[libreoffice-website] Wiki breaking links
Has anyone changed the wiki automatic filters over the past week. I have been editing in the rich text editor, as I always do and my links almost always come out looking like: http://link";>[Wiki Auto Link] URL[/Wiki Auto Link] As I understand it the fckeditor uses the HTML a tag but it looks like the wiki filter is not recognising that the URL is already inside a link. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
I will try and provide screenshots tomorrow, right now I'm trying to hurry with pages David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hi Klaus, :-) Take a look at the FAQs here... they don't look well proportioned to me: https://test.libreoffice.org/get-help/faq/ Also the international sites page is not too pretty IMHO. More line spacing, and bullets at the beginning of each line would look better... These are the 2 main outstanding problems, apart from the site menu: I looked at: http://de.test.libreoffice.org/faq/neupage/faq-werkzeuge/ IMHO, it does not look good... I am just being careful not to have more that 1 sub-page to make sure it doesn't look bad, but that's not really a solution... David Nelson On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 15:25, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: > Hii, > Am 14.12.2010 22:26, schrieb David Nelson: >> >> BTW, love and attention is needed for the left side menu. It shows >> sub-pages of the current page. It works OK if there is just one level >> of sub-pages, but breaks and looks ugly if there are 2 sub-levels >> below the current page. > > Can you give us an example. On > http://de.test.libreoffice.org/faq/neupage/faq-werkzeuge/ it seems to work > ok. > > Maybe you (and all the others) can tell me/us what we can do better. Give > some suggestions, pictures, links, etc. and then we/I try to convert it in > the css. > This appeal is for the "adjustments to the > text sizes, notably of the titles, and maybe consider increasing the > line spacing" as you write in > http://go.mail-archive.com/tX_pZ9zCPw2xeHQ0EZnQtP-Orzk= > , too. > > > -- > Greetings > k-j > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hii, Am 14.12.2010 22:26, schrieb David Nelson: BTW, love and attention is needed for the left side menu. It shows sub-pages of the current page. It works OK if there is just one level of sub-pages, but breaks and looks ugly if there are 2 sub-levels below the current page. Can you give us an example. On http://de.test.libreoffice.org/faq/neupage/faq-werkzeuge/ it seems to work ok. Maybe you (and all the others) can tell me/us what we can do better. Give some suggestions, pictures, links, etc. and then we/I try to convert it in the css. This appeal is for the "adjustments to the text sizes, notably of the titles, and maybe consider increasing the line spacing" as you write in http://go.mail-archive.com/tX_pZ9zCPw2xeHQ0EZnQtP-Orzk= , too. -- Greetings k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] SilverStripe site progress review
Hi, :-) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 14:39, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: > If you will get nothing than we should translate the content of > http://fr.test.libreoffice.org/libreoffice/ > and subpages > or > http://de.test.libreoffice.org/product/writer/ > and subpages > which has more content but is nearer to the text of OOo. > > -- > Grüße > k-j Thanks for the idea but I think we can manage some original content. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] SilverStripe site progress review
Hi David, Am 14.12.2010 22:07, schrieb David Nelson: There is already a page under Features, but I am asking you to submit me content by e-mail for the following sub-pages: - Writer - Draw - Impress - Draw - Base - Math - Extensions For each component, I need a rundown of the features and advantages. If you will get nothing than we should translate the content of http://fr.test.libreoffice.org/libreoffice/ and subpages or http://de.test.libreoffice.org/product/writer/ and subpages which has more content but is nearer to the text of OOo. -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote: > So it will be the end of the topic for me because you don't want to > understand: how will you recruit the hundred of contributors currently > taking care of the forums if they don't want to be force to use Drupal? Will > you tell them that you don't care about them, as you're don't care about > what I try to explain to you since weeks ? We will never force anyone to do anything. In my mind, once the Drupal development is complete and implemented then people will want to move tools. As I understand it, this is why the SC asked the website team to develop Drupal. IMHO satellite groups are great and I would only encourage them to continue. If however they wanted to be incorporated into the official site we would provide assistance to migrate. > Yes, shame on me, you're right. My decision is to go for Drupal where needed > and to respect the community decision if they don't want to use Drupal as a > 'all in one tool' because they are already doing a great work with another > tool and want to stay with it. Period. > So you can blame me, but I won't move from this position to battle for the > respect of the community. And again a tool if far from a community in my > eyes. There is no shame or blame intended. IMHO the decision from the SC was a very good decision strategically, Silverstripe is going to provide an excelent short term solution and Drupal is going to allow the community to grow exponentially with more valuable contributions from many more people. It should be made clear to those contributing where the project is going, this ensures that the work and project are aligned. Second guessing SC decisions is not good