Re: Maybe it's time to say goodbye to start.fedoraproject.org?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:53:01PM +0300, Elad Alfassa wrote: Generally, the start page was designed to somehow be a gateway for Fedora to encourage people to participate and contribute. But I'm not sure if it really works. The web stats for Fedora Magazine show start.fpo as our top referrer after search engines (in aggregate) and fedoraproject.org itself. It looks like a lot of people are using it and I'd hate to cut that off. I think a redesign might be in order, though. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites Mo is actually working on some mockups for a redesign right now, after a short discussion we had about this on IRC. We are making some progress. If it doesn't work well we could have Fedora Magazine as the default homepage. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Maybe it's time to say goodbye to start.fedoraproject.org?
Hello Websites and Desktop lists. I think it's time we drop our usage of start.fedoraproject.org as the default start page for Firefox in Fedora and simply use the firefox about:home page as the default starting page for the browser. What do you think? Generally, the start page was designed to somehow be a gateway for Fedora to encourage people to participate and contribute. But I'm not sure if it really works. Reasons why I think it's time for this page to go: * We got numerous of complaints about inappropriate planet fedora posts that appeared there. Having contributor-generated content in the start page seems like a bad idea in hindsight. Most of the Planet posts are also not very relevant (or inviting) for people who are not already part of the community. * The design is a bit too simplistic, yet since the current design was introduced nobody had the time/energy/will to think of / implement anything better. To be frank, it's kinda ugly - and I think I'm allowed to say this because I'm the one who implemented (and if I recall correctly, also designed it). * Our main goal used to be gaining contributors and getting people involved with the project. While this goal still remains intact, it's no longer our main driving force (at least for the Wrokstation product), but rather build the best OS for software developers - as such it would be better if the start page would be actually *usable* for our target audience. Gaining contributors remains a goal, but it shouldn't affect our UI/UX decisions. fwiw it's not the first time I've suggested the removal of this page. I want input on this from both Desktop and Websites before I file a bug for the Firefox package to drop this default. Of course we will have to have start.fedoraproject.org online still for at least another cycle, because people might still have it as their homepage (I've seen a few, they don't really look at the page and just go to the address bar directly). We could, for example, replace it with some sort of contributor hub page with resources, workflows and practical guides on how to get involved for new contributors (ie. reuse the start.fpo name, *not* use a contributor hub as a homepage) but I don't know if anyone has the time, energy and will to implement and maintain such thing. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Maybe it's time to say goodbye to start.fedoraproject.org?
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Zachary Snyder sa...@fedoraproject.org wrote: One thing i know #! (a Debian variant) does with their firefox is they configure it so that it has the bookmarks bar filled with links to the project homepage, about page, and community page. Maybe thats something we could do as an alternative if we do decide to get rid of start.fredoraproject.org? We already do that. Also, next time please use Reply to All to reply on-list so other people will see your comment too. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Maybe it's time to say goodbye to start.fedoraproject.org?
