[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-10-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Tomasz W. Kozlowski  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 CC||tom...@twkozlowski.net
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

--- Comment #32 from Tomasz W. Kozlowski  ---
Marking as RESOLVED FIXED per comment 30.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-07-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30743

--- Comment #31 from Gerrit Notification Bot  ---
Change 73604 merged by jenkins-bot:
(bug 30743) add namespace aliases for fawiki

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/73604

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-07-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #30 from Huji  ---
Alright, I guess it makes sense to assume that people only use the characters
offered to them by the keyboard layout, therefore reducing the possibilities to
the four you mentioned. If we ever notice that people are using any of the
other four possibilities, we can just reopen this bug and ask for them to be
added too.

I think this bug is ready to be closed as fixed.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-07-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #29 from reza1615  ---
(In reply to comment #28)
> @Huji
> We speak about keyboard when user uses has arabic keyboard he/she has ي
> (arabic
> yeh) and ك (farsi keh) at the same time and it is very strang that user
I mean 
yeh) and ك (arabic keh) at the same time and it is very strang that user
> types ي

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-07-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #28 from reza1615  ---
@Huji
We speak about keyboard when user uses has arabic keyboard he/she has ي (arabic
yeh) and ك (farsi keh) at the same time and it is very strang that user types ي
(arabic yeh) and use ک (farsi keh) at the same time because in arabic keyboard
he should use shift for typing ک.
we have 3 kind of keyboards
1-Standard farsi > possible vaiations :
   1-1-with Zwnj with standard yeh and keh (with is used in fa.wiki)
   1-2-with out Zwnj with standard yeh and keh 

2-tablet and smart phone keyboard 
   2-1-arabic yeh and keh without ZWNJ
   2-1-farsi yeh and key without ZWNJ (like case 1-2)

3-arabic keyboard
  3-1-arabic yeh and keh with ZWNJ
  3-2-arabic yeh and keh without ZWNJ (like case 2-1)

totally we should have 4 variation for possible situations. now fa.wikipedia
uses one of the so we have should have 3 others like Comment 19

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-07-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #27 from Huji  ---
I have to admit, my math was wrong. There are eight possibilities, including
the correct dictation! There are two possibilities for Yeh, and two
possibilities for Keh, and two possibilities for space. 2*2*2 = 8

The Persian translation for "Wikipedia" has three instances of Yeh (same as "i"
in the English word). I believe it is safe to assume that each user will use
the same form of Yeh on all three occurences. Therefore, these are all the
possibilities for "Wikipedia":

ویکی‌پدیا
ویکی پدیا
ویكی‌پدیا
ویكی پدیا
ويکي‌پديا
ويکي پديا
ويكي‌پديا
ويكي پديا

Out of those, the first row is the correct one (included in wgMetaNamespace
further up in the same file); rows number 2, 8, 5 (in that order) are added by
the patch #73604 linked above. Rows 3, 4, 6 and 7 are to be added to the patch.

Same applies to "Wikipedia Talk" aliases:

بحث ویکی‌پدیا
بحث ویکی پدیا
بحث ویكی‌پدیا
بحث ویكی پدیا
بحث ويکي‌پديا
بحث ويکي پديا
بحث ويكي‌پديا
بحث ويكي پديا

Again, rows 3, 4, 6 and 7 are to be added to the patch.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-07-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30743

--- Comment #26 from Huji  ---
Agreed. However, when there are two possibilities for Yeh, and two
possibilities for Keh, and there are two possibilities for space (full space
versus ZWNJ), each word at hand will need six forms, one of which is the
correct form (that is what the wiki uses) and the other five being aliases.
Right now, we only have 3 (out of 5) of those aliases for each of these words
defined.

