[whatwg] IRC and WWW integration proposal
Hi, I would like to submit a proposal of integration of websites and webpages with IRC. == Summary == To have some universal, standard protocol to indicate that a webpage or website has an IRC channel or network associated with it. == Purpose == For anyone to write scripts which would check whether a website has an irc channel or network for it. Usecase 1: I search for python and see a link to their website in search results, and the search engine looks up both title and IRC info - so I see webpage title, and a link to its irc network or channel. Usecase 2: Browsers implement some interface to display IRC channel link or window when user visits a page. Advantages: - The websites will benefit from this and will not have to manually embed qwebirc or Mibbit instances into their webpages anymore[1], leaving the IRC client preference to the user (choose from locally installed clients, or a client provided by the website). - User would not have to skim a page of text to locate and click an irc:// link manually, as such links would be a part of browser interface (an IRC icon like RSS feed icon?). == Short desc == The IRC info should be inside of a page HEAD tag. It should include a link to an IRC network or an IRC channel with a note of whether it's for the entire website, or specific for this webpage. There could be two group of entries too, one for the website, and another one for this page. Related specs: -- IRC protocol [2] -- irc:// URL specs [3] -- meta, head, link tags specs (you really know where they are) == Basic syntax == There could be different ways to indicate this information in the HEAD tag; we should pick one of them and standartise it. Option #1 link rel=officialirc scope=site href=irc://server.tld/#channel (scope = site or scope = page) (multiple tags allowed) Option #2 meta name=irc scope=site content=irc://server.tld/#channel / (multiple tags allowed) Option #3 irc network=networkname server ssl=yes port=6697 hostname=foo/ server ssl=no port=6667 hostname=bar channel=baz1/ channel=baz2 /irc I'm more inclined to pick any one of the first two options (probably 1?). == Browser behaviour == When user clicks a part of browser interface referring to IRC, he's presented with - a list of network(s) and/or channel(s) the page advertises, and - a list of IRC clients to use. For this purpose, the metadata should include IRC webchat URL if the website wants to have one (self-hosted, or a service like Mibbit) in addition to the IRC clients user has installed on his machine. [1] http://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Widget [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459 [3] http://www.w3.org/Addressing/draft-mirashi-url-irc-01.txt Welcome any feedback and help shaping a standard if need be. Gryllida.
Re: [whatwg] IRC and WWW integration proposal
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 05:24:58 +0100 Nils Dagsson Moskopp n...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: Gryllida gryll...@gmail.com schrieb am Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:26:00 +1030: == Summary == To have some universal, standard protocol to indicate that a webpage or website has an IRC channel or network associated with it. Associated in what form? Which verb describles the relationship between the web page and the IRC channel? Also, I would call the link relation „chat“ or something, there are other protocols than IRC, e.g. XMPP. -- Nils Dagsson Moskopp // erlehmann http://dieweltistgarnichtso.net Probably associated as in 'have', that a page/site 'has' its channel somewhere. Acknowledge XMPP support in that, might need a 'protocol' attribute or just an xmpp:// URL? --Gryllida.
Re: [whatwg] IRC and WWW integration proposal
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 05:55:11 +0100
Nils Dagsson Moskopp n...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote:
Gryllida gryll...@gmail.com schrieb am Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:01:26 +1030:
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 05:24:58 +0100
Nils Dagsson Moskopp n...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote:
Gryllida gryll...@gmail.com schrieb am Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:26:00
+1030:
== Summary ==
To have some universal, standard protocol to indicate that a
webpage or website has an IRC channel or network associated with
it.
Associated in what form? Which verb describles the relationship
between the web page and the IRC channel? Also, I would call the
link relation „chat“ or something, there are other protocols than
IRC, e.g. XMPP. --
Nils Dagsson Moskopp // erlehmann
http://dieweltistgarnichtso.net
Probably associated as in 'have', that a page/site 'has' its channel
somewhere. Acknowledge XMPP support in that, might need a 'protocol'
attribute or just an xmpp:// URL?
“to have” as you use it .ust denotes a relationship exists (as in “I
have a sister.”), but not which one. My fault, the question should have
been “What noun describes the IRC channel in relation to the web
page?”. For a feed, for example, this can be answered with „this is an
alternate representation of the content“.
A protocol attribute for link elements would be totally hilarious.
--
Nils Dagsson Moskopp // erlehmann
http://dieweltistgarnichtso.net
It is rather common to have a channel for a website, not just one page.
There are some exceptions of sites which have subsites with a channel for each.
A {IRC, XMPP} channel is an official chat medium aiming to serve as an
official {support, development, contact} means.
For example,
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Themes irc://irc.mozilla.org/themedev -
discussion of theme development for Mozilla platform
http://www.ubuntu.com/* irc://irc.ubuntu.com/ - official support channel for
the distro
the w3c network for individual sections of website - channels for development
collaboration and meetings
c
I think a protocol attribute might be redundant as it is a part of the URL.
It may be worth noting that every part of the note I originally sent is
possible to look up and you can try finding proper way to phrase things (I have
no experience in writing documentation of this sort).
--Gryllida.