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Benjamin Kerensa bkere...@gmail.com wrote: If you did use the default about:home this would also help support your upstream partner Mozilla who gains some revenue from search. As far as I know Fedora does not generate any revenue for upstream while distros like Ubuntu does. Obviously that revenue is really important and helps Mozilla cover its operating costs. Sure, and I'm sure all of us in Fedora value Mozilla's contribution to our ecosystem and the open web, but having about:home by default might be problematic as it conflicts with our values of FOSS - it basically promotes and endorses Google, a thing that is morally questionable and that I'm not even sure if we are legally allowed to do. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: the inverted question mark on the fedoraproject start page is backwards and it looks weird
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 3:23 PM, David Shea ds...@redhat.com wrote: If fontmatrix can be trusted (I don't really know what a good way to view arbitrary characters in a font file is), this particular font renders an inverted question mark as open on the left, while the Cantarell Regular I have on my system renders it as open on the right. Seems that the version of Cantarell we use as a webfont is outdated. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Homepage misses search field and visible wiki link
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Honza Horak hho...@redhat.com wrote: Hi guys, mostly as UX-beginner I dare to propose the following changes on the Fedora Project homepage (http://fedoraproject.org): * include a search field for wiki with proper text like: Search wiki pages: [] [go] (well, ideally it would search for everything, like packages, builds, services, doc, wiki pages, ...; but I know it would need too much work) * add one more link to the wiki somewhere more visible than only in the footer (I believe I'm not the only one who doesn't remember the wiki url and returns to the wiki very often through the homepage) Regards, Honza -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites Hi. I don't think it's a good idea. The wiki is not for users, it's for contributors. Most of it will be really confusing for users. We do have a link to the wiki near the header, it's called Contributors cause the wiki is for contributors. A more prominent wiki link would probably fit as part of the new hub.fpo contributor hub idea. Regarding search, there has been plans for years to have a search system for the entire fedora ecosystem, unfortunately nobody ever implemented that and I don't think anyone is working on that. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Homepage misses search field and visible wiki link
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Honza Horak hho...@redhat.com wrote: I don't agree that wiki is for contributors only, not even mostly for contributors. There is a lot valid information for users as well. We discussed this in length when we worked on the last website redesign (I think it was f14 or f13. long time ago)... I don't remember all the arguments for and against, but this was agreed in collaboration with the Fedora design team. So why not to add a simple Search wiki for now and change it if anyone comes with a better solution? If it was just another release, I'd say bring this up in the design list, but it isn't: we are reworking all Fedora Project websites from the ground up for Fedora.Next: now is not the time for changes in the current version of the website. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: request to change the design of a page.
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Ramasubramaniam ramtheoracledevelo...@yahoo.in wrote: sir,Myself R.Ramasubramaniam who is an final year in BE.CSE (8th sem).Here i texts some of the corrections to be changed. The webpage start.fedoraproject.org looks not so colorfull.I requested to change the design of a page .the design may be the use of css(Cascade Style sheet),HTML(Hyper text mark up language) and Php(HYper text Pre-processor). For ex:the pages could be seperated by frames(frameset rows=50%,*frameset cols=*,*) and the mailing list others (as you specified at the bottom of the page )could be placed in either of the frames .The updates and latest announcement could be mentioned by the use of marque tag(marque./marque). and finally the usefull links can be defined by hint as clicked.For ex:when the user clicks join FedoraJoin in our community. Similarly you can use of more linux based images .Please Dont use bullets ,expect use the foraml links. Iam expecting your feedback.If any doubt mail me to: Ramasubramaniam :ramtheoracledevelo...@yahoo.in Thank you, R.Ramasubramaniam, 91 8056653179 -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites Hi. I will not make those changes. The lack of vibrant colors is a design choice for this page. We are well aware of various web technologies, and we used some of the technologies you mentioned (as every other website on the internet does). frames and marquee are obsolete and will never be used in our website, nor do they solve any issue that may exist with that page. A moving marquee is also a very bad design choice for this type of page, as it is distracting, hard to read and serves no actual need. If you have an actual reason to believe the design of the page needs to be changed, feel free to start a discussion in the design team mailing list at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Make doesn't seem to make work
make make test it'll start a local webserver for testing on (iirc) port 5000. On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Matthew Dittmer dittmer.matt...@gmail.com wrote: Team, I noticed that make only gives me a page with links instead of the pages. Do you have advice on how I can fix this issue? Thank you, Matt -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: ticket #218