I hope I didn't cause more confusion by doing the math! I'll just give you a
list of all words once I get to my other computer. I will make it clear which
ones were added by 73604 and which ones are still due.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-07-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #25 from reza1615  ---
@Huji
line 2557, 2558,2561 has ك

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-07-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #24 from Huji  ---
It is correct, but not complete. For NS_PROJCT and NS_PROJCT_TALK, variations
should be added that contain ك instead of ک in the word ویکی. I can give you
the list here, if it is not easy for you to iterate among those letters.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-07-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #23 from reza1615  ---
Thanks :)
as a native speaker 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/73604/1/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php
is correct and confirmed

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-07-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30743

Tomasz W. Kozlowski  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||tom...@twkozlowski.net

--- Comment #22 from Tomasz W. Kozlowski  ---
@Reza: Can you please have a look at
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/73604/1/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php
and see if it makes sense? 

From my own experience I know that non-Latin characters are sometimes wrongly
copied/pasted, so a review from a native speaker would be helpful.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-07-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #21 from Gerrit Notification Bot  ---
Change 73604 had a related patch set uploaded by TTO:
(bug 30743) add namespace aliases for fawiki

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/73604

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2013-04-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||shell
URL||https://fa.wikipedia.org/w/
   ||index.php?title=%D9%88%DB%8
   ||C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%B
   ||E%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D9%86%
   ||D8%B8%D8%B1%D8%AE%D9%88%D8%
   ||A7%D9%87%DB%8C_%D8%A8%D8%B1
   ||%D8%A7%DB%8C_%D8%A7%DB%8C%D
   ||8%AC%D8%A7%D8%AF_%D9%86%D8%
   ||A7%D9%85%E2%80%8C%D9%87%D8%
   ||A7%DB%8C_%D
URL||9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%A
   ||7%D8%B1_%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%
   ||DB%8C_%D9%81%D8%B6%D8%A7%D9
   ||%87%D8%A7%DB%8C_%D9%86%D8%A
   ||7%D9%85&oldid=7307605
 CC||federicol...@tiscali.it

--- Comment #20 from Nemo  ---
(In reply to comment #15)
> After all this discussion, I think it is reasonable to create aliases for the
> default namespaces using all permutations of frequently used non-standard
> characters, as follows [...]

I've not checked if each of those namespaces exists and was discussed or not,
but we have way worse aliases around the Wikimedia projects and while possibly
overkill the request makes sense and has support -> +shell.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2012-06-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #19 from reza1615  2012-06-03 18:02:22 UTC 
---
ویکی پدیا
ويكي پديا
ويکي‌پديا
كاربر
بحث كاربر
بحث ویکی پدیا
بحث ويکي پديا
بحث ويکي‌پديا

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2012-05-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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reza1615  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WONTFIX |

--- Comment #18 from reza1615  2012-05-21 20:11:07 UTC 
---
Hi
we had  consensus in fa.wiki
http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%B1%D8%AE%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%87%DB%8C_%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C_%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%AF_%D8%AA%D8%BA%DB%8C%DB%8C%D8%B1%D9%85%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%B1_%D8%A8%D9%87_%D9%81%D8%B6%D8%A7%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C_%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%85
please add
*Alias existed   redirect one

*ویکی پدیا ---> ویکی‌پدیا 
*ويكي پديا ---> ویکی‌پدیا
*ويکي‌پديا ---> ویکی‌پدیا
*كاربر --->کاربر
*بحث كاربر --->بحث کاربر
*بحث ویکی پدیا ---> بحث ویکی‌پدیا
*بحث ويکي پديا  ---> بحث ویکی‌پدیا
*بحث ويکي‌پديا ---> بحث ویکی‌پدیا

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2012-05-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30743

Siebrand  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 CC||wikimedia.b...@snowolf.eu
  Component|General/Unknown |Site requests
 Resolution||WONTFIX
Product|MediaWiki   |Wikimedia

--- Comment #17 from Siebrand  2012-05-05 21:26:13 UTC ---
Updated product and component to be wiki specific. I do not see consensus here.
Please discuss the proposed changes on-wiki, add a link to consensus when
repoting an issueborbrequesting a change, and ensure that each issue contains
exactly one (1) clear request or bug report.

I'm closing this for now as won't fix. Please reopen when reporting
requirements are met.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2012-05-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #16 from reza1615  2012-05-05 21:06:25 UTC 
---
would you please do it?

