Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
See also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Userboxes/Health/Mental
and semi-related
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Userboxes/Personality
plus the essays
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_disorder_editors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:High-functioning_autism_and_Asperger%27s_editors
(plus the French and Chinese Wikipedia's equivalent pages for that second
essay, which likely have different content)

Sidenote: I worry about those userboxes, for the same reasons mentioned in
this thread. I wonder if there ought to be a warning at the top of that
listing-page, reminding editors to be careful... [but userboxes are a
complicated can of worms, and it's probably been discussed before, so I
won't wade into it.]

--Quiddity
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread RhinosF1 -
Hey Jonathon,

I saw that earlier but what the category doesn’t show is what percentage of
editors are and whether that’s disproportiante.

I don’t think we can get that from a category due to the differing ways
people handle their userspace.

Thanks!

On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 21:41, WereSpielChequers 
wrote:

> I can fully understand that Wikipedians might be reluctant to reveal this
> sort of information, especially if they edit under their own name. But some
> do, and there are currently 624 Wikipedians who have put themselves in the
> category
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Wikipedians_with_Asperger_syndrome
> OK that includes quite a few duplicates, but so do the other user
> categories, most of which seem a lot smaller. By contrast there doesn't
> seem to be an ADHD category.
>
> Equally, I can remember several discussions where people have commented on
> the need for things to be done a certain way to accommodate people on that
> spectrum, while it is rare for similar comments to come up about other
> issues - colour blindness and other vision issues occasionally, but after
> the needs of people who use "text to speech", I wouldn't be surprised if
> Aspergers was the second most common I have seen mentioned in the
> community.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 16:49, RhinosF1 -  wrote:
>
> > Evening all,
> >
> > I hope everyone is doing well given the crazy world we’re living in.
> >
> > I was having a conversation with a few users on Discord today and we were
> > wondering whether wikimedia (or users of other similiar sites would be
> > fine) disproportinately fall into the category of having aspergers, ADHD
> > and other simmilar conditions.
> >
> > It would be even better if anyone knew what sort of areas these users
> were
> > more likely to work in.
> >
> > Following a chat with Issac in #wikimedia-research, I understand there
> > isn’t much support for this kind of research as users may not want to
> > reveal this information and there is no clear reason for collecting the
> > information but if anyone knows of past research or has any information,
> > that would be helpful.
> >
> > Stay Safe,
> > RhinosF1
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Samuel
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread WereSpielChequers
I can fully understand that Wikipedians might be reluctant to reveal this
sort of information, especially if they edit under their own name. But some
do, and there are currently 624 Wikipedians who have put themselves in the
category
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Wikipedians_with_Asperger_syndrome
OK that includes quite a few duplicates, but so do the other user
categories, most of which seem a lot smaller. By contrast there doesn't
seem to be an ADHD category.

Equally, I can remember several discussions where people have commented on
the need for things to be done a certain way to accommodate people on that
spectrum, while it is rare for similar comments to come up about other
issues - colour blindness and other vision issues occasionally, but after
the needs of people who use "text to speech", I wouldn't be surprised if
Aspergers was the second most common I have seen mentioned in the community.

Regards

Jonathan

On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 16:49, RhinosF1 -  wrote:

> Evening all,
>
> I hope everyone is doing well given the crazy world we’re living in.
>
> I was having a conversation with a few users on Discord today and we were
> wondering whether wikimedia (or users of other similiar sites would be
> fine) disproportinately fall into the category of having aspergers, ADHD
> and other simmilar conditions.
>
> It would be even better if anyone knew what sort of areas these users were
> more likely to work in.
>
> Following a chat with Issac in #wikimedia-research, I understand there
> isn’t much support for this kind of research as users may not want to
> reveal this information and there is no clear reason for collecting the
> information but if anyone knows of past research or has any information,
> that would be helpful.
>
> Stay Safe,
> RhinosF1
> --
> Thanks,
> Samuel
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread Joe Corneli
This section fills in some of the gaps left by the statement: "It is not
only people who do not care for rules, it is also the people who obsess
about rules."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarice_Phelps#Wikipedia_article
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread Jonathan Morgan
Gerard,