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.comwrote: On Nov 12, 2013 6:17 AM, Elad Alfassa e...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I'm not so keen on promoting BitTorrent (the software, not the protocol) since it's non-free and has ads. Perhaps we should promote Deluge instead? it's FOSS and it works on Windows, Linux and Mac (as opposed to Transmission which is also awesome but is only for Linux and Mac) Even utorrent is better than it. But the main concern is, do we need to add columns for people coming from different os? What about if people coming from Unix? utorrent also has ads and is nonfree. I don't want to promote that. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: ticket #218
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Janez Nemanič janez.nema...@gmail.comwrote: While checking the websites, I found http://www.bittorrent.com/download/and BitTorrent? client software is available for Windows, Mac OS, Linux, and many other operating systems. This in spins.fpo. I'm not so keen on promoting BitTorrent (the software, not the protocol) since it's non-free and has ads. Perhaps we should promote Deluge instead? it's FOSS and it works on Windows, Linux and Mac (as opposed to Transmission which is also awesome but is only for Linux and Mac) -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Tutorial promoted on website is out of date, doesn't work
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:06:55 -0400 Steve Harclerode hark...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Right-click on an empty area of your desktop. 2. Click on the *Create Launcher* item in the desktop right-click menu. But right-clicking on the desktop, I only have options of Settings or Change Background I see create launcher. F20.xfce -- Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites But not on GNOME. GNOME is the default, so tutorials on the website should be relevant to GNOME. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Blog posts not showing on the planet
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 17:17 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Its getting the following error: ERROR:planet.runner:Error 406 while updating feed http://ankursinha.in/blog/category/fedora/feed/ Yikes! The feed works. Hrm. I have no idea what that means. ;) I couldn't find anything on the web either :/ A HTTP 406 error is a Not acceptable error. I'm not sure if that's what the planet error is referring to, though. http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html Anything else change on that host/site? Not really. A word press upgrade maybe, but that shouldn't break anything IMO. Looks like it's been getting the error earlier too. I see my blog listed here also.[1] I rechecked and the feed URL is correct[2]. I'll try another one and see if the error persists. (Maybe planet doesn't like a certain kind of feed URL?): http://www.ankursinha.in/blog/?cat=fedorafeed=rss2 [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3617 [2] http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Feeds -- Thanks, Warm regards, Ankur (FranciscoD) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha Join Fedora! Come talk to us! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites It probably means that the Planet sends an Accept, Accept-Langauge or Accept-Encoding header that your server won't accept. I'd need to see the request and response headers to know for sure, but I think it might have to do with gzip compression. perhaps your webserver forces gzip and the planet doesn't send Accept-Encoding: gzip? -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Introduction to OpenID Specifications
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Patrick Uiterwijk puiterw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hello everyone, This email serves as a notice as of what I will be doing on the fedoraproject.org website, and a request. My name is Patrick Uiterwijk, and I am a member of the Fedora Infrastructure team. Currently, I am working on an OpenID provider implementation for the Fedora Account System to use as single-sign-on service for all of our applications. As the base OpenID specification lacks some features we need for this, I have been specifying extensions for this protocol. To be fully compatible with the base specification and to promote their usage by other OpenID providers/clients, I will be placing these specifications on http://fedoraproject.org/specs/openid/. These specifications will be published as both HTML and TXT files, and there is no need for any translations for these files. My request to you is to not move these files to a different URL or modify them without explicit approval from me. You can find me on IRC (nick puiterwijk, mostly active in #fedora-admin, #fedora-apps and #fedora-noc) or email (puiterw...@fedoraproject.org). Thanks in advance, Patrick Uiterwijk -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites I personally think the Wiki is a better place for such content. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Text on start.fedoraproject.org
2012/12/10 A.Reznik m...@antonreznik.ru Hey guys, i'm translated some english text on page http://start.fedoraproject.** org/ru/ http://start.fedoraproject.org/ru/ into russian. Useful Links = Полезные ссылки Stay up to date — subscribe! = Будьте в курсе — подпишитесь! Red Hat, Inc. and others. = Red Hat, Inc. и другие. Please send any comments or corrections to the websites team. = Пожалуйста, присылайте любые комментарии и исправления команде веб-сайтов. Legal = Правовая информация Trademark Guidelines = Использование товарного знака -- With best regards, Anton Reznik. m...@antonreznik.ru http://antonreznik.ru/ -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.**org websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.**org/mailman/listinfo/websiteshttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites Hi. We don't accept translations via email, but don't worry, your contribution is still useful! Our translations are being managed by Transifex on https://fedora.transifex.net/ You should probably talk for our translators team via https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans or the Russian translation team via https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans-ru -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Keith Watchey search project
