Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-02-04 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 04/02/2011 07:32, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> Hi *,
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Ivan M.  wrote:
>> I've emailed a (quick) fix to Christian to take care of this issue.
>> The reason behind this is probably largely due to the variability in
>> the default sans-serif font across operating systems and even browsers
>> (e.g. Firefox vs Chrome yields significant differences for me).
> I took a different approach, not letting it float but use display:
> inline-block instead and whitespace: nowrap instead (+a few tweaks for
> IE6/7)
>
> more info:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/website@libreoffice.org/msg03145.html
>
> ciao
> Christian
>
Hi Christian,

Now it is perfect for me (minimal font size 15 in FF) !

Many thanks for your work.

Best regards
JBF

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-02-03 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *,

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Ivan M.  wrote:
>
> I've emailed a (quick) fix to Christian to take care of this issue.
> The reason behind this is probably largely due to the variability in
> the default sans-serif font across operating systems and even browsers
> (e.g. Firefox vs Chrome yields significant differences for me).

I took a different approach, not letting it float but use display:
inline-block instead and whitespace: nowrap instead (+a few tweaks for
IE6/7)

more info:
http://www.mail-archive.com/website@libreoffice.org/msg03145.html

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-30 Thread Rimas Kudelis

Hi,

2011.01.30 10:03, Ivan M. rašė:

Hi Jean-Baptiste, all,

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure
  wrote:

[...]
I see on David's screencopy that the size of the font for "Home of the
LibreOffice Productivity Suite" in the header is bigger than on my own
screencopy. I do not understand why.

Sure you didn't apply a zoom factor in addition? Even with a font-size
of 17pt the (top) navbar still fits here..

Yes, no zoom.

Did you try ctrl + 0 (zero) to be sure? just curious... cause I trapped
myself shortly thinking the same...  ;-)

Yes, I did ctrl+0 and checked with and without "zoom text only".
Same problem with last beta of FF4

I've emailed a (quick) fix to Christian to take care of this issue.
The reason behind this is probably largely due to the variability in
the default sans-serif font across operating systems and even browsers
(e.g. Firefox vs Chrome yields significant differences for me).


I'm not sure if it's directly related, but I find it a bit unpractical 
that LibO website sets base font size (on body) using percent as units. 
While I've done that myself in the past, I now think that this approach 
is indeed illogical, because it depends on the browser's default font 
size, which, in turn, not only varies between browsers, but also is 
configurable by the user (though I guess it's most often not touched by 
them). So what we're saying in our CSS is "whatever the default font 
size you're using, you have to decrease it by 12%".


If you're using Linux, try opening the website with Epiphany – it's 
perhaps the only browser that sets indeed sane default font size, 
whereas the default font size in both Firefox and IE is very big 
compared to the font size in any application's UI. What you'll see in 
Epiphany, is that most of the text on our website will become 
unreasonably small for no reason.


My suggestion is to specify the font size in pixels for the body 
element, and only use relative units for its descendants, if needed. 
While it used to be suggested as inaccessible, in today's reality, it 
will work much better than what we're doing now. All popular browsers 
can zoom in nowadays, so those who have sight problems, can easily zoom 
in the whole website, instead of just increasing font sizes. As for 
mobile devices, their browsers are really well used to dealing with 
this, so it shouldn't be a bigger problem than it is now. After all, our 
website uses 900px for its width, which wouldn't fit into most mobile 
devices anyway.


Regards,
Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-30 Thread Ivan M.
Hi Jean-Baptiste, all,

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure
 wrote:
> [...]
> I see on David's screencopy that the size of the font for "Home of the
> LibreOffice Productivity Suite" in the header is bigger than on my own
> screencopy. I do not understand why.
 Sure you didn't apply a zoom factor in addition? Even with a font-size
 of 17pt the (top) navbar still fits here..
>>> Yes, no zoom.
>> Did you try ctrl + 0 (zero) to be sure? just curious... cause I trapped
>> myself shortly thinking the same...  ;-)
> Yes, I did ctrl+0 and checked with and without "zoom text only".
> Same problem with last beta of FF4

I've emailed a (quick) fix to Christian to take care of this issue.
The reason behind this is probably largely due to the variability in
the default sans-serif font across operating systems and even browsers
(e.g. Firefox vs Chrome yields significant differences for me).