for community morale and discourages contribution. IMHO, The Drupal website development has been a great example of the community creating the tool they want. There has been good consultation with the main functional teams so far, and the mini-project has encouraged some great debate. A tool will never 'be' a community, but examples like Ubuntu or even facebook show that well engineered tools helps to grow a community. >> It is actually quite easy with the Graphmind Drupal module >> http://drupal.org/project/graphmind > > just that you need an access to the web, that was what I mean. Not everybody > has a web access. You don't need access to the web, You can create or edit the mind map in Freemind. Narayan Wrote: --->>>Michael, here is your chance to prove that Drupal can provide easy concept charts! ;) I am very busy with other things, but If you wanted to come up with a structure proposal on the wiki for how this ties in with the proposed brainstorm system I am sure we could work towards implementation. Thanks, Mike Wheatland -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi Sophie, > > Of course, I am not suggesting that users should be forced to use a > > tool that does not fit their needs. > > a small difference here, it's not users but contributors, just a small > difference I used the word "user" to mean readers and contributors. :) > > Why don't we try out a small pilot project and get the early user > > feedback, and see what happens? :) > > again, it's not users but contributors, still different but why not, let > see who will duplicate the efforts and resources. Michael, it boils down to your explaining how this will work. * How easy it is to migrate old data. (A small demo will help) * "Old vs new" demo videos to convince how the new tool is better (I can help here). > > A major factor in favor of trying new technologies is, we don't have > > old legacy data; so there are no worries about losing data because of > > non-compatibility. > > we have a lot of legacy data, so this is very important to take them in > consideration. This is an important knowledge base. Well, I hope Michael is aware of this data and its old format. If the idea is to make is available through Drupal, then this would be an early goal for Drupal team. > > Note that LibO itself has a major paradigm shift vis-a-vis OOo: 1. It > > will have a new design paradigm (feature vs content) 2. it will have > > new interfaces > > I don't understand what you're saying here, what is this new design and > new interfaces? Could you give some link to that? > > > > So why is it that we want a paradigm shift in LibO design; but not > > for the help community? > > still I don't understand OK from the blogs etc, this is what I understood: LibO team exited from Oracle to follow their vision of how OOo should have been developed. One of the goals was Content-based development (against feature-based development). The Go-OO talked about prohibitive politics at Sun (not Oracle, mind). They specifically mentioned that some features/bugfixes were deliberately avoided at Sun. It seems all their patches are included in LibO now (features+bugfixes). Further, Go-OO announced closing Go-OO to continue with LibO. To me, all this means that the LibO team will do something different from what Sun/Oracle were doing. It is not just a power struggle or clash of egos. (correct me if I am wrong). So, we ARE talking about breaking away from the old philosophy that was prevalent for 10-20 years. If so, why not consider new ways of working also? > > A case in point is this thread itself. > > > > It started when I wanted to know if Drupal is going to be adopted. I > > never got my answer. > > I give one and ask some questions, may be you don't read it or do not > want to answer. And seems I'm still an SC member ;-) DUH!! one of the MANY problems in mail lists is that we never know if we are talking to royalty. :) In a forum, your designation would have told me you are SC member. I will have to go back and search for your answer. :( > > But we have since then covered a lot of other inter-related ideas. > > > > Now a mail chain is the least efficient tool for such conceptual > > discussion. * We cannot reach any conclusion. * A latecomer cannot > > read it and understand what is happening. > > Sorry, I can't easily access web content, that is why I'm stuck with > mailing lists. See, this is the second power outage until I begin this > mail, funny isn't it :) I don't see how power outage will make a difference. What's the difference between a mail list and a forum page? Both are delivered one page at a time! Both pages are supposed to be light (so as to not take time in loading). > > A concept map (or an argument map) are the best tool for conceptual > > discussion. Both can be collaboratively plotted in Drupal. > > I'm use to conceptual map on papers, sorry not easy to put on Drupal I > fear ;-), but yes I work quite often with them, useful tool, that's true. Michael, here is your chance to prove that Drupal can provide easy concept charts! ;) > So using mailing list is not an old habit, I would love to use other > funny things like forum and online tools, it's just the only way to > communicate and participate I have :-) sorry to bother you with poor but > expensive connexion consideration, it seems however we are the major > part of the world in this situation. Again, I don't think forum are any different from a mail list in poor connectivity situation. BTW, I am glad that a highly active SC member is concerned about poor connectivity. This indeed is a huge problem around the world. But you are focusing on loading of HTML pages. A far more serious problem we face is in downloading LibO itself. Why does LibO continue to offer only full downloads; and not updates? That will help people with poor connectivity tremendously! Oracle Open Office offers update. Their marketing brochure actually boasts of large savings based on this single difference. So why does LibO not talk about
