Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Annabelle, *,



Annabelle Wübbelsmann  schrieb am Mo., 28. Aug. 2023,
11:09:

> Hi,
>
> on the download page
>
> https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/
>
> in the section "Operating Systems" there are two entries for Windows.
>
> 1. Windows
> 2. Windows x86_64 (Windows 7 or newer required)
>
> Shouldn't the first one named like "Windows x86 (Windows 7 or newer
> required)"?
>

Yeah, I guess we can switch that to read Windows (32bit) and Windows
(64bit)..

Ciao
Christian

>

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page new style

[Daniel A. Rodriguez]

2017-12-22 11:55 GMT-03:00 Cor Nouws :
> Hi all,
>
> People start noticing that our Dutch download page is rather oldish,
> compared to the nice new global one.
> How can we do the same version in Dutch?
> (Obvious that I didn't notice the info somewhere in my mail).
>
> Cheers,
> Cor


I'd like to know the answer too.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows wrong detected operating system

[Valter Mura]

Il 03/12/2017 00:59, Luca Daghino @ Libero ha scritto:

Il 02/12/2017 16:21, Tim-L ha scritto:



The download page for 5.4.3 is the first time it showes the wrong OS 
in the detected OS drop-down menu.


http://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

That page use to show Linux x86_64 (deb) for my laptop running Ubuntu 
16.04, when I downloaded the previous versions of LO. Now it shows 
Linux x86_64 (rpm).


I confirm this (I'm on linuxmint 18.3). The download page shows rpm for 
both 5.3.7 and 5.4.3




For me, it is correct, I'm currently on OpenSUSE and it shows rpm

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows wrong detected operating system

[Tim-L]

On 12/02/2017 06:59 PM, Luca Daghino @ Libero wrote:

Il 02/12/2017 16:21, Tim-L ha scritto:



The download page for 5.4.3 is the first time it showes the wrong OS 
in the detected OS drop-down menu.


http://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

That page use to show Linux x86_64 (deb) for my laptop running Ubuntu 
16.04, when I downloaded the previous versions of LO. Now it shows 
Linux x86_64 (rpm).


I confirm this (I'm on linuxmint 18.3). The download page shows rpm 
for both 5.3.7 and 5.4.3



I do not remember this problem when I downloaded 5.4.2 or 5.4.1.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows wrong detected operating system

[Luca Daghino @ Libero]

Il 02/12/2017 16:21, Tim-L ha scritto:



The download page for 5.4.3 is the first time it showes the wrong OS 
in the detected OS drop-down menu.


http://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

That page use to show Linux x86_64 (deb) for my laptop running Ubuntu 
16.04, when I downloaded the previous versions of LO. Now it shows 
Linux x86_64 (rpm).


I confirm this (I'm on linuxmint 18.3). The download page shows rpm for 
both 5.3.7 and 5.4.3


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download Page

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2014-06-10 13:32:

fixed the site.


thanks a lot for the fast reaction, much appreciated!

Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download Page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Florian, *,

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Florian Effenberger
 wrote:
> Hi Joel,
>
> Joel Madero wrote on 2014-06-10 01:09:
>
>> I just tried downloading the source for fresh and stable - the download
>> page comes up but it doesn't automatically start downloading - leading
>> one to think they HAVE to donate. Not sure if this is by design or a
>> problem:
>>
>> http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/multi-multi/4.1.6/en-US/libreoffice-4.1.6.2.tar.xz
>>
>> http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/multi-multi/4.2.4/en-US/libreoffice-4.2.4.2.tar.xz
>
> I can reproduce these only with your links, they seem to be a bit
> miscrafted. @Cloph: Can you have a look please? Perhaps the link creation
> for the source file is wrong.

Yep - the links were wrong - should look like:

http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/src/4.1.6/all/libreoffice-4.1.6.2.tar.xz?idx=1

fixed the site.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download Page

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Joel,

Joel Madero wrote on 2014-06-10 01:09:


I just tried downloading the source for fresh and stable - the download
page comes up but it doesn't automatically start downloading - leading
one to think they HAVE to donate. Not sure if this is by design or a
problem:


http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/multi-multi/4.1.6/en-US/libreoffice-4.1.6.2.tar.xz
http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/multi-multi/4.2.4/en-US/libreoffice-4.2.4.2.tar.xz


I can reproduce these only with your links, they seem to be a bit 
miscrafted. @Cloph: Can you have a look please? Perhaps the link 
creation for the source file is wrong.


Thanks for reporting,
Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: Make the 'stable' version more prominent?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Le 2014-04-22 09:29, Robinson Tryon a écrit :

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Charles-H. Schulz
 wrote:
I strongly advocate against it; it would only create more confusion 
and

continue into the storyline that fresh=unstable and stable=good.


Hmm.. perhaps the word "stable" is problematic in this situation. If
we call the branch with less churn 'stable,' that does imply something
about the stability of other branches that are under more active
development.


That is what I think too. While Stable gets the right message in a 
comparison with "Fresh", the second message it sends might indeed be 
that if this one's stable the other one is not.

I∕we welcome other terms, by the way. I thought about "mature"





No one puts an older software branch in front of the more recent 
branch.

Does MS Office advertise MS Office 2010? :-)


Good point, although I think our situation might be a bit different. 
Consider:


* We push updates to the LO 'stable' branch. Does Microsoft push the
same kinds of updates to Office 2010?




Absolutely, yes. They're called Service Packs.




* (I believe) we recommend our 'stable' branch for enterprise
deployment. Does Microsoft recommend Office 2010 for enterprise
deployment?


There's never been a real statement on that, despite what we have 
written here and there or rather, it's more a consequence than a true 
choice. While MS may not recommend MS Office 2010, they do suggest and 
understand (contrary to a lot of people faced with a LibreOffice 
migration) that it starts early, with a recent branch,through a pilot 
project for upgrade or migration . Just like with MS Office, LibreOffice 
gets tested, and in the interim, not only has this branch of LibreOffice 
received more recent versions (the x.x.2,3,4,5), it has also become the 
older branch. It is how it works.


Now MS may not recommend MS Office 2010, but they certainly, in 
practice, encourage enterprise deployments that come with Service Packs 
and not the most recent release. Same goes with the ongoing migration to 
Windows 7 by the way.





In some ways this might just boil down to the question of: "What's our
use case for the 'stable' branch?"


good point. From a purely analytical perspective - hence this is not a 
use case:

- less features, more patches.
Hence: more stability. That's where it becomes tricky, reminding 
everyone that:
- Fresh: same patches, more features... hence more bugs. But that's a 
fact of life, not an engineering failure.


In this sense it's right for the enterprise. And then yes, that would be 
the use case: a more "stable" as in "rock-solid" release. The rest of 
the world can use the Fresh version, and not just "early adopters". For 
goodness sake, it's an office suite, not a bleeding edge Linux distro 
;-)


Best,

Charles.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: Make the 'stable' version more prominent?

[Robinson Tryon]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Charles-H. Schulz
 wrote:
> I strongly advocate against it; it would only create more confusion and
> continue into the storyline that fresh=unstable and stable=good.

Hmm.. perhaps the word "stable" is problematic in this situation. If
we call the branch with less churn 'stable,' that does imply something
about the stability of other branches that are under more active
development.

>
> No one puts an older software branch in front of the more recent branch.
> Does MS Office advertise MS Office 2010? :-)

Good point, although I think our situation might be a bit different. Consider:

* We push updates to the LO 'stable' branch. Does Microsoft push the
same kinds of updates to Office 2010?

* (I believe) we recommend our 'stable' branch for enterprise
deployment. Does Microsoft recommend Office 2010 for enterprise
deployment?

In some ways this might just boil down to the question of: "What's our
use case for the 'stable' branch?"

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: Make the 'stable' version more prominent?

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 21/04/2014 22:56, Robinson Tryon a écrit :
> Hiya,
> 
> During discussion on the QA call today, the topic of the download page
> came up. We link to the 'Fresh' page from the front-page of
> libreoffice.org, and while we do provide a link from the Fresh page to
> the Stable version, said link is pretty small.
> 
> Thoughts on making the link to the Stable version more prominent?  (We
> generally promote the Fresh version more heavily, but I do have many
> users ask me about the Stable version)

My proposition:
1/ on the home page, have 2 buttons "Download fresh version" and
"Download stable version". The buttons could be colored differently.
2/ on each download page, have a link "Fresh/Stable version: what does
mean" to a page where the difference is explained. This link should be
in front of the title LibreOffice Fresh / Stable, above "Main installer".

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: Make the 'stable' version more prominent?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

I strongly advocate against it; it would only create more confusion and 
continue into the storyline that fresh=unstable and stable=good. 

No one puts an older software branch in front of the more recent branch. Does 
MS Office advertise MS Office 2010? :-)

Best, 
Charles. 

On 21 avril 2014 22:56:07 CEST, Robinson Tryon  
wrote:
>Hiya,
>
>During discussion on the QA call today, the topic of the download page
>came up. We link to the 'Fresh' page from the front-page of
>libreoffice.org, and while we do provide a link from the Fresh page to
>the Stable version, said link is pretty small.
>
>Thoughts on making the link to the Stable version more prominent?  (We
>generally promote the Fresh version more heavily, but I do have many
>users ask me about the Stable version)
>
>Thanks,
>--R
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: Make the 'stable' version more prominent?

[elcico2001 एल्चिको]

Il 21/04/2014 22:56, Robinson Tryon ha scritto:

Hiya,

During discussion on the QA call today, the topic of the download page
came up. We link to the 'Fresh' page from the front-page of
libreoffice.org, and while we do provide a link from the Fresh page to
the Stable version, said link is pretty small.

Thoughts on making the link to the Stable version more prominent?  (We
generally promote the Fresh version more heavily, but I do have many
users ask me about the Stable version)

Thanks,
--R


Completely agree about this; I would also add a link to download archives.
Namastè all :)

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Andrew, *,

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Andrew Pullins  wrote:
>
> [...] I was wondering if someone could explain how
> you guys did our download page so I might make their page better. I know
> that it ha to do with user agents but after that I don't know what to do.

Yes, that's right. We use the browser's user-agent string to make a
guess as to what platform/OS the user might want to get.

Fairly accurate for distinguishing between Linux, Mac and Windows, a
little harder to get x86 vs x86_64 right and even harder to guess
right for rpm vs deb.

