Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: The Document Foundation Wiki page Main Page has been changed by aggressive

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Thank you Sophie.

Karl-Heinz

> In fact it's a template that we add to the page, not a category, under
> the form of {{Delete|Reason}} where reason will give an indication of
> why you request the deletion.
> For more information see:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Delete
>
> Kind regards
> Sophie


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: The Document Foundation Wiki page Main Page has been changed by aggressive

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Hi Sophie,

Am 01.04.2011 07:54, schrieb Sophie Gautier:
>
> There is always a chance that I miss a page, so don't hesitate to
> delete the content and add the delete category to the page with spam
> as explanation for the deletion, so we will be sure that it is removed.
>
> Kind regards
> Sophie

as I am a beginner on wikis I don't know how to add this delete
category. Where can I find information about that?

best regards
Karl-Heinz

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Previous versions of LibreOffice, where?

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Hi Friedrich,

Am 28.03.2011 12:59, schrieb Friedrich Strohmaier:
> browse http://download.documentfoundation.org/
> look for "old". :o))
>
>
> Gruß/regards
Thank you.
Danke

Karl-Heinz

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Previous versions of LibreOffice, where?

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Am 28.03.2011 09:12, schrieb Rimas Kudelis:
>
> You're missing the fact that 3.3 was the first version of LibreOffice
> to be released. :) If you want older versions, you get to check
> OpenOffice.org out.
>
> Regards,
> Rimas Kudelis
>
by the was and hijacking this thread,

where can I find the old 3.3.0 and 3.3.1 versions

*.deb and for Win ?

Regards
Karl-Heinz

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[libreoffice-website] multilingual

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Hello,

I found on the challenge website:

"Available translations of this page: French, German, Greek, Portuguese
(Brazil), Russian, Spanish"

Its a kind of amusing to see I have to know German means deutsch, French
means francaise(?) and for all a Greek person has to know their
langugename in Latin letters instead of Greek letters same as a Russian
person has to know the latin translation for his Cyrillic letters. This
also applies to all Arabic, Indian, Chinese, and Japanese people (and
many others I forgot or even don't know).

Is it possible to create for each language the corespondent text in its
original letters and include these into the Site?

Greetings
Karl-Heinz




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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Am 14.02.2011 12:12, schrieb Italo Vignoli:
> UK gets many US articles re-published on US web sites. Communities in
> other geographies are already better organized than in the US, with
> the exception of the Spanish community, which is a mess for the same
> reason (one single community for a language like Spanish does not make
> sense, as a single community for a language like English).
>
> Marketing in the US brings in visibility in other markets, but not
> vice versa, and therefore is a priority. Marketing in other
> geographies is easier, also because the US are the home market for
> Microsoft.
>
> I hope this explains the issue. In any case, I think that for the
> first few months we should have as many informations as these ones -
> helping newcomers to understand where they should go - on the web site.
>
> Many users have never heard about wikis, and will never look for infos
> inside a wiki.
>
Again an order of a member of the SC is going to be realized without
previous discussion on the appropriate place?


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Am 14.02.2011 12:23, schrieb David Nelson:
> Hi, :-)
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 19:11, Volker Merschmann  wrote:
>> NL-sites are listed at http://www.libreoffice.org/international-sites/
> We English speakers are second-class citizens then? I'm outta here. :-D
>
> David Nelson
>
No David not second class at all but first class as all the other
communities.

But you got the advantage/benefit not to have to translate all the pages
from the international site to satisfy your NL-Users.


Karl-Heinz

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Hi Marc, Drew, David, @all,

Am 14.02.2011 12:06, schrieb David Nelson:
> Hi, :-)
>
> Well, this *is* the English NL site, so I didn't see a problem myself.
> Have a discussion about it, guys, and then one of you mail me a
> heads-up when you all took a decision, and I'll make any necessary
> change So, Marc? Drew? NL English speakers?
>
> David Nelson
>
This is *not* the English NL site.

This is the *_Inter_national* site.

This is the difference, some people are trying to tell here since a long
time.

Therefore is a national marketing in each region, to be coordinated on
an international list.

And USA is not better or more important than any other region, so it has
to be named on the international site and others not.

