz > > So I see that making a snapshot is possible, and this is already quite > good; I would just like to know whether there is a way (it doesn't have > to be graphical) to track individual changes to the pages, like > http://it.openoffice.org/source/browse/it/www/download/3.2.1/download321.html?r1=1.11&r2=1.12 No - such a view doesn't exist currently. (It would be possible to implement it though). But before I'll look into this, the other parts of the site should be ready :-) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] TDF blog - in need of some CSS love
drew wrote: > Excellent - I saw that yesterday and wondered who had set that up, just > assumed it was Florian so updated the wiki page at: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Web_Sites_services#Internal_Systems > > I'll update that and add your in as the contact then, yes? > Hi Drew, thx for adding - it's a shared resource, so best put webmas...@documentfoundation.org as the contact. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Update on Drupal Website Progress
Hi Michael, all, I'm sorry, I'm currently travelling and really very partially connected, but there is a point where I would like to give clarification: [...] (-) All languages will have the same content, some of which will be automatically translated so collaboration can occur across languages. (Forums, News, Extensions, Templates) You do not mean that the sites in different languages will look the same with the same content? Language projects need to have their own content and do not rely on automatic translation because it deliver very poor quality. For the Drupal sites used on the OOo project, we manage the translation of the Drupal files on Pootle, so I think we can do the same here. But for the content, really each project should be able to manage it's own content. And thanks all for your work :) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] For those who want to work on the CSS / code / missing translations on the CMS
On 13/11/2010 Christian Lohmaier wrote: > the css and related files as well as the silverstripe code and related > files have been uploaded to git and can be accessed/downloaded from > github Thanks! Is it (at least theoretically) possible to do something similar with the actual site content? We had a brief exchange about this back in October, but we didn't come to a clear conclusion. > I created a snapshot of fr.test.libreoffice.org for offline use: > https://website.test.libreoffice.org/assets/website/export/frhtml.tar.gz So I see that making a snapshot is possible, and this is already quite good; I would just like to know whether there is a way (it doesn't have to be graphical) to track individual changes to the pages, like http://it.openoffice.org/source/browse/it/www/download/3.2.1/download321.html?r1=1.11&r2=1.12 Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Color of website
Hi Klaus-Jürgen, *, On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: > Am 21.11.2010 03:43, schrieb Bernhard Dippold: >>> >>> The main headlines >>> (h1, h2, h3) and all strong words are green1, >> >> ok, but I don't understand the reason to up-size h2 over the size of h1. > > I only changed the color. The root cause is that in the .CSS h1 is in a fix > size (24px) and h2, h3 in a relative size (2em). For the reason we may ask > Christian Lohmaier. No reason besides that is what was there - I used silverstripe's default theme (blackcandy) and hacked it until I got something that had more or less the same appearance as www.documentfoundation.org Writing clean css wasn't a top priority at that time :-) The reason why h1 is hardcoded is because it is not used in the body usually - just as with the wiki, default is to start the document with level 2, h1 is the page title in the header/top-area. > Perhaps we should do a special barrier-free website too > (http://cocoate.com/de/barrierefreiheit-und-joomla bzw. > http://cocoate.com/fr/joomla-15-francais/l-accessibilite-dans-joomla). > Therefor I will ask Christian in a different thread. (But not at the start.) accessibility is already accounted for by not using tables for the layout at all, this should make all other efforts (including providing a dedicated stylesheet or similar) a lot easier Thanks a lot you two for tackling this - I'll change the testbed page at http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780 to use the updated style in the next minutes, then I'd love to see feedback from other people as well. Not getting feedback can have two main causes: People are fine with the current status/don't see the need for change, or they don't see any hope in making a change. I hope people don't hesitate to comment because it will result in some work for other people (not necessarily themselves).. ciao Christian ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The LibreOffice website