With the user-agent parsing, we classify into the following groups:
"win-x86"  => "Windows",
"mac-x86"  => "Mac OS X (Intel)",
"mac-ppc"  => "Mac OS X (PPC)",
"deb-x86"  => "Linux - deb (x86)",
"deb-x86_64"   => "Linux - deb (x86_64)",
"rpm-x86"  => "Linux - rpm (x86)",
"rpm-x86_64"   => "Linux - rpm (x86_64)"

So that's the user-interaction side. On the other hand we have the
site keep a database of the available downloads. For that we parse our
mirror's filelist using rsync and extract the corresponding metadata
from the pathnames. We end up with the following:

'Type' => 'Varchar(20)', /* box, portable, src,
stable, testing */
'Platform' => 'Varchar(10)', /* deb, rpm, win, mac,
multi (box) */
'Arch' => 'Varchar(10)', /* x86, x86_64, ppc, multi (box) */
'Version' => 'Varchar(20)', /* 3.3.0, 3.3.1-rc2,
3.3.0.4 (Sources),...*/
'Size' => 'DBFileSize',  /* varchartype not int
because of dvd-isos, larger than int-type */
'Fullpath' => 'Varchar(256)', /* redundant, but as the
scheme differs between type... */
'Filename' => 'Varchar(100)', /* redundant, but as the
scheme differs between type... */
'InstallType' => 'Varchar(20)', /* Full, Helppack,
Languagepack, SDK */
'Lang' => 'Varchar(10)', /* multi/all_lang (win),
en-US,...pt-BR,... */

WIth that it is easy to combine the two.
>From the list of downloads, we determine the versions to offer on the
dl-page (and default to the lastest) - with the version and the
guessed platform you have all you need.
For a user wanting winx86, you query the downloads for matching
Platform, version and bam, you have the matching download.

Now there are additional downloads for platforms, and the set of
available downloads differ per platfrom (helppack and languagepack or
only languagepack). This is taken care of by the html-templating
language along with the php using corresponding conditionals.

The third part of it is the related links section - this is assembled
from other pages stored in the cms by looking at the meta-tags of the
pages. You basically tag pages that show up in the related links
section by applying a meta-keyword to the desired page.

If you're interested in how it actually works, have a look at
https://github.com/tdf/cms-code (mysite/code for the php-stuff, and
mysite/templates for the template stuff) or ask more specific
follow-up questions :-)

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Hi Christian,

Le 03/07/2013 22:56, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> Hi *,
> 
> As indicated in earlier mails, the restructuring of the code for the
> download-page is almost complete. What is lacking is to make it look a
> little nicer, but the functionality I intended to add is all there.
> 

There is two things which are not clear for me:

1/ Does the new download page be a template in Silverstripe or a page
from the global (English) website? If it is a page from the global
website, the visitor may be confused by the change of the language in
the upper part of the page.

2/ If a visitor coming from the FR website clicks the download link,
does she get the FR donate page (http://donate.libreoffice.org/fr/)?


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi *,

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
 wrote:
> On 07/09/2013 01:09 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
>>  wrote:
>> [...]
>> So just pick a version that is not in the multi installer and you'll
>> get the "All" link.
>
> The clicking on "Portable" under the "Package" section - bottom left of the
> page - gives you "...Normal.paf.exe".

Should have read "pick a *language* that is not in the multi
installer" to be more clear.
Like e.g. Sanskrit: http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=sa-IN

>>> So would you want to show both Portable package options?
>>
>> Nah, there I think just showing the matching (chosen or detected)
>> language is sufficient.
>
> Are you saying if I was detected to use an African language that is
> supported by LO, that the link would then select "...All.paf.exe" ???

Yes - and that is really trivial to try out yourself...
http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=af
Afrikaans for example. Or use the Sanskrit one from above.

>> Yes - note that the staging site's download-DB is not up-to-date, so
>> it might not show all downloads that are currently available - but to
>> satisfy your example: for 3.6.6 there are both en and german isos, so
>> try with http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6 →
>> you'll get both offered.
>
>
> For 4.0.4, there is currently only the NA-DVD on the CD/DVD download page.
> I was not even thinking about 3.6.x.  Also 4.1.0 comes out at the end of the
> month, so I will be planning on making a NA-DVD out of those installs.

So what? "note that the staging site's download-DB is not up-to-date..."

> []
> I have tired the Portable version once a year or two ago, but there may have
> been issues with testing it while I have LO installed on that Windows
> system.

Please keep this thread focuses to the workings of the download page
itself, not about functionalities of the software packages.

> [...]
> The "German" ISO does have other language packs included, but the last time
> I downloaded it, the "text" of the DVD was in German.

Well, there must be a reason for "German" in the name, right?
But see comment above.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

On 07/09/2013 01:09 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
 wrote:

http://staging.libreoffice.org/download

I have a question.
The Portable section, under Packages, links to the

http://staging.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/dl/portable/4.0.4/12/LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe

Yet, there is another Portable package that some people might want to
choose, if their needed language is not in the "normal" version.

"LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualAll.paf.exe"

So just pick a version that is not in the multi installer and you'll
get the "All" link.


The clicking on "Portable" under the "Package" section - bottom left of 
the page - gives you "...Normal.paf.exe".



So would you want to show both Portable package options?

Nah, there I think just showing the matching (chosen or detected)
language is sufficient.
Are you saying if I was detected to use an African language that is 
supported by LO, that the link would then select "...All.paf.exe" ???



Also, right now there is only one 4.0.4 ISO file, the NA-DVD one. But, I
would assume that the German one would be available sometime.  So if we have
both versions of the DVD for the 4.0.5 installs, would both package links
show up here?

Yes - note that the staging site's download-DB is not up-to-date, so
it might not show all downloads that are currently available - but to
satisfy your example: for 3.6.6 there are both en and german isos, so
try with http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6 →
you'll get both offered.


For 4.0.4, there is currently only the NA-DVD on the CD/DVD download 
page.  I was not even thinking about 3.6.x.  Also 4.1.0 comes out at the 
end of the month, so I will be planning on making a NA-DVD out of those 
installs.  3.6.7 is due out sometime next week.  I have to think about 
making a NA-DVD for it as well. [but I am using 4.0.4 for all my 
system/OSs now].



If you show only one of the Portable package options, the logic would be
that you would only show one of the available DVD .iso file options as well.

Well, yes and no. Portable version is just windows version of
LibreOffice, with a different set of supported languages, whereas the
LibreOffice DVDs are a compilation of LibreOffice + some additional
software and documentation. LibreOffice is multi-lang on both isos.

Thanks for the feedback.

ciao
Christian



I have tired the Portable version once a year or two ago, but there may 
have been issues with testing it while I have LO installed on that 
Windows system.  It looks like there is another group that has created a 
different portable system and setup for packages, though I could not get 
that system to run on my Win7 laptops. X-LibreOffice, I think it is called.


The Portable package type of setup is a nice one to have so you can run 
you favorite package on someone else's Windows computer without needing 
to install it on that system.  The last time I tried it, it was much 
slower than the installed version, but is is a good way to demonstrate 
LO to others, if you do not have your laptop [or desktop] handy.  Thumb 
drives are much easier to carry.  I have a few 16 and 32 GB ones I carry 
with me, as needed, for slideshows and other presentations so I do not 
have to have those presentations/documentation on a specific system that 
I must take with me.


The "German" ISO does have other language packs included, but the last 
time I downloaded it, the "text" of the DVD was in German.  The NA-DVD 
uses "generic" English for the "text" of the HTML based DVD, but 
includes 8 different languages [language and help packs if available].  
The NA-DVD does not include the SKD and source code, but has about 2 GB 
of extras, plus the 90+/- install, language pack, and help pack files 
for Windows, MacOSX [Intel and PPC], Linux [DEB and RPM], plus the 2 
portable packages.


BOTH of the DVDs are targeted on different communities, as far as I can 
tell for the "German" one.  Note--I produce the NA-DVD.


I would love to see other DVDs listed on the CD/DVD download page[s].  
Having a different DVD created for each "major" language would be nice 
to see.  Those languages would include;  English, German, French, 
Spanish, Italian, Russia and that region, Middle Eastern region, African 
regain, Asian region, etc., plus Hebrew [which MSO seems to forget 
about, or so I have been told].  It would be hard to make one DVD, with 
the type of extras that the NA-DVD has, with auto detecting language and 
several language versions of the HTML based "text" system.  I would not 
fit on a "normal" 4.7 GB DVD.  I looked into it a few years back and 
could not figure out how to do it, as well as finding the "extras" in 
those languages - i.e. all of the documentation in all of those 
languages. [Well that went off topic a little].






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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi *,

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
 wrote:
>
> http://staging.libreoffice.org/download
>
> I have a question.
> The Portable section, under Packages, links to the
>
> http://staging.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/dl/portable/4.0.4/12/LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe
>
> Yet, there is another Portable package that some people might want to
> choose, if their needed language is not in the "normal" version.
>
> "LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualAll.paf.exe"

So just pick a version that is not in the multi installer and you'll
get the "All" link.

> So would you want to show both Portable package options?

Nah, there I think just showing the matching (chosen or detected)
language is sufficient.

> Also, right now there is only one 4.0.4 ISO file, the NA-DVD one. But, I
> would assume that the German one would be available sometime.  So if we have
> both versions of the DVD for the 4.0.5 installs, would both package links
> show up here?

Yes - note that the staging site's download-DB is not up-to-date, so
it might not show all downloads that are currently available - but to
satisfy your example: for 3.6.6 there are both en and german isos, so
try with http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6 →
you'll get both offered.

> If you show only one of the Portable package options, the logic would be
> that you would only show one of the available DVD .iso file options as well.

Well, yes and no. Portable version is just windows version of
LibreOffice, with a different set of supported languages, whereas the
LibreOffice DVDs are a compilation of LibreOffice + some additional
software and documentation. LibreOffice is multi-lang on both isos.

Thanks for the feedback.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

http://staging.libreoffice.org/download

I have a question.
The Portable section, under Packages, links to the

http://staging.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/dl/portable/4.0.4/12/LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe

Yet, there is another Portable package that some people might want to 
choose, if their needed language is not in the "normal" version.


"LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualAll.paf.exe"

So would you want to show both Portable package options?

Also, right now there is only one 4.0.4 ISO file, the NA-DVD one. But, I 
would assume that the German one would be available sometime.  So if we 
have both versions of the DVD for the 4.0.5 installs, would both package 
links show up here?