To clarify, what grosses me out ("makes me uncomfortable") is the prospect
of third parties gathering and storing sensitive personal information about
individual Wikipedia editors without proper oversight mechanisms. Health
and medical data is one of the most sensitive kinds of individual data that
exists. In the United States, as in many other countries, access to this
information is heavily regulated--as it should be. Researchers who gather
this kind of data should be held to a very high standard of proof that they
will use the data responsibly, and take specific care to avoid information
leakage. Ideally, they should be held legally responsible for proper
behavior--and that depends heavily on their local jurisdiction and on their
own truthfulness and transparency--things the rest of us in the movement
have little control over. In my opinion, anyone who cares about both
science and ethics should always err on the side of avoiding harm
--even if that sometimes
means refraining from asking research questions that have scientific merit
or that could yield practical community benefit.

To your comment about Clarice Phelps, I'm not aware of this individual (or
article?) and do not know what you are referring to. But I would caution
you not to make public speculative statements about the mental health
status of any editor, or make generalizations about the motivations or
actions of all people who you believe have particular mental
characteristics, based on specific incidents you have witnessed or
interactions you have had. If I have misread your statement, I apologize
for the error.

Best,
Jonathan

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:29 AM Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> We regularly have problems with people. We have people who are banned
> because people think they are problematic. We have banned people who have
> contributed hugely to our projects. The notion that it is stigmatising is a
> notion whereby we wash our hands in innocence, we do not want to know.
>
> It is one thing that you personally are grossed out but I hope you
> understand that given that this is an issue we need to address. It is not
> only people who do not care for rules, it is also the people who obsess
> about rules. You find it in the excessive attention for Clarice Phelps.
> People do get hurt, people do get traumatised because of this inattention.
> Thanks,
>GerardM
>
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 17:58, Jonathan Morgan 
> wrote:
>
> > There's this study
> > <
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Construction_and_Application_of_Personality_Profile_Based_on_User_Behavior_in_Wikipedia
> > >
> > but I don't know if it was ever completed (and as you can infer from my
> > posts on the talkpage, I very much hope it was NOT).
> >
> > In general, any kind of psychometric profiling of Wikipedia editors kind
> of
> > grosses me out. But as an armchair psychologist myself, as well as a
> > non-neurotypical individual, sure I'm happy to hypothesize that there are
> > many of us in the projects. It takes a certain mindset to find the
> process
> > of building an encyclopedia using 20-year old software paradigms to be
> > engaging ;)
> >
> > - J
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:49 AM RhinosF1 -  wrote:
> >
> > > Evening all,
> > >
> > > I hope everyone is doing well given the crazy world we’re living in.
> > >
> > > I was having a conversation with a few users on Discord today and we
> were
> > > wondering whether wikimedia (or users of other similiar sites would be
> > > fine) disproportinately fall into the category of having aspergers,
> ADHD
> > > and other simmilar conditions.
> > >
> > > It would be even better if anyone knew what sort of areas these users
> > were
> > > more likely to work in.
> > >
> > > Following a chat with Issac in #wikimedia-research, I understand there
> > > isn’t much support for this kind of research as users may not want to
> > > reveal this information and there is no clear reason for collecting the
> > > information but if anyone knows of past research or has any
> information,
> > > that would be helpful.
> > >
> > > Stay Safe,
> > > RhinosF1
> > > --
> > > Thanks,
> > > Samuel
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> >
> >
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> > Senior Design Researcher
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > User:Jmorgan (WMF) 
> > (Uses He/Him)
> >
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread RhinosF1 -
Hi Lelia,

That provides a lot of insight! I’ll give it a deep look tommorow.

Applies to some areas of the movement but not more content-related ones.

Thanks!

