[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-05-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-05-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986
Bug 53986 depends on bug 54062, which changed state.

Bug 54062 Summary: Move Huggle under "Utilities" product
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54062

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #27 from Andre Klapper  ---
>> I agree that having "Tools", "Tool Labs tools", and "Wikimedia Labs" is
>> confusing.

...and that's not the case anymore now hence my question still stands.

I don't see an advantage in that proposal compared to the current situation as
tools on Tool Labs are something different and way more specific than
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Wikimedia%20Labs
, hence proposing to set WORKSFORME again here. Or WONTFIX if that's more
appropriate.

If Bugzilla supported more levels than product/component I'd support "Wikimedia
Labs > Tools > whatever-toolname", but that's not the case.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #26 from Nemo  ---
(In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #25)
> Could you clarify what the actual problem to solve is,

Sure:

> I agree that having "Tools", "Tool Labs tools", and "Wikimedia Labs" is
> confusing.

> and what your
> proposal is

Simple:

(from comment #0)
> just merge it

I don't see any obstacle to merging "Tool Labs tools" and "Utilities";
additionally, all "Tool Labs tools" could be components of "Wikimedia Labs";
finally, if both are implemented, it's trivial to rename "Wikimedia Labs" to
"Wikimedia Labs and other tools".

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #25 from Andre Klapper  ---
(In reply to Nemo from comment #24)
> I don't see how using a synonym helps, but "Wikimedia Labs" vs. "Tool Labs
> tools" was not addressed anyway.

Could you clarify what the actual problem to solve is, and what your proposal
is (keep in mind that tools on Tool Labs would like to have subcomponents in
Bugzilla hence it needs to be a product)?

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Wikimedia%20Labs
says for "Wikimedia Labs/tools":
"Issue tracker for the tools.wmflabs.org infrastructure itself. Note: Issues
with tools running on Tool Labs should be filed under "Tool Labs tools"."

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Tool%20labs%20tools
says:
"Issues with the Tool Labs infrastructure itself should be filed under
"Wikimedia Labs→tools". "

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

Nemo  changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WORKSFORME  |---

--- Comment #24 from Nemo  ---
I don't see how using a synonym helps, but "Wikimedia Labs" vs. "Tool Labs
tools" was not addressed anyway.

(In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #22)
> Considering the increasing importance of tools on Tool Labs compared to the
> tools listed under "Tools"

Ah, so you're talking of importance. Usually the things listed in "Tools" were
considered more important because they are from the MediaWiki devs. However, if
you consider them less important now, it should be even easier to merge this
product to another.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

Andre Klapper  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 CC||benap...@gmail.com
 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME
   Assignee|wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia. |aklap...@wikimedia.org
   |org |

--- Comment #22 from Andre Klapper  ---
I decided to rename the Bugzilla product "Tools" to "Utilities".

Considering the increasing importance of tools on Tool Labs compared to the
tools listed under "Tools", and after triaging two more tickets under "Tools"
that should have gone to "Wikimedia Labs/tools" or "Tool Labs Tools" instead,
this seems like the best solution currently.

I've updated links that I'm aware of (see comment 8) accordingly.

I'm closing as WORKSFORME as from my POV, as the summary of this ticket
(confusion between "Tools" and "Tool labs tools") can be considered solved now.

Might reevaluate if we receive further incorrectly placed tickets.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #23 from Andre Klapper  ---
(In reply to Nemo from comment #21)
> (In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #20)
> > (In reply to Nemo from comment #19)
> > > Sure. But do they *need* to be different/separated?
> > 
> > Random local tools for PHP quality in MediaWiki and a webservice running on
> > Wikimedia wiki content are very different things to me.
> 
> Different in what way?

Different as apples and oranges. 
You can put them all under "Fruit" though, if you like it untidy. :)

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #21 from Nemo  ---
(In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #20)
> (In reply to Nemo from comment #19)
> > Sure. But do they *need* to be different/separated?
> 
> Random local tools for PHP quality in MediaWiki and a webservice running on
> Wikimedia wiki content are very different things to me.

Different in what way?

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #20 from Andre Klapper  ---
(In reply to Nemo from comment #19)
> Sure. But do they *need* to be different/separated?

Random local tools for PHP quality in MediaWiki and a webservice running on
Wikimedia wiki content are very different things to me.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

Bug 53986 depends on bug 54062, which changed state.