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
On 15/12/2010 08:00, Michael Wheatland wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi Narayan, Of course, I am not suggesting that users should be forced to use a tool that does not fit their needs. a small difference here, it's not users but contributors, just a small difference I disagree, we should not be catering to contributors, but all users. The OOo contribution community has been too small for too long. If we really do want to succeed we need to see all users as potential contributors and provide equal access and respect. So it will be the end of the topic for me because you don't want to understand: how will you recruit the hundred of contributors currently taking care of the forums if they don't want to be force to use Drupal? Will you tell them that you don't care about them, as you're don't care about what I try to explain to you since weeks ? It started when I wanted to know if Drupal is going to be adopted. I never got my answer. I give one and ask some questions, may be you don't read it or do not want to answer. And seems I'm still an SC member ;-) It is a shame that there are some in the community who did not listen to, or misinterpreted the SC decision statement, isn't it. Yes, shame on me, you're right. My decision is to go for Drupal where needed and to respect the community decision if they don't want to use Drupal as a 'all in one tool' because they are already doing a great work with another tool and want to stay with it. Period. So you can blame me, but I won't move from this position to battle for the respect of the community. And again a tool if far from a community in my eyes. The official SC decision statement made it clear that Drupal will replace Silverstripe when it is considered ready. http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.website/592 A concept map (or an argument map) are the best tool for conceptual discussion. Both can be collaboratively plotted in Drupal. I'm use to conceptual map on papers, sorry not easy to put on Drupal I fear ;-), but yes I work quite often with them, useful tool, that's true. It is actually quite easy with the Graphmind Drupal module http://drupal.org/project/graphmind just that you need an access to the web, that was what I mean. Not everybody has a web access. So as said at the beginning of this mail, end of topic for me. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote: > Hi Narayan, >> Of course, I am not suggesting that users should be forced to use a >> tool that does not fit their needs. > > a small difference here, it's not users but contributors, just a small > difference I disagree, we should not be catering to contributors, but all users. The OOo contribution community has been too small for too long. If we really do want to succeed we need to see all users as potential contributors and provide equal access and respect. >> It started when I wanted to know if Drupal is going to be adopted. I >> never got my answer. > > I give one and ask some questions, may be you don't read it or do not want > to answer. And seems I'm still an SC member ;-) It is a shame that there are some in the community who did not listen to, or misinterpreted the SC decision statement, isn't it. The official SC decision statement made it clear that Drupal will replace Silverstripe when it is considered ready. http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.website/592 >> A concept map (or an argument map) are the best tool for conceptual >> discussion. Both can be collaboratively plotted in Drupal. > > I'm use to conceptual map on papers, sorry not easy to put on Drupal I fear > ;-), but yes I work quite often with them, useful tool, that's true. It is actually quite easy with the Graphmind Drupal module http://drupal.org/project/graphmind Michael Wheatland -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: wiki todos
Hi Flo, On 14/12/2010 23:30, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Marc, Marc Paré wrote on 2010-12-14 21.15: Just to clarify Florian, page deletions by page owners only right? Or are you talking about admins only? by anyone - IMHO, there is no page "owner", but right now, only admins can delete a page. I guess there was some tag one can add to notify admins of "this page has to be deleted" - at least that's how other wikis do it. :) We had a template that we add to the page in the OOo wiki and a script was run to delete the page containing that template. I don't have the time yet, but it was on my todo to have a lool at scripts and templates that would help us. Only around the end of next week, I'll have some time. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] SilverStripe site progress review
Hi Michael, :-) Thanks for the suggestion, but unfortunately they are obviously foreign-language articles that went through rather unsuccessful machine translation, and it would be quicker to find an alternative solution... So I'm still looking. ;-) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:10, Michael Wheatland wrote: > David, > There is already some pages up at the Drupal development site under > 'features' which are just placeholders but may contain a fair amount > of the information you are seeking. > > Mike Wheatland David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] SilverStripe site progress review