If you show only one of the Portable package options, the logic would be 
that you would only show one of the available DVD .iso file options as well.


I was just thinking about this.

To be really honest, I really like this version of the "default" 
download page.  It is much easier to use, since there are less 
"clicking" needed if you want to download a version that is not the same 
as the detected one. I.E., you use Linux to browse the page, but you 
want to download a copy of the Windows or MacOSX version[s] as well.  I 
use Linux for my default desktop, but I have 3 tablets that are Windows 
based [WinXP, Win7 Home, Win7 Professional]  So for the multi-OS user, 
this version of the download page works well. Right now, it was easier 
to use the "http://www.libreoffice.org/download-more/"; page for 
downloading multi-OS installs over the currently used download page - or 
at least until the "staging" one gets to be the "default" page.


I cannot wait till there is an Android OS package listed there as well, 
plus maybe an iPad version after that.  Android is the only OS I use 
that LO is currently not available.  I hope the developers get that 
version out of the "early-alpha" stage[s] soon.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi all,

Just a remark on translation:

[...]
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure  wrote:

> Hi Christian,
>
>
>

> "Other versions (hover to show)" --> "Autres versions (pointer avec la
> souris pour les montrer"
>
I would say "survoler de la souris pour les afficher"

@Christian, may be these strings should be with other on Pootle, we would
have all the website strings at the same place?
and thanks a lot for your work on this :)

Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Hi Christian,

Le 03/07/2013 22:56, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> Hi *,
> 
> As indicated in earlier mails, the restructuring of the code for the
> download-page is almost complete. What is lacking is to make it look a
> little nicer, but the functionality I intended to add is all there.
> [...]

Thank you very much for doing this. I think it will integrate well with
our French parallel presentation of currently available stable versions.
I agree with Marc that the main buttons should be above the alternative
links.

> 
> Now for the part where the presentation ends, and my requests for
> feedback/translation starts :-))
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So please provide feedback, if you have css to style it nicely, please
> go ahead and share. If you have other remarks: feel free to post them.
> If you reply to more aspects, please split your response into multiple
> separate messages.
> 
> (When I ask for translations, also feel free to suggest better English 
> wording)
> 
> New strings to translate are on the donation page, the text that reads:
> 
> »Your download %s should begin shortly. Please click the link in case
> it doesn't start.« (%s is a manual link to the download, using the
> filename as label)

FR translation : "Le téléchargement va commencer dans quelques secondes.
Veuillez cliquer sur le lien s'il ne démarre pas."
> 
> and the optional addition
> »You can find the optional downloads on the left.« (only shown when
> there are additional donwloads (langpacks/helppacks, other
> source-packages), but not for e.g. the SDK or the portable version.

FR translation : "À gauche vous trouvez les téléchargements complémentaires"

Note: I do not see this text on your test page while there is
additionnal dowloads for FR version.
> 
> Texts on the download page stayed mostly the same, except that the
> "change system, version or language" now is split.
> 
> I did pick »Change Language« and  »or change Operating system:« (two
> separate strings, since "Change Langauge" is also the label for a
> link, and if it would be one single string, I would not know where to
> split it)

FR translations:
»Change Language« --> "Changer de langue"
»change Operating system« --> "Changer de système d'exploitation"
"Stable Versions" --> "Versions stables"
"Pre-Release Versions" --> "Pré-versions"
"Other versions (hover to show)" --> "Autres versions (pointer avec la
souris pour les montrer"
(Sorry I do not know how to say shorter in French ;-) )
[...]

> "No regular installation files are available.
FR translation: "Aucun fichier d'installation disponible"
Note: I do not understand what regular means in this context.

> Please change your selection or pick one from the additional downloads below.
FR translation: "Veuillez changer votre sélection ou choisir parmi les
téléchargements additionnels ci-dessous"

> If you're looking for old versions, please visit our downloadarchive."
FR translation: "Si vous cherchez une ancienne version, veuillez visitez
nos archives".

Best regards
JBF

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Flo, *,

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Florian Effenberger
 wrote:
> Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-07-03 22:56:
>
>> Now for the part where the presentation ends, and my requests for
>> feedback/translation starts :-))
>
> just two things here:
>
> I assume you do the German translation on your own? If you need help or a
> review, just poke me.

Yes, can do german translation on my own.

> If you don't get enough feedback, feel free to also poke the projects@ list,
> asking for help.

Thanks - will do - so far no translations arrived. And to answer the
other posts: Sure it is possible to move the switches to the bottom. I
agree that it is more natural that way.

Will make the changes and post to the projects list in the evening.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-07-03 22:56:

Now for the part where the presentation ends, and my requests for
feedback/translation starts :-))


just two things here:

I assume you do the German translation on your own? If you need help or 
a review, just poke me.


If you don't get enough feedback, feel free to also poke the projects@ 
list, asking for help.


Thanks!
Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Harri,

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Harri Pitkänen  wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 July 2013, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
>> * clicking on the main download (main installler, or portable, or iso,
>> or sdk, or source for core-repository), will direct to the donate
>> page, and donate-page will show the additional downloads, so the user
>> doesn't have to go back to select languagepack or helppack.
>
> What if a localized subsite does not have a donations page (at least for the
> Finnish subsite adding one would be legally problematic)? Would it be possible
> to make this redirection configurable so that we could redirect to the generic
> "get involved" page (which we do have) or should we just disable the
> redirection for such subsites completely?

The plan was to just disable the redirection. Redirecting to a "get
involved" page is trickier, as that then also would need the ability
to show the additional downloads.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

[Harri Pitkänen]

Hi!

This new download page really is easier to use, thanks! Just one question:

On Wednesday 03 July 2013, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> * clicking on the main download (main installler, or portable, or iso,
> or sdk, or source for core-repository), will direct to the donate
> page, and donate-page will show the additional downloads, so the user
> doesn't have to go back to select languagepack or helppack.

What if a localized subsite does not have a donations page (at least for the 
Finnish subsite adding one would be legally problematic)? Would it be possible 
to make this redirection configurable so that we could redirect to the generic 
"get involved" page (which we do have) or should we just disable the 
redirection for such subsites completely?

Harri

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

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On 07/05/2013 01:27 PM, Christian Kühl wrote:

Hi Christian!

Am 03.07.2013 22:56, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:


I will list the changed strings, so please read all of it/at least
skip to the delimiter :-)

You can try it out at http://staging.libreoffice.org/download

* it is now possible to only select one of the paramaters, instead
of all three, i.e. you can preselect a version, and have the rest
auto-detect: → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6
will offer the 3.6.6 download, but still detect the language and OS →
http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=fr will offer the
french version, and autodetects version (defaults to latest stable,
currently 4.0.4) and autodetects the OS →
http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=nl&version=3.6.6 will
preselect dutch version of 3.6.6 for whatever OS the site detects.

* it is now possible for the user to switch os or version using one
single choice, without having the need to click through all the
pages. Only changing the langauge will show a separate page, because
the list of languages is so big. But changing from rpm to deb, or
from windows to Mac is now just one click.

* also the versions are presented for selection by the user, so both
codelines are mentioned/available.


The new download page is very functional, thanks for that.

But: The new part for changing language, OS or version is cluttering. I
think it would be better having three separate lines for choosing. My
suggestion:

LibreOffice , version , .
Not the version you wanted?
* Change Language
* Change Operating System: Windows ...
* Change Version: Stable Versions: ... Pre-Release Versions: ...

Greetings,
Christian.



Yes
I like it.
You have less clicks to go through to download a different OS version 
than you are browsing with.  For those who use several OSs - I use 
Windows and 64-bit DEBs - it is much esasier to use this page.  Also, 
since it also shows the download for the ISO files, it works in that way 
as well.





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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test & provide translations

[Christian Kühl]

Hi Christian!

Am 03.07.2013 22:56, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:


I will list the changed strings, so please read all of it/at least
skip to the delimiter :-)

You can try it out at http://staging.libreoffice.org/download

* it is now possible to only select one of the paramaters, instead
of all three, i.e. you can preselect a version, and have the rest
auto-detect: → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6
will offer the 3.6.6 download, but still detect the language and OS →
http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=fr will offer the
french version, and autodetects version (defaults to latest stable,
currently 4.0.4) and autodetects the OS →
http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=nl&version=3.6.6 will
preselect dutch version of 3.6.6 for whatever OS the site detects.

* it is now possible for the user to switch os or version using one
single choice, without having the need to click through all the
pages. Only changing the langauge will show a separate page, because
the list of languages is so big. But changing from rpm to deb, or
from windows to Mac is now just one click.

* also the versions are presented for selection by the user, so both
codelines are mentioned/available.


The new download page is very functional, thanks for that.

But: The new part for changing language, OS or version is cluttering. I
think it would be better having three separate lines for choosing. My
suggestion:

LibreOffice , version , .
Not the version you wanted?
* Change Language
* Change Operating System: Windows ...
* Change Version: Stable Versions: ... Pre-Release Versions: ...

Greetings,
Christian.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page suggestion

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Jonathan, *,

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
 wrote:
> Hey guys
>
> I just realized the download page after you click and begin your download,
> there is no way to choose a mirror if the one that is chosen for you based
> on geoip is offline.

Well - impossible to track this szenario, as it would mean spying on
the user's connection - there are multiple reasons why connection to a
specific mirror, one is the use of proxies, another is routing
problems, etc.

> would it be possible to inform the users along the
> lines
>
> your download will commece from URL of mirror click here to choose a
> different mirror.

Yes, that would be possible. (And note that you can get a mirror-list
when using the "info" link in the download-buttons)

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page suggestion

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Ok no problem :)


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Florian Effenberger <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-16 09:32:
>
>  What would this entail to get this implemented?
>>
>
> I am working together with Christian to get it done.
>
>
> Florian
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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page suggestion

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-16 09:32:

What would this entail to get this implemented?


I am working together with Christian to get it done.

Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page suggestion

[Jonathan Aquilina]

>
>
> What we still need to implement, though, is a selection of other downloads
> ("Do you also want to have the language pack?").
>

What would this entail to get this implemented?

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page suggestion

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-16 08:30:

I just realized the download page after you click and begin your download,
there is no way to choose a mirror if the one that is chosen for you based
on geoip is offline. would it be possible to inform the users along the
lines

your download will commece from URL of mirror click here to choose a
different mirror.


at the moment, none of our sites provide mirror selection, to not 
confuse the users.


What we still need to implement, though, is a selection of other 
downloads ("Do you also want to have the language pack?").


