Re: [Wesnoth-dev] Starting on Son Of The Black Eye

2007-05-02 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 08:04:25AM -0400, esr wrote:
> > After IRC discussion with several devs (including the release manager)
> > we've made a tentative decision to bring Son Of The Black Eye into 
> > mainline next.  The campaign has Taurus as an active maintainer.
> 
> Great, and good luck to Taurus.  I hope this time the campaign stays
> in mainline -- it and Liberty were the two that sparked my initial
> interest in 2004.

Ahh, Liberty.  Liberty is a problem.  Interesting concept, weak storyline,
abrupt ending.  I'd like to do something about Liberty.
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Re: [Wesnoth-dev] Starting on Son Of The Black Eye

2007-05-02 Thread ott
On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 08:04:25AM -0400, esr wrote:
> After IRC discussion with several devs (including the release manager)
> we've made a tentative decision to bring Son Of The Black Eye into 
> mainline next.  The campaign has Taurus as an active maintainer.

Great, and good luck to Taurus.  I hope this time the campaign stays
in mainline -- it and Liberty were the two that sparked my initial
interest in 2004.

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[Wesnoth-dev] Starting on Son Of The Black Eye

2007-05-02 Thread Eric S. Raymond
After IRC discussion with several devs (including the release manager)
we've made a tentative decision to bring Son Of The Black Eye into 
mainline next.  The campaign has Taurus as an active maintainer.

Tentative here equals "we're going to do it unless somebody raises
a substantive objection within the next day or so."  So if anybody
has a problem wit this, let's hear about it.
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"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the
pursuit of justice is no virtue."
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[Wesnoth-dev] I pinged Taurus about SoTBE etc., and a proposed 'status' extension.

2007-05-02 Thread Eric S. Raymond
I pinged Taurus.  He says he'll join the dev list.  

The biggest remaining NR issue is the portrait of Abhai, one of the
hero characters.  Jetryl is working on it.  I believe the balancing
has been done; logic, maps, and storyline are good enough to ship.

Taurus also says he believes SoTBE is in good shape for mainline and
is willing for it to go there and to maintain it in mainline. So I'm
going to change targets once the cleanup after the NR merge is done,
from LoW to SoTBE.

I'd like to follow Ivanovic's suggestion of checking in candidate
mainline campaigns early and commit an upconverted SoTBE within
a few days.  However, I also don't want to constrain our release of
1.3.3 by having a campaign be visible that we may not think is ready
for prime time.

Therefore, see FR #9062.  It's mine, though I forgot to put my 
email on it.  I expect the code change involved will be trivial. 
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Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation,
that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence?  Where is the
difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our
own direction, and having them under the management of Congress?  If
our defence be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands
can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in
our own hands?
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Re: [Wesnoth-dev] Adding new campaigns to mainline, some guidelines

2007-05-02 Thread Isaac Clerencia
On Wednesday, 2 May 2007, Joseph Simmons wrote:
> So, in conclusion:
>
> * The only differences are that it is not Garard I, in 417 YW, who
> originally commissions the Sceptre, but rather Haldric II, in 25 YW, who
> does so, and that its completion only takes 15 years, not 25.
> * These are both minor plot points in HttT, and can be easily changed.
> * However, they are vital to the plot of SoF, and several UMCs made
> after I wrote SoF use the SoF version of history.
> * They also make more sense anyway, IMHO.
> * I thus see no reason not to make this change.
I support the change too.
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Re: [Wesnoth-dev] Adding new campaigns to mainline, some guidelines

2007-05-02 Thread Eric S. Raymond
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The a broader continuity is more valuable than
> an unchanging HttT.

While I agree with this, a minor note of caution: we probably don't want 
to casually make *major* continuity changes to campaigns, either. especially
not one as central as HttT.  That too would disrupt the player's sense of a
stable overarching history.  

The Great Retconning will work because the changes to HttT don't
affect its thematic core.  Turin persuaded me by doing an excellent
job of describing and justifying minimal, sensible changes to HttT and
the mainline history; I hope anybody who wants to retcon it in the
future will be held to a similarly high standard.

I'd also like to suggest that one of the criteria we use in deciding
which campaigns to take mainline should be what they do for the 
emergent history of the Wesnoth world.  I think a campaign such as LoW, 
which shares a character with other mainline campaigns and ties into
the well-developed part of the history, gains additional value by so
doing.
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