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:37 AM, David Nelson wrote: > There is already a page under Features, but I am asking you to submit > me content by e-mail for the following sub-pages: > > - Writer > - Draw > - Impress > - Draw > - Base > - Math > - Extensions David, There is already some pages up at the Drupal development site under 'features' which are just placeholders but may contain a fair amount of the information you are seeking. Mike Wheatland -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hi, :-) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 08:46, Christian Lohmaier wrote: >> [1] http://www.test.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/ > > Might be a bad example, as there are lots of empty paragraphs in there. > > a paragraph just for the anchor tag, and yet another one completely > empty. For example: > name="De-Installation_of_a_Previous_Version_of_LibreOffice_for_Windows">De-Installation > of a Previous Version of LibreOffice for Windows > name="De-Installation_of_a_Previous_Version_of_LibreOffice_for_Windows"> > > > Lorem ipsum dolor [...] > > Note that the heading itself has the anchor, and the just below > contains the same anchor, then yet again a completely empty paragraph, > then follows the text. > > That is the reason for the huge gaps between header and paragraph in this > case. > > Also note that for anchors, you don't need to use tags, and > especially you don't need to surround text with them (and use > text-decoration:none to disable treating it as a link). > using > headertext does the trick as well, as would do: > headertext Darn! I'll clean that up and fix those links shortly - I'm just working an another page right now. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, David Nelson wrote: > Hi guys, :-) > > While you're reviewing the site design, please make adjustments to the > text sizes, notably of the titles, and maybe consider increasing the > line spacing. Space after and before the headings needs tweaking to > get an optimal layout. > > On the main SilverStripe site, take a look at the FAQs, and take a > look at the installation instructions. These pages will give you the > best sample content to look at. > > Could you guys please take action on those things for us? The site can > be live and online *before* Christmas, and the community needs that > urgently. ;-) A *big* thank you if you heed my plea. > > [1] http://www.test.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/ Might be a bad example, as there are lots of empty paragraphs in there. a paragraph just for the anchor tag, and yet another one completely empty. For example: De-Installation of a Previous Version of LibreOffice for Windows Lorem ipsum dolor [...] Note that the heading itself has the anchor, and the just below contains the same anchor, then yet again a completely empty paragraph, then follows the text. That is the reason for the huge gaps between header and paragraph in this case. Also note that for anchors, you don't need to use tags, and especially you don't need to surround text with them (and use text-decoration:none to disable treating it as a link). using headertext does the trick as well, as would do: headertext ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] kermit will be offline for a short time
Hi, our provider will change the NIC of our server in order to fix the high latency on kermit. Therefore, kermit will be offline for a short time. It will affect several OOoDeV websites, as well as the testing sites for LibreOffice. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
hi David, David Nelson schrieb: Hi Bernard, :-) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 05:06, Bernhard Dippold wrote: would you please give us an update on the roadmap? Please check the dedicated thread I have started on this subject. ;-) Thanks! I just saw it :-) And I hope that many people help you on the content of the open pages. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to look at the OpenOffice website? The product pages over there have been created (at least uploaded) by John McCreesh who probably will allow us to use them as our basis and update them. http://www.openoffice.org/product/ (I BCC'd him because I don't know if he wants to share his mail address) There should be a similar situation with other OOo content, but we must be aware of the licenses of the texts. Generally I think we don't need to duplicate all the content we already created for OpenOffice.org - and perhaps it would be worthwhile to translate some of the content already created by our native-lang teams. BTW, I have to say a big thanks to Christian for working with me with such patience and attention to detail. He's a really great team player. ;-) +1 (and more!) Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hi, :-) BTW, love and attention is needed for the left side menu. It shows sub-pages of the current page. It works OK if there is just one level of sub-pages, but breaks and looks ugly if there are 2 sub-levels below the current page. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hi Klaus, :-) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 05:17, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: > Wouldn't it be good enough to write: > > Installing LibreOffice on > Microsoft Windows I originally tried what you suggested, but if you do it that way then SilverStripe reformats it and puts a non-breaking space at the beginning of the heading, which makes the heading look improperly aligned with the margin. So I used the workaround you see. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hi David, Am 14.12.2010 21:45, schrieb David Nelson: Could you guys please take action on those things for us? The site can be live and online *before* Christmas, and the community needs that urgently. ;-) A *big* thank you if you heed my plea. [1] http://www.test.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/ Can you please tell me why you put the following content inside this page? Installing LibreOffice on Microsoft Windows Wouldn't it be good enough to write: Installing LibreOffice on Microsoft Windows Therefor the headlines wouldn't have the space as seen in [1] -- Greetings k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hi Bernard, :-) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 05:06, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > would you please give us an update on the roadmap? Please check the dedicated thread I have started on this subject. ;-) BTW, I have to say a big thanks to Christian for working with me with such patience and attention to detail. He's a really great team player. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] SilverStripe site progress review
