Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Michał Andrzej Woźniak wrote: Dnia czwartek 20 grudzień 2007, John Draper napisał(a): giopas wrote: Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Hello, You probably noticed development on the WengoPhone has considerably slowed down those days, to the point were it looks frozen. There is a reason for that situation. You may have realized that Wengo has switched to another activity in the last months. If you visit http://wengo.com you won't find any reference to the WengoPhone product. Wengo is now focusing on creating an online knowledge market place. For a while the company has been able to financially support both the marketplace and WengoPhone activities, but it's not the case anymore. For financial reasons, Wengo had to stop the WengoPhone activity. As a result, all OpenWengo community members working for Wengo on the WengoPhone had to leave the company. A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. I think it was about time to let you know about that sad situation. As far as I am concerned, I currently lack the motivation to go on and continue contributing to this project. I learnt to never say never though, so I am not saying I won't come back. Just not for now. In case you are interested, this means I am available for hire. We can discuss this privately if you want to. Regards, Aurélien Salut Aurélien, I'm really shocked about that news, and I can't figure out how Wengo could dismiss such a project (and all developers) for an "online knowledge market place"! That's it: an "online knowledge market place" seems to me no more than a "camouflaged hot-line". Infact, I can't find a better definition for a "relationship consultant", a "brainstormer", or a "clairvoyanceonline" service! I'm astonished! :-! You know, every European company is trying to cut a voip/sip market share out during last months (or even years)... but wengo decided to loose all its comparative knowldge advantage in order to create an illusionary web2.0 [¹]... just IMHO a suicide! At least, I hope that this was originated by economic problems... Anyway, having a look at Patrick Amiel (Wengo's Marketing Director) interview[²], I understand that wengo would like to take profit of the voip infrastructure in order to offer an "added value" service... Ok, ok... but how many of you will pay 5.00€/Call + 0.30€/min for (i.e.) a Linux expert, whereas you can get for free all over the Net? No problem, it's just a business strategy choice... But, what about a new project? A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. What went wrong? I know that is really frustrating to see that everything you did is now considered no more than peanuts by your (former?)company... but, just consider to take profit from o.s. community and all related companies and their willingness to help you going ahead. Maybe you have just to create a new "manifesto" (and internet site) claiming for "fresh" developers and sponsors, and hopefully you will see your (and our) "baby" grow up again... Just my 2€cs. Best regards, ;-) giopas (just a useless user) ps: bonnes fetes... [¹] http://www.neteco.com/84420-priceminister-wengo-lancent-hotline.html [²] http://www.neteco.com/89052-patrick-amiel-wengo.html yet another blow for the Open Source VIOP development community... this totally sucks... WengoPhone was one of the very few organizations to openly support the Macintosh. We were strongly considering using it for our company. Now we have to look elsewhere unless another support community erupts to take the place. I'll remain on the mailing list until it goes away, in the hopes of some furure announcement that some other people might take up the cause. Wait a minute - are the devs just being laid-off, or is the whole community being laid-off? Are the webpages, the repositories, the documentation, etc., being pulled back and sent to oblivion, or is Wengo just ending the financial support to the devs? If the community stays, it should be viable to continue the project. Maybe not so fast, maybe not so well-designed and roadmapped, ect., but hey, we have the repos, we have the docs and wikis, let's get messy with the code, shall we? So the big question is as above - are the repos, docs, wikis, forums, etc., staying online? Cheers mike Gosh - I would hope so.Say, you aren't related to my good friend Steve Wozniak are you? I'm almost in daily contact with him. Crunchman - The Capt... en2go Entertainment, Hollywood, ca. ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Dnia czwartek 20 grudzień 2007, John Draper napisał(a): > giopas wrote: > > Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> You probably noticed development on the WengoPhone has considerably > >> slowed down those days, to the point were it looks frozen. > >> > >> There is a reason for that situation. > >> > >> You may have realized that Wengo has switched to another activity in > >> the last months. If you visit http://wengo.com you won't find any > >> reference to the WengoPhone product. Wengo is now focusing on > >> creating an online knowledge market place. > >> > >> For a while the company has been able to financially support both the > >> marketplace and WengoPhone activities, but it's not the case anymore. > >> For financial reasons, Wengo had to stop the WengoPhone activity. As > >> a result, all OpenWengo community members working for Wengo on the > >> WengoPhone had to leave the company. > >> > >> A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the > >> WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. > >> > >> I think it was about time to let you know about that sad situation. > >> > >> As far as I am concerned, I currently lack the motivation to go on > >> and continue contributing to this project. I learnt to never say > >> never though, so I am not saying I won't come back. Just not for now. > >> > >> In case you are interested, this means I am available for hire. We > >> can discuss this privately if you want to. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Aurélien > > > > Salut Aurélien, > > > > I'm really shocked about that news, and I can't figure out how Wengo > > could dismiss such a project (and all developers) for an "online > > knowledge market place"! > > > > That's it: an "online knowledge market place" seems to me no more than > > a "camouflaged hot-line". Infact, I can't find a better definition for > > a "relationship consultant", a "brainstormer", or a > > "clairvoyanceonline" service! > > > > I'm astonished! :-! > > > > You know, every European company is trying to cut a voip/sip market > > share out during last months (or even years)... but wengo decided to > > loose all its comparative knowldge advantage in order to create an > > illusionary web2.0 [¹]... just IMHO a suicide! > > > > At least, I hope that this was originated by economic problems... > > > > Anyway, having a look at Patrick Amiel (Wengo's Marketing Director) > > interview[²], I understand that wengo would like to take profit of the > > voip infrastructure in order to offer an "added value" service... Ok, > > ok... but how many of you will pay 5.00€/Call + 0.30€/min for (i.e.) a > > Linux expert, whereas you can get for free all over the Net? > > > > No problem, it's just a business strategy choice... > > > > But, what about a new project? > > > >> A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the > >> WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. > > > > What went wrong? I know that is really frustrating to see that > > everything you did is now considered no more than peanuts by your > > (former?)company... but, just consider to take profit from o.s. > > community and all related companies and their willingness to help you > > going ahead. > > > > Maybe you have just to create a new "manifesto" (and internet site) > > claiming for "fresh" developers and sponsors, and hopefully you will > > see your (and our) "baby" grow up again... > > > > Just my 2€cs. > > > > Best regards, ;-) > > giopas (just a useless user) > > > > > > ps: bonnes fetes... > > > > [¹] http://www.neteco.com/84420-priceminister-wengo-lancent-hotline.html > > [²] http://www.neteco.com/89052-patrick-amiel-wengo.html > > yet another blow for the Open Source VIOP development community... this > totally sucks... WengoPhone was one of the very few organizations to > openly support the Macintosh. > > We were strongly considering using it for our company. Now we have to > look elsewhere unless another support community erupts to take the > place. I'll remain on the mailing list until it goes away, in the > hopes of some furure announcement that some other people might take up > the cause. Wait a minute - are the devs just being laid-off, or is the whole community being laid-off? Are the webpages, the repositories, the documentation, etc., being pulled back and sent to oblivion, or is Wengo just ending the financial support to the devs? If the community stays, it should be viable to continue the project. Maybe not so fast, maybe not so well-designed and roadmapped, ect., but hey, we have the repos, we have the docs and wikis, let's get messy with the code, shall we? So the big question is as above - are the repos, docs, wikis, forums, etc., staying online? Cheers mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinf
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
giopas wrote: Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Hello, You probably noticed development on the WengoPhone has considerably slowed down those days, to the point were it looks frozen. There is a reason for that situation. You may have realized that Wengo has switched to another activity in the last months. If you visit http://wengo.com you won't find any reference to the WengoPhone product. Wengo is now focusing on creating an online knowledge market place. For a while the company has been able to financially support both the marketplace and WengoPhone activities, but it's not the case anymore. For financial reasons, Wengo had to stop the WengoPhone activity. As a result, all OpenWengo community members working for Wengo on the WengoPhone had to leave the company. A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. I think it was about time to let you know about that sad situation. As far as I am concerned, I currently lack the motivation to go on and continue contributing to this project. I learnt to never say never though, so I am not saying I won't come back. Just not for now. In case you are interested, this means I am available for hire. We can discuss this privately if you want to. Regards, Aurélien Salut Aurélien, I'm really shocked about that news, and I can't figure out how Wengo could dismiss such a project (and all developers) for an "online knowledge market place"! That's it: an "online knowledge market place" seems to me no more than a "camouflaged hot-line". Infact, I can't find a better definition for a "relationship consultant", a "brainstormer", or a "clairvoyanceonline" service! I'm astonished! :-! You know, every European company is trying to cut a voip/sip market share out during last months (or even years)... but wengo decided to loose all its comparative knowldge advantage in order to create an illusionary web2.0 [¹]... just IMHO a suicide! At least, I hope that this was originated by economic problems... Anyway, having a look at Patrick Amiel (Wengo's Marketing Director) interview[²], I understand that wengo would like to take profit of the voip infrastructure in order to offer an "added value" service... Ok, ok... but