On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 20:02, Leila Zia  wrote:

> Hi RhinosF1,
>
> If you already haven't seen it, you may be interested to check out
> StackOverflow's Annual Developer Survey. Every year, they ask
> developers across the globe a variety of questions including their
> demographics and within that they have a category called developer
> profile. Check out their 2019 results [1]. They specifically collect
> data on mood or emotional disorder, anxiety disorder, concentration
> and/or memory disorder, and autism spectrum disorder:
>
> https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#developer-profile-_-disability-status
>
> Best,
> Leila
>
> [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019
>
> --
> Leila Zia
> Head of Research
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:50 AM RhinosF1 -  wrote:
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > I think the quote “ Wikipedians are not disproportionately ADHD, perhaps
> > the reverse.” is an interesting opinion as the view of many seems to be
> > that Wikimedia Projects require charectersitics common of people in those
> > groups.
> >
> > Gerard, I agree that we can have issues with people.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 19:29, Gerard Meijssen 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > We regularly have problems with people. We have people who are banned
> > > because people think they are problematic. We have banned people who
> have
> > > contributed hugely to our projects. The notion that it is stigmatising
> is a
> > > notion whereby we wash our hands in innocence, we do not want to know.
> > >
> > > It is one thing that you personally are grossed out but I hope you
> > > understand that given that this is an issue we need to address. It is
> not
> > > only people who do not care for rules, it is also the people who obsess
> > > about rules. You find it in the excessive attention for Clarice Phelps.
> > > People do get hurt, people do get traumatised because of this
> inattention.
> > > Thanks,
> > >GerardM
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 17:58, Jonathan Morgan 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > There's this study
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Construction_and_Application_of_Personality_Profile_Based_on_User_Behavior_in_Wikipedia
> > > > >
> > > > but I don't know if it was ever completed (and as you can infer from
> my
> > > > posts on the talkpage, I very much hope it was NOT).
> > > >
> > > > In general, any kind of psychometric profiling of Wikipedia editors
> kind
> > > of
> > > > grosses me out. But as an armchair psychologist myself, as well as a
> > > > non-neurotypical individual, sure I'm happy to hypothesize that
> there are
> > > > many of us in the projects. It takes a certain mindset to find the
> > > process
> > > > of building an encyclopedia using 20-year old software paradigms to
> be
> > > > engaging ;)
> > > >
> > > > - J
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:49 AM RhinosF1 - 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Evening all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope everyone is doing well given the crazy world we’re living
> in.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was having a conversation with a few users on Discord today and
> we
> > > were
> > > > > wondering whether wikimedia (or users of other similiar sites
> would be
> > > > > fine) disproportinately fall into the category of having aspergers,
> > > ADHD
> > > > > and other simmilar conditions.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be even better if anyone knew what sort of areas these
> users
> > > > were
> > > > > more likely to work in.
> > > > >
> > > > > Following a chat with Issac in #wikimedia-research, I understand
> there
> > > > > isn’t much support for this kind of research as users may not want
> to
> > > > > reveal this information and there is no clear reason for
> collecting the
> > > > > information but if anyone knows of past research or has any
> > > information,
> > > > > that would be helpful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stay Safe,
> > > > > RhinosF1
> > > > > --
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Samuel
> > > > > ___
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> > > > > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jonathan T. Morgan
> > > > Senior Design Researcher
> > > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > > User:Jmorgan (WMF) <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jmorgan_(WMF)>
> > > > (Uses He/Him)
> > > >
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> > > > weekends*
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread Leila Zia
Hi RhinosF1,

If you already haven't seen it, you may be interested to check out
StackOverflow's Annual Developer Survey. Every year, they ask
developers across the globe a variety of questions including their
demographics and within that they have a category called developer
profile. Check out their 2019 results [1]. They specifically collect
data on mood or emotional disorder, anxiety disorder, concentration
and/or memory disorder, and autism spectrum disorder:
https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#developer-profile-_-disability-status