Bug 54062 Summary: Move Huggle under "Tools" product
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54062

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

Bug 53986 depends on bug 54062, which changed state.

Bug 54062 Summary: Move Huggle under "Tools" product
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54062

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

Bug 53986 depends on bug 54064, which changed state.

Bug 54064 Summary: Clarify description of Wikimedia Labs > (other)
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54064

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #19 from Nemo  ---
(In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #18)
> They are two different things: one is random stuff, the other are tools on
> Tool Labs.

Sure. But do they *need* to be different/separated?

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #18 from Andre Klapper  ---
(In reply to Nemo from comment #17)
> So, what is stopping the immediate merge of "Tools" and "Tool Labs tools"?

They are two different things: one is random stuff, the other are tools on Tool
Labs.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-03-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #17 from Nemo  ---
So, what is stopping the immediate merge of "Tools" and "Tool Labs tools"? I
feel stupid every time I need to file a bug in one of the two.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-03-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Andre Klapper  changed:

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 Depends on||62384, 55351, 62386

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-03-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #16 from Nemo  ---
Yes to all the component moves above. Thanks for proposing them!

(In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #15)
> * code-utils (4 tickets): 
>   PHP stuff. Can't see a good fit somewhere else.

Can go in MediaWiki>General and be triaged from there.

> * PhotoCommons-WP (9), VIAF (13): 
>   Some external tools, not sure how actively maintained

All these can be moved to Tool Labs tools>[other] or live there as components:
they can or should be migrated there anyway at some point.

> * [other] (20, two open): 
>   Random and mostly misfiled stuff. Theoretically could be dumped into 
>   "Wikimedia>General/Unknown" or such.

Yes, Wikimedia>General will do and they can find more specific homes later.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2014-03-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #15 from Andre Klapper  ---
I just killed the "dbzip2" component in "Tools" by moving its one valid and
closed ticket to "Datasets".

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Tools

Trying to break this into actionable subtasks:
* grabbers (1 ticket): 
  Added in bug 55351 but as long as it's not an extension I am tempted
  to throw it into the "Wikimedia>General/Unknown" waters.
* WM-Bot (33): We have "wikibugs IRC bot" already under "Wikimedia", so
  WM-Bot could also go into its component under "Wikimedia". I've always
  been confused how dispersed our IRC related Bugzilla components are.
* mwdumper (44): This is somehow Datasets related so could become a
  component under "Datasets"?

Harder parts:
* code-utils (4 tickets): 
  PHP stuff. Can't see a good fit somewhere else.
* PhotoCommons-WP (9), VIAF (13): 
  Some external tools, not sure how actively maintained
* [other] (20, two open): 
  Random and mostly misfiled stuff. Theoretically could be dumped into 
  "Wikimedia>General/Unknown" or such.

If we cannot or do not want to move stuff somewhere else, I'd propose renaming
"Tools" to "Utilities".

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2013-11-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Andre Klapper  changed:

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from Nemo  ---
Thanks for the reply.

(In reply to comment #12)
> [...] I simply don't want to move stuff twice, but I am also aware
> that in history, "trying to do it right" often ends up in doing nothing.

The three products mentioned above are quite small (or minuscule even) and
won't be a problem in this respect. However, they are also not a blocker for
"Tool labs" product moves. So yes, please let's not be stuck until the final
reorganisation happens.

> 
> (In reply to comment #10)
> > "Tool Labs" would not be a component, the individual tools
> > (or groups of tools e.g. "magnustools") would. "Tool Labs" as a whole has 
> > its
> > components under "Wikimedia Labs" product.
> 
> Hmm. So as per comment 3 and comment 10 you propose 
>  Wikimedia Labs > $tool on Tool Labs
> instead of current
>  Tool Labs tools > $tool on Tool Labs
> ? I'm undecided.

I'm not sure what you mean here. :(
If you mean moving "Tool Labs tools" components to "Wikimedia Labs" as they
are, and add new components there for each future tool, no, it's not what I
proposed but it's also an option.
My proposal was to place components relating to Tool Labs as infrastructure
under Wikimedia Labs product, and to place components about individual tools
(i.e. the things which would be listed in [[mw:Toolserver/List_of_Tools]]; of
course not each of them with an individual component) under the "Tools"
product, effectively merging "Tool Labs tools" to "Tools" product, minus the
bugs which shouldn't be there.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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p858snake  changed:

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--- Comment #13 from p858snake  ---
"Tools" was for anything under svn:/trunk/tools (eg: styleize.php), We should
probably rename it to something more suitable for the current git eqv, but it
has taken a different direction recently.

