[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 --- Comment #19 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il --- I'd like to refocus this issue only on ref and little else. In actuality, it's not impossible to have these tags localized. It's already done in LabeledSectionTransclusion. However, I don't actually think that localizing all tags to all languages is important. In the coming age of VisualEditor localization of tags is supposed to become entirely irrelevant, because ideally they should be used only internally and not typed by editors. Until that age comes, however, people will do a lot of manual adding, removing and editing of tags in wiki syntax mode. For tags like poem and timeline it's not actually disastrous and nobody really complains about them (the content of timeline is a pain in RTL, but that's an entirely different issue). For ref however, it's a nightmare in RTL languages. What I am imagining at this point is a way to get ref localized to RTL languages (and probably not even all of them) using a mechanism that is works with wiki syntax and with VisualEditor and Parsoid, and to be ready to get rid of it in the far future when direct wiki syntax editing becomes unimportant. I committed an experimental patch for this: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/163467/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |PATCH_TO_REVIEW Assignee|wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia. |amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.i |org |l -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 --- Comment #18 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il --- Pingy. This is being discussed in the Hebrew Wikipedia again in the same context: VisualEditor. VE inserts ref tags for footnotes, but the community strongly prefers a template, because using the explicit tag makes source editing hard. A bot is replacing all ref tags to that template. This essentially means that references cannot be edited as such by the VE in the Hebrew Wikipedia, but as templates, which makes VE editing experience confusing - an editor expects to edit a footnote, but gets a template editing dialog. Resolving this bug should make everybody happy. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
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Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il changed:
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--- Comment #17 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il ---
(In reply to comment #16)
If it wasn't for bug 43685, I would have suggested to use a template instead
(something like {{הערה|reftext|refname|refgroup}}). A neat and painless
approach I believe.
Well, the Hebrew Wikipedia already uses such a template for most references,
because it's just much easier to edit articles using it.
I'm coming back to this bug now for a somewhat surprising and upside-down
reason: The VisualEditor. It has a nice button for inserting references, and
the button, naturally, inserts ref. It can also edit existing footnotes only
if they use ref.
Ideally it would be fine, because the VE is supposed to hide markup from
editors, but as long as the VE is not completely stable and a lot of people
continue editing in source, this will be a major problem. Localizing at least
the ref tag can be a nice compromise.
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[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|niklas.laxst...@gmail.com |wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia. ||org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
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--- Comment #16 from Dalba dalba.w...@gmail.com ---
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Parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized.
Replacing ref with something like הערה
would make adding references to RTL wikis a lot easier. The same is true for
the other tags of this kind.
If it wasn't for bug 43685, I would have suggested to use a template instead
(something like {{הערה|reftext|refname|refgroup}}). A neat and painless
approach I believe.
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[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 sheac shealen.cl...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|High|Normal CC||shealen.cl...@gmail.com --- Comment #15 from sheac shealen.cl...@gmail.com 2012-05-04 21:43:35 UTC --- This bug has not been touched in at least six months. With this in mind, I've been asked by the bugmeister to bump this bug's priority down for High. Concerns can be addressed to m...@everybody.org. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 Siebrand s.mazel...@xs4all.nl changed: What|Removed |Added AssignedTo|vasi...@gmail.com |niklas.laxst...@gmail.com --- Comment #12 from Siebrand s.mazel...@xs4all.nl 2011-09-12 12:36:21 UTC --- Niklas and I discussed options. We think we must provide a solution for this. Arguments that it is confusing for users speaking other languages, or that robots and other tooling may have issues with it are less important than proper language support for users. We are of the opinion that we should implement this in regular MediaWiki messages, tagged optional, containing a comma separated list of aliases, with the English language parser tag as default value. Message keys will look like prefix_chosen_by_developer-parsertag. Assigned to Niklas. Victor, let us know if you have something prepared already, because it's been assigned to you for four months... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 --- Comment #13 from Bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com 2011-09-12 18:22:59 UTC --- We are of the opinion that we should implement this in regular MediaWiki messages, tagged optional, containing a comma separated list of aliases, with the English language parser tag as default value. This would put localized parser tag names in the hands of the users via the mediawiki namespace. This seems like a bad idea. A user could cause wide spread problems by editing such a message ( bug 23287 comes to mind. But the simple fact that changes wouldn't be immediately apparent since every page would need to be re-parsed to see if there is stuff that would now (or no longer) be a parser tag seems confusing enough to the end user to not want users to be able to change these parser tag aliases) I think the magic word system would make much more sense for this. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 --- Comment #14 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2011-09-12 18:47:31 UTC --- We can skip Mediawiki namespace while enjoying the other benefits of doing it that way. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 --- Comment #11 from p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com 2011-06-28 06:39:06 UTC --- (In reply to comment #10) So AltTag's regex style is out. Magic words can be localized, why not tags? I believe they can be, but up to this point its been a undesired function so it hasn't been done in core. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||tstarl...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #6 from Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org 2011-06-27 14:05:32 UTC --- *** Bug 28977 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 --- Comment #7 from Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org 2011-06-27 14:06:34 UTC --- Maybe integrate AltTag into MW core? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 --- Comment #9 from Platonides platoni...@gmail.com 2011-06-27 22:01:00 UTC --- Certainly not what we want for core. There will be also some cornercases such as sourceref/source which would fail (and AltTag regex would be a pain to review, too). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 --- Comment #10 from Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org 2011-06-28 02:43:25 UTC --- (In reply to comment #8) AltTag does a good job as an extension, but if we did this in core, we'd probably want to do something more integrated then running a regex on the wikitext before parsing imho. (In reply to comment #9) Certainly not what we want for core. There will be also some cornercases such as sourceref/source which would fail (and AltTag regex would be a pain to review, too). So AltTag's regex style is out. Magic words can be localized, why not tags? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 Ahmad Alshaikh a.s.alsha...@hotmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||a.s.alsha...@hotmail.com --- Comment #5 from Ahmad Alshaikh a.s.alsha...@hotmail.com 2011-06-25 20:27:04 UTC --- We have the same problem in the Arabic ( http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86/%D8%A3%D8%B1%D8%B4%D9%8A%D9%81/%D8%AA%D9%82%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9/06/2011#.D8.A8.D8.AE.D8.B5.D9.88.D8.B5_.D8.A7.D9.84.D9.88.D8.B3.D9.88.D9.85_.D8.A7.D9.84.D8.A5.D9.86.D8.AC.D9.84.D9.8A.D8.B2.D9.8A.D8.A9 ) I made this extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AltTag) , I think it will solve the problem -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 --- Comment #3 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il 2011-06-22 06:34:49 UTC --- (In reply to comment #2) I believe its been discussed (in relation to ref at least) as doable but not really wanted to be done because of consistent use across sites so uses don't get confused Users of the Hebrew Wikipedia get confused with the current situation. Very confused. Try editing a Hebrew Wikipedia article and think what confuses you more - the RTL-ness or the possibility that the ref tag would be different. Actually, people rarely want to edit projects in languages other than their own. Those that are bold enough to edit in Hebrew will also be clever enough to understand that ref is הערה. (I am saying Hebrew just because it's my home wiki; it's a drop in the bucket compared to Arabic, Farsi and Urdu.) third party tools (eg: api access/bots to name a couple) They can use the same localization files. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Normal |High -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||platoni...@gmail.com --- Comment #1 from Platonides platoni...@gmail.com 2011-06-21 22:25:44 UTC --- הערה would be a nightmare to understand for foreign visitors, though :) I think we should set a convention for having the alternate hook names in the localization file, then the extension would add the alias in addition to its canonical form. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||p858sn...@gmail.com --- Comment #2 from p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com 2011-06-21 22:56:16 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0) I talked to Victor Vasiliev and Tim Starling about it in the Berlin Hackathon 2011 and they said that it's generally doable. I believe its been discussed (in relation to ref at least) as doable but not really wanted to be done because of consistent use across sites so uses don't get confused and also for third party tools (eg: api access/bots to name a couple) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980 Siebrand s.mazel...@xs4all.nl changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||i18n CC||s.mazel...@xs4all.nl -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 28980] parser tags such as ref, poem, timeline etc. cannot be localized
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