Hi, :-) As you know, I'm currently leading the content creation on the SilverStripe site. I'm putting in hours of work everyday, and it's making great progress. I had planned that it would be ready for Tuesday, December 14, but I think it's more realistic to say that this is going to take another 3 or 4 days. But I am not going to stop work before all pages of the IA I have set up all have content. By Christmas Eve, I am determined that the site will be LIVE and visible on http://libreoffice.org. When the basic content is up on all pages, there will be a period of 24 to 48 hours maximum for you all to make suggestions and comments, after which I will act on the feedback. I will then request Florian to go ahead and roll out the live site. Right now, I am asking you to provide content for specific pages RAPIDLY within the next 48 hours (it is currently 22:00 CET on Tuesday, December 14 2010). Please take a look at http://test.libreoffice.org. There is a whole lot more content there already. There is already a page under Features, but I am asking you to submit me content by e-mail for the following sub-pages: - Writer - Draw - Impress - Draw - Base - Math - Extensions For each component, I need a rundown of the features and advantages. All content produced for these pages can later be transferred to a Drupal site, if a changeover takes place, so this is not wasted work. I am really asking you to pull together as LibreOffice team members, because the project and the community *urgently* needs this site up and running *now*. If I don't get content submitted within 48 hours, I will simply have to write it myself. *Please* do not mention Drupal issues in this thread, and please do *not* turn it into a debate. I just want to hear practical offers of help and discussions of the details thereof. No OT posts please. No matter what, I am going to make this site ready for launch in the coming days. On Christmas Eve, our present to the project and the community is going to be a live, living site. Let's work together to make that happen. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hi David, would you please give us an update on the roadmap? David Nelson schrieb: [...]The site can be live and online *before* Christmas, and the community needs that urgently. I thought it should be reviewed and commented this week and go online at the weekend. There are several points I see potential for improvement on the present structure of the upcoming website. But this can discussed when the page is online. We need *content* now - and as you asked everybody to wait until you've finished your work, nobody will be able to help you with any of the pages showing placeholder text. Please don't spend too much time on design and visual optimization. This can all be done *after* the page is online. And while you work on the content, Klaus-Jürgen is wading through the CSS. Even a suboptimal formatted website is better than the present link to the TDF pages. We will probably not have any official announcement of the new website, until we agree on it's more or less "perfect" visual style. But as you already mentioned: We need the website now. And this means: We need content! What you already did is great - I never would have been able to do so much work in this area in such a short timeframe. Thank you very much! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hi Bernhard, *, Am 14.12.2010 21:51, schrieb klaus-jürgen weghorn ol: and underlines don't work for all links at any times here (SeaMonkey 2.0.11 on Ubuntu 10.10). Oh, yes on the page mailing-list there are some, where the hover will not react as supposed. Christian, do you know why? I found it: These links are designed for special by the authors: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hi Bernhard, Am 14.12.2010 21:25, schrieb Bernhard Dippold: By the way: you write about the link colors as blue0 (blue1 underlined on hover). The present website shows the links in blue1, Yes, sorry for this mistake in the wiki, I will change it. The link color is of course blue1 and the hover is blue1 and underlined. And the header in LO1 is colored in orange1 as the branding says. and underlines don't work for all links at any times here (SeaMonkey 2.0.11 on Ubuntu 10.10). Oh, yes on the page mailing-list there are some, where the hover will not react as supposed. Christian, do you know why? "Activated links" are green1 - this works here for "visited links", leading to even more green areas on the page when you come back several times to the same page. If we stay with blue1 for normal links (just underline on hover), we could use blue0 for visited links. -- Greetings k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hi guys, :-)
While you're reviewing the site design, please make adjustments to the
text sizes, notably of the titles, and maybe consider increasing the
line spacing. Space after and before the headings needs tweaking to
get an optimal layout.
On the main SilverStripe site, take a look at the FAQs, and take a
look at the installation instructions. These pages will give you the
best sample content to look at.