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page issue

[Olivier Hallot]

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Hi Christian

Em 05-04-2013 10:08, Christian Lohmaier escreveu:
> Hi Olivier, *,
> 
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Olivier Hallot
>  wrote:
>>
>> The download page has a logic to add text on releases .0 and .1 . It works.
>>
>> On release .2 and above, the text is not shown, but there is a section
>> in the page for more text.
> 
> No - that is the basic text-entry for the page - and if nl-teams just
> did change the page-type without clearing the content, displaying the
> content will add lot of spam to the page...

I see.

> 
>> Can we have a logic to display the remaining text on releases above .2 ?
> 
> It certainly is possible - either in addition (always) or as
> alternaive if neither of the .0 or .1 entries are specified.

Whichever is the easiest and safest.

> 
> But before I make that change, I'd like to have the following clarified:
> 
> * are NL-Teams prepared? I.e. do you have the "content" entry box
> cleared of  any previous content / is what you have written there OK
> to be added to the DL-Page?

I guess you can add then a 4th edit box, after .1 release and keep the
last edit box undisplayed, so it won't disturb the NL teams.


> * Do you want the text from the content box to be always displayed or
> only when neither .0 nor .1 is applied?

In my case, only when neither .0 nor .1 is applied.

> 
> ciao
> Christian
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page issue

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Olivier, *,

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Olivier Hallot
 wrote:
>
> The download page has a logic to add text on releases .0 and .1 . It works.
>
> On release .2 and above, the text is not shown, but there is a section
> in the page for more text.

No - that is the basic text-entry for the page - and if nl-teams just
did change the page-type without clearing the content, displaying the
content will add lot of spam to the page...

> Can we have a logic to display the remaining text on releases above .2 ?

It certainly is possible - either in addition (always) or as
alternaive if neither of the .0 or .1 entries are specified.

But before I make that change, I'd like to have the following clarified:

* are NL-Teams prepared? I.e. do you have the "content" entry box
cleared of  any previous content / is what you have written there OK
to be added to the DL-Page?
* Do you want the text from the content box to be always displayed or
only when neither .0 nor .1 is applied?

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: wrong platform autodetection

[Antanas Budriūnas]

Hi Christian,

2013/2/8 Christian Lohmaier :
> Hi Antanas,
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Antanas Budriūnas  wrote:
>>
>> the main download page shows 'rpm' version instead of 'deb' (Chromium
>> 24.0.1312.56 Ubuntu 12.04).
>
> Very likely there is nothing in the browser's info strings that could
> guess the website correctly...
>
> Please visit the downloadpage and have chromium display the sourcecode
> (+u)
> search for >>"typography"<< (with the " quotes as to match the div and
> not stylesheets), or just scroll down to around line 75
>
> There's a html-comment listing the User-Agent string that is used to
> determine the OS, architecture as well as deb/rpm..
>
> If there's something that leads to the conclusion that it is from a
> deb-based distro, then the detection can be adjusted. If it is just a
> generic one, then the default will be used (and that is rpm)
>
>> Using Mozilla Firefox 18.0.2 detection is correct - 'deb' in this case.
>
> very likely that mentions ubuntu in the user-agent string, while
> chormium doesn't...

Exactly. Chromium did not mentions ubuntu and returns wrong type:rpm-x86
Thanks for clarifying this.


Antanas

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: wrong platform autodetection

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Antanas,

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Antanas Budriūnas  wrote:
>
> the main download page shows 'rpm' version instead of 'deb' (Chromium
> 24.0.1312.56 Ubuntu 12.04).

Very likely there is nothing in the browser's info strings that could
guess the website correctly...

Please visit the downloadpage and have chromium display the sourcecode
(+u)
search for »"typography"« (with the " quotes as to match the div and
not stylesheets), or just scroll down to around line 75

There's a html-comment listing the User-Agent string that is used to
determine the OS, architecture as well as deb/rpm..

If there's something that leads to the conclusion that it is from a
deb-based distro, then the detection can be adjusted. If it is just a
generic one, then the default will be used (and that is rpm)

> Using Mozilla Firefox 18.0.2 detection is correct – 'deb' in this case.

very likely that mentions ubuntu in the user-agent string, while
chormium doesn't...

ciao
Chrsitian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page ... Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.7

[Joel Madero]

On 10/18/2012 10:48 PM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote:

Hi Joel,
Am 19.10.2012 07:32, schrieb Joel Madero:

On 10/18/2012 03:14 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:

Hi all,

Italo Vignoli wrote (18-10-12 18:18)

LibreOffice 3.5.7 is available for immediate download from the 
following

link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/.


I would expect that page to offer 3.6.2 ..?
So there is something wrong with some script?

Ciao,


By default we're still offering 3.5.x series to users. This is the "most
stable" of our releases. Because of the LibO conference which is
currently going on in Berlin, we've been a bit crunched for time. We're
going to give 3.5.7 a couple days and then we'll put out an announcement
that 3.6.2 is final and then it will be available as an alternative when
you click on the link which reads:


3.6.2 *is* a released version. So there is no need to announce it. I 
think you mean 3.6.3.




Change System, Version or Language


Currently it is listed as a pre-release but it will be the same version
that is the stable release when the announcement happens in a few days.


Yes, there are two versions which are announced as pre-released:

3.6.2 and 3.6.3

Have a look at:
http://de.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86&lang=de


That's the point, we shouldn't have 3.6.2 as a pre-release. So we'll be 
moving that under stable soon (few days).



Regards,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page ... Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.7

[klaus-jürgen weghorn ol]

Hi Joel,
Am 19.10.2012 07:32, schrieb Joel Madero:

On 10/18/2012 03:14 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:

Hi all,

Italo Vignoli wrote (18-10-12 18:18)


LibreOffice 3.5.7 is available for immediate download from the following
link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/.


I would expect that page to offer 3.6.2 ..?
So there is something wrong with some script?

Ciao,


By default we're still offering 3.5.x series to users. This is the "most
stable" of our releases. Because of the LibO conference which is
currently going on in Berlin, we've been a bit crunched for time. We're
going to give 3.5.7 a couple days and then we'll put out an announcement
that 3.6.2 is final and then it will be available as an alternative when
you click on the link which reads:


3.6.2 *is* a released version. So there is no need to announce it. I 
think you mean 3.6.3.




Change System, Version or Language


Currently it is listed as a pre-release but it will be the same version
that is the stable release when the announcement happens in a few days.


Yes, there are two versions which are announced as pre-released:

3.6.2 and 3.6.3

Have a look at:
http://de.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86&lang=de


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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page ... Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.7

[Joel Madero]

On 10/18/2012 03:14 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:

Hi all,

Italo Vignoli wrote (18-10-12 18:18)


LibreOffice 3.5.7 is available for immediate download from the following
link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/.


I would expect that page to offer 3.6.2 ..?
So there is something wrong with some script?

Ciao,


By default we're still offering 3.5.x series to users. This is the "most 
stable" of our releases. Because of the LibO conference which is 
currently going on in Berlin, we've been a bit crunched for time. We're 
going to give 3.5.7 a couple days and then we'll put out an announcement 
that 3.6.2 is final and then it will be available as an alternative when 
you click on the link which reads:


Change System, Version or Language 



Currently it is listed as a pre-release but it will be the same version 
that is the stable release when the announcement happens in a few days.



Hope that helps, apologies for the confusion.


Regards,
Joel



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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page ... Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.7

[Joel Madero]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

> On 10/19/12 12:14 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:
>
> > I would expect that page to offer 3.6.2 ..?
> > So there is something wrong with some script?
>
> Unfortunately, I cannot help here.
>
>
We are looking into this. Thanks for pointing it out


Regards,
Joel


P.S. Right now 3.6.2 is still listed under pre-release

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page ... Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.7

[Italo Vignoli]

On 10/19/12 12:14 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:

> I would expect that page to offer 3.6.2 ..?
> So there is something wrong with some script?

Unfortunately, I cannot help here.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Erich Christian]

Hi,

Am 04.06.2012 16:58, schrieb Jan Holesovsky:
> On 2012-06-04 at 14:57 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
>>> [4 DL buttons] 
>>> Can anybody fix that ASAP, please?
>> Should be fixed now - please poke me if not.

> Great, thank you a lot, works!  Please, is it version-controlled
> somewhere, in order to be able to come up with a patch?

Code is here
https://github.com/tdf/cms-code/tree/master/mysite/code
but not up to date.

cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Thorsten Behrens]

Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> Great, thank you a lot, works!  Please, is it version-controlled
> somewhere, in order to be able to come up with a patch?
> 
Yep, it is - git://github.com/tdf/cms-code.git - 

mysite/code/DownloadSimplePage.php has the gist of it.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Jan Holesovsky]

Hi Thorsten,

On 2012-06-04 at 14:57 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:

> > I have just noticed that http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ shows
> > the download buttons twice and has a warning that "This is a
> > pre-release version not meant for genereal use." (at least does that
> > for my language, Czech), even though 3.5.4 is offered.  Can anybody
> > fix that ASAP, please?
> > 
> Should be fixed now - please poke me if not.

Great, thank you a lot, works!  Please, is it version-controlled
somewhere, in order to be able to come up with a patch?

Thank you,
Kendy


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Antanas Budriūnas]

2012/6/4 Thorsten Behrens :
> Jan Holesovsky wrote:
>> I have just noticed that http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ shows
>> the download buttons twice and has a warning that "This is a
>> pre-release version not meant for genereal use." (at least does that
>> for my language, Czech), even though 3.5.4 is offered.  Can anybody
>> fix that ASAP, please?
>>
> Should be fixed now - please poke me if not.

Indeed. It's fixed. Congratulations!


Antanas

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Thorsten Behrens]

Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> I have just noticed that http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ shows
> the download buttons twice and has a warning that "This is a
> pre-release version not meant for genereal use." (at least does that
> for my language, Czech), even though 3.5.4 is offered.  Can anybody
> fix that ASAP, please?
> 
Should be fixed now - please poke me if not.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on 2012-06-03 20:24:

There are a lot of automatic coding and file selections going on in the
background.  If one small bit of the page gets messed with improper
statements, it could generate the errors that we are seeing right now.


since I'm on the road for three days now, I've texted Christian 
Lohmaier, who hopefully is able to help.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

YES we noticed and some one if trying to figure out what happened with 
the page system to display both the "stable" version and the "RC" 
pre-release version.  Then having the warning does not help either.  At 
one point, for Debian downloads, it showed not just the main archived 
file to be downloaded, but all of its parts.  That was really confusing, 
since it seemed to indicate that you needed to download the parts 
instead of the archived file of all of the parts.