Cheers
Karl-Heinz





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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Am 14.02.2011 04:59, schrieb David Nelson:
> Hi Marc, :-)
>
> Does this look OK?
>
> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/marketers/
>
> David Nelson
>
-1

Karl-Heinz

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Am 14.02.2011 04:39, schrieb Marc Paré:
> Le 2011-02-13 19:51, David Nelson a écrit :
>> Hi Marc, Drew, :-)
>>
>> All the global lists are on the website, and all the local/regional
>> lists are on the wiki because that list tends to be updated more
>> often.
>>
>> David Nelson
>>
>
> Hmmm, if we are looking for members to join the US marketing team,
> which is one of the top priorities of the TDF and Italo, I don't think
> that leaving it off the website is a good idea. It adds confusion when
> they join the marketing team only to find that they should have joined
> the US marketing team. Can we have it show at least in the Marketing
> page of the LibreOffice website? We are only about 15 members
> servicing close to 300 million potential users. We really need to make
> it easy for US and Canadian users to join the team if we are going to
> make any headway.
>
> Cheers
>
> Marc
>
>
With this argument I think it would be better to link to the chinese
marketing project there are at least 1,500 million potential users.

Regards
Karl-Heinz

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Re: [libreoffice-website] disabled wiki new user registration

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Am 09.02.2011 13:06, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
> Hi,
>
> until we sorted out how to deal with the spam problems, I've disabled
> wiki new user registration.
>
> Admins still can create accounts for others, if they login with their
> account and then open up
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup
>
> Florian
>
so we should inform potentialy interested people on the registration
page to get an account by asking the admins. or by participating in this
maillist.

Karl-Heinz

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Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Hi,


Am 06.02.2011 14:28, schrieb drew:
> On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 14:13 +0100, Volker Merschmann wrote:
>> I made a dig in my mailarchive and found at that at OOo reCaptcha is
>> used in combination with a Bad-behaviour-script
>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Bad_Behavior 
> Excellent - I was just abut to send an email to Clayton to ask.
>
> I agree with Sophie that these Captcha can be a pain, but unfortunately
> there is really no way around it, 
for this, we should *explain* this on the page with the captch if
possible, to show people we are interested in their support/backup but
we need to save us from spam. then everyone could accept it.

Karl-Heinz

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Re: [libreoffice-website] renaming list archives with RegExp

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Nino Novak schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> On Tuesday 01 February 2011 16:44, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>
>   
>> on http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists
>> 
>
> done
>
> please have a look if the result is correct :)
>
> (I had a first run but pasted the wrong editor window, so only the 
> second run should show desired results [1])
>
>
>   
>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/#lists
>> 
>
> sorry, no access :(
>
> Nino
>
> [1]
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Local_Mailing_Lists&action=historysubmit&diff=11914&oldid=11912
>
>
>   
Thanks Nino, for doing my work on the wiki without informing me.

So you can do the part on contribution/#lists also by your own



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Re: [libreoffice-website] renaming list archives with RegExp

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Florian Effenberger schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> on http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists and
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/#lists we still have
> the old URLs for the list archives.
on the wiki I got access, so I could do it.

for documentfoundation.org I would need an account.
>
> Someone with RegExp experience (or lots of time ;-) wants to work on
> the pages, so we can change the URLs?
>
> de.libreoffice.org/lists/announce is now
> listarchives.libreoffice.org/de/announce
>
> www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss is now
> listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss
why for Documentfoundation it refers to www instead of global?
>
> and so on...
>
> Thanks,
> Florian
>


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Re: [libreoffice-website] A suggestion

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Nino Novak schrieb:
> All,
>
> Somehow I feel the urge to put my 2 cents here, sorry...
>
> On Wednesday 26 January 2011 16:00, Karl-Heinz Gödderz wrote:
>
>   
>> Why can't both send their drafts to this list so we can decide as a
>> team, how to get the best of both?
>> 
>
> Maybe it's not about the decision itself but about the process? Or even 
> more subtile things? 
>   
could be both.

but in the followig text you say the old is always the better.
and that is not what I think is true.

I think Sophie has her experiences in nativ language support. David is a
newbie in this.
But he can possibly give the look(?) of a person who is not so familiar
with the subject, and gives a more "naive"(?) point of view to the theme(?).

As in the past when I entered OOo there were so much information and
sometimes so bone-crushing(?) with insider-knowing I couldnt understand
what was said.