Could you guys please take action on those things for us? The site can
be live and online *before* Christmas, and the community needs that
urgently. ;-) A *big* thank you if you heed my plea.
[1] http://www.test.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/
David Nelson
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 04:25, Bernhard Dippold
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Klaus-Jürgen (having worked on the CSS-design for some time) uploaded some
> alternative designs for our website:
>
> klaus-jürgen weghorn ol schrieb:
>>
>> Hallo zusammen.
>> ich habe jetzt einige Anregungen umgesetzt und entsprechende Screenshots
>> gemacht:
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/CSS
>
> He asks for comments and proposals (or just agreement ;-)
>>
>> Vielleicht mal darüber schauen und Anregungen und Kommentare machen.
>
> Here are mine:
>
> The Logo could have the same distance from the left to the upper border, but
> it shouldn't move the navigation area. It can be positioned nearer to this
> area.
>
> In my eyes the upper navigation doesn't need the green subline - Christoph's
> proposal (in LO2 and LO3) looks fine to me.
>
> Together with the shading in the heading area it looks fresher and lighter.
>
> If we remove the green line, the headline in the upper right corner can stay
> green, especially as the present website
> http://test.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
> shows a larger font as in your screenshot (File:Website-LO6), providing a
> better weight between right and left.
> Moving down might be ok, but not to the bottom of the logo, because of the
> whitespace inside the logo.
> I'd move it to the bottom line of the logo text ("The Document Foundation"),
> perhaps in a slightly larger font - don't know how it looks like, but I
> could imagine the upper border of the headline at the same height as the
> bottom line of "LibreOffice".
>
> For the background:
> Could you try to stay with grey (as in LO2), but replace the green
> corners with white ones?
> This might lighten the upper left corner while having a consistent
> background of the upper border throughout the entire page.
>
> So I'd vote for LO2
> (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Website-LO2.PNG) with slight
> modifications:
> - green headline in the upper right corner not so far moved down
> - white instead of green triangles in the corners
>
> By the way: you write about the link colors as blue0 (blue1 underlined on
> hover). The present website shows the links in blue1, and underlines don't
> work for all links at any times here (SeaMonkey 2.0.11 on Ubuntu 10.10).
> "Activated links" are green1 - this works here for "visited links", leading
> to even more green areas on the page when you come back several times to the
> same page.
>
> If we stay with blue1 for normal links (just underline on hover), we could
> use blue0 for visited links.
>
> That's all for the moment (and only my personal opinion - every different or
> opposing comment welcome).
>
> Hope it helps...
>
> Best
>
> Bernhard
>
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: wiki todos
Hi Marc, Marc Paré wrote on 2010-12-14 21.15: Just to clarify Florian, page deletions by page owners only right? Or are you talking about admins only? by anyone - IMHO, there is no page "owner", but right now, only admins can delete a page. I guess there was some tag one can add to notify admins of "this page has to be deleted" - at least that's how other wikis do it. :) Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] wiki todos
Hi Florian, * one comment on the image license: Florian Effenberger schrieb: [...] * the image license should be the CC license by default; I only managed to add it to the list, but can't set it as default As we work on content to be included in the product in our wiki, I've been thinking about adding a second license to the wiki upload: LGPL. So the contributor can choose between: - CC - LGPL - CC & LGPL double license (I'd prefer as default) What do you think? Would this be a question for the SC? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hi all,
Klaus-Jürgen (having worked on the CSS-design for some time) uploaded
some alternative designs for our website:
klaus-jürgen weghorn ol schrieb:
Hallo zusammen.
ich habe jetzt einige Anregungen umgesetzt und entsprechende Screenshots
gemacht:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/CSS
He asks for comments and proposals (or just agreement ;-)
Vielleicht mal darüber schauen und Anregungen und Kommentare machen.
Here are mine:
The Logo could have the same distance from the left to the upper border,
but it shouldn't move the navigation area. It can be positioned nearer
to this area.
In my eyes the upper navigation doesn't need the green subline -
Christoph's proposal (in LO2 and LO3) looks fine to me.
Together with the shading in the heading area it looks fresher and lighter.
If we remove the green line, the headline in the upper right corner can
stay green, especially as the present website
http://test.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
shows a larger font as in your screenshot (File:Website-LO6), providing
a better weight between right and left.
Moving down might be ok, but not to the bottom of the logo, because of
the whitespace inside the logo.
I'd move it to the bottom line of the logo text ("The Document
Foundation"), perhaps in a slightly larger font - don't know how it
looks like, but I could imagine the upper border of the headline at the
same height as the bottom line of "LibreOffice".