There are a lot of automatic coding and file selections going on in the 
background.  If one small bit of the page gets messed with improper 
statements, it could generate the errors that we are seeing right now.


On 06/03/2012 02:03 PM, Jan Holesovsky wrote:

Hi there,

I have just noticed that http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ shows
the download buttons twice and has a warning that "This is a
pre-release version not meant for genereal use." (at least does that
for my language, Czech), even though 3.5.4 is offered.  Can anybody
fix that ASAP, please?

Thank you,
Kendy




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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-page: Icon for to-be-released 3.4.2 will be "info" icon (instead of "warning" as it is with 3.4.1)

[Antanas Budriūnas]

2011/7/29 Christian Lohmaier :
> Hi *,
>
> As 3.4.2 is expected to be available in the next days, it's time to
> prepare the download pages/websites accordingly.
>
> This is to inform you that the icon that is shown next to the download
> links will be changed from the yellow warning-icon to the blue
> info-icon.
>
> As many projects use the same icon to mark explanatory text, please
> prepare accordingly, i.e. instead of assigning the class "warning" to
> your paragraph, apply the "information" class.

A little correction: "warning" should be replaced with "information"
in image source value e. g. src="assets/information.png".


Antanas

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: little addition pls

[Cor Nouws]

David Nelson wrote (09-06-11 14:04)


"Adopters" not "Adaptors" ... "Please" not "Pls"

HTH.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: little addition pls

[David Nelson]

Hi,

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 04:24, Cor Nouws  wrote:
> I woudl do:
> "
> LibreOffice 3.4.0 Final (2011-06-03)
>
> For early adaptors. Before downloading, please check the system requirements
> for your computer. Pls take a look at the release notes and read about the
> new features in this version.
> "

"Adopters" not "Adaptors" ... "Please" not "Pls"

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: little addition pls

[Cor Nouws]

Christian Lohmaier wrote (04-06-11 03:36)

Ah, such a small change can be done by myself :-)


Super :-)


Added you as author - if you want to be publisher, let me know..


Thanks. Sometimes small annoyances are better cured by myself than 
finding words to ask others.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: little addition pls

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Cor,

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Cor Nouws  wrote:
> Christian Lohmaier wrote (04-06-11 03:13)
>
> For early adaptors. Before downloading, please check the system requirements
> for your computer. Pls take a look at the release notes and read about the
> new features in this version.
> "

Ah, such a small change can be done by myself :-)

>> You have two user-accounts - tell me which one to use and I can add
>> you as Author (or if you prefer as Publisher)
>
> oolst@ pls.

Added you as author - if you want to be publisher, let me know..

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: little addition pls

[Cor Nouws]

Christian Lohmaier wrote (04-06-11 03:13)

If someone has a concrete statement to put on the site, I can add it.


Now it is
"
LibreOffice 3.4.0 Final (2011-06-03)

Before downloading, please check the system requirements for your 
computer. You might also like to look at the release notes and read 
about the new features in this version.


I woudl do:
"
LibreOffice 3.4.0 Final (2011-06-03)

For early adaptors. Before downloading, please check the system 
requirements for your computer. Pls take a look at the release notes and 
read about the new features in this version.

"


You have two user-accounts - tell me which one to use and I can add
you as Author (or if you prefer as Publisher)


oolst@ pls.

Thanks,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: little addition pls

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Cor, *,

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Cor Nouws  wrote:
> [Downloadpage]
> One remark though: IMO it ís necessary to also state in words that the 3.4.0
> *is for early adaptors*. The exclamation mark in itself is not clear enough,
> neither the suggestion that one "might want to read the release notes".
>
> If there are no objections, could someone pls add that few words,

If someone has a concrete statement to put on the site, I can add it.

> or grant
> me rights for that part of the website?

You have two user-accounts - tell me which one to use and I can add
you as Author (or if you prefer as Publisher)

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page too verbose?

[Christoph Noack]

Hi Marc, all!

Am Freitag, den 03.06.2011, 10:00 -0400 schrieb Marc Paré:
> If possible, would it be possible to see an example of another
> dropdown 
> menu window on the left hand side of the OS version or we could go to 
> something like this[1] on the Adobe site. I have made a mockup of my 
> suggestion[2] with all of the other points incorporated in the image. 

Yes, the page is a bit crowded now ... and I'd like to bring up a
proposal made a few days ago:
http://go.mail-archive.com/Z7cGY5OP5jJtA-jgEVa_dmD4Fv4=

More or less...

Am 23.05.2011 15:49, schrieb Christoph Noack:
 > Mmh, the adopt-o-meter shows it nicely (which is good), but the
 > decision
 > itself has to be done by the user (how to select the desired LibO
 > version, where do I find it, ...).
 >
 > Can this be somehow aligned with the download selector on the
website?
 > Something like:
 >* "Official Release, for home and office use" -->  default
 >* "Highly stable, for corporate use"
 >* "Newest Features, for early adopters"
 >
 > So, the users may decide - but don't need to. And the decision to go 
 > for
 > (e.g.) stability is directly tied to a certain version - no
additional
 > lookups.

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page is HS

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 28/01/2011 13:00, Florian Effenberger a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote on 2011-01-28 09.12:
>> Script in download page does not work anymore.
>
> the page works again. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> Florian
>
Thank you.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page is HS

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote on 2011-01-28 09.12:

Script in download page does not work anymore.


the page works again. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page issue on spanish site

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Daniel,

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Daniel A. Rodriguez
 wrote:
> Hi, I'm getting some problems trying to include dropdown lists in download
> page, text editor cut html code up resulting in some kind of tag cloud.

Yes, creation of arbitrary html is not allowed. For Forms, you can use
the "User Defined Form" page type, for more "complicated" stuff, you
need to explain what you need, so that the functionality can be added
to the underlying code (i.e. cannot be done by the UI alone).

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Goran, *,

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Goran Rakic  wrote:
> There is an error on the new download page. In the LibO, as well as in
> the OOo, "sh" locale code is used for Serbian Latin language and should
> say "srpski latinicom".

Thanks, changed.

> It will be the best to place it out of order
> just under the "sr" locale code, if possible.

Also thanks for this - I accidentally reverted the sort-by-iso code...
So while not directly under sr, it will be more close together again
now. (four others in between)

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Goran Rakic]

Dear all,

There is an error on the new download page. In the LibO, as well as in
the OOo, "sh" locale code is used for Serbian Latin language and should
say "srpski latinicom". It will be the best to place it out of order
just under the "sr" locale code, if possible.

More details about the sh code in OOo:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NLC:LanguageList#Note_on_sh_usage_inside_OpenOffice.org

Usage example:
http://download.openoffice.org/other.html

Kind regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page - List of languages for rc3

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Andreas, *,

2011/1/13 Andras Timar :
>
> I'm not sure you know, just for the record:

Yes, did know, but thanks for the reminder nevertheless

The script has been adjusted accordingly

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi David, *,

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:41 AM, David Nelson  wrote:
>
> Heads-up: in the lang packs langs list, lang "my" needs an encoding
> fix - the lang name shows up as little boxes...

You got a font installed that displays Burmese characters?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmese_script

And I wonder that this is the only one you get little boxes :-) You
got quite good unicode coverage with your fonts then :-)

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[David Nelson]

Hi Christian, :-)

Heads-up: in the lang packs langs list, lang "my" needs an encoding
fix - the lang name shows up as little boxes...

HTH.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Danishka Navin]

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Christian Lohmaier <
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com >wrote:

> Hi Danishka, *,
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Danishka Navin 
> wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Christian Lohmaier <
> > lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com <
> lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.com
> >>wrote:
> >> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Danishka Navin 
> >> wrote:
> >> [sorting of the languagedropdown on download-page]
> > please do not take the locale name but localcode (lang-Country)
> > that is the part not localized
> >
> > for example;
> >
> > si-LK  is the langcode for Sinhala
> > if we set the dropdown by order of langcode every one can see there
> language
> > as the langcode order and every lancode is redable.
>
> But the question is: Will people know what the iso-code for their language
> is?
>
> > as we all know the web site is going to be localized.
> > So, in the English content page default package should be English.
>
> The default is whatever the browser's language is, the default is not
> tied to the locale of the page.
> The browser's UI usually reflect the UI preference of the user,...
>
> > Hope you got my point :)
>
>


Just write down the list in order by language code
and compare it with the existing one

understanding of the langcode is not required.

for example,

if you want to get either slovanian or sinhala you can just type 'S' then
list will move to langcodes start with Sinhala
then you can see your language is around there.

this will work for many languages.



 I hope you get mine as well (for the user there should be no need to
> switch to another language hopefully - if detection fails, then please
> tell me so). The user definitely knows the name of the language, but
> might not know the iso-code.
>

in my language Unicode is not use in every where its still promoting100%

the best solution is to remove this dropdown list and just show a a table
like in Mozilla or in OO.o
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html

01 detect your systems locale and prompt relevant Libo package
if not let them to select from a table

check this out
getfirefox.com > 'Other Systems and
Languages
'
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html

>
> And for people who want to download more than one language, I suggest
> to expand the list below the selection (which then is sorted by
> iso-code)
>
> In the end, it is only a small change, I hoped that other people would
> post their opinion on this..
>
> ciao
> Christian
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Danishka, *,

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Danishka Navin  wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Christian Lohmaier <
> lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com >wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Danishka Navin 
>> wrote:
>> [sorting of the languagedropdown on download-page]
> please do not take the locale name but localcode (lang-Country)
> that is the part not localized
>
> for example;
>
> si-LK  is the langcode for Sinhala
> if we set the dropdown by order of langcode every one can see there language
> as the langcode order and every lancode is redable.

But the question is: Will people know what the iso-code for their language is?

> as we all know the web site is going to be localized.
> So, in the English content page default package should be English.

The default is whatever the browser's language is, the default is not
tied to the locale of the page.
The browser's UI usually reflect the UI preference of the user,...

> Hope you got my point :)

I hope you get mine as well (for the user there should be no need to
switch to another language hopefully - if detection fails, then please
tell me so). The user definitely knows the name of the language, but
might not know the iso-code.

And for people who want to download more than one language, I suggest
to expand the list below the selection (which then is sorted by
iso-code)

In the end, it is only a small change, I hoped that other people would
post their opinion on this..