Therefore I think we should get the drafts of both to see. As in another
mail of this thread was said, possily make two pages, one for beginners
who want to join the project and another for people who select
NL-support as their special place.

Karl-Heinz

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Localization page on the site

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

if I remember correct, David was made responsible for the pages o the
other hand Sophie did very much localizing.

but if they change the page-text permanently noone knows what page
actually is from whom.

Why can't both send their drafts to this list so we can decide as a
team, how to get the best of both?

Karl-Heinz

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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Hi Michael,
> I will update the wiki page with the date and time.
> David, as we discussed, could you please organise the conf call
> resource with access codes etc and post to the wiki.
>   
can you give the address of the page please?

Karl-Heinz


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Re: [libreoffice-website] relocating mailing lists at libreoffice.org?

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Bernhard Dippold schrieb:
> Following the mailing list list [1] this would mean:
>
> l...@libreoffice.org -> l...@global.libreoffice.org
> us...@libreoffice.org -> us...@global.libreoffice.org
> website@libreoffice.org -> webs...@global.libreoffice.org
> documentat...@libreoffice.org -> documentat...@global.libreoffice.org
> market...@libreoffice.org -> market...@global.libreoffice.org
> des...@libreoffice.org -> des...@global.libreoffice.org
> accessibil...@libreoffice.org -> accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org
>
> Perhaps this chance might be used to move the LibreOffice related
> disc...@documentfoundation.org list to @libreoffice.org too?
>
> disc...@documentfoundation.org -> disc...@global.libreoffice.org
> (and leave discuss@TDF to discussions about the foundation)
>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
>
>
+1
I would prefer "global". "main" gives a hierarchically impression to me.

Karl-Heinz


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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Hi David,  ;-)

David Nelson schrieb:
> Hi, :-)
>
> Micheal and I (or whoever else is appointed to leadership/coordination
> roles) will certainly liaise closely and regularly with the SC during
> SC confcalls, so that there are *no* communications failures.
>
> David Nelson
>
>   
I didn't think about communication failures but about attitudes/mindsets.

Karl-Heinz

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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Michael Wheatland schrieb:
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Charles Marcus
> wrote:
>
>   
>> On 2011-01-19 4:42 AM, Michael Wheatland wrote:
>> 
>>> I encourage all of those involved with the website team to vote and
>>>   
>> attend
>> 
>>> the meeting.
>>> It is time we stood up, took ownership of the tools we are responsible
>>>   
>> for
>> 
>>> and elected our own leaders who represent the website team as a whole.
>>>   
>> Just to be clear... this is not open to simple interested parties/LibO
>> users, correct? If so I'm ok with it, just confirming...
>>
>> 
>
> The Conference call is open to all people who are interested in active
> participation to the website team.
> This conference call, being the inaugural one, will likely cover a whole
> range of topics but mostly internal to the website team.
>
> I am sure there will be no decisions made that impact the wider community
> without consultation after this inaugural conference call, but interested
> parties are always welcome to attend, even if to just listen in.
> The conversations I have had with David Nelson lean more towards discussing
> website coordination and leadership, as well as clarifying the roles,
> responsibilities and infrastructure that the team is responsible for.
>
> Might I suggest we try to keep the agenda pretty light on, this way we can
> get the structure and coordination of the team right before diving into
> development again.
> Please, if you feel you can sustain a contribution to the website team, or
> maybe can give advice on the website team structure and nominations for
> leadership roles, please attend.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael Wheatland
>
>   
Did you ask the SC if they are interested in such a discussion, or if
they ever would agree to an outcome different from their last statement?

otherwise you do work again for nothing.

just my 2 cent
Karl-Heinz

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Re: RE : RE: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Narayan Aras schrieb:
> Dear Charles,
>
>   
>> Dear Narayan,
>>
>> I would advise you read the minutes of the latest steerinh committee.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charles.
>> 
>
>   

> The "statement" from SC reads like a commandment; to be followed by the 
> faithful.
>
> Are we reduced (already) to a cult where the high priests decide everything?
> 
>   
I fear you are right with this. This is my perception too. The same
seems to be in the discussion on  maillist vs. forum,  someone in the
clique of SC tells: no, not with me and it isn't done.

I hope the SC can clarify this point and correct me.

Else we would have left OOo because of a "dictatorial" behavior of
Oracle, to get that behavior from the SC.
(Out of the frying pan into the fire?)