Best,
Leila

[1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019

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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:50 AM RhinosF1 -  wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> I think the quote “ Wikipedians are not disproportionately ADHD, perhaps
> the reverse.” is an interesting opinion as the view of many seems to be
> that Wikimedia Projects require charectersitics common of people in those
> groups.
>
> Gerard, I agree that we can have issues with people.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 19:29, Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > We regularly have problems with people. We have people who are banned
> > because people think they are problematic. We have banned people who have
> > contributed hugely to our projects. The notion that it is stigmatising is a
> > notion whereby we wash our hands in innocence, we do not want to know.
> >
> > It is one thing that you personally are grossed out but I hope you
> > understand that given that this is an issue we need to address. It is not
> > only people who do not care for rules, it is also the people who obsess
> > about rules. You find it in the excessive attention for Clarice Phelps.
> > People do get hurt, people do get traumatised because of this inattention.
> > Thanks,
> >GerardM
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 17:58, Jonathan Morgan 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > There's this study
> > > <
> > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Construction_and_Application_of_Personality_Profile_Based_on_User_Behavior_in_Wikipedia
> > > >
> > > but I don't know if it was ever completed (and as you can infer from my
> > > posts on the talkpage, I very much hope it was NOT).
> > >
> > > In general, any kind of psychometric profiling of Wikipedia editors kind
> > of
> > > grosses me out. But as an armchair psychologist myself, as well as a
> > > non-neurotypical individual, sure I'm happy to hypothesize that there are
> > > many of us in the projects. It takes a certain mindset to find the
> > process
> > > of building an encyclopedia using 20-year old software paradigms to be
> > > engaging ;)
> > >
> > > - J
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:49 AM RhinosF1 -  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Evening all,
> > > >
> > > > I hope everyone is doing well given the crazy world we’re living in.
> > > >
> > > > I was having a conversation with a few users on Discord today and we
> > were
> > > > wondering whether wikimedia (or users of other similiar sites would be
> > > > fine) disproportinately fall into the category of having aspergers,
> > ADHD
> > > > and other simmilar conditions.
> > > >
> > > > It would be even better if anyone knew what sort of areas these users
> > > were
> > > > more likely to work in.
> > > >
> > > > Following a chat with Issac in #wikimedia-research, I understand there
> > > > isn’t much support for this kind of research as users may not want to
> > > > reveal this information and there is no clear reason for collecting the
> > > > information but if anyone knows of past research or has any
> > information,
> > > > that would be helpful.
> > > >
> > > > Stay Safe,
> > > > RhinosF1
> > > > --
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Samuel
> > > > ___
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> > > > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jonathan T. Morgan
> > > Senior Design Researcher
> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > User:Jmorgan (WMF) 
> > > (Uses He/Him)
> > >
> > > *Please note that I do not expect a response from you on evenings or
> > > weekends*
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread RhinosF1 -
Hey,

I think the quote “ Wikipedians are not disproportionately ADHD, perhaps
the reverse.” is an interesting opinion as the view of many seems to be
that Wikimedia Projects require charectersitics common of people in those
groups.

Gerard, I agree that we can have issues with people.

Thanks!

On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 19:29, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> We regularly have problems with people. We have people who are banned
> because people think they are problematic. We have banned people who have
> contributed hugely to our projects. The notion that it is stigmatising is a
> notion whereby we wash our hands in innocence, we do not want to know.
>
> It is one thing that you personally are grossed out but I hope you
> understand that given that this is an issue we need to address. It is not
> only people who do not care for rules, it is also the people who obsess
> about rules. You find it in the excessive attention for Clarice Phelps.
> People do get hurt, people do get traumatised because of this inattention.
> Thanks,
>GerardM
>
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 17:58, Jonathan Morgan 
> wrote:
>
> > There's this study
> > <
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Construction_and_Application_of_Personality_Profile_Based_on_User_Behavior_in_Wikipedia
> > >
> > but I don't know if it was ever completed (and as you can infer from my
> > posts on the talkpage, I very much hope it was NOT).
> >
> > In general, any kind of psychometric profiling of Wikipedia editors kind
> of
> > grosses me out. But as an armchair psychologist myself, as well as a
> > non-neurotypical individual, sure I'm happy to hypothesize that there are
> > many of us in the projects. It takes a certain mindset to find the
> process
> > of building an encyclopedia using 20-year old software paradigms to be
> > engaging ;)
> >
> > - J
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:49 AM RhinosF1 -  wrote:
> >
> > > Evening all,
> > >
> > > I hope everyone is doing well given the crazy world we’re living in.
> > >
> > > I was having a conversation with a few users on Discord today and we
> were
> > > wondering whether wikimedia (or users of other similiar sites would be
> > > fine) disproportinately fall into the category of having aspergers,
> ADHD
> > > and other simmilar conditions.
> > >
> > > It would be even better if anyone knew what sort of areas these users
> > were
> > > more likely to work in.
> > >
> > > Following a chat with Issac in #wikimedia-research, I understand there
> > > isn’t much support for this kind of research as users may not want to
> > > reveal this information and there is no clear reason for collecting the
> > > information but if anyone knows of past research or has any
> information,
> > > that would be helpful.
> > >
> > > Stay Safe,
> > > RhinosF1
> > > --
> > > Thanks,
> > > Samuel
> > > ___
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> > > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan T. Morgan
> > Senior Design Researcher
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > User:Jmorgan (WMF) 
> > (Uses He/Him)
> >
> > *Please note that I do not expect a response from you on evenings or
> > weekends*
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
We regularly have problems with people. We have people who are banned
because people think they are problematic. We have banned people who have
contributed hugely to our projects. The notion that it is stigmatising is a
notion whereby we wash our hands in innocence, we do not want to know.