how many of you will pay 5.00€/Call + 0.30€/min for (i.e.) a Linux expert, whereas you can get for free all over the Net? No problem, it's just a business strategy choice... But, what about a new project? A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. What went wrong? I know that is really frustrating to see that everything you did is now considered no more than peanuts by your (former?)company... but, just consider to take profit from o.s. community and all related companies and their willingness to help you going ahead. Maybe you have just to create a new "manifesto" (and internet site) claiming for "fresh" developers and sponsors, and hopefully you will see your (and our) "baby" grow up again... Just my 2€cs. Best regards, ;-) giopas (just a useless user) ps: bonnes fetes... [¹] http://www.neteco.com/84420-priceminister-wengo-lancent-hotline.html [²] http://www.neteco.com/89052-patrick-amiel-wengo.html yet another blow for the Open Source VIOP development community... this totally sucks... WengoPhone was one of the very few organizations to openly support the Macintosh. We were strongly considering using it for our company. Now we have to look elsewhere unless another support community erupts to take the place. I'll remain on the mailing list until it goes away, in the hopes of some furure announcement that some other people might take up the cause. regards John D -en2go Entertainment, Hollywood, ca. ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
[Wengophone-devel] VS 2005 build of openwengo 2.1.2 issues
Hi, Here are the issues that I've found to date on XP trying to build openwengo 2.1.2 with VS 2005. 1. Running create_vcproj-VC80.bat fails to copy files -- Found Qt-Version 4.3.3 -- Qt4 with ActiveX (QAxContainer) support on Error copying file (if different) from "C:/Qt/4.3.3/plugins/imageformats/qmngd1.dll" to "C:/Projects/openwengo2.1.2/build/debug/imageformats/qmngd1.dll". Error copying file (if different) from "C:/Qt/4.3.3/plugins/imageformats/qjpegd1.dll" to "C:/Projects/openwengo2.1.2/build/debug/imageformats". The reason being this is that the QT files are now suffixed with "4". Thus, qmngd4.dll and qjpegd4.dll. The full output from create_vcproj-VC80.bat [1] is after my sig. 2. On loading the "solution" in VS, a message appears saying: The solution already contains an item named "lrelease" 3. A bunch of /libs and /includes must be added to VS's options. Obviously, boost and QT are required, but also the Microsoft Platform SDK and ActiveX SDK. In addition, for some reason dshow.h and .lib are required, so these need to be included from somewhere. I chose: C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\SmartDevices\SDK \PocketPC2003\Include 4. Initial builds produce reams of RTC (runtime check) errors - possibly something to do with stuff pointing to VC6 libraries? These messages go away after saving the solution! 5. The build proper produces the following errors: Error 97 error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."portaudio Error 202 error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."curl Error 276 error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."owwebcam Error 547 error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."phapiutil Error 2245fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'phapiutil.lib' phapi Error 4106error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."owcrashreport Error 4124error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."phamrplugin Error 4148error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."phspeexplugin Error 4290fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'phapiutil.lib' sfp- plugin Error 4420error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."yealinkwenbox Error 4422error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."owutil-unit-tests Error 4469error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."thread-tests Error 4493error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."desktopservice Error 4508error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."testexpandbutton Error 4536error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."testimageselector Error 4552error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."testlinklabel Error 4574error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."testqobjectthreadsafe Error 4599error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."testscrollframe Error 4613error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."testwidgetratioenforcer Error 4637error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."testtrayicon Error 4686fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'owwebcam.lib' owwebcam-test Error 4700fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'owwebcam.lib' owwebcam-test-visu-c Error 4728fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'owwebcam.lib' owwebcam-multi-visu-test Error 4766error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."soundtest Error 4779error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."testnetlib Error 4804error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Performing Post-Build Event..."testflashwindow The error PRJ0019s are due to the cmake copy errors. For example: >Error copying file (if different) from "C:/Projects/openwengo2.1.2/build/libs/3rdparty/portaudio/portaudio.dll" to "C:/Projects/openwengo2.1.2/build/debug/." The source should include /debug. Thus, "C:/Projects/openwengo2.1.2/build/libs/3rdparty/portaudio/debug/portaudi o.dll" I don't know how to fix this - other than manually changing all the affected projects' Post-Build Events. And this won't work for other build targets. This is a pretty serious issue, imo. 6. Finally, as mentioned in anothe