Regards
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Refering to Mailinglists

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Hi Klaus-Jürgen,
klaus-jürgen weghorn ol schrieb:
> Hi Karl-Heinz,
>
>>
>> Wasn't there a special proceeding planned for mailing lists? like the
>> information: "*** All posts to this list are publicly archived for
>> eternity ***" at the end of each message?
>>
>> How should/could this be established?
>>
>
> I don't understand your purpose with the second part. There is special
> information on your E-Mail.
> And on disc...@de.libreoffice.org it is:
> 
> Informationen zur Abmeldung: E-Mail an discuss+h...@de.libreoffice.org
> Listenarchiv: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/de/discuss/
> Alle E-Mails an diese Liste werden unlöschbar öffentlich archiviert
> 
>
I thought on this list there was a discussion about mailing list. And
one result of this discussion was the text I mentioned and you refered 
to and this point was realized. I should have marked that text as
example, sorry.

Now I asked about the other proposal, to give this information to
potentially subscribers before they subscribe or send a message to the
lists, how this is/should be/could be established.

Karl-Heinz

PS: English isn't my native language so sometimes it's not easy to find
the right words ;-)



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[libreoffice-website] Refering to Mailinglists

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Hi,

I followed Nino Novak's mail "3rd level menu entries gone under new libo theme"
and found that on 
http://de.libreoffice.org/anwender

there is a bare "mailto:"; to a german LibO-list but if you are not subscribed 
to that list it is hard to get an answer.
 
Wasn't there a special proceeding planned for mailing lists? like the 
information: "*** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity 
***" at the end of each message?

How should/could this be established?

Karl-Heinz


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Re: [libreoffice-website] website - user support - forums

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

drew schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> OK - one specific question.
>
> User forums?
>
> Do we want a forum located within the LibreOffice domain?
>
> If so, I would suggest we setup a separate VM for a forum and integrate
> it into the CMS system(s) vs the built in forum modules. 
>
> Thanks
>
> Drew
>
>
>   
there is a forum in drupal at: http://www.libreofficeforum.org/
can this be integrated?

regards
Karl-Heinz

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Drupal test site -- Proof of concept

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Michael Wheatland schrieb:
> Currently there is not much more a registered user can do, but for
> those who are interested I created a dummy account-
> Username: user
> Password: user
>   
Hi,
it worked. what rights are given to user? can you install second user
with (restricted) adminrights?
in this state user can see all revisions of a page. is this wanted? as a
mere user I would like to see only the up-to-date version or am I wrong
with this?

best regards

Karl-Heinz

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Mailing lists

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Hi,

Michael Wheatland schrieb:
> Maybe we can setup some kind of integration between the forums and the
> mailing lists. Drupal, there's a module for that. (Notifications and
> Reply by email)

Michael,

on another list I read about a mailing list/forum system

- one could join the forum by signing in with a chosen ID and a Password.
- when you first sent a message to the list, it made an ID from the
senders emailadress

- each message was stored  like a forums post under the corresponding
thread(>Header<) in the sub forum(>Listname<)
- each forum post was sent as an email.

and users could choose if they wanted a specific list to use as forum or
a mailing list

even the mailinglistusers could use the forum by asking a password for
their generated ID


can this be realised by Drupal?

so each one can use the same Information in the way she/he likes most.

just a thought

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Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

[Karl-Heinz Gödderz]

Andrea Pescetti schrieb:
> Sophie Gautier wrote:
>   
>> Just to point that we need to handle i18n and l10n easily also, this
>> is important to think this multilanguage way till the beginning.
>> 
>
> Then I'll have to ask again what you mean by this!
>
> 1) Having translatable pages (meaning: an English about page at
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/about.html and its French translation
> at http://www.documentfoundation.org/about.fr.html or equivalent)
>
> 2) Having localized websites, with independent structure but same login
> (similar to how CollabNet is working now for OpenOffice.org)
>
> 3) Having both (not acceptable from my point of view, too confusing)
>   
Why allways take the en-version as a global?

Why not have a www-version with the xxx-en.html, xxx-fr.html and
xxx-it.html with
maybe fallback to xxx-en.html or xxx-fr.html if the en-version does not
exist.

and beside this the NL-structures as the NL-communities decide themselfes?

> Work on a multilingual site cannot start before deciding on this.
>
>   
+1

Karl-Heinz

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