[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Eduard Braun changed: What|Removed |Added CC||eduard.bra...@gmx.de --- Comment #15 from Eduard Braun --- Sorry, but why was this bug closed? From what I read in this bug and on [[:mw:Universal Language Selector]], ULS offers three features: 1) Switching interface language 2) Font selection 3) Input methods (including the pop-up near HTML inputs) 1) is done via preferences for logged in users, 2) and 3) are useless for many people. I'm from Germany for example - active on dewiki, enwiki and commons - and I've never actively used any of the features of ULS (besides turning of input methods after being annoyed by the keyboard symbol always popping up near HTML inputs). So for my use case (which is not so uncommon after all) ULS doesn't seem to bring any needed functionality? The only thing I stumbled across so far was Nemo mentioning "APIs being used by extensions" in comment 8. But I didn't find information according to this statement anywhere? What type of API and what extensions are you talking about? Therefore (if there is no hidden functionality somewhere) I see no reason to close this bug as invalid. I think the request is perfectly reasonable and I can add two downsides of ULS which are why I want it disabled: a) It's JavaScript and therefore loaded with delay. I always see the ULS link on the top "flickering" in after the page is already loaded, therefore distracting my eyes. b) It's JavaScript and therefore slow. It certainly delays page load itself (as does every unnecessary JavaScript, but this is a different bug I suppose). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Bartosz Dziewoński changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|INVALID |--- -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Viswaprabha changed: What|Removed |Added CC||viswapra...@gmail.com --- Comment #16 from Viswaprabha --- Hello All, This is my first time entering the hightec world of Bugzilla.wikimedia.org. Nevertheless, I have been a Wikimedia (WM) user, preacher and evangelist for long many years with significant contributions to both the content as well as idea of WM ventures. Hence a brief self-intro may be befitting. One of my major efforts towards the propagation of WM has been to educate new users at scenarios completely unexpected such as non-standard hardware/OS/input methods, accessibility compromised users, network-restricted systems etc. I have had quite an extensive experience in encountering such situations. Besides, I often work in a completely multi-language situation with editing in at least 5 different language wikis and reading in a dozen or more. Also, I have been instrumentally active on the web in helping and guiding people to work with Unicode web pages ever since Unicode became a standard for multi-lingual computing. With this intro, let me express my annoyance I am facing with the ULS in some such situations as a user and user-trainer. 1. As for my own use, I DO NOT NEED ANY ULS! I am using several tools, as appropriate as the situation calls for, completely at the system or browser level with no dependence on the Wikimedia pages. In other words, as long as Mediawiki can serve its pages and take back my inputs in the right character encoding as specified, I DO NOT WANT MEDIAWIKI OR THE WIKIMEDIA SERVERS TO BOTHER about my input/render issues! I would rather want a much faster transfer of real knowledge content than some javascript and webfonts loading my often pitifully sluggish and broken internet service. A similar situation to me is Hotcat, WikiEd and such other gadgets. Often, if I am in a tight situation (due to hardware/bandwidth issues) I just disable them so that my real intended work can get done. Please note that they are also indispensable tools to me at some other time when their utility is required. The bug mentioned here is exactly the kind of feature that I require! Instead of only able to disable the substructure features, (in addition to that), a carpet-blank toggle to switch the ULS completely OFF is much desired. Certain other issues too call for this. 2. I have been living in a locale (ar) where my day-to-day life, contacts and Wikimedia circles have no connection with that local language. ULS tries to pick-up (AND DECIDE!) a locale and set the user(!) preferences according to its own dictated terms! Unacceptable for a non-local) (say expatriate) user in a foreign country where he is living temporarily or permanently for his own personal reasons. 3. Introduction of ULS tends to bind a user to the OS/browser in peculiar ways. Ideally, MW should be just streaming out and taking out content. And the user reciprocating the same. Any features and tools be only interconnecting these two nodes without forcing them to abide by any conditions. Features (not just ULS but any!) provided by MW by means of client-side scripts and web fonts, may facilitate general comfort and efficiency to a user. But there is a down-side. It also makes both the user and MW stream more dependent on the kinds and versions of OS and browser. By default, Wikipedia must be supplying knowledge to users of every unthinkable kind in every unthinkable client situation. The very purpose of ULS may thus be killed by itself! 4. Language dependent issues may cause ULS to actually deteriorate user experience. It is possible that the particular web fonts or input methods forced as initial defaults or even provided as additional options by the server may not be technically or aesthetically best suited for a user. Then he should be able to disable the whole feature and select his own preferred local tools. Right now, such a situation has arisen at http://ml.wikipedia.org . Please see this rather unusual voting being taken place there: http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Panchayath_Technical#English_translation_of_the_proposal_being_voted_here . You may also see how the number of edits and user activity has suddenly come down after the introduction of ULS there. The Mediawiki sofware should be more bothered about the concept of 'universal freedom to choose'. The people there should know that 'every human being' has a right to deny a facility that he is not interested in. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Siebrand changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME --- Comment #17 from Siebrand --- The IME portion of ULS can be disabled, see [[mw:Universal_Language_Selector/FAQ#How_can_I_disable_Universal_Language_Selector]]. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #18 from Eduard Braun --- Sorry but this bug was not about the "IME portion". It was about all functionality of ULS (including the link on the top and especially everything that might load unnecessarily in the background) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Bartosz Dziewoński changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|WORKSFORME |--- --- Comment #19 from Bartosz Dziewoński --- Yeah, an option in Preferences for everything would be nice. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Siebrand changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #20 from Siebrand --- Except for input methods, all other ULS functionalities will have no user interface that allows it to be disabled. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #21 from Eduard Braun --- *sigh* The reasoning remains untold I assume? Additionally - as I pointed out before - there's more than user interface. We're stuffing more and more JavaScript into MediaWiki so it becomes slower and slower on page load. And close to unusable for the folks keeping it disabled for speed, security reasons or whatever their motives might be (actually the increasing slowness of Wikipedia might be a good motive after all). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #22 from Viswaprabha --- Perhaps, the testing of all new features should be done from a dial up connection in a third-world rural school or a primitive GPRS link through a villager's barebone mobile phone, first. The Wikipedia experience from that point will make the developers know a difference! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Jacob changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jacob.j...@gmail.com Severity|normal |critical -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #23 from Jacob --- Priority changed to critical since in ml.wiki we are observing a fallout of experienced contributors who feel their opinion on a key request is not at all cared for -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Jacob changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|WONTFIX |--- -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Jacob changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Unprioritized |High -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #24 from Jacob --- Please refer here for the discussion http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Panchayath_Technical#English_translation_of_the_proposal_being_voted_here -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 p858snake changed: What|Removed |Added CC||p858sn...@gmail.com --- Comment #1 from p858snake --- Click on the ULS icon in the user portlets -> Input Settings to disable. As already discussed in the IRC channel previously, As a user preference to disable this, It shouldn't be anywhere other than under User Preferences. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal --- (In reply to comment #0) > An option in Settings section required to disable ULS completely. What problem do you see with ULS if this option is not there? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #3 from Santhosh Thottingal --- (In reply to comment #1) > Click on the ULS icon in the user portlets -> Input Settings to disable. Bug is not about disabling input methods, it is about disabling the ULS completely. And reason for adding this option in ULS rather than at User Preferences is, we allow anonymous users also to have language related preferences(UI language, fonts, input and any language related settings in future) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #4 from p858snake --- (In reply to comment #3) > And reason for adding this option in ULS rather than at User Preferences is, > we > allow anonymous users also to have language related preferences(UI language, > fonts, input and any language related settings in future) I've assisted more long term users than I can count on one hand to disable the input methods, How many anon users have actually disabled it? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #5 from sunil --- (In reply to comment #2) > (In reply to comment #0) > > An option in Settings section required to disable ULS completely. > > What problem do you see with ULS if this option is not there? Users must have choice to decide whether they use ULS offered features or local settings. If the user has local input methods and local fonts, it is unnecessary to load ULS. A Disable ULS checkbox in the User Preferences section is the best way to implement this. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #6 from Santhosh Thottingal --- (In reply to comment #5) > Users must have choice to decide whether they use ULS offered features or > local > settings. If the user has local input methods and local fonts, it is > unnecessary to load ULS. Input and fonts are just 2 features of ULS. Both can be disabled in the current interface. Why you want to disable other features? Your bug is about disabling ULS *completely* -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #7 from sunil --- (In reply to comment #6) > (In reply to comment #5) > > Users must have choice to decide whether they use ULS offered features or > > local > > settings. If the user has local input methods and local fonts, it is > > unnecessary to load ULS. > > Input and fonts are just 2 features of ULS. Both can be disabled in the > current > interface. Why you want to disable other features? Your bug is about > disabling > ULS *completely* I think, those 2 are the major features of ULS. Please excuse me if not. Is there any other feature which ULS offers and it is not possible to implement at local level? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Santhosh Thottingal changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME --- Comment #8 from Santhosh Thottingal --- (In reply to comment #7) > I think, those 2 are the major features of ULS. Please excuse me if not. Not at all. There are language selection features(many scenarios), APIs being used by extensions(for script, language code, text directionality, autonyms etc). Please read the ULS documentation at MediaWiki. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #9 from sunil --- One of my question is still unanswered. Is there any feature which ULS offers and it is not possible to implement that at local level? If all the features ULS offer, are able to implement at local level, disable UCS should be there at preferences. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Nemo changed: What|Removed |Added CC||federicol...@tiscali.it --- Comment #10 from Nemo --- (In reply to comment #9) > Is there any feature which ULS offers and it is not possible to implement > that > at local level? Yes: all those mentioned in comment 8. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 --- Comment #11 from sunil --- Thank you -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 praveenp changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED CC||me.prav...@gmail.com Resolution|WORKSFORME |--- --- Comment #12 from praveenp --- If an extension has some dependency on other extensions, then it should be handled at server side, not at user level. Certainly not WFM. Reopening. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Nemo changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #13 from Nemo --- (In reply to comment #12) > If an extension has some dependency on other extensions [...] Wrong premise: (interface) language selection [mentioned in comment 8] is not about that. Also, the general premise in comment 0 that preferences should all be in Special:Preferences is invalid (and would probably go against bug 31882), hence I'm closing this INVALID. You may be looking for bug 46044 or bug 45964 (this bug could also be considered a duplicate of the latter). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Bartosz Dziewoński changed: What|Removed |Added CC||matma@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 46306] An option required to disable ULS
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46306 Nemo changed: What|Removed |Added CC||zhoris...@gmail.com --- Comment #14 from Nemo --- *** Bug 46744 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