Regards,
Ivan.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 29/01/2011 23:29, Erich Christian a écrit :
> Hi Jean-Baptiste, *
>
> Am 29.01.2011 22:49, schrieb Jean-Baptiste Faure:
>> Le 29/01/2011 21:30, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
 In Firefox 3.6 under Ubuntu I need to fix a minimal fontsize at 15 pt in
 order to obtain characters not too small.
>>> Well - 15 pt as minimum fontsize is really, really big.
>> The number is big, not the actual character size. :-)
> :-) I use 16 as standard - and have to go up to 20pt to split the menu.
> (same Firefox with Win Vista)
Strange.
I see on David's screencopy that the size of the font for "Home of the
LibreOffice Productivity Suite" in the header is bigger than on my own
screencopy. I do not understand why.
>>> Sure you didn't apply a zoom factor in addition? Even with a font-size
>>> of 17pt the (top) navbar still fits here..
>> Yes, no zoom.
> Did you try ctrl + 0 (zero) to be sure? just curious... cause I trapped
> myself shortly thinking the same...  ;-)
Yes, I did ctrl+0 and checked with and without "zoom text only".
Same problem with last beta of FF4

Best regards
JBF

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread Erich Christian
Hi Jean-Baptiste, *

Am 29.01.2011 22:49, schrieb Jean-Baptiste Faure:
> Le 29/01/2011 21:30, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
>>> In Firefox 3.6 under Ubuntu I need to fix a minimal fontsize at 15 pt in
>>> order to obtain characters not too small.
>> Well - 15 pt as minimum fontsize is really, really big.
> The number is big, not the actual character size. :-)

:-) I use 16 as standard - and have to go up to 20pt to split the menu.
(same Firefox with Win Vista)

>> Sure you didn't apply a zoom factor in addition? Even with a font-size
>> of 17pt the (top) navbar still fits here..
> Yes, no zoom.

Did you try ctrl + 0 (zero) to be sure? just curious... cause I trapped
myself shortly thinking the same...  ;-)

cheers
Erich

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 29/01/2011 21:30, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> Hi Jean-Baptiste, *,
>
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure
>  wrote:
>> In Firefox 3.6 under Ubuntu I need to fix a minimal fontsize at 15 pt in
>> order to obtain characters not too small.
> Well - 15 pt as minimum fontsize is really, really big.
The number is big, not the actual character size. :-)
> Sure you didn't apply a zoom factor in addition? Even with a font-size
> of 17pt the (top) navbar still fits here..
Yes, no zoom.
Is it possible to make the height of the second navbar function of the
number of lines?

Best regards.
JBF

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Jean-Baptiste, *,

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure
 wrote:
>
> In Firefox 3.6 under Ubuntu I need to fix a minimal fontsize at 15 pt in
> order to obtain characters not too small.

Well - 15 pt as minimum fontsize is really, really big.

Sure you didn't apply a zoom factor in addition? Even with a font-size
of 17pt the (top) navbar still fits here..

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 29/01/2011 19:29, David Nelson a écrit :
> Hi, :-)
>
> Strange. :-(
>
> It works for me...
>
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/2/29/Screenshot-Home_%C2%BB_LibreOffice_-_Mozilla_Firefox.png
>
> David Nelson
>
Hi,

And for "Get involved", is it correct ?

I obtain the same view as you with a fontsize of 14pt. But not with 15pt.

Another issue : clic Developers tab => page is correct but it is "Get
involved" tab which is selected.

JBF

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

Strange. :-(

It works for me...

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/2/29/Screenshot-Home_%C2%BB_LibreOffice_-_Mozilla_Firefox.png

David Nelson

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[libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Hi,

In Firefox 3.6 under Ubuntu I need to fix a minimal fontsize at 15 pt in
order to obtain characters not too small.
With such kind of fontsize tab titles do not fit on one line.
The result is not readable :
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Capture-LibO_TooManyTabEntries.png.

So, please, choose tab titles shorter or use less tabs

Best regards
JBF

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