Re: [Wien] Convergence problem

2015-01-02 Thread Fecher, Gerhard
Maybe this paper also helps

K. Lejaeghere, V. Van Speybroeck G. Van Oost, and S. Cottenier
Error Estimates for Solid-State Density-Functional
Theory Predictions: An Overview by Means of the
Ground-State Elemental Crystals
Critical Reviews in Solid State and Materials Sciences, 39:1–24, 2014
DOI: 10.1080/10408436.2013.772503

Ciao
Gerhard

DEEP THOUGHT in D. Adams; Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy:
I think the problem, to be quite honest with you,
is that you have never actually known what the question is.


Dr. Gerhard H. Fecher
Institut of Inorganic and Analytical Chemistry
Johannes Gutenberg - University
55099 Mainz
and
Max Planck Institute for Chemical Physics of Solids
01187 Dresden

Von: wien-boun...@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at 
[wien-boun...@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at] im Auftrag von 
t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at [t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Januar 2015 21:36
An: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users
Betreff: Re: [Wien] Convergence problem

From the total energies it's difficult to say. It's better to
compare the cohesive energies. My cohesive energies for Fe and Ni
with the WC functional are 5.54 and 5.38 eV/atom, respectively, with
an error bar of 0.05 eV/atom maximum. In this paper you can find
PBE cohesive energies calculated with the VASP code (my PBE values
agree very well with them):
http://journals.aps.org/prb/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevB.87.214102

You have to know which error is acceptable for your purposes.


On Thu, 1 Jan 2015, Muhammad Sajjad wrote:

 Dear Tran Thank you for your further help. I am also attaching here with the 
 structure file. Please let know the E0 values you calculated for Ni and Fe. 
 With me
 these values are -3040.43215615 and -2544.39535597 (in Ry) respectively.

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:52 AM, t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at wrote:
   Hi,

   The struct file that I used is attached. For my purpose, the size of
   the unit cell was large enough to avoid spurious interactions between
   neighbouring cells. Note that a, b and c are different in order to avoid
   to high symmetry.

   F. Tran

   On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Muhammad Sajjad wrote:

 Dear Prof. Marks and F. TranThank you so much for your helpful 
 suggestions. I was already doing the spin polarization calculations. I
 have got the convergence
 by using
 mixing factor 0.1, starting calculation with PRATT and then 
 switched to MSR1 after 7 cycles, and the command runsp_lapw -cc 0.1
 -in1ef -i 150
 The obtained magnetic moment was 2.9.

 Dear Tran I would really appreciate if you share some more 
 details about case.struct file. It will definitely be helpful for me as well
 as for others.

 Kind Regards
 Dr. Sajjad

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:50 AM, t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at 
 wrote:
   The calculation for an isolated atom with a code which uses 
 periodic
   boundary conditions (like WIEN2k) is not trivial. This is 
 what I have done
   recently for most atoms of the periodic table (excluding 
 f-systems), and
   for some of the transition-metal atoms this was extremely 
 difficult to
   achieve convergence.

   A few hints (that I used):

   1) It is important (and necessary depending on the atom) to 
 reduce the
   symmetry from cubic to, e.g., orthorhombic to be able to 
 access the
   electronic configuration with the lowest energy (this is 
 the procedure
   followed by several research groups like VASP for instance).
   If necessary I can give more details about the case.struct 
 that I used.

   2) lapw0 requires a lot of memory, while lapw1 requires both
   memory and time. To reduce computer time for lapw1, I was 
 using
   iterative digonalization (this was my command for all 
 atoms):
   runsp_lapw -ec 0.0001 -cc 0.0001 -it -i 1000 -NI

   3) For the Ni atom the magnetic moment should be 2:
   :MMTOT:  SPIN MAGNETIC MOMENT IN CELL =2.00238

   4) I was using the default setting for mixer.

   F. Tran

   On Sun, 28 Dec 2014, Laurence Marks wrote:


 Also, only 1 k-point (Gamma), an RMT and RKMax 
 similar to what you use for
 bulk Ni, particularly as I assume you are doing the 
 calculation to get an
 enthalpy of formation. You may have to use the mpi 
 versions as it is
 probably too large for a non-mpi run.