It is one thing that you personally are grossed out but I hope you
understand that given that this is an issue we need to address. It is not
only people who do not care for rules, it is also the people who obsess
about rules. You find it in the excessive attention for Clarice Phelps.
People do get hurt, people do get traumatised because of this inattention.
Thanks,
   GerardM

On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 17:58, Jonathan Morgan  wrote:

> There's this study
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Construction_and_Application_of_Personality_Profile_Based_on_User_Behavior_in_Wikipedia
> >
> but I don't know if it was ever completed (and as you can infer from my
> posts on the talkpage, I very much hope it was NOT).
>
> In general, any kind of psychometric profiling of Wikipedia editors kind of
> grosses me out. But as an armchair psychologist myself, as well as a
> non-neurotypical individual, sure I'm happy to hypothesize that there are
> many of us in the projects. It takes a certain mindset to find the process
> of building an encyclopedia using 20-year old software paradigms to be
> engaging ;)
>
> - J
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:49 AM RhinosF1 -  wrote:
>
> > Evening all,
> >
> > I hope everyone is doing well given the crazy world we’re living in.
> >
> > I was having a conversation with a few users on Discord today and we were
> > wondering whether wikimedia (or users of other similiar sites would be
> > fine) disproportinately fall into the category of having aspergers, ADHD
> > and other simmilar conditions.
> >
> > It would be even better if anyone knew what sort of areas these users
> were
> > more likely to work in.
> >
> > Following a chat with Issac in #wikimedia-research, I understand there
> > isn’t much support for this kind of research as users may not want to
> > reveal this information and there is no clear reason for collecting the
> > information but if anyone knows of past research or has any information,
> > that would be helpful.
> >
> > Stay Safe,
> > RhinosF1
> > --
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> > Samuel
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread Finn Aarup Nielsen

For the reviews that summarized research some time ago:

The people's encyclopedia under the gaze of the sages: A systematic 
review of scholarly research on Wikipedia (page 56

https://orbit.dtu.dk/ws/files/52914302/SSRN_id2021326.pdf

Wikipedia research and tools: Review and comments (page 23)
http://www.imm.dtu.dk/pubdb/views/edoc_download.php/6012/pdf/imm6012.pdf

we only found the Amichai-Hamburger et al. study (or at least I only 
recall finding):


Yair Amichai-Hamburger, Naama Lamdan, Rinat Madiel, and Tsahi Hayat. 
Personality characteristics of wikipedia members. CyberPsychology &

Behavior, 11(6):679–681, December 2008.

I summarized it with:

Application of the Big Five Inventory and Real-Me personality 
questionnaires to 139 Wikipedia and non-Wikipedia users. The recruitment 
was based on targeting posting of links. Wikipedians scored lower on 
agreeableness and higher on openness. Differences in extroversion and 
conscientiousness depended on the sex of the subject.



My guess is that Wikipedians are not disproportionately ADHD, perhaps 
the reverse.



Finn Årup Nielsen


On 4/2/20 5:49 PM, RhinosF1 - wrote:

Evening all,

I hope everyone is doing well given the crazy world we’re living in.

I was having a conversation with a few users on Discord today and we were
wondering whether wikimedia (or users of other similiar sites would be
fine) disproportinately fall into the category of having aspergers, ADHD
and other simmilar conditions.

It would be even better if anyone knew what sort of areas these users were
more likely to work in.

Following a chat with Issac in #wikimedia-research, I understand there
isn’t much support for this kind of research as users may not want to
reveal this information and there is no clear reason for collecting the
information but if anyone knows of past research or has any information,
that would be helpful.