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Danishka Navin]

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Christian Lohmaier <
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com >wrote:

> Hi Danishka, *,
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Danishka Navin 
> wrote:
> >
> > It would be better if we can set the dropdown menu for 'locales'  in
> > alphabetical order.
>
> Well - it is in alphabetical order, but taking the native localename
> as sort-key.
>
please do not take the locale name but localcode (lang-Country)
that is the part not localized

for example;

si-LK  is the langcode for Sinhala
if we set the dropdown by order of langcode every one can see there language
as the langcode order and every lancode is redable.

according to my request Arabic, African  and Any Lang code start with 'a'
should be in top of the list.

as we all know the web site is going to be localized.
So, in the English content page default package should be English.

Hope you got my point :)



> > en-US should be in the default value
>
> Sorry, don't understand what you mean. Do you mean your browser is set
> to accept en-US, but it is not preselected? Or do I misunderstand?
>
> > but once click on the drop-down it
> > should list all locales in an order.
>
> It does - *E*nglish comes after *D*eutsch, but before *I*rish for example.
>
> The reason not to sort by iso-locale was that someone remarked that
> people usually don't know what this is about.
>
> > http://test.libreoffice.org/download/
>
> The expandable lists below are sorted by ISO-identifier, thus when you
> expand "LibreOffice, the productivity suite", then for example Mac PPC
> → Languagepacks, you'll see the list sorted by iso
>
> If more people think it should be sorted by iso in the dropdown, I'll
> change it back to sort by iso - I don't have a strong opinion on it.
>
> ciao
> Christian
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Danishka, *,

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Danishka Navin  wrote:
>
> It would be better if we can set the dropdown menu for 'locales'  in
> alphabetical order.

Well - it is in alphabetical order, but taking the native localename
as sort-key.

> en-US should be in the default value

Sorry, don't understand what you mean. Do you mean your browser is set
to accept en-US, but it is not preselected? Or do I misunderstand?

> but once click on the drop-down it
> should list all locales in an order.

It does - *E*nglish comes after *D*eutsch, but before *I*rish for example.

The reason not to sort by iso-locale was that someone remarked that
people usually don't know what this is about.

> http://test.libreoffice.org/download/

The expandable lists below are sorted by ISO-identifier, thus when you
expand "LibreOffice, the productivity suite", then for example Mac PPC
→ Languagepacks, you'll see the list sorted by iso

If more people think it should be sorted by iso in the dropdown, I'll
change it back to sort by iso - I don't have a strong opinion on it.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Charles Marcus]

On 2010-12-07 8:05 PM, Carlos Jenkins wrote:
> That's not true, and already discussed on this threat. I'm on Debian and my
> user agent doesn't include nothing about Debian, please put
> more attention to the thread the next time before talking.

Would it be possible for systems that are not fully identifiable, to add
a button 'Determine My Distro', that initiates a system command (like
'uname -a' or something), of course warning the user what will happen
beforehand... ?

If not, why not just ask the user: "We have detected that you are
running [Linux][xBSD][whatever], but cannot determine the Distribution -
please select from the list, or enter it here:"

And/or then present the user with a list of choices, one of them being
'I know what I'm doing, let me pick from the available packages'

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Seb]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Carlos Jenkins  wrote:
> Hi Stefan,
>
> 2010/12/8 Stefan Weigel 
>>
>> I would never consider showing a selection of distros Debian,
>> Fedora, Mandriva, Mint, PCLinuxOS, Ubuntu, openSUSE rather than a
>> selection of package types Windows, Mac x86, Mac PPC, Linux x86 rpm,
>> Linux x86 deb, Linux 64 bit rpm, Linux 64 bit deb.
>>
>
> You have a good point. But I hope some day LibreOffice will be in a lot of
> distros, we're aiming to become the default OfficeSuite for the mayor, if
> not all, the Linux Distributions out there. Please check the Banshee website
> and how the Download section behave:
>
> http://banshee.fm/download/

I'm pretty sure his point was exactly the opposite of the banshee download page.


> We need also, analyse the download widget from a user perspective, a list
> box with options, if quick for people who know what to do,
> it's absolutely not good for normal users.

I disagree. The vast majority of people in the world are indeed
capable of making a choice when presented with a simple question.

It's one thing to guide a user in making the appropriate and another
to make a choice for them.

> I know, if you ask for Ubuntu a
> lot users if they need to choose deb or rpm, they will not know, cause they
> use Ubuntu Software Center to install things (and again my first point).

Sure that's why you try to "guide" to the DEB file.

Don't get me wrong though. I actually like the banshee download page.
It's the second step I don't like. The process gives me "instruction"
while I specifically came to the page to "Download" something.

> And as Marc Paré stated nor they will know if 32bits or 64bits.
>
> Seb said:
> They are 3 possible answer DEB, RPM or Neither.
>
> Yes, for now, we hope in the future we have instructions per distros like
> the Banshee site. Also we need to jungle with +arch, +lang, +download
> method, so it's a little more complex. But I think Samuel is on the right
> track.

No. There really are only 3 possibilities. Most popular distros use
RPM or DEB. And others use something specific to that distro in which
case the probably want the source anyway.

If you use a distro that uses deb or rpm you download the file, double
click on it, then the install starts. Simple. And everyone is familiar
with that. because that's how it's done on every major operating
system. Download, double click, install.

And for the those who don't have RPM or DEB. Well don't worry about
them because they know what they are doing. In fact the last thing
they probably want is a piece of Javascript telling them what to do.

As far as architectures go. The OO.o code is not exactly a success
story as far as ports go. I don't think we need to worry about that
just yet.

Language is trivial. I'm almost 100% sure that people know what
language they speak and can select it from a list. And keep it a list
because people often do install their office suite in a diffrent
language. For example I am a French speaking Canadian but I was born
in an bilingual part of Canada. As such I run most software in English
but my office suite in French.

Download method is also trivial. There can only be one.

In any case we have half of use that wants the distro thing and other
want the package thing. So lets compromise and do a bit of both.

See attached image.

SEB.
PS: selecting other would add an extra step to choose between DEB, RPM
and Source.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Carlos Jenkins]

Hi Stefan,

2010/12/8 Stefan Weigel 
>
> I would never consider showing a selection of distros Debian,
> Fedora, Mandriva, Mint, PCLinuxOS, Ubuntu, openSUSE rather than a
> selection of package types Windows, Mac x86, Mac PPC, Linux x86 rpm,
> Linux x86 deb, Linux 64 bit rpm, Linux 64 bit deb.
>

You have a good point. But I hope some day LibreOffice will be in a lot of
distros, we're aiming to become the default OfficeSuite for the mayor, if
not all, the Linux Distributions out there. Please check the Banshee website
and how the Download section behave:

http://banshee.fm/download/

So, when integrated on those Linux distributions, be expect the user install
them from their package system, (well, we haven't discussed that yet, but
it's what I think).

We need also, analyse the download widget from a user perspective, a list
box with options, if quick for people who know what to do,
it's absolutely not good for normal users. I know, if you ask for Ubuntu a
lot users if they need to choose deb or rpm, they will not know, cause they
use Ubuntu Software Center to install things (and again my first point). And
as Marc Paré stated nor they will know if 32bits or 64bits.

Seb said:
They are 3 possible answer DEB, RPM or Neither.

Yes, for now, we hope in the future we have instructions per distros like
the Banshee site. Also we need to jungle with +arch, +lang, +download
method, so it's a little more complex. But I think Samuel is on the right
track.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Carlos Jenkins]

2010/12/8 Christian Lohmaier

>
>
> Hi Carol
>
It's Carlos, fuck, second time :S

Jesus Christ Lohmaier

I give you the same advice that you were giving me: Read throught the
> thread, then you'd have known that my solution (and the one from
> Stefan before) already does that from the very beginning.
>
> http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3

And does it awfull, it's this kind of interfaces just sucks.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page changed?

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Stefan, *,

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Stefan Weigel
 wrote:
> Am 07.12.2010 07:31, schrieb Stefan Weigel:
>
> Sorry, I can´t translate this particular page, because I do not see
> how its content is managed.

Well - it is automatically generated, thus it doesn't make sense to
duplicate it in the editor window... In the current form it is just
appended to the content from the editor window

> I do not see the published content or
> any code that produces the content in edit mode. And I do not see
> the published contentor any code that produces the content in HTML
> view of the editor, either.

The code that generates the actual list is here:
https://github.com/tdf/cms-code/blob/master/mysite/code/DownloadPage.php

The result is turned into HTML by this:
https://github.com/tdf/cms-themes/blob/master/tdf/templates/Layout/DownloadPage.ss

The javascript that creates the filtered output is here:
https://github.com/tdf/cms-code/blob/master/mysite/javascript/download.js
(but that one is visible from the site as well)

I'm not sure what is the best way to translate it yet. Either by using
hidden paragraphs or divs with the strings and fetch them from there,
or if it is wanted to display strings from different languages from
within the string by calling a different function of the controller
and add it on-the-fly.
Or with the silverstripe way of translating strings (i.e. using the
equivalent of po files in the cms itself
http://api.silverstripe.org/2.4/sapphire/misc/i18n.html#class_details
i.e. using  ss.i18n._t('MyEntity.MyNamespace','My default natural
language value');
in the script or just _t(...) in the template.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page changed?

[Stefan Weigel]

Hallo Christian,

Am 07.12.2010 07:31, schrieb Stefan Weigel:

>> https://test.libreoffice.org/download-3/
> 
> Prima! :-)
> 
> I vote for renaming it to http://.../download/ and linking it in the
> menu.

Ok, this has happened now.

> I will be happy to again rebuild the german translation for it
> then.

Sorry, I can´t translate this particular page, because I do not see
how its content is managed. I do not see the published content or
any code that produces the content in edit mode. And I do not see
the published contentor any code that produces the content in HTML
view of the editor, either.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Seb]

It think we are making this much hard than it could be.

They are 3 possible answer DEB, RPM or Neither.

So if you can detect you default to the right package.

If you cannot detect, are not sure you detected right, or you detect
something that does not use deb or rpm. You default to "select your
pacakge".

Also the source package in tar.gz need to be an option. Gentoo and
slackware users for example will probably want that choice.

