[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-03-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17160

Leinad danny.lei...@gmail.com changed:

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17160

mybugs.m...@gmail.com changed:

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17160

--- Comment #17 from Leinad danny.lei...@gmail.com 2011-02-13 19:19:14 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #16)
 See r82029

Yay! This is wonderful suprise :))

I have some observations/questions:
* I tried add $namespaceGenderAliases via LocalSettings.php, but it is not work
- only works via MessagesPl.php. 
* Are you planning to allow add default names in $namespaceGenderAliases via
platform translatewiki or I should request in new bug?
* Gender form is visible only in h1 and URL, but not in tab. In my opinion if
$namespaceGenderAliases is enabled, there should exist MediaWiki messages for
tab with proper gender form.

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17160

--- Comment #18 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2011-02-13 
20:47:48 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #17)
 I have some observations/questions:
 * I tried add $namespaceGenderAliases via LocalSettings.php, but it is not 
 work
 - only works via MessagesPl.php. 

Yes, it is like any other variable in MessagesXx.php

 * Are you planning to allow add default names in $namespaceGenderAliases via
 platform translatewiki or I should request in new bug?

Currently there is no way to add them directly in twn. Should be done either in
bugzilla or through Support on twn. Sorry I didn't actually read the first
comment in this bug.

 * Gender form is visible only in h1 and URL, but not in tab. In my opinion 
 if
 $namespaceGenderAliases is enabled, there should exist MediaWiki messages for
 tab with proper gender form.

Was it you or someone else which suggested the workaround
{{GENDER:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|...}}. Anyway, could you open a separate bug for it
so that I don't forget it.

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17160

--- Comment #19 from Leinad danny.lei...@gmail.com 2011-02-13 21:46:09 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #18)
 (In reply to comment #17)
  I have some observations/questions:
  * I tried add $namespaceGenderAliases via LocalSettings.php, but it is not 
  work
  - only works via MessagesPl.php. 
 
 Yes, it is like any other variable in MessagesXx.php

Sorry, but I'm not sure... $namespaceGenderAliases will be not possible to set
in LocalSettings.php? I thought will be the same as $wgExtraNamespaces. For
example:

In default MediaWiki instalaltion there is
(http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesPl.php?view=markup):
$namespaceNames = array(
   NS_USER = 'Użytkownik',
);

but in own installation is possible to set own name
(http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php):
'wgExtraNamespaces' = array(
'plwiki' = array( 
NS_USER = 'Wikipedysta',
),
),


  * Gender form is visible only in h1 and URL, but not in tab. In my 
  opinion if
  $namespaceGenderAliases is enabled, there should exist MediaWiki messages 
  for
  tab with proper gender form.
 
 Was it you or someone else which suggested the workaround
 {{GENDER:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|...}}. Anyway, could you open a separate bug for it
 so that I don't forget it.

Ok, done bug27387.

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
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--- Comment #20 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2011-02-14 
07:36:41 UTC ---
For WMF it can be specified in WikimediaMessages extension, for other installs
another extension is needed.

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
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Ilmari Karonen nos...@vyznev.net changed:

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--- Comment #15 from Ilmari Karonen nos...@vyznev.net 2011-02-12 17:13:54 UTC 
---
(In reply to comment #14)
 Somewhat tested patch is at http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/gender.txt .

Minor suggestion: the structure you suggest for the $namespaceGenderAliases
array looks kind of ugly to me.  Something like

 $namespaceGenderAliases = array(
 NS_USER = array( 'male' = 'Male_user', 'female' = 'Female_user' ),
 );

would make more sense to me.

Also, you might want to skip the GenderCache::needed() shortcut and just call
$wgContLang-needsGenderDistinction() from LinkBatch directly.  That way you
should be able to avoid loading GenderCache.php at all for wikis that don't
need it.

The rest of it looks pretty good to me, though.

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17160

Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com changed:

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||FIXED

--- Comment #16 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2011-02-12 
20:49:20 UTC ---
See r82029

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
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--- Comment #13 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2011-02-11 
15:23:20 UTC ---
I've been working a new patch on my free time. The remaining issues are mostly
about efficiency.

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
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--- Comment #14 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2011-02-11 
21:07:53 UTC ---
Somewhat tested patch is at http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/gender.txt . It
works fine for me, but I would like to have it tested in a language that really
uses those.

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
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Siebrand s.mazel...@xs4all.nl changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|Add ability to show |Gender specific display
   |feminine version of User: |text for User namespace
   |in female users' user   |
   |pages' titles   |

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
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--- Comment #8 from Liangent liang...@gmail.com 2011-02-10 17:02:41 UTC ---
1) Solution used in the Language Converter to convert namespace names to
different variants may be useful. (Make the primary one English, Wikipedysta
and Wikipedystka aliases, and change it on display)

2) I guess Wikipedysta or Wikipedystka means Wikipedian. Should a word with a
meaning of User be used?

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
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Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org changed:

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--- Comment #9 from Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org 2011-02-10 
17:08:52 UTC ---
Is there a gender-neutral word for User?

But yes, a word meaning User would be better, I think.  You can work towards
that change on TranslateWiki.

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
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--- Comment #10 from Leinad danny.lei...@gmail.com 2011-02-10 17:14:21 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #8)
 2) I guess Wikipedysta or Wikipedystka means Wikipedian. Should a word with a
 meaning of User be used?

Yes, Wikipedysta and Wikipedystka are a names for users of Wikipedia.

Default names for MediaWiki installation should be Użytkownik (male) and
Użytkowniczka (female).

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
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--- Comment #11 from Leinad danny.lei...@gmail.com 2011-02-10 17:53:23 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #9)
 Is there a gender-neutral word for User?

In Polish - no (and probably the same sitution in other Slavic languages).

We use the masculine form as a gender-neutral, *only* if we do not have in mind
a specific person. But if I know that I speak with a woman, then I use the
feminine form - if someone uses the masculine form it is very rude.

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[Bug 17160] Gender specific display text for User namespace

2011-02-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon 
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--- Comment #12 from mybugs.m...@gmail.com 2011-02-10 18:13:28 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #11)
 (In reply to comment #9)
  Is there a gender-neutral word for User?
 
 In Polish - no (and probably the same sitution in other Slavic languages).
 
 We use the masculine form as a gender-neutral, *only* if we do not have in 
 mind
 a specific person. But if I know that I speak with a woman, then I use the
 feminine form - if someone uses the masculine form it is very rude.

The same applies for Portuguese. See for example this discussion: 
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Altera%C3%A7%C3%A3o_nos_nomes_dos_dom%C3%ADnios_de_discuss%C3%A3o_(10dez2010)

Not only there are different words used for masculine/feminine, but also, for
different variants of Portuguese, e.g. pt-PT and pt-BR.

Currently, the pt-BR/masculine word Usuário is used, but this situation is
far from ideal, since it is not adequate for pt-PT, pt-AO, pt-... users and for
female users neither.

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