We could probably use something like "MediaWiki Utilities" in the mean time
till we define a solid scope for it.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Andre Klapper  changed:

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   ||krinklem...@gmail.com,
   ||m...@tgries.de

--- Comment #12 from Andre Klapper  ---
Just to give quick feedback: 

Yes, I want to start using classifications, and at least evaluate it still in
this calendar year. I'm reluctant to move all extensions one level up, not
because it wouldn't make sense, but because it would be an extreme amount of
work via the UI (if nobody pops up with awesome SQL skills).

So I won't work on the tickets mentioned in comment 11 right away, because
comment 6 (refering to
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Bugzilla_taxonomy ) / bug
38990 is simply true.
I need to spend a few evenings with some beers and a paper printout of
Bugzilla's product/component structure and pick up thoughts on potential
categorizations (e.g. "Editing helper applications" or something for Huggle and
pywikipedia?). I simply don't want to move stuff twice, but I am also aware
that in history, "trying to do it right" often ends up in doing nothing.

(In reply to comment #10)
> "Tool Labs" would not be a component, the individual tools
> (or groups of tools e.g. "magnustools") would. "Tool Labs" as a whole has its
> components under "Wikimedia Labs" product.

Hmm. So as per comment 3 and comment 10 you propose 
 Wikimedia Labs > $tool on Tool Labs
instead of current
 Tool Labs tools > $tool on Tool Labs
? I'm undecided.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo  changed:

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from Nemo  ---
I filed three dependencies to improve the situation the "Tools" product (and
products in general), just to start:
* Bug 54061: Move QRPedia to "Tools" product
* Bug 54062: Move Huggle under "Tools" product
* Bug 54063: Close or move Cortado product

None of these requires changing the name of the product to "Misc", while moving
the current components of "Tool Labs tools" product is probably easier if the
new product has a similar name. So I suggest we change the name of the product
later.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo  changed:

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #10 from Nemo  ---
Bug 53986 is a very unfortunate consequence of filing this bug, I feel guilty.
:(
At some point we'll be forced to make stuff more complex using classifications,
to sort out this mess.

(In reply to comment #9)
> Problem is that Bugzilla only allows classifications (currently not used),
> products (Wikimedia Labs) and components (like tools on Tool labs). There's
> nothing below that, so we couldn't auto-CC or auto-assign tickets for all
> those
> tools on Tool Labs automatically. Hence IMHO it requires a product on its own
> to not make "getting attention of developers" a manual PITA.

I don't understand. Tool Labs would not be a component, the individual tools
(or groups of tools e.g. magnustools) would. Tool Labs as a whole has its
components under Wikimedia Labs product.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #9 from Andre Klapper  ---
(In reply to comment #5)
> it can also serve as product for Tool Labs tools if they are
> not wanted in Wikimedia Labs product.

Problem is that Bugzilla only allows classifications (currently not used),
products (Wikimedia Labs) and components (like tools on Tool labs). There's
nothing below that, so we couldn't auto-CC or auto-assign tickets for all those
tools on Tool Labs automatically. Hence IMHO it requires a product on its own
to not make "getting attention of developers" a manual PITA.

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[Bug 53986] "Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool Labs tools" vs "Tools" Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

Andre Klapper  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|Unprioritized   |High
Summary|Remove "Tool Labs tools"|"Wikimedia Labs" vs "Tool
   |product |Labs tools" vs "Tools"
   ||Bugzilla product confusion

--- Comment #8 from Andre Klapper  ---
Looking at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Tools
I retriaged the open tickets under "Tools > [Other]" and created a new separate
"morebots" component (especially as tickets might be moved to a different
product as per bug 52069).

For remaining components under the "Tools" Bugzilla product, external links how
to file bug reports would have to be updated if we renamed "Tools" to "Misc" or
so (to avoid confusion with Labs Tools).

Affected pages that needed updated links, from a quick search:

* http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PhotoCommons#Bugs_.2F_Feature_requests
* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MWDumper#Reporting_bugs
* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:VIAF_inter_project_linking
* https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM-Bot#Support
* Vagrant:
* * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant#Bugs
* * https://www.ohloh.net/p/mediawiki-vagrant
* * https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-vagrant

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