Re: [WestNileNet] LATEST: "SALVA KIIR MUST GO" - SAYS RIAK MACHAR

[emmanuelar...@gmail.com]

Hellows;We appreciate you all for your efforts in updating us of the situation in south sudan how ever we may need to continue praying for the lives of the innocent civilian population from the greedy millitary if i may call those fighting for power at the expence of others lives RegardsSent from Samsung galaxy Mobile 

 Kiggundu Mukasa  wrote: 

With that attitude, this is not going to end well at allAnd will have repercussions for years to come!Very very sad.I hope and pray he negotiates and saves his country the bloodshed.KiggsOn Dec 19, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Hussein Amin  wrote:Speaking to Radio France International this evening, Former VP Riak Machar now more boisterous. Says "Salva Kiir must go". Tells army units to "get rid of Salva Kiir from heading the country".

Seems it ain't over yet in South Sudan.Hussein Juruga Lumumba AminKampala, Uganda

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Re: [WestNileNet] LATEST: "SALVA KIIR MUST GO" - SAYS RIAK MACHAR

[Kiggundu Mukasa]

With that attitude, this is not going to end well at all
And will have repercussions for years to come!

Very very sad.

I hope and pray he negotiates and saves his country the bloodshed.

Kiggs


On Dec 19, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Hussein Amin  wrote:

> Speaking to Radio France International this evening, Former VP Riak Machar 
> now more boisterous. Says "Salva Kiir must go". Tells army units to "get rid 
> of Salva Kiir from heading the country".
> 
> Seems it ain't over yet in South Sudan.
> 
> 
> Hussein Juruga Lumumba Amin
> Kampala, Uganda
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Re: [WestNileNet] LATEST: "SALVA KIIR MUST GO" - SAYS RIAK MACHAR

[Caleb Alaka]

So sad indeed

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19/12/2013, at 11.16 PM, Hussein Amin  wrote:
> 
> Speaking to Radio France International this evening, Former VP Riak Machar 
> now more boisterous. Says "Salva Kiir must go". Tells army units to "get rid 
> of Salva Kiir from heading the country".
> 
> Seems it ain't over yet in South Sudan.
> 
> 
> Hussein Juruga Lumumba Amin
> Kampala, Uganda
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[WestNileNet] I REALLY HOPE OUR PEOPLE ARE SAFE......

[Margaret Akulia]

Can someone provide an update?

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000100457&story_title=how-dispute-at-splm-meeting-set-off

MA
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Re: [WestNileNet] [kobokoandfriendscommunity] LATEST: "SALVA KIIR MUST GO" - SAYS RIAK MACHAR

[Margaret Akulia]

How sad. What an unnecessary loss of life!!

MA


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Hussein Amin wrote:

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> Speaking to Radio France International this evening, Former VP Riak Machar
> now more boisterous. Says "Salva Kiir must go". Tells army units to "get
> rid of Salva Kiir from heading the country".
>
> Seems it ain't over yet in South Sudan.
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> Kampala, Uganda
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[WestNileNet] LATEST: "SALVA KIIR MUST GO" - SAYS RIAK MACHAR

[Hussein Amin]

Speaking to Radio France International this evening, Former VP Riak Machar
now more boisterous. Says "Salva Kiir must go". Tells army units to "get
rid of Salva Kiir from heading the country".

Seems it ain't over yet in South Sudan.


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Kampala, Uganda
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Re: [WestNileNet] Attempted Coup in South Sudan?

[David Olema]

Moses, you have said it all. The strongman mentality must change. It only 
breeds, injustice, sectarianism, and civil strive which are more often than not 
upheld by the gun. Unfortunately, the strongmen and their associates deceive 
them selves with the uneasy calm believing it for PEACE. Far from it! All this 
is deceptive and the earlier they realised this and ushered in true peace 
through transparent, fair and equal treatment of their citizens, the better. We 
pray for our brothers and sisters in S. Sudan.

Thank you once again Moses.




 From: moses akuma 
To: samuel andema ; A Virtual Network for friends of 
West Nile ; A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile 
 
Sent: Thursday, 19 December 2013, 12:02
Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Attempted Coup in South Sudan?
 


Dear Friends!
 
As long as African leaders don't appreciate the beauty of our
diversity and manage it well such bad and bloody history will be repeated and
replicated.
 