Servus Bernhard, Am 21.11.2010 13:43, schrieb Bernhard Dippold: > I've been told when I asked for access to marketing.libreoffice.org > that this area is not going to become active, because there has been > a decision on the structure I haven't been involved and I don't know > if this is an official decision of TDF or the website team: > > The website should only contain information for our users, while all > other content - for contributors, community activities and anything > else - should be presented at the wiki. > > http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/msg00925.html Actually, I was only reporting my understandig, that I gathered from observation, reading and hearing, on mailing lists, IRC and conference calls et cetera. However, I cannot prove, if this is based on any official decision nor can I give any reference. > I'd rather like to see official marketing and design material (for > journalists, contributors, designers, website admins and so on) on > the website, while material waiting for official approval, drafts > and ideas should be hosted on the wiki. [...] > Of course we don't need to call the website area "marketing" or > "design", perhaps "resources" or a dedicated tab in "download" might > be appropriate. I like this idea. > But at first we should decide on the structure. +1 Servus, Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The LibreOffice website
Hi Drew, all (I'd like to have a follow-up on the website list - please remove market...@libo when replying, if you are subscribed there too) I've been told when I asked for access to marketing.libreoffice.org that this area is not going to become active, because there has been a decision on the structure I haven't been involved and I don't know if this is an official decision of TDF or the website team: The website should only contain information for our users, while all other content - for contributors, community activities and anything else - should be presented at the wiki. http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/msg00925.html drew schrieb: [...] it appears to me, that there is good progress for the different NL pages, but the international pages are lagging. So - looking over the ML, wiki, various test sites - it's not that we are lacking ideas, there are wire frames, color schemes and lots of legacy content. Let me simply ask: How do folks here want to proceed? I'd rather like to see official marketing and design material (for journalists, contributors, designers, website admins and so on) on the website, while material waiting for official approval, drafts and ideas should be hosted on the wiki. This would allow creative activity in the wiki while keeping a consistent branding in the way and the resources we communicate to the outside. Of course we don't need to call the website area "marketing" or "design", perhaps "resources" or a dedicated tab in "download" might be appropriate. The present area "trademark" on the "Project" tab seems not to be the right place in my eyes. I imagine not only logos, but web buttons and banners, posters and handouts, presentation templates (stating "created with LibreOffice") and other material to be used by users and promoters (the press kit could be placed there too IMHO), while more resources can be reached after logging in: branding elements, templates for official project presentations, business cards (stating "LibO community member" after approval as contributor) and so on. Christoph, would like to take a little time still to look at the basic questions: Who we are expecting as the sites users? What do we want to offer them? Ok, good questions sure. I would like to suggest we focus our attention and actions, for the moment, to the website we will be going live in a few weeks. +1 Anyone want to jump here and kick it off? Even if I don't have much time, that's the area I already wanted to start during the last weeks. Any help is highly appreciated! But at first we should decide on the structure. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Color of website
Hi Bernhard,
Am 21.11.2010 03:43, schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
So look at LO5 as first possible change of the sidebar.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/CSS#LO5:
I like it much better - it looks more lightweight ("libre" ;-) ).
The sidebar has no green background but a green1-title.
This allows the corner of grey triangles to become a relevant branding
element.
Only the marked
and the hover page will be green1 with white text.
Perhaps there is a way to add the gradient from the active tab in the
top navigation to the left border of the active entry in the left tab?
(and could the right upper corners of the left tabs be removed as well
on the active green as on the inactive grey entries?)
I will try to get it if it is possible.
The main headlines
(h1, h2, h3) and all strong words are green1,
ok, but I don't understand the reason to up-size h2 over the size of h1.
I only changed the color. The root cause is that in the .CSS h1 is in a
fix size (24px) and h2, h3 in a relative size (2em). For the reason we
may ask Christian Lohmaier.
the normal link is blue0,
hover link is blue1 and underlined, the activated link is green1.
On my flatscreen blue0 is too dark - not easily to be distinguished from
normal text (might become even more a problem for visually impaired
people).
Perhaps we should do a special barrier-free website too
(http://cocoate.com/de/barrierefreiheit-und-joomla bzw.
http://cocoate.com/fr/joomla-15-francais/l-accessibilite-dans-joomla).
Therefor I will ask Christian in a different thread. (But not at the start.)
Looking at your screenshot, I'd prefer:
- blue1 for normal links,
- blue1 underlined for hover links
- green1 underlined for activated links (in order to distinguish them
from headings and texts.
I will change it.
Hope this helps.
Yes of course.
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k-j
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