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Here is a new list to those that use OpenWengo and wish to continue to contribute to it and provide support to those using it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -E ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
Re: [Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Hello, You probably noticed development on the WengoPhone has considerably slowed down those days, to the point were it looks frozen. There is a reason for that situation. You may have realized that Wengo has switched to another activity in the last months. If you visit http://wengo.com you won't find any reference to the WengoPhone product. Wengo is now focusing on creating an online knowledge market place. For a while the company has been able to financially support both the marketplace and WengoPhone activities, but it's not the case anymore. For financial reasons, Wengo had to stop the WengoPhone activity. As a result, all OpenWengo community members working for Wengo on the WengoPhone had to leave the company. A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. I think it was about time to let you know about that sad situation. As far as I am concerned, I currently lack the motivation to go on and continue contributing to this project. I learnt to never say never though, so I am not saying I won't come back. Just not for now. In case you are interested, this means I am available for hire. We can discuss this privately if you want to. Regards, Aurélien Salut Aurélien, I'm really shocked about that news, and I can't figure out how Wengo could dismiss such a project (and all developers) for an "online knowledge market place"! That's it: an "online knowledge market place" seems to me no more than a "camouflaged hot-line". Infact, I can't find a better definition for a "relationship consultant", a "brainstormer", or a "clairvoyanceonline" service! I'm astonished! :-! You know, every European company is trying to cut a voip/sip market share out during last months (or even years)... but wengo decided to loose all its comparative knowldge advantage in order to create an illusionary web2.0 [¹]... just IMHO a suicide! At least, I hope that this was originated by economic problems... Anyway, having a look at Patrick Amiel (Wengo's Marketing Director) interview[²], I understand that wengo would like to take profit of the voip infrastructure in order to offer an "added value" service... Ok, ok... but how many of you will pay 5.00€/Call + 0.30€/min for (i.e.) a Linux expert, whereas you can get for free all over the Net? No problem, it's just a business strategy choice... But, what about a new project? A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. What went wrong? I know that is really frustrating to see that everything you did is now considered no more than peanuts by your (former?)company... but, just consider to take profit from o.s. community and all related companies and their willingness to help you going ahead. Maybe you have just to create a new "manifesto" (and internet site) claiming for "fresh" developers and sponsors, and hopefully you will see your (and our) "baby" grow up again... Just my 2€cs. Best regards, ;-) giopas (just a useless user) ps: bonnes fetes... [¹] http://www.neteco.com/84420-priceminister-wengo-lancent-hotline.html [²] http://www.neteco.com/89052-patrick-amiel-wengo.html -- "The paradigm of competition is a race: by rewarding the winner, we encourage everyone to run faster. When capitalism really works this way, it does a good job; but its defenders are wrong in assuming it always works this way. If the runners forget why the reward is offered and become intent on winning, no matter how, they may find other strategies--such as, attacking other runners. If the runners get into a fist fight, they will all finish late." (GNU manifesto/R. Stallman) ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
[Wengophone-devel] Why is it so calm
Hello, You probably noticed development on the WengoPhone has considerably slowed down those days, to the point were it looks frozen. There is a reason for that situation. You may have realized that Wengo has switched to another activity in the last months. If you visit http://wengo.com you won't find any reference to the WengoPhone product. Wengo is now focusing on creating an online knowledge market place. For a while the company has been able to financially support both the marketplace and WengoPhone activities, but it's not the case anymore. For financial reasons, Wengo had to stop the WengoPhone activity. As a result, all OpenWengo community members working for Wengo on the WengoPhone had to leave the company. A few of us considered creating our own company to continue the WengoPhone activity, but it didn't work out for different reasons. I think it was about time to let you know about that sad situation. As far as I am concerned, I currently lack the motivation to go on and continue contributing to this project. I learnt to never say never though, so I am not saying I won't come back. Just not for now. In case you are interested, this means I am available for hire. We can discuss this privately if you want to. Regards, Aurélien ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
[Wengophone-devel] missing phapiutil.lib
Hi, I have problems to build the debug version of ALL_BUILD solution in Visual Studio 2005. The phapiutil project seems build without errors and phapiutil.dll is created, but phapiutil.lib is not present. I have follow the steps in "How to Compile WengoPhone NG on Microsoft Windows with Visual Studio 2005 Express Edition". many thanks Ricky ___ Wengophone-devel mailing list Wengophone-devel@lists.openwengo.com http://dev.openwengo.com/mailman/listinfo/wengophone-devel