If you are worried about people that don't know. Put a small link
above the box. "I need help selecting the right package!"
Set the link to display a box on hover.
"If you are using Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Linux Mint, Xandros, etc.
You should try the .deb package"
"If you are using Red hat, CentOS, Fedora, Suse, OpenSuse, Mandriva
etc. You should try the .deb package"
"If you are using Gentoo, Mandrake or another distribute you may want
to use the source package.

(People usually at least know which distro they have. It's usually
pretty clear because of the big  bright logo at boot. :) )

This can be followed by the language selection box.

Then by 2 checkboxes.
-64bit
-torrent

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

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On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Stefan Weigel
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am 08.12.2010 15:11, schrieb Samuel Gómez:
>
>> Now, what about this:
>>
>> If system detection successes, the system prompts a listbox with:
>> - Windows
>> - Mac x86
>> - Mac PPC
>> - Linux x86 rpm
>> - Linux x86 deb
>> - Linux 64 bit rpm
>> - Linux 64 bit deb
>>
>> And the right listbox is pre-selected.
>
> That´s fine. That´s waht we already have.
>
>> Else, if Linux is detected but not the distro, the system prompts a
>> different listbox and a link.
>>
>> The listbox is:
>> - Debian
>> - Fedora
>> - Mandriva
>> - Mint
>> - PCLinuxOS
>> - Ubuntu
>> - openSUSE
>>
>> The link is:
>> - Show other versions.
>>
>> "Show other versions" leads to the first listbox, but with no
>> pre-selected option.
>
> I would never consider showing a selection of distros Debian,
> Fedora, Mandriva, Mint, PCLinuxOS, Ubuntu, openSUSE rather than a
> selection of package types Windows, Mac x86, Mac PPC, Linux x86 rpm,
> Linux x86 deb, Linux 64 bit rpm, Linux 64 bit deb.
>
> But, is that necessary? How often will it be, that the distro will
> not be detected? And how often will it be, that the distro will not
> be detected *and* the user will not know himself what package type
> to choose?

That's the question.

I think we have to know whether there are popular distros out there
not identifying themselves through the browsers of their repositories.

If there are not, people with no distro in the user agent probably
will have installed the browser themselves, so they will probably know
which package they need.

But if there are, then the distro selector becomes significantly useful.



>
> A user, who does not know, if she needs rpm oder deb, is such a user
> able to install the software herself, anyway?
>
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Stefan Weigel]

Hi,

Am 08.12.2010 15:11, schrieb Samuel Gómez:

> Now, what about this:
> 
> If system detection successes, the system prompts a listbox with:
> - Windows
> - Mac x86
> - Mac PPC
> - Linux x86 rpm
> - Linux x86 deb
> - Linux 64 bit rpm
> - Linux 64 bit deb
> 
> And the right listbox is pre-selected.

That´s fine. That´s waht we already have.

> Else, if Linux is detected but not the distro, the system prompts a
> different listbox and a link.
> 
> The listbox is:
> - Debian
> - Fedora
> - Mandriva
> - Mint
> - PCLinuxOS
> - Ubuntu
> - openSUSE
> 
> The link is:
> - Show other versions.
> 
> "Show other versions" leads to the first listbox, but with no
> pre-selected option.

I would never consider showing a selection of distros Debian,
Fedora, Mandriva, Mint, PCLinuxOS, Ubuntu, openSUSE rather than a
selection of package types Windows, Mac x86, Mac PPC, Linux x86 rpm,
Linux x86 deb, Linux 64 bit rpm, Linux 64 bit deb.

But, is that necessary? How often will it be, that the distro will
not be detected? And how often will it be, that the distro will not
be detected *and* the user will not know himself what package type
to choose?

A user, who does not know, if she needs rpm oder deb, is such a user
able to install the software herself, anyway?

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

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On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Christian Lohmaier
 wrote:
> Hi Samuel, *,
>
> 2010/12/8 Samuel Gómez :
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Christian Lohmaier
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3
>>
>> That solution simply pre-selects rpm;
>
> No - it just defaults to rpm when no decision could be made.

I did not explain well.

Carlos said:
> when not detected the
> Script should prompt the user to select the distro, as the Banshee site
> does, and the Opera one too.

Then you said:
my solution (and the one from
Stefan before) already does that from the very beginning.

And I wanted to say:
When not detected,
http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3
simply pre-selects rpm.


>
>>  does not prompt the user to
>> select the distro.
>
> It does the same as the Opera page does: Tries to guess the right
> thing, but still offers the user to choose.
> Opera page wrongly detects ubuntu deb (I'm on Mandriva and thus rpm),
> but lets me choose mandriva with the controls. The same with the
> downloadpage.
>
> I surely don't want a popup-style prompt to force the user click a
> dialog away or something.

Me neither. btw I don't think Carlos meant pop-up when he said "prompt".

Now, what about this:

If system detection successes, the system prompts a listbox with:
- Windows
- Mac x86
- Mac PPC
- Linux x86 rpm
- Linux x86 deb
- Linux 64 bit rpm
- Linux 64 bit deb

And the right listbox is pre-selected.

Else, if Linux is detected but not the distro, the system prompts a
different listbox and a link.

The listbox is:
- Debian
- Fedora
- Mandriva
- Mint
- PCLinuxOS
- Ubuntu
- openSUSE

The link is:
- Show other versions.

"Show other versions" leads to the first listbox, but with no
pre-selected option.



>
> What the page doesn't do yet, is to check for iceweasel explicitly.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

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Hi Samuel, *,

2010/12/8 Samuel Gómez :
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Christian Lohmaier
>  wrote:
>>
>> http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3
>
> That solution simply pre-selects rpm;

No - it just defaults to rpm when no decision could be made.

>  does not prompt the user to
> select the distro.

It does the same as the Opera page does: Tries to guess the right
thing, but still offers the user to choose.
Opera page wrongly detects ubuntu deb (I'm on Mandriva and thus rpm),
but lets me choose mandriva with the controls. The same with the
downloadpage.

I surely don't want a popup-style prompt to force the user click a
dialog away or something.

What the page doesn't do yet, is to check for iceweasel explicitly.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

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On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Stefan Weigel
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Am 08.12.2010 14:15, schrieb Samuel Gómez:
>>
>>> http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3
>>
>> That solution simply pre-selects rpm; does not prompt the user to
>> select the distro.
>
> Well it does something automatically. When I visit
> http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3 with Ubuntu it correctly
> preselects
>
> Linux x86 (deb) de
>
> and when I visit it with Windows, it correctly preselects Windows.
>
> However, if I want to download the packages for a different system,
> I am free to select what I want.
>
> I am fine.

What Carlos and me would like is to prompt a distro selector on the
scenarios when Linux is detected but not the distro.

See the attached drawing.



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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Stefan Weigel]

Hi,


Am 08.12.2010 14:15, schrieb Samuel Gómez:
>
>> http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3
> 
> That solution simply pre-selects rpm; does not prompt the user to
> select the distro.

Well it does something automatically. When I visit
http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3 with Ubuntu it correctly
preselects

Linux x86 (deb) de

and when I visit it with Windows, it correctly preselects Windows.

However, if I want to download the packages for a different system,
I am free to select what I want.

I am fine.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Samuel Gómez]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Christian Lohmaier
 wrote:
> Hi Carol
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Carlos Jenkins  wrote:
>>
>> Well, as I suggested before and Sed did it again, when not detected the
>> Script should prompt the user to select the distro, as the Banshee site
>> does, and the Opera one too.
>
> I give you the same advice that you were giving me: Read throught the
> thread, then you'd have known that my solution (and the one from
> Stefan before) already does that from the very beginning.
>
> http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3

That solution simply pre-selects rpm; does not prompt the user to
select the distro.

However surely it can be improved to do so.



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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Carol

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Carlos Jenkins  wrote:
>
> Well, as I suggested before and Sed did it again, when not detected the
> Script should prompt the user to select the distro, as the Banshee site
> does, and the Opera one too.

I give you the same advice that you were giving me: Read throught the
thread, then you'd have known that my solution (and the one from
Stefan before) already does that from the very beginning.

http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

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2010/12/8 Christian Lohmaier

>

> Hi Carol, *.
>
Hi Christian. Is Carlos, thanks.


> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:13 AM, Carlos Jenkins 
> wrote:
> > Again, for Christian:
> >
> > [Debian] Chrome
>
> Chrome is not default browser in debian. It's not even in official
> repositories.
> (at least I couldn't find it at packages.debian.org

http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/chromium-browser

They use the same User
Agent, that's why I said Chrome.


> > [Debian] Iceweasel
>
> Iceweasel is debian only anyway. No rpm based distro has a browser
> named "iceweasel"
>
> That it isn't taking iceweasel into account yet is a minor flaw in the
> script, and then even cuts more share of deb away from the
> "undetected" ones.
>
That a proposal, bravo.

Well, as I suggested before and Sed did it again, when not detected the
Script should prompt the user to select the distro, as the Banshee site
does, and the Opera one too.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Carol, *.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:13 AM, Carlos Jenkins  wrote:
> Again, for Christian:
>
> [Debian] Chrome

Chrome is not default browser in debian. It's not even in official repositories.
(at least I couldn't find it at packages.debian.org

> [Debian] Iceweasel

Iceweasel is debian only anyway. No rpm based distro has a browser
named "iceweasel"

That it isn't taking iceweasel into account yet is a minor flaw in the
script, and then even cuts more share of deb away from the
"undetected" ones.

> [Ubuntu] SeaMonkey

Wow, what a deal. You found corner cases of users not using the
default browser(s) of the distro. There will *always* be exceptions of
the rule

But again those cases are irrelevant when writing "The whole world
uses ubuntu, thus the fallbacks hould be deb".

Those who use ubuntu, use vast majority of those at least use the
default browser in ubuntu which identifies itself as being ubuntu.

The examples you give only state that:
Debian users who use chrome are not detected (but honestly, how many
debian users will use chrome?)
Ubuntu users who use Seamonkey will not be detected. But again: How
big is the share of Seamonkey users of all ubuntu users?

And: Don't you think that people who're not using the browser that is
installed by default, even go to the point in adding extra
repositories to their system are advanced enough to manually select
the package format?

Again: Only the unclear case counts. And if Ubuntu and debian users
can easily be detected (when using default browsers), than those
users, no matter how much, don't come into the equation anymore. As
simple as that.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Seb]

Hi,
Sorry I just joined and probably missed half this discussion.

Wouldn't it be acceptable to have a page similar to the opera
(http://www.opera.com/browser/download/) download page and when the
page can detect you distro it focuses the drop down to you distro. If
it cannot identify it just focuses the menu to please select you
distribution.