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #15 from Huji  2011-09-29 02:06:29 UTC ---
There are two separate issues being discussed here. One has nothing to do with
*this* bug (deserves its own thread), the other is exactly what was asked in
the beginning (ref. the title of the bug).

After all this discussion, I think it is reasonable to create aliases for the
default namespaces using all permutations of frequently used non-standard
characters, as follows:


Current namespace name for User namespace: کاربر  (it uses the standard letter
ک)
Aliases: كاربر (it uses non standard letter ك)

Current namespace name for Wikipedia namespace: ویکی‌پدیا  (it uses the
standard letters ک and ی)
Aliases: (all permutations using one or more non-standard letters)
  ويکي‌پديا  (uses non-standard ي)
  ویكی‌پدیا  (uses non-standard ك)
  ويكي‌پديا  (uses non-standard ك and ي)

If you show me the relevant part of the config file (a link to
noc.wikimedia.org ?) I can attach and send the whole code for all namespaces
that need aliases.

Once these aliases are implemented, this bug can be closed. Discussion about
whether or not the search feature should also be modified to support
non-standard characters is beyond the scope of this bug.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from Niklas Laxström  2011-09-28 
16:44:58 UTC ---
It has drifted to discussion about page names instead of namespaces.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Reedy  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|shell   |

--- Comment #13 from Reedy  2011-09-28 12:23:54 UTC ---
What is the state of this?

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #12 from Huji  2011-09-18 23:54:35 UTC ---
Again, you are focused only on Persian Wikipedia. It is the only wiki on which
Amirobot has made those changes. Most of the other Persian installations of
MediaWiki don't have those redirects created (and those redirects are only
limited to pages in the main namespace, while the current bug falls to the
realm of other namespaces mostly).

As for PC and Mobile users, I still believe the best start point is having a JS
implemented in Common.js of Wikipedia which redirects the users automatically
if they use non-Standard letters in their search keywords.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from reza1615  2011-09-18 22:46:38 UTC 
---
In fa.wiki amirbot made 30,000 redirect pages for redirecting Arabic alphabet
to Farsi alphabet so if any one search with Arabic alphabet he doesn't have any
problem to find articles but the only problem is we can not make redirect for
Alias name.so making these aliases doesn't decrease the rate of compliance to
the standards of Persian characters!

also we have to make redirect every month for our titles that they have ی and ک
and ZWNJ

Another point, I suggested this bug only for Fa.wiki not Arabic!

we have many PC users that they are not wiki editor and the need to read our
article and they don't have Persian keyboard or they don't use ZWNJ .what
should we do for them?


(In reply to comment #10)
> The last comment by Reza is in the opposite direction: it requests the search
> feature to be modified to replace the correct letter (used in the correct
> namespaces) with the wrong (but more frequently available on Arabic-friendly
> mobile devices) letter.
> 
> As for what you suggest, I'm still a little skeptic, because it promotes the
> use of incorrect (i.e. non-standard) letters in the Wiki. Right now, if you
> type [[كاربر:Huji]] (which starts with non-standard‌ ك character), you get a
> redlink, and then you will learn to use the standard letter. If those aliases
> are added, the link will become a blue link, and the rate of compliance to the
> standards of Persian characters will decrease.
> 
> This is why, in my belief, the solution to a mobile-only problem should only
> affect mobile users. I think it is Wikimedia Mobile extension that has to be
> modified, not the MediaWiki itself.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #10 from Huji  2011-09-18 17:07:22 UTC ---
The last comment by Reza is in the opposite direction: it requests the search
feature to be modified to replace the correct letter (used in the correct
namespaces) with the wrong (but more frequently available on Arabic-friendly
mobile devices) letter.

As for what you suggest, I'm still a little skeptic, because it promotes the
use of incorrect (i.e. non-standard) letters in the Wiki. Right now, if you
type [[كاربر:Huji]] (which starts with non-standard‌ ك character), you get a
redlink, and then you will learn to use the standard letter. If those aliases
are added, the link will become a blue link, and the rate of compliance to the
standards of Persian characters will decrease.