All Governments in Africa must harness deliberate efforts to
manage the political, religious, cultural, ethnic, social and economic
diversities of their countries as assets that birth new perspectives, ideas and
genuine contributions that improve problem solving.
 
 
If they do this, it will earn them respect and acceptance for
creating a nation building environment.  It is through such an approach
that we can rise above differences and embrace the bigger picture of developing
stable, peaceful and sustainable nations in Africa.  

This poverty of the
mind that teaches our leaders greed and selfishness is shared by the citizens
as long as the relationship between all stakeholders is not guided by selfless
leadership, clear communication and acts of working for the common purpose.

 In
my opinion the relationship between the State and the Society in Africa must
change.. The society is what forms the state not the leaders exclusively.. Yes
they set policy directions BUT without a vision community of citizens who
genuinely support and own such visions, these will remain concepts that will
never see and translate to change the reality of the citizen’s life. 
 
There is no justification what so ever for the leaders to maintain
the colonial legacy of the state being a master of the society by use of
violence and brutality for selfish interests. It is unfortunate the modern
state still struggles to conquer the society which has no army, wallows in
poverty and disease. 
Highly militarized yet continues in fear and suspicion that it is
only safe in as far as the society is fully demilitarized.  The state
structures forget they are busy structuring the society just like the society
is struggling to structure the very state structures as long as there are
extreme imbalances. 
 
This is the nature of life and humanity that conflicts arise to
regulate extreme imbalances that are created. It is foolishness to think that
the world is safer without opposition and without conflicts such a desire is
without knowledge and therefore folly. 
 
We need to prepare ourselves to deal with such oppositions and
conflicts in a civilized manner. The harder you hit at opposition the Harder it
gets this often drives to suicidal tendencies of permanent control by
elimination of human life. It’s precisely crimes against Humanity and a gross
violation of the social contract between the state and its Citizens.        

 
Thanks and Kind regards
Akuma Moses Odims
Regional Civil peace program officer 

MAYANK Development Association.
Po.Box 1 Yumbe District.
Tele: +256 773 887 704
Email: odims2...@yahoo.com 



On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:17 PM, samuel andema  
wrote:
 
Thanks for the updates, Tabu. This situation looks very volatile. If indeed 
Machar is dead as some sources are speculating, I foresee total chaos and a lot 
of bloodshed in South Sudan, unfortunately. But we hope for the best.
Thanks.
Sam



On Wednesday, 18 December 2013, 10:03, Peter Odama  
wrote:
 
Tabu
You're right I was in Rumbek one of the 1st cities in SouthSudan in 2004. 
Garang had suspended salva kiir for indiscipline in 2000s: all his military 
ranks removed this too provocked his ethic groups in Toni where he comes 
from.By then kiir was Walkn he had financial problems even his children in 
Nairobi couldn't have tuition. This wasnt seen lightly by his tribemates it 
caused civil strive as such the 1st capital in Rumbek.was swifted to Juba as 
one of the reasons among others dry spell that couldn't end. Kiir and Garang 
made an open peace talk in Rumbek just two months before he's died and he said 
if he dies kiir  will take over and he forgave kiir-this wasn't seen good by 
dinkas from Nuba mt.and equatorians as been one of the serious fighters of 
Khartoum. When Garang died it caused panic who will replace as kiir had been 
recently pardoned and todate in aspirations Marchar assumed he is suppose to 
replace Garang as he has been more popular than
 kiir ie why he marchar. Was accused of do

Re: [WestNileNet] Attempted Coup in South Sudan?

[samuel andema]

I agree!
Thanks.
Sam



On Thursday, 19 December 2013, 1:30, Caleb Alaka  wrote:
  
Akuma, this was a well thought piece, this level of debate is nourishing 
because of its originality and contextual narrative

Sent from my iPhone

On 19/12/2013, at 12.02 PM, moses akuma  wrote:


Dear Friends!
> 
>As long as African leaders don't appreciate the beauty of our
diversity and manage it well such bad and bloody history will be repeated and
replicated. 
>  
>All Governments in Africa must harness deliberate efforts to
manage the political, religious, cultural, ethnic, social and economic
diversities of their countries as assets that birth new perspectives, ideas and
genuine contributions that improve problem solving. 
>  
>  
>If they do this, it will earn them respect and acceptance for
creating a nation building environment.  It is through such an approach
that we can rise above differences and embrace the bigger picture of developing
stable, peaceful and sustainable nations in Africa.  
>
>
>This poverty of the
mind that teaches our leaders greed and selfishness is shared by the citizens
as long as the relationship between all stakeholders is not guided by selfless
leadership, clear communication and acts of working for the common purpose.
>
>
> In
my opinion the relationship between the State and the Society in Africa must
change.. The society is what forms the state not the leaders exclusively.. Yes
they set policy directions BUT without a vision community of citizens who
genuinely support and own such visions, these will remain concepts that will
never see and translate to change the reality of the citizen’s life.  
>  
>There is no justification what so ever for the leaders to maintain
the colonial legacy of the state being a master of the society by use of
violence and brutality for selfish interests. It is unfortunate the modern
state still struggles to conquer the society which has no army, wallows in
poverty and disease.  
>Highly militarized yet continues in fear and suspicion that it is
only safe in as far as the society is fully demilitarized.  The state
structures forget they are busy structuring the society just like the society
is struggling to structure the very state structures as long as there are
extreme imbalances.  
>  
>This is the nature of life and humanity that conflicts arise to
regulate extreme imbalances that are created. It is foolishness to think that
the world is safer without opposition and without conflicts such a desire is
without knowledge and therefore folly.  
>  
>We need to prepare ourselves to deal with such oppositions and
conflicts in a civilized manner. The harder you hit at opposition the Harder it
gets this often drives to suicidal tendencies of permanent control by
elimination of human life. It’s precisely crimes against Humanity and a gross
violation of the social contract between the state and its Citizens.        
>
>
>Thanks and Kind regards
>Akuma Moses Odims
>Regional Civil peace program officer 
>
>MAYANK Development Association.
>Po.Box 1 Yumbe District.
>Tele: +256 773 887 704
>Email: odims2...@yahoo.com 
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:17 PM, samuel andema 
> wrote:
>  
>Thanks for the updates, Tabu. This situation looks very volatile. If indeed 
>Machar is dead as some sources are speculating, I foresee total chaos and a 
>lot of bloodshed in South Sudan, unfortunately. But we hope for the best.
>Thanks.
>Sam
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, 18 December 2013, 10:03, Peter Odama  
>wrote:
>  
>Tabu
>You're right I was in Rumbek one of the 1st cities in SouthSudan in 2004. 
>Garang had suspended salva kiir for indiscipline in 2000s: all his military 
>ranks removed this too provocked his ethic groups in Toni where he comes 
>from.By then kiir was Walkn he had financial problems even his children in 
>Nairobi couldn't have tuition. This wasnt seen lightly by his tribemates it 
>caused civil strive as such the 1st capital in Rumbek.was swifted to Juba as 
>one of the reasons among others dry spell that couldn't end. Kiir and Garang 
>made an open peace talk in Rumbek just two months before he's died and he said 
>if he dies kiir  will take over and he forgave kiir-this wasn't seen good by 
>dinkas from Nuba mt.and equatorians as been one of the serious fighters of 
>Khartoum. When Garang died it caused panic who will replace as kiir had been 
>recently pardoned and todate in aspirations Marchar assumed he is suppose to 
>replace Garang as he has been more popular than
 kiir ie why he marchar. Was accused of double stardard for crossing to 
khartoum and Garand refused to choose him, that he could cross to Khartoum and 
comes back to SPLM. In short it will take decades for SouthSudan to know life 
sustainability . As there is an eye for eye practiced.if u. Kill one. They have 
to hunt and kill one ie it.my only concern who pressuring East African 
community to accept SouthSudan to join at adolescent stage. Is it cause of dry 
blood dollars promises into persona

Re: [WestNileNet] Attempted Coup in South Sudan?