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Tom Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/14/2012 11:22 AM, Laura Littleton wrote: Hello Webmaster team, I was contacted by a Keith Watchey who is desperately trying to get to the bottom of why his name is showing up on one of the Fedora Project hosted sites. Any chance that someone can let me know who would be able to handle something like this? Is there another Fedora core team that might be a better fit for this type of trouble shooting? Here is the information that he sent to me. It seems that the events unfolded as such: 1. his name came up on a search. 2. he contacted the guy who told him That is a test page included with our operating system; we don't actually control the site in question. For more information, please refer tohttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage. To determine the actual owner, you should do a whois lookup of the domain. 3. He contacted a company called Mail Logic (mark mail) who pointed him back to Fedora. 4. He called Red Hat. I have some of the more detailed information, but didn't want to cloud up this e-mail until I was able to get in touch with the right person. Laura, I'd be happy to talk to Keith. ~tom == Fedora Project -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites I assume you are referring to this incident? https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/websites/2012-February/010061.html When someone sends us an email, it's get archived automatically in our publicly available archives, which are being mirrored all across the web. We have no control over these mirrors, but it seems that we have deleted every mail he sent us from our own archives upon his request. Can you please provide a link to a specific page where this name is listed, so that if it's under our control we can get it removed? -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Misspelling in fedoraproject.org/sv
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Alle X allejo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I noticed this misspelling in fedoraproject.org/sv a week ago, and it seems like it's still there: Behöver du *hjölp*? Få det här. It should say *Behöver du hjälp?* Thought I'd just tell you in case you haven't noticed. /Alex -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites Hi, thanks for reporting this. I'll forward it to the translators' mailing list. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Landing page for apps.fedoraproject.org
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Ralph Bean rb...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 08:47:09PM +0200, Elad Alfassa wrote: I still don't think it fits in that category. Which category do you think it fits in? either community or new people. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Landing page for apps.fedoraproject.org
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Ralph Bean rb...@redhat.com wrote: Hello, I made a landing page for apps.fedoraproject.org. Draft - http://threebean.org/apps.fp.o/ I was wondering if I could get some feedback on it. Should it be changed? Should it be scrapped? The source is on github if you'd like to make changes yourself -- you can submit changes directly in the web interface there. http://github.com/ralphbean/apps.fp.o/ -Ralph -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites It's nice, but the icons could use a bit of tweaking (gnu icon doesn't represent mailing lists, for example)... and maybe we could have bugzilla there too? -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: About start.fedoraproject.org
On Oct 22, 2012 7:07 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hi Elad, On Sat, 2012-10-20 at 18:47 +0200, Elad Alfassa wrote: * Could you add Ask Fedora in there somewhere? A list of questions/answers might be a good idea. I don't think this is something fit for a start page. Are you sure about this? I think our main audience for start.fpo are folks who have just installed Fedora to learn more about it, in which case pointing them to a good place to get help (I think ask.fpo is a good place) would be helpful and on-target. Are you thinking of a different primary use case? ~m -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites We already have links to get-help and ask.fpo. I wouldn't want to show a question feed on the startpage, tho, because I don't think greeting users with list of problems with Fedora is a good thing. (replying via mobile, still offline for the rest of the week due to personal reasons, sigh) -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: About start.fedoraproject.org
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Renich Bon Ciric ren...@woralelandia.comwrote: Hello guys, Congratulations on the new start page. I'd like to suggest: * Could you add Ask Fedora in there somewhere? A list of questions/answers might be a good idea. I don't think this is something fit for a start page. * Links to: * FAS login (valid for all the fedoraproject.org domains) * bodhi * koji I think people who needs these know where to find them * Fedora Community Yes, that link should be there * Forum The forum is not official, so I don't think it's good if we link to it in the official start page * Social links (google+, identi.ca, etc) I really don't want to add too many links to the start page, I would like the list to be as short and relevant as possible. Well, those are my suggestions. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites Thanks for your feedback! -- -Elad Alfassa, the guy who did the start.fedoraproject.org re-design -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Start.fpo redesign - feedback required (mockup)