The the second drop down for 32 or 64bit.

cheers,
Seb.


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Carlos Jenkins  wrote:
> Again, for Christian:
>
> [Debian] Chrome
>
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.3 (KHTML, like
> Gecko) Chrome/6.0.472.63 Safari/534.3
>
> [Debian] Iceweasel
>
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; es-AR; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101028
> Iceweasel/3.5.15 (like Firefox/3.5.15)
>
> [Ubuntu] SeaMonkey
>
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027
> SeaMonkey/2.0.10
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Carlos Jenkins]

Again, for Christian:

[Debian] Chrome

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.3 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Chrome/6.0.472.63 Safari/534.3

[Debian] Iceweasel

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; es-AR; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101028
Iceweasel/3.5.15 (like Firefox/3.5.15)

[Ubuntu] SeaMonkey

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027
SeaMonkey/2.0.10

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

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2010/12/7 Christian Lohmaier

>
>
>  > http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity
>
> distrowatch is hardly representative.

Well, what do you propose to base in?


>
> > Put Mint, Ubuntu and Debian and you have the bigger chunk.
>
> Ubuntu and debian identify themselves, so what remains?
>
That's not true, and already discussed on this threat. I'm on Debian and my
user agent doesn't include nothing about Debian, please put
more attention to the thread the next time before talking.

Just look at the default browser in ubuntu or debian: The user agent
> string is modified to contain ubuntu/debian. Thus all that
> "statistics" is void, as it is not relevant for the decistion it is
> used as argument for.
>
Again, you're wrong. Not all the browser from Ubuntu displays the User agent
with "Ubuntu".


> Even if the distrowatch statistics would reflect the real user
> distribution, the biggest hunk of Ubuntu already is out of the
> question - and the bias strongs shifts towards rpm.

You're just saying so but not providing any option, you just like to have
RPM without any basis.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

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2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez :
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Sigrid Carrera
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez :
>>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Jenkins 
>>> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/client-test.html
>>
>> I went to this website, clicked on the demo button and the
>> recommendation for me was deb/x86.
>> The architecture was correct, but since I'm using Mandriva, deb isn't
>> the right choice for me.
>
> Try this:
> http://www.opera.com/browser/download/?ver=11.00b1
>
> If it detects Mandriva I'll crazy go nuts.
>
> For me is detecting Ubuntu but I don't know why. I'd say it guesses.
>
>

I see the action is taken server-side because the HTML is served with
the Ubuntu item already selected.

But the issue remains the same. Browsers don't tell servers more than
the user-agent, the accepted languages, some cookies, and several
other things independent from the OS.



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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Sigrid Carrera
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez :
>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Jenkins wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/client-test.html
>
> I went to this website, clicked on the demo button and the
> recommendation for me was deb/x86.
> The architecture was correct, but since I'm using Mandriva, deb isn't
> the right choice for me.

Try this:
http://www.opera.com/browser/download/?ver=11.00b1

If it detects Mandriva I'll crazy go nuts.

For me is detecting Ubuntu but I don't know why. I'd say it guesses.



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> I'm using chromium browser if this is important.
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Samuel Gómez]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Christian Lohmaier <
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com >wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Carlos Jenkins 
> wrote:
> > 2010/12/7 Christian Lohmaier
> > 
> 
> >
> > What statistics please?
> >
> > http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity
>
> distrowatch is hardly representative.
>
> > Put Mint, Ubuntu and Debian and you have the bigger chunk.
>
> Ubuntu and debian identify themselves, so what remains?
>
> >  Even if overall downloads would be more deb than rpm, then those with
> >>
> > "unknown" system would be rpm in majority,
> >
> > You're based on what to say that?
>
> Just look at the default browser in ubuntu or debian: The user agent
> string is modified to contain ubuntu/debian. Thus all that
> "statistics" is void, as it is not relevant for the decistion it is
> used as argument for.
>
> Even if the distrowatch statistics would reflect the real user
> distribution, the biggest hunk of Ubuntu already is out of the
> question - and the bias strongs shifts towards rpm.
>
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I think the question is: which among {deb, rpm} is the package format most
frequent among users unable to detect a wrong recommendation AND using
browsers that do not report the distro?

For simplification, I'm assuming deb and rpm package manager availability is
mutually exclusive.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Carlos Jenkins  wrote:
> 2010/12/7 Christian Lohmaier
> 
> What statistics please?
>
> http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity

distrowatch is hardly representative.

> Put Mint, Ubuntu and Debian and you have the bigger chunk.

Ubuntu and debian identify themselves, so what remains?

>  Even if overall downloads would be more deb than rpm, then those with
>>
> "unknown" system would be rpm in majority,
>
> You're based on what to say that?

Just look at the default browser in ubuntu or debian: The user agent
string is modified to contain ubuntu/debian. Thus all that
"statistics" is void, as it is not relevant for the decistion it is
used as argument for.

Even if the distrowatch statistics would reflect the real user
distribution, the biggest hunk of Ubuntu already is out of the
question - and the bias strongs shifts towards rpm.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Carlos Jenkins]

2010/12/7 Christian Lohmaier

>

> Hi Carlos, *,

Hi Christian,

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.2 (KHTML, like Gecko)
Chrome/6.0.454.0 Safari/534.2

What statistics please?
>
Again,

http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity

Put Mint, Ubuntu and Debian and you have the bigger chunk.

 Even if overall downloads would be more deb than rpm, then those with
>
"unknown" system would be rpm in majority,

You're based on what to say that?

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Sigrid Carrera]

Hi,


2010/12/7 Christian Lohmaier :
> Hi Carlos, *,
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Carlos Jenkins  wrote:
>> 2010/12/7 Christian Lohmaier
>> 
>>> 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez :
>>> > [...]

[...]

>> A lot of Distros and configuration doesn't show the Distro, so, why RPM?
>
> Because those that do, are debian based.

Please don't start a "religious" rpm/deb war.
Clearly, my user agent doesn't state the distro either, and mine isn't
deb-based. :)

>> As
>> Samuel stated, based on statistics, the more common is DEB,
>
> What statistics please?
>
>> so let put the
>> default the DEB one.
>
> Even if overall downloads would be more deb than rpm, then those with
> "unknown" system would be rpm in majority, as debian rebrands firefox,
> etc, and ubuntu also modifies user-agent string. RPM based distros
> usually don't.

I don't mind having the script default to deb, as long as I have the
option to choose a different version to download. :)

I think I am capable enough to decide which package to download for
installation.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Carlos, *,

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Carlos Jenkins  wrote:
> 2010/12/7 Christian Lohmaier
> 
>> 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez :
>> > [...]
>> > What's your user agent? (you'll find it under "It works based on your
>> user
>> > agent string, which in your case is")
>>
>> Change the default to rpm instead of deb, that should give more
>> suitable fallback anyway.
>>
> A lot of Distros and configuration doesn't show the Distro, so, why RPM?

Because those that do, are debian based.

> As
> Samuel stated, based on statistics, the more common is DEB,

What statistics please?

> so let put the
> default the DEB one.

Even if overall downloads would be more deb than rpm, then those with
"unknown" system would be rpm in majority, as debian rebrands firefox,
etc, and ubuntu also modifies user-agent string. RPM based distros
usually don't.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Carlos Jenkins]

2010/12/7 Christian Lohmaier

>

> Hi Samuel, *,
>
> 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez :
> > [...]
> > What's your user agent? (you'll find it under "It works based on your
> user
> > agent string, which in your case is")
>
> Change the default to rpm instead of deb, that should give more
> suitable fallback anyway.
>
A lot of Distros and configuration doesn't show the Distro, so, why RPM? As
Samuel stated, based on statistics, the more common is DEB, so let put the
default the DEB one.

But what about this:

When no distro is detected, let the user choose if RMP, DEB or source
Tarball. Just like the Banshee people does:

http://banshee.fm/download/

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Samuel, *,

2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez :
> [...]
> What's your user agent? (you'll find it under "It works based on your user
> agent string, which in your case is")

Change the default to rpm instead of deb, that should give more
suitable fallback anyway.

https://test.libreoffice.org/download-3/

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Samuel Gómez]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Sigrid Carrera <
sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi Samuel,
>
> 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez :
> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Sigrid Carrera <
> > sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez :
> >> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Jenkins <
> hastciber...@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> > http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/client-test.html
> >>
> >> I went to this website, clicked on the demo button and the
> >> recommendation for me was deb/x86.
> >> The architecture was correct, but since I'm using Mandriva, deb isn't
> >> the right choice for me.
> >>
> >> I'm using chromium browser if this is important.
> >>
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > What's your user agent? (you'll find it under "It works based on your
> user
> > agent string, which in your case is")
>
> I just copied the whole line:
>

(yes yes)


>
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.2 (KHTML, like
> Gecko) Chrome/6.0.454.0 Safari/534.2
>

OK. There it is. From  your user agent we can say you are using linux 32 bit
but not which distro. For this scenario the function "guesses Ubuntu", so it
returns 'deb'.

The decision of guessing Ubuntu is purely statistical. Not religious. ;D

How could we gather more clues about the distro for these scenarios? If only
I knew.




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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Sigrid Carrera]

Hi Samuel,

2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez :
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Sigrid Carrera <
> sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez :
>> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Jenkins > >wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/client-test.html
>>
>> I went to this website, clicked on the demo button and the
>> recommendation for me was deb/x86.
>> The architecture was correct, but since I'm using Mandriva, deb isn't
>> the right choice for me.
>>
>> I'm using chromium browser if this is important.
>>
>
> Thank you!
>
> What's your user agent? (you'll find it under "It works based on your user
> agent string, which in your case is")

I just copied the whole line:

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.2 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Chrome/6.0.454.0 Safari/534.2

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Carlos Jenkins]

2010/12/7 Sigrid Carrera 

> Hi,
>
> 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez :
> > http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/client-test.html
>
Thanks Samuel.


>  I went to this website, clicked on the demo button and the
> recommendation for me was deb/x86.
> The architecture was correct, but since I'm using Mandriva, deb isn't
> the right choice for me.
>
> I'm using chromium browser if this is important.

Thanks Sigrid, could you provide the User Agent listed on that page please,
just after "It works based on your user agent string, which in your case
is "

My recommendation was x86/deb so everything is ok, both on Chromium and
Firefox

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