For the background:
Could you try to stay with grey (as in LO2), but replace the green
corners with white ones?
This might lighten the upper left corner while having a consistent
background of the upper border throughout the entire page.
So I'd vote for LO2
(http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Website-LO2.PNG) with slight
modifications:
- green headline in the upper right corner not so far moved down
- white instead of green triangles in the corners
By the way: you write about the link colors as blue0 (blue1 underlined
on hover). The present website shows the links in blue1, and underlines
don't work for all links at any times here (SeaMonkey 2.0.11 on Ubuntu
10.10). "Activated links" are green1 - this works here for "visited
links", leading to even more green areas on the page when you come back
several times to the same page.
If we stay with blue1 for normal links (just underline on hover), we
could use blue0 for visited links.
That's all for the moment (and only my personal opinion - every
different or opposing comment welcome).
Hope it helps...
Best
Bernhard
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[libreoffice-website] Re: wiki todos
Le 2010-12-14 14:11, Florian Effenberger a écrit : * we need a mechanism for page deletion for normal users; I recall something like a speedy deletion tag that some wikis use and administrators can then delete the pages from time to time Just to clarify Florian, page deletions by page owners only right? Or are you talking about admins only? Thanks, Florian Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] wiki todos
Hi, I'm just going through my todos, and the following tasks/bugs are in the wiki - can someone have a look? * ImageMagick doesn't seem to work with thumbnails of SVG images * the image license should be the CC license by default; I only managed to add it to the list, but can't set it as default * we need a mechanism for page deletion for normal users; I recall something like a speedy deletion tag that some wikis use and administrators can then delete the pages from time to time * with (a German) Safari browser, the wiki is per default in English (see lower left navigation bar texts) Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi Narayan, On 14/12/2010 19:52, Narayan Aras wrote: Hi Sophie, What is wrong in using a new powerful tool that gives many more facilities compared to the old tool? nothing at all, provided every body has the same access the old one provided. Of course, I am not suggesting that users should be forced to use a tool that does not fit their needs. a small difference here, it's not users but contributors, just a small difference Why don't we try out a small pilot project and get the early user feedback, and see what happens? :) again, it's not users but contributors, still different but why not, let see who will duplicate the efforts and resources. A major factor in favor of trying new technologies is, we don't have old legacy data; so there are no worries about losing data because of non-compatibility. we have a lot of legacy data, so this is very important to take them in consideration. This is an important knowledge base. Note that LibO itself has a major paradigm shift vis-a-vis OOo: 1. It will have a new design paradigm (feature vs content) 2. it will have new interfaces I don't understand what you're saying here, what is this new design and new interfaces? Could you give some link to that? So why is it that we want a paradigm shift in LibO design; but not for the help community? still I don't understand A case in point is this thread itself. It started when I wanted to know if Drupal is going to be adopted. I never got my answer. I give one and ask some questions, may be you don't read it or do not want to answer. And seems I'm still an SC member ;-) But we have since then covered a lot of other inter-related ideas. Now a mail chain is the least efficient tool for such conceptual discussion. * We cannot reach any conclusion. * A latecomer cannot read it and understand what is happening. Sorry, I can't easily access web content, that is why I'm stuck with mailing lists. See, this is the second power outage until I begin this mail, funny isn't it :) A concept map (or an argument map) are the best tool for conceptual discussion. Both can be collaboratively plotted in Drupal. I'm use to conceptual map on papers, sorry not easy to put on Drupal I fear ;-), but yes I work quite often with them, useful tool, that's true. People can argue for and against any idea, and it actually reaches a conclusion. It is used by NASA for taking mission-critical decisions. So why should we still use mail lists for the same purpose? Just because we have that old habit? Ah, I didn't often meet NASA people, even if there is mission critical decision to take here ;-) So using mailing list is not an old habit, I would love to use other funny things like forum and online tools, it's just the only way to communicate and participate I have :-) sorry to bother you with poor but expensive connexion consideration, it seems however we are the major part of the world in this situation. Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi Sophie, What is wrong in using a new powerful tool that gives many more facilities compared to the old tool? Of course, I am not suggesting that users should be forced to use a tool that does not fit their needs. Why don't we try out a small pilot project and get the early user feedback, and see what happens? :) A major factor in favor of trying new technologies is, we don't have old legacy data; so there are no worries about losing data because of non-compatibility. Note that LibO itself has a major paradigm shift vis-a-vis OOo: 1. It will have a new design paradigm (feature vs content) 2. it will have new interfaces So why is it that we want a paradigm shift in LibO design; but not for the help community? A case in point is this thread itself. It started when I wanted to know if Drupal is going to be adopted. I never got my answer. But we have since then covered a lot of other inter-related ideas. Now a mail chain is the least efficient tool for such conceptual discussion. * We cannot reach any conclusion. * A latecomer cannot read it and understand what is happening. A concept map (or an argument map) are the best tool for conceptual discussion. Both can be collaboratively plotted in Drupal. People can argue for and against any idea, and it actually reaches a conclusion. It is used by NASA for taking mission-critical decisions. So why should we still use mail lists for the same purpose? Just because we have that old habit? -Narayan -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi Michael, On 14/12/2010 08:49, Michael Wheatland wrote: On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote: There is already forum that exist and they use phpBB technology for some or may be most of them. Drew has the knowledge here. For the French speaking one, it will be linked on our support page once the final version is announced because the admins and moderators don't want to provide supports on dev versions. I don't know if they have been asked, but I'm not really sure they will accept to migrate on a Drupal tool when they seems very happy with the technology they are currently using (and they have choose). There might be also an issue on migrating the existing database, not sure it's worth the cost. There is a clear benefit of having a forum, as there are clearly a lot of people who prefer not to use mailing lists. Yes, of corse, this is why they already exists in several languages. Again this community is not born yesterday and has already settled several ways of work and support for their users. Did you already visit the different forums in the Italian, German, Japanese,... language projects? Have a look and ask you the question what should they change their tool, what will that bring to the community? I would suggest that deliberately separating a language team from the main community is counter productive to one of the reasons that LibreOffice was formed, to unite the community across all languages. It is how our community works and has always work. Why again should you tell people how they have to work, when they are already organized and it has proven that it was the way to go for them. LibreOffice was created to solve a governance issue, not a tool issue. A tool is not a community. When the Drupal site has been created I am sure the French speaking team can make the assessment, and if decided so, migration from phpBB to Drupal is quite simple. That will be to each language forum to choose what they want. Even though they chose to stay with the tool they are use to, they still will be part of the community. And we are not going to duplicate the resources by settling different tools to serve the same purpose. Please again consider that this community exists since several years, is organized, structured, used to work together. The tool is not the community. So don't force them to use a tool if they don't want to, don't force them to comply to a structure that do not speaks to their language or their culture. We are not all on the same model, we are not the Mozilla, the Ubuntu community or the Gnome one. We have a 10 years story behind us, let us build on this, not start again as if nothing has been done. Look what happened the last week-end, how many languages have been updated by their team, isn't it a very beautiful community working together with the developers? I hope you understand my point and don't get it against your work or Drupal. Again it is very important that every body is assured that there is no obligation for them to comply to a tool or another, it is not a matter of tool, but a matter of work that has to be done to build a product and its project. For that we need tools that's true, but if they are already existent, used, etc, they should not be changed. Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice does *not* integrate Adobe Software :-)
Hi, 2010/12/14 Stefan Weigel : > http://www.test.libreoffice.org/features/> > LibreOffice also comes configured with an Adobe Acrobat PDF file creator > > > This could be understood as if LibreOffice would integrate some > software from Adobe, which is not true - AFAIK. > And we must not use the Adobe Logo there, but link to http://pdfreaders.org/ Volker -- ++ Volker Merschmann - ODF-Software Contributor -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice does *not* integrate Adobe Software :-)
Hi, :-) OK, will rectify. Thanks. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] LibreOffice does *not* integrate Adobe Software :-)
Hi, just two little remarks: http://www.test.libreoffice.org/features/> BASE is the database engine of the LibreOffice suite. Base is *not* a database engine. It´s a database frontend. http://www.test.libreoffice.org/features/> LibreOffice also comes configured with an Adobe Acrobat PDF file creator This could be understood as if LibreOffice would integrate some software from Adobe, which is not true - AFAIK. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] TODO #1 Fix SilverStripe site footer
Hi David, Cloph, On 14/12/2010 02:51, David Nelson wrote: Hi Christian, :-) I have made the "Legal Info" page a redirector page, and I have also forwarded your message to Sophie so that she can inform the NL site teams accordingly. Thank you David. I'll send a headup to the NL teams once we have finished the work with 3.3 and will try to get more of them on the site. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