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:46 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 02:31:30AM +0200, Elad Alfassa wrote: I was trying to keep it simplistic and light. Yeah, and I appreciate that. But I wonder if we can do that while being a bit less monochromatic? Anyway, implementation is in staging now: http://start.stg.fedoraproject.org/ Further feedback appriciated. A concrete suggestion is to make the third column something other than Useful links. Maybe break it up into two sections, Get Help and Join Fedora? Actually, now that I'm looking, aren't the main things there duplicates with the panda links below? Yes, indeed. I want to change that... Perhaps move the pandas, or only keep one of them. I'm comparing the proposed page to the current start page, and with the exception of the pandas replacing the big-block-of-links-no-one-will-use at the bottom, I kinda feel like the original is more friendly and inviting. And really, I like http://fedoraproject.org/ better than both. While I'm not totally convinced we need a search field on the new page, the thing I like about it on the old one is that it tells you what to do, with a big, bold, visually clear indicator. The new page doesn't have anything that draws my attention in particular, and so my eyes wander around until they eventually land on the helpful pandas. The main Fedora page is rather busy, but the freedom/friends/features/first logos draw my attention down from the rotating banners, and I eventually settle on Need help? / About Fedora / Join us -- which I guess is kind of what the pandas say too, but they use more words. What if we took the section of http://fedoraproject.org/ with the Need help bar and What makes Fedora great? and made that be the start page, with nothing at all above it (and no sidebar on the right?). Replace Fedora Highlights with Fedora News and put the Planet + Announcements there. And then finish with the pandas. See attached html for a rough idea. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org One thing you forget is that people who see start.fedoraproject.org have already installed Fedora, you don't need to convince them it is great. What you do want is to present them with useful information and updates they might need. And they will probably choose a different homepage, but -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Start.fpo redesign - feedback required (mockup)
On Oct 11, 2012 10:31 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 03:33:28PM +0200, Elad Alfassa wrote: * The search bar is unnecessary: You can use the browser address bar/search box to search the web. Not having a search bar also removes the conflict of having a closed source search engine in our official homepage I feel like we should do some counting on whether people use the current search bar before removing it. I agree that it's in theory unnecessary, but people may actually like and use it. Well, my short user survey showed most people don't use it. [0] http://elad.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo_mockup/start.fpo-mockup.png I think some more color wuold be nice, a la the main http://fedoraproject.org/ site. I was trying to keep it simplistic and light. Anyway, implementation is in staging now: http://start.stg.fedoraproject.org/ Further feedback appriciated. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Start.fpo redesign - feedback required (mockup)
So I've been working on a start.fpo redesign, after discussing it in this list (websites), the desktop list, the #fedora-design and #fedora-websites IRC channels, and (as an experiment) in the Fedora community subreddit. Using all the feedback I gathered, I present you how I think the page should look like [0] (forgive my poor inkscape skills that made things not quite aligned) Points to remember: * The search bar is unnecessary: You can use the browser address bar/search box to search the web. Not having a search bar also removes the conflict of having a closed source search engine in our official homepage * Statistics from various bloggers and users suggests people use and like the planet feed in the homepage, so it's here to stay. * Announcements are useful, but we will remove devel-announce from the homepage so not to confuse the average user with developer related stuff. * Links on how to get help, wiki, and docs should be easy to find, therefor they gained their place on the right side of the page * Pandas are great. [0] http://elad.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo_mockup/start.fpo-mockup.png -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Drop start.fedoraproject.org in favour of about:home