[Caleb Alaka]

Akuma, this was a well thought piece, this level of debate is nourishing 
because of its originality and contextual narrative

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19/12/2013, at 12.02 PM, moses akuma  wrote:
> 
> Dear Friends!
>  
> As long as African leaders don't appreciate the beauty of our diversity and 
> manage it well such bad and bloody history will be repeated and replicated.
>  
> All Governments in Africa must harness deliberate efforts to manage the 
> political, religious, cultural, ethnic, social and economic diversities of 
> their countries as assets that birth new perspectives, ideas and genuine 
> contributions that improve problem solving.
>  
>  
> If they do this, it will earn them respect and acceptance for creating a 
> nation building environment.  It is through such an approach that we can rise 
> above differences and embrace the bigger picture of developing stable, 
> peaceful and sustainable nations in Africa.  
> 
> This poverty of the mind that teaches our leaders greed and selfishness is 
> shared by the citizens as long as the relationship between all stakeholders 
> is not guided by selfless leadership, clear communication and acts of working 
> for the common purpose.
> 
>  In my opinion the relationship between the State and the Society in Africa 
> must change.. The society is what forms the state not the leaders 
> exclusively.. Yes they set policy directions BUT without a vision community 
> of citizens who genuinely support and own such visions, these will remain 
> concepts that will never see and translate to change the reality of the 
> citizen’s life. 
>  
> There is no justification what so ever for the leaders to maintain the 
> colonial legacy of the state being a master of the society by use of violence 
> and brutality for selfish interests. It is unfortunate the modern state still 
> struggles to conquer the society which has no army, wallows in poverty and 
> disease. 
> Highly militarized yet continues in fear and suspicion that it is only safe 
> in as far as the society is fully demilitarized.  The state structures forget 
> they are busy structuring the society just like the society is struggling to 
> structure the very state structures as long as there are extreme imbalances. 
>  
> This is the nature of life and humanity that conflicts arise to regulate 
> extreme imbalances that are created. It is foolishness to think that the 
> world is safer without opposition and without conflicts such a desire is 
> without knowledge and therefore folly. 
>  
> We need to prepare ourselves to deal with such oppositions and conflicts in a 
> civilized manner. The harder you hit at opposition the Harder it gets this 
> often drives to suicidal tendencies of permanent control by elimination of 
> human life. It’s precisely crimes against Humanity and a gross violation of 
> the social contract between the state and its Citizens.
>  
> Thanks and Kind regards
> Akuma Moses Odims
> Regional Civil peace program officer 
> MAYANK Development Association.
> Po.Box 1 Yumbe District.
> Tele: +256 773 887 704
> Email: odims2...@yahoo.com 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:17 PM, samuel andema 
>  wrote:
> Thanks for the updates, Tabu. This situation looks very volatile. If indeed 
> Machar is dead as some sources are speculating, I foresee total chaos and a 
> lot of bloodshed in South Sudan, unfortunately. But we hope for the best.
> Thanks.
> Sam
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, 18 December 2013, 10:03, Peter Odama  
> wrote:
> Tabu
> You're right I was in Rumbek one of the 1st cities in SouthSudan in 2004. 
> Garang had suspended salva kiir for indiscipline in 2000s: all his military 
> ranks removed this too provocked his ethic groups in Toni where he comes 
> from.By then kiir was Walkn he had financial problems even his children in 
> Nairobi couldn't have tuition. This wasnt seen lightly by his tribemates it 
> caused civil strive as such the 1st capital in Rumbek.was swifted to Juba as 
> one of the reasons among others dry spell that couldn't end. Kiir and Garang 
> made an open peace talk in Rumbek just two months before he's died and he 
> said if he dies kiir  will take over and he forgave kiir-this wasn't seen 
> good by dinkas from Nuba mt.and equatorians as been one of the serious 
> fighters of Khartoum. When Garang died it caused panic who will replace as 
> kiir had been recently pardoned and todate in aspirations Marchar assumed he 
> is suppose to replace Garang as he has been more popular than kiir ie why he 
> marchar. Was accused of double stardard for crossing to khartoum and Garand 
> refused to choose him, that he could cross to Khartoum and comes back to 
> SPLM. In short it will take decades for SouthSudan to know life 
> sustainability . As there is an eye for eye practiced.if u. Kill one. They 
> have to hunt and kill one ie it.my only concern who pressuring East African 
> community to accept SouthSudan to join at adolescent stage. Is it cause o

Re: [WestNileNet] Attempted Coup in South Sudan?

[moses akuma]

Dear Friends!
 
As long as African leaders don't appreciate the beauty of our
diversity and manage it well such bad and bloody history will be repeated and
replicated.
 