Stay Safe,
RhinosF1



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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread RhinosF1 -
Hi,

I saw that J and I don’t think (luckily) it ever finished.

Your comment about it taking “a certain mindset” is very true and the
reason behind this post.

Joe, If you can help us bring any data to “good use” allowing a “more
emergent understanding” then please feel free to fire out suggestions.

Thanks!


On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 17:11, Joe Corneli  wrote:

> I wonder if rather than trying to sort people into existing categories, it
> would be useful to have a more emergent understanding of Wikimedia and the
> broader open source community.  Obviously we should be careful because it
> could amount to playing with fire (cf. Cambridge Analytica).  *However*
> there may also be ways to use some of related techniques "for good".  With
> my colleagues at The Open University, we joked about "Milton Keynes
> Analytica".  Specifically, we started from the point of view thinking about
> how to model 'values'.  There's some overlap with psychological traits
> (e.g., openness) but I think values particularly lend themselves towards
> uses that support commons-creation rather than private-exploitation.  If
> you think about the anti-patterns that challenge values and value-based
> thinking, they are things like "dogma" (which would tend to shut down
> conversations rather than use them as an opportunity to explore multiple
> points of view).  In this sense it seems within Wikimedia's remit to
> embrace values, especially the values of contributors and users.
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread Joe Corneli
I wonder if rather than trying to sort people into existing categories, it
would be useful to have a more emergent understanding of Wikimedia and the
broader open source community.  Obviously we should be careful because it
could amount to playing with fire (cf. Cambridge Analytica).  *However*
there may also be ways to use some of related techniques "for good".  With
my colleagues at The Open University, we joked about "Milton Keynes
Analytica".  Specifically, we started from the point of view thinking about
how to model 'values'.  There's some overlap with psychological traits
(e.g., openness) but I think values particularly lend themselves towards
uses that support commons-creation rather than private-exploitation.  If
you think about the anti-patterns that challenge values and value-based
thinking, they are things like "dogma" (which would tend to shut down
conversations rather than use them as an opportunity to explore multiple
points of view).  In this sense it seems within Wikimedia's remit to
embrace values, especially the values of contributors and users.
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread Jonathan Morgan
There's this study

but I don't know if it was ever completed (and as you can infer from my
posts on the talkpage, I very much hope it was NOT).

In general, any kind of psychometric profiling of Wikipedia editors kind of
grosses me out. But as an armchair psychologist myself, as well as a
non-neurotypical individual, sure I'm happy to hypothesize that there are
many of us in the projects. It takes a certain mindset to find the process
of building an encyclopedia using 20-year old software paradigms to be
engaging ;)

- J

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:49 AM RhinosF1 -  wrote:

> Evening all,
>
> I hope everyone is doing well given the crazy world we’re living in.
>
> I was having a conversation with a few users on Discord today and we were
> wondering whether wikimedia (or users of other similiar sites would be
> fine) disproportinately fall into the category of having aspergers, ADHD
> and other simmilar conditions.
>
> It would be even better if anyone knew what sort of areas these users were
> more likely to work in.
>
> Following a chat with Issac in #wikimedia-research, I understand there
> isn’t much support for this kind of research as users may not want to
> reveal this information and there is no clear reason for collecting the
> information but if anyone knows of past research or has any information,
> that would be helpful.
>
> Stay Safe,
> RhinosF1
> --
> Thanks,
> Samuel
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[Wiki-research-l] Asperges, ADHD and editors

2020-04-02 Thread RhinosF1 -
Evening all,

I hope everyone is doing well given the crazy world we’re living in.

I was having a conversation with a few users on Discord today and we were
wondering whether wikimedia (or users of other similiar sites would be
fine) disproportinately fall into the category of having aspergers, ADHD
and other simmilar conditions.

It would be even better if anyone knew what sort of areas these users were
more likely to work in.

Following a chat with Issac in #wikimedia-research, I understand there
isn’t much support for this kind of research as users may not want to
reveal this information and there is no clear reason for collecting the
information but if anyone knows of past research or has any information,
that would be helpful.

Stay Safe,
RhinosF1
-- 
Thanks,
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