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.comwrote: But lets look at the current one first. What's in: 1. search -- superfluous, current web browsers have search integrated in their UIs and in my experience people use it True. Furthermore having a Google powered search as a fedora branded page doesn't really fit with the project values, because Google is not open source. 2. fedora planet posts -- that's what default configs of rss readers should include, why duplicating it in a web browser? Excellent point. Plus, we have the planet in the default bookmark set 3. announcements -- well this one's hard, the mailing list probably does not have a rss feed, or does it? Actually, every mailing list has an RSS feed, that's how we get the announcements on start.fpo :) 4. a bunch of links -- can be better managed with initial speed dial config Or better set of default bookmarks. Furthermore, since major players in the browser feed are already using speed dial (chrome by default, firefox for new tabs), people are most likely used to that. There's only one thing that bugs me a little. One of the biggest sources of traffic on my blog is from start.fedorapeople.org (even more than from the planet itself) so what we are discussing *might* not reflect the real state of things, actually... Are there any statistically significant data (I realize one low-traffic blog is not statistically significant) regarding the real-world usage of start.fp.o? I don't know if we have any statistics, I never bothered to find out. if someone has them, it's probably the infrastructure team. Cheers, Martin -- desktop mailing list desk...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop My suggestion after reading this long discussion: We should have a first-run page which Firefox will show after you install Fedora. After that, it should show the default upstream start page. For other browsers and/or people who prefer to use it, we will keep start.fpo (maybe redesign it to look better) and anyway have start.fpo as part of the set of default bookmarks. Sounds reasonable? -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Drop start.fedoraproject.org in favour of about:home
This message is sent to two lists: websites and desktop. start.fedoraproject.org has many problems [0], mainly: 1) it's ugly 2) it doesn't serve a clear function 3) It's one of the first things people trying Fedora will see, so it'll effect their opinion about Fedora. I suggest we just drop this page completely and use the default firefox about:home start page instead. Thoughts? [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Start.fpo_redesign -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Drop start.fedoraproject.org in favour of about:home
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: 3) It's one of the first things people trying Fedora will see, so it'll effect their opinion about Fedora. I suggest we just drop this page completely and use the default firefox about:home start page instead. Thoughts? As seen before this page is used, to get people on the Planet. The planet is not really interesting for end-users, and contributors already have them in their RSS readers. So the real question is: Do we want this page to be contributor or end user centric? As we try to keep both with a simple page, it could not work easily. Existing contributors already follow the planet or know about it, and this page is not helping to get any potential contributors (aka end-users) to contribute, because it's cluttery and scary and has a lot of tecnobabble from the planet and announcements. The default browser homepage is not the place to recruit new contributors, and it's really not the place to show information for existing contributors (we have mailing lists, wiki and planet RSS feed for that) -- Kévin Raymond (shaiton) GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2 -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: root login
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Rajubhai Ramvani rajuramv...@gmail.comwrote: dear sir, how can i login as a root.help me/ with regards.rajuramvani.india. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites Hello there. I see you have already been helped by someone else, but I'd like to remind you that the webmaster email is not a support email. See https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-help if you need to get support next time. Thanks, -- -Elad Alfassa, Fedora Websites Team -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: how to upgrade web server Apache 2.2.15 for fedora 11
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:17 PM, tolgen tol...@o2.pl wrote: Hi, I need to upgrade my apache server on fedora 11. (2.2.15 Release 1F C11.1) when i use yum to update httpd, the answers is no new packet. How can i download the package? regards Robert -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites Hello Robert. First of all, the webmaster email is not a support mailing list. See this page on how to get help: https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-help And much more important thing: Fedora 11 is not supported anymore. Each Fedora release is supported for about 1 year, and Fedora 11 was released way before that. Because of that, Fedora 11 no longer receives any updates at all (not even security updates). I recommend you upgrade to the latest and greatest version of fedora, which is Fedora 17. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Extra stuff creeping up on the website - can we clean it up?
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: Hi, I noticed some cruft has surfaced on fedoraproject.org's front page. The Installation requirements section concerns me most. I've quoted the current text below and my suggestions for cleaning it up. Are these suggestions okay? If we follow your suggestion, --- 400MHz Pentium Pro or better processor (comparable AMD, Cyrix, and VIA processors also acceptable) How about 400Mhz Intel-compatible system or better Since we now offer 64bit by default, we need to change this text, we are still trying to figure out what is the earliest 64bit CPU we support. --- At least 768MB memory (RAM), 1GB recommended for best performance Be bold. Pick one. Forcing a dichotomy on the user is putting pressure on them that they don't need in the wake of an OS switch. How about 1 GB memory (RAM) If we do this, we need to change the title from installation requirement to recommended setup or something similar. --- ~m -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Extra stuff creeping up on the website - can we clean it up?