All Governments in Africa must harness deliberate efforts to
manage the political, religious, cultural, ethnic, social and economic
diversities of their countries as assets that birth new perspectives, ideas and
genuine contributions that improve problem solving.
 
 
If they do this, it will earn them respect and acceptance for
creating a nation building environment.  It is through such an approach
that we can rise above differences and embrace the bigger picture of developing
stable, peaceful and sustainable nations in Africa.  

This poverty of the
mind that teaches our leaders greed and selfishness is shared by the citizens
as long as the relationship between all stakeholders is not guided by selfless
leadership, clear communication and acts of working for the common purpose.

 In
my opinion the relationship between the State and the Society in Africa must
change.. The society is what forms the state not the leaders exclusively.. Yes
they set policy directions BUT without a vision community of citizens who
genuinely support and own such visions, these will remain concepts that will
never see and translate to change the reality of the citizen’s life. 
 
There is no justification what so ever for the leaders to maintain
the colonial legacy of the state being a master of the society by use of
violence and brutality for selfish interests. It is unfortunate the modern
state still struggles to conquer the society which has no army, wallows in
poverty and disease. 
Highly militarized yet continues in fear and suspicion that it is
only safe in as far as the society is fully demilitarized.  The state
structures forget they are busy structuring the society just like the society
is struggling to structure the very state structures as long as there are
extreme imbalances. 
 
This is the nature of life and humanity that conflicts arise to
regulate extreme imbalances that are created. It is foolishness to think that
the world is safer without opposition and without conflicts such a desire is
without knowledge and therefore folly. 
 
We need to prepare ourselves to deal with such oppositions and
conflicts in a civilized manner. The harder you hit at opposition the Harder it
gets this often drives to suicidal tendencies of permanent control by
elimination of human life. It’s precisely crimes against Humanity and a gross
violation of the social contract between the state and its Citizens.        

 
Thanks and Kind regards
Akuma Moses Odims
Regional Civil peace program officer 

MAYANK Development Association.
Po.Box 1 Yumbe District.
Tele: +256 773 887 704
Email: odims2...@yahoo.com 



On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:17 PM, samuel andema  
wrote:
 
Thanks for the updates, Tabu. This situation looks very volatile. If indeed 
Machar is dead as some sources are speculating, I foresee total chaos and a lot 
of bloodshed in South Sudan, unfortunately. But we hope for the best.
Thanks.
Sam



On Wednesday, 18 December 2013, 10:03, Peter Odama  
wrote:
 
Tabu
You're right I was in Rumbek one of the 1st cities in SouthSudan in 2004. 
Garang had suspended salva kiir for indiscipline in 2000s: all his military 
ranks removed this too provocked his ethic groups in Toni where he comes 
from.By then kiir was Walkn he had financial problems even his children in 
Nairobi couldn't have tuition. This wasnt seen lightly by his tribemates it 
caused civil strive as such the 1st capital in Rumbek.was swifted to Juba as 
one of the reasons among others dry spell that couldn't end. Kiir and Garang 
made an open peace talk in Rumbek just two months before he's died and he said 
if he dies kiir  will take over and he forgave kiir-this wasn't seen good by 
dinkas from Nuba mt.and equatorians as been one of the serious fighters of 
Khartoum. When Garang died it caused panic who will replace as kiir had been 
recently pardoned and todate in aspirations Marchar assumed he is suppose to 
replace Garang as he has been more popular than
 kiir ie why he marchar. Was accused of double stardard for crossing to 
khartoum and Garand refused to choose him, that he could cross to Khartoum and 
comes back to SPLM. In short it will take decades for SouthSudan to know life 
sustainability . As there is an eye for eye practiced.if u. Kill one. They have 
to hunt and kill one ie it.my only concern who pressuring East African 
community to accept SouthSudan to join at adolescent stage. Is it cause of dry 
blood dollars promises into personal powerful politicians accounts? south 
Sudan's propoems are more than ordinary proplems kisirinya shouldn't rash to us 
for safety and Democratic party of uganda wrote a letter in monitor requesting 
uganda to send UPDFs to SouthSudan. That is risky venture and unwise for a 
country like uganda to do.how can you send our professional soldiers to fight 
et