 If you are doing WC+U (or -ineece) the U (or on-site 
 hybrid) removes the
 

Re: [Wien] Convergence problem

2015-01-02 Thread Muhammad Sajjad
Dear Tran and F. Gerhard
Many thanks for your help. With me the Cohesive Energies for NI and Fe are
5.53 eV/atom and 5.92eV/atom

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 3:36 PM, t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at wrote:

 From the total energies it's difficult to say. It's better to
 compare the cohesive energies. My cohesive energies for Fe and Ni
 with the WC functional are 5.54 and 5.38 eV/atom, respectively, with
 an error bar of 0.05 eV/atom maximum. In this paper you can find
 PBE cohesive energies calculated with the VASP code (my PBE values
 agree very well with them):
 http://journals.aps.org/prb/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevB.87.214102

 You have to know which error is acceptable for your purposes.



 On Thu, 1 Jan 2015, Muhammad Sajjad wrote:

  Dear Tran Thank you for your further help. I am also attaching here with
 the structure file. Please let know the E0 values you calculated for Ni and
 Fe. With me
 these values are -3040.43215615 and -2544.39535597 (in Ry) respectively.

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:52 AM, t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at wrote:
   Hi,

   The struct file that I used is attached. For my purpose, the size of
   the unit cell was large enough to avoid spurious interactions
 between
   neighbouring cells. Note that a, b and c are different in order to
 avoid
   to high symmetry.

   F. Tran

   On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Muhammad Sajjad wrote:

 Dear Prof. Marks and F. TranThank you so much for your
 helpful suggestions. I was already doing the spin polarization
 calculations. I
 have got the convergence
 by using
 mixing factor 0.1, starting calculation with PRATT and then
 switched to MSR1 after 7 cycles, and the command runsp_lapw -cc 0.1
 -in1ef -i 150
 The obtained magnetic moment was 2.9.

 Dear Tran I would really appreciate if you share some more
 details about case.struct file. It will definitely be helpful for me as well
 as for others.

 Kind Regards
 Dr. Sajjad

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:50 AM, t...@theochem.tuwien.ac.at
 wrote:
   The calculation for an isolated atom with a code which
 uses periodic
   boundary conditions (like WIEN2k) is not trivial. This
 is what I have done
   recently for most atoms of the periodic table
 (excluding f-systems), and
   for some of the transition-metal atoms this was
 extremely difficult to
   achieve convergence.

   A few hints (that I used):

   1) It is important (and necessary depending on the
 atom) to reduce the
   symmetry from cubic to, e.g., orthorhombic to be able
 to access the
   electronic configuration with the lowest energy (this
 is the procedure
   followed by several research groups like VASP for
 instance).
   If necessary I can give more details about the
 case.struct that I used.

   2) lapw0 requires a lot of memory, while lapw1 requires
 both
   memory and time. To reduce computer time for lapw1, I
 was using
   iterative digonalization (this was my command for all
 atoms):
   runsp_lapw -ec 0.0001 -cc 0.0001 -it -i 1000 -NI

   3) For the Ni atom the magnetic moment should be 2:
   :MMTOT:  SPIN MAGNETIC MOMENT IN CELL =2.00238

   4) I was using the default setting for mixer.

   F. Tran

   On Sun, 28 Dec 2014, Laurence Marks wrote:


 Also, only 1 k-point (Gamma), an RMT and RKMax
 similar to what you use for
 bulk Ni, particularly as I assume you are doing
 the calculation to get an
 enthalpy of formation. You may have to use the
 mpi versions as it is
 probably too large for a non-mpi run.

 If you are doing WC+U (or -ineece) the U (or
 on-site hybrid) removes the
 phase transition so convergence should be simple.

 Straight WC is not a simple calculation because
 the physics for an isolated
 Ni atom is wrong. With wrong physics there is in
 fact no guarantee that the
 calculation will ever converge!

 ___
 Professor Laurence Marks
 Department of Materials Science and Engineering
 Northwestern University
 www.numis.northwestern.edu
 MURI4D.numis.northwestern.edu
 Co-Editor, Acta Cryst A
 Research is to see what everybody else has seen,
 and to think what nobody
 else has thought