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 13:06 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 19:50 +0300, Elad Alfassa wrote: How about 400Mhz Intel-compatible system or better Since we now offer 64bit by default, we need to change this text, we are still trying to figure out what is the earliest 64bit CPU we support. 64-bit Intel-compatible system or better; 400Mhz or more. TBH this is a lie though, we do support 686 systems, why not just say 400Mhz Intel-compatible system or better, that the default download is 64-bit is spelled out pretty clearly on stg.fedoraproject.org. We shouldn't pretend we can't support 32 bit when we very much can. ~m yes, this is why I say the front page should only have the recommended specs, not the minimal. Also, I heard we now require less than 768MB of ram for install, but if we do recommended, it should be 1GB. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Extra stuff creeping up on the website - can we clean it up?
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 20:27 +0300, Elad Alfassa wrote: yes, this is why I say the front page should only have the recommended specs, not the minimal. Ahh okay, so here's the revision: Recommended installation requirements: * 64-bit Intel-compatible PC * 1 GB memory (RAM) * 10 GB disk space / storage Sound good? ~m yes, sounds good. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: wrong count down for Fed17
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Vincenzo Virgilio vincenzo.virgilio1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! the countdown for F17 ON websites shows 12 days, but the schedule still says may 22th. Also viweing it from Italy and counting dealay, it should be 4-5 day not more. Did i loose something? Hoping to be of help. Vincenzo Virgilio UNIVERSITY OF PALERMO -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites The count is correct, the release date was delayed. See the release schedule[1] for more information. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/17/Schedule -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: The Fedora ring tone
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 00:24 +0300, Valentin Laskov wrote: Hi all! I would like to install The Fedora Ring Tone on my phone. :) I think, there is no such tone, but this may be a good idea and I would like to file a bug for this. :) Which project against I can file a bug? Best regards! Valentin Laskov I don't think we have a fedora music theme (yet). You could take the initiative :) -- Thanks, Regards, Ankur: FranciscoD http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha http://dodoincfedora.wordpress.com/ -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites The fedora sound SIG [1] is trying to compose sound themes for Fedora, you might be interested in it [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Sound -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Feedback from Distrowatch
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Serious question; Should the Fedora logo be changed? No! Seriously why we should change our logo for few people (it was just a sample) I have never heard such thing from my community. anyway other projects do not have that advantage ;-) http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120507#news ' The Fedora website provided fairly positive results. Everyone was able to find an appropriate download link for the Fedora ISOs. Likewise, people were able to find the documentation to walk them through an installation without too much trouble. What I found a bit amusing was that almost a third of the participants thought Fedora was some sort of Facebook plugin or application instead of a full operating system, due to the project's logo. This is one of those things people inside the Linux community would probably never consider, but there's a bit of a confusion over the brand (apparently) where outsiders are concerned. Rahul -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites Just a little reminder, Fedora was around BEFORE Facebook. If there is anyone who should change their logo, it's Facebook, not us. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Do we want to add a link to the easyfix page on join.fpo?
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: Hi there, The original thread is @devel, see my answer[1]. fedoraproject.org/easyfix has to be found to new contributors, do you think that the link could be added to join.fpo? [1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-April/166443.html -- Kévin Raymond (shaiton) GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2 -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites Yes, I think it should be there. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: Do we want to add a link to the easyfix page on join.fpo?