This is why, in my belief, the solution to a mobile-only problem should only
affect mobile users. I think it is Wikimedia Mobile extension that has to be
modified, not the MediaWiki itself.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from Niklas Laxström  2011-09-18 
15:15:54 UTC ---
We are not replacing anything, but providing aliases which are easier to type
and redirect to the correct one.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #8 from Huji  2011-09-18 15:11:46 UTC ---
I am not sure if this should be fixed in the manner proposed here. For example,
replacing ZWNJ with space may or may not be desirable, depending on the wiki.
Replacing the correct persian ک with the wrong arabic-style ك on Persian wikis
is totally unintuitive and I disagree with its implementation.

I'm afraid this request is highly influenced by the needs of Persian Wikipedia;
we should be cautious to implement solutions in the software itself, only if
they are reasonably needed by all types of wikis.

I suggest we mark this bug as deferred, and for now, implement JavaScript based
solutions on Persian Wikipedia. Then we can assess the impact and plan better
on whether it should be implemented in the software or not.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Reedy  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Severity|normal  |enhancement

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #7 from reza1615  2011-09-13 01:11:19 UTC ---
In search box If you can make a generator that can convert ی to ي and ک to ك
and ZWNJ to space it is very useful for us
unfortunately Google doesn't make this generate so we have two results for each
searches that have ی or ZWNJ or ک 
In fa.wiki we have to make redirects for all of our articles that have ی or ک
or ZWINJ in their title!

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Siebrand  changed:

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 CC||amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.i
   ||l, s.mazel...@xs4all.nl

--- Comment #6 from Siebrand  2011-09-12 13:04:38 UTC ---
Amir, any thoughts? Niklas says: Bounced back and forth, not clear who is
expected to do what. I'd just add all aliases as WMF specific, but may make
sense to 1) add them core or even 2) generate them automatically.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Mark A. Hershberger  changed:

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   Priority|Unprioritized   |Normal

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Mark A. Hershberger  changed:

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   Keywords||shell
 CC||m...@everybody.org

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #5 from reza1615  2011-09-05 16:22:18 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> Names for "Wikipedia:" and "Portal:"and such have to be requested here. All
> other names are on TranslateWiki.
It has error
Your edit was not saved!

Please fix following errors in translations:

Namespace -2 can have only one translation. Replace the translation with a
new one, and notify staff about the change.
Namespace -1 can have only one translation. Replace the translation with a
new one, and notify staff about the change.
Namespace 2 can have only one translation. Replace the translation with a
new one, and notify staff about the change.
Namespace 3 can have only one translation. Replace the translation with a
new one, and notify staff about the change.
Namespace 8 can have only one translation. Replace the translation with a
new one, and notify staff about the change.
Namespace 9 can have only one translation. Replace the translation with a
new one, and notify staff about the change.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #4 from Roan Kattouw  2011-09-05 16:11:53 
UTC ---
Names for "Wikipedia:" and "Portal:"and such have to be requested here. All
other names are on TranslateWiki.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #3 from reza1615  2011-09-05 16:10:29 UTC ---
I found
http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?language=fa&module=namespace&title=Special%3AAdvancedTranslate
but it doesn't have Wikipedia how can i add alternatives to them.
also I had fault these are correct.
1-for covering arbic ي and ك
1-1-wikipedia==>ويكي‌پديا
1-2-Mediawiki==>مدياويكي‌
1-3-user==>كاربر
1-4-Special==>ويژه
2-for covering ZWNJ (Zero-width non-joiner)
2-1-wikipedia==>ويكي پديا

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #2 from Niklas Laxström  2011-09-05 
15:51:31 UTC ---
translatewiki.net has no support for translators adding namespace aliases.

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Roan Kattouw  changed:

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 CC||niklas.laxst...@gmail.com

--- Comment #1 from Roan Kattouw  2011-09-05 15:04:19 
UTC ---
CC Niklas. Can't this be done in TranslateWiki?

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[Bug 30743] Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki

2011-09-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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reza1615  changed:

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   Keywords||i18n
 CC||developm...@pediapress.com

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