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Sijis Aviles si...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hi there, The original thread is @devel, see my answer[1]. fedoraproject.org/easyfix has to be found to new contributors, do you think that the link could be added to join.fpo? [1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-April/166443.html -- Kévin Raymond (shaiton) GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2 Where are you proposing to put this? I agree it should be easy to find though. Sijis -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites A link and an explanation in https://fedoraproject.org/join-fedora -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: Hi there, This is an old thread, we have not decided anything because: - Alternatives are not 100% Open Source - Users like the Google results. I haven't checked about seeks update, but nowadays we could use https://startpage.com/ which is search engine based on Google (it just forward queries), but protecting our privacy. It uses Bing for pictures and blinkx.com for movies. http://duckduckgo.com/ Is by far the most interesting search engine, and using the bang! syntax (!sp) we could ask DDG to give us startpage results (i.e. Google!). We are a leading edge community, we are not simple users, we should change start.fpo, and see with our browsers maintainer if they want to switch. Of course, this is only my voice, what about you? -- Kévin Raymond (shaiton) GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2 -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites My opinion is that we should drop start.fedoraproject.org entirely. See discussion here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Start.fpo_redesign -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: My opinion is that we should drop start.fedoraproject.org entirely. See discussion here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Start.fpo_redesign start.fpo is useful and used by many users (Mairin gave us some stats about her blog). -- Kévin Raymond (shaiton) GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2 -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites If so, it needs to be re-designed, because the current design has too much visual clutter. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: [HE] Translations issues
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: Please the he team, correct the f17-beta website po file. The current error is: msgfmt -o po/he.mo po/he.po po/he.po:3869: `msgid' and `msgstr' entries do not both end with '\n' msgfmt: found 1 fatal error make: *** [po/he.mo] Error 1 I don't have access before Monday and this block all languages. Thx, -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites Fixed. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: www.fpo front page banners for Fedora 17's release
2012/3/29 Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org: Hi, Does anyone have anything planned for the two feature slides for the front page of fedoraproject.org for Fedora 17's launch? For slide 1, we can simply use the desktop wallpaper background and the design team can put together a nice screenshot. For slide 4, we can use the group photo Russell Harrison took at FUDcon Blacksburg: http://blog.russellharrison.com/2012/03/21/find-waldo-at-fudcon-blacksburg-2012/ But slides #2 and #3 should feature some key features of Fedora 17. Any ideas on which of these lovelies (or other features not listed here) should be featured front and center? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/17/FeatureList (/me would pick Gimp 2.8 and Multitouch support but I'm quite biased. :) I'd also pick gimp 2.8, but not multitouch - The multitouch support is at plumbing (ie kernel and xorg) level and isn't really supported in the desktop itself yet. It's just the groundwork for real multitouch support. For the spin slide, I think we should choose the game spin this time. we already had electronics and robotics, and if I recall correctly we had security lab as well. If we didn't do security lab at the spin slide yet, we should do it. If we love more than 2 to feature we could certainly add another slide or too, more excitement better than less right?) Well, we can, but I prefer not to have too many slides in the main page. ~m -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites Thank you, by the way, for sending this email. I almost forgot we need to update the slides. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org
2012/2/2 Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:33 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: I totally understand redesigning, but not understanding the dropping of the page - what would be a reasonable replacement? The rationale is that when people open up a web browser, they want to go to where they want to go, and that is very likely not start.fedoraproject.org. E.g., if I open a web browser, I'm going to view my web calendar, read planet Fedora, or look something up on wikipedia. So the alternative is a dashboard built into the browser (Firefox provides this via a plugin, I think the others do too) that shows your most frequently visited sites so you can easily click to access them, since that's what you really want to do. ~m -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites I'd say we keep Firefox's default about:home, we don't change default homepage in other browsers, so we shouldn't change it on Firefox as well (stick to upstream policy). The dashboard idea sounds good though, especially because more GNOME applications are going to have these soon ( https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree/Features/Blank%20slate%20helps%20you%20get%20started). We could install this Firefox extension you are talking about by default with Fedora if it's stable enough (and 100% free with no legal issues). If you link me to the specific extension, I'll try to get it packaged (if it isn't already), which is the first thing we need to make it default. -- -Elad Alfassa. -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
