[Wikidata] Wikidata descriptions changes to be included more often in Recent Changes and Watchlist on Wikimedia wikis

[Léa Lacroix]

Hello all,

As you may know, you can include changes coming from Wikidata in your
Watchlist and Recent Changes on other Wikimedia projects. Until now, this
feature didn’t always include changes made on Wikidata descriptions. This
is due to how Wikidata tracks what data is used in a given article.

Starting on December 3rd, the Watchlist and Recent Changes will include
changes on the descriptions of Wikidata Items that are used in the pages
that you watch on the client wiki. This will only include descriptions in
the language of your wiki to make sure that you’re only seeing changes that
are relevant to your wiki.

This improvement was requested by many users from different projects. We
hope that it can help contributors of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects
to monitor the changes on Wikidata descriptions and participate in the
effort of improving the data quality.

If you encounter any issue or want to provide feedback, feel free to use this
Phabricator ticket <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191831>. Thanks!
-- 
Léa Lacroix
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[Wikidata] Wikidata descriptions to help disambiguate article topic on mobile web

[Moushira Elamrawy]

Greetings,

The Reading team <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading> [0] would like to
help readers learn faster about the topics they are browsing on our mobile
site, by displaying Wikidata descriptions underneath article title.

This has been the case on apps for a while now, and the team would like to
move with the same practice to mobile web, and help our mobile readers, by
using content from a Wikipedia sister project.

There is a page the describes the idea and the details here
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/web/Projects/Wikidata_Descriptions>
[1]  .Please check to learn more about the rationale and the details of the
suggested change.


Thank you,
Moushira

[0] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading
[1]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/web/Projects/Wikidata_Descriptions
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Re: [Wikidata] [Wikitech-l] Wikidata descriptions to show on mobile web Wikipedias

[Florian Schmidt]

> this is something the reading and discovery teams can discuss off-list, I 
> think.
What brings you to think this? :)

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Betreff: Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata descriptions to show on mobile web Wikipedias
Datum: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:33:59 +0100
Von: Jon Katz <jk...@wikimedia.org>
An: Wikimedia developers <wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org>

Hi Oliver,
Thanks for bringing this up--this is something the reading and discovery
teams can discuss off-list, I think.
Best,
J

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Oliver Keyes <oke...@wikimedia.org> 
wrote:> What was the involvement of the Discovery team, which runs innovation> 
around our search systems, in this decision?>> On 28 October 2015 at 22:50, Jon 
Katz <jk...@wikimedia.org> wrote:>> Hi All,>>>> TLDR: on the mobile web, 
Wikidata descriptions will appear under article>> titles in search results, 
nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow> afternoon>> (Thu, Oct 29) across 
projects.  A 'kill switch' has been implemented so>> that this feature can be 
turned off if necessary.>>>> Background:>> In Q2 of last year, Wikidata 
descriptions were added to both our official>> apps: iOS and Android and 
resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as>> the discovery team knows, it 
is hard to define 'success' with search> (fewer>> searches, more searches?).  
Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search>> on mobile web was planned for 
Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in> beta>> for many months as there was so
 me concern that at scale on the web, it>> might prove to be an incentive to 
vandalize Wikidata (and article editors>> would not have an obvious, wikipedia 
way to undo such edits).>>>> Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on 
Wikipedia should be>> editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is 
something we are>> going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in 
search results on>> apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation 
and work> towards a>> goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing 
based on a fear>> that might not be warranted. In consultation with the 
Wikidata team, we>> decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable 
as long as we>> had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any 
issues.>>>> We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have 
any> issues>> or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community 
liaison>> team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!>>>>
  Best,>>>> Jon>> WMF Reading Product Lead>> 
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https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l>>>> --> Oliver Keyes> 
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Re: [Wikidata] [Wikitech-l] Wikidata descriptions to show on mobile web Wikipedias

[Jon Katz]

Hi Oliver,
Thanks for bringing this up--this is something the reading and discovery
teams can discuss off-list, I think.
Best,
J

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Oliver Keyes  wrote:

> What was the involvement of the Discovery team, which runs innovation
> around our search systems, in this decision?
>
> On 28 October 2015 at 22:50, Jon Katz  wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article
> > titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow
> afternoon
> > (Thu, Oct 29) across projects.  A 'kill switch' has been implemented so
> > that this feature can be turned off if necessary.
> >
> > Background:
> > In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official
> > apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as
> > the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search
> (fewer
> > searches, more searches?).  Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search
> > on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in
> beta
> > for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it
> > might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors
> > would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).
> >
> > Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be
> > editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are
> > going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on
> > apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work
> towards a
> > goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear
> > that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we
> > decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we
> > had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.
> >
> > We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any
> issues
> > or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community liaison
> > team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jon
> > WMF Reading Product Lead
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Re: [Wikidata] Wikidata descriptions to show on mobile web Wikipedias

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Several Wikipedias have Wikidata Search enabled for their results, this is
the same search as used in Reasonator.. Its results include everything from
Wikidata and they include automated descriptions. Search like this help a
lot with disambiguation. Just add a vital characteristic and you will know
that John Doe was from 2012.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 29 October 2015 at 09:02, James Heald  wrote:

> I would agree with Joe Filceolaire on this.
>
> Compare the results of a search for "John Arbuthnot" on Wikidata:
>
>
> https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=&search=John+Arbuthnot&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go
>
> against the search for "John Arbuthnot" on Reasonator:
>https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/test/?find=john+arbuthnot
>
> For searching Wikidata, I overwhelmingly prefer to use the Reasonator
> search, which includes automatically generated descriptions alongside the
> description field (and things like birth and death dates), because (even in
> English) it is so much more informative.
>
>-- James.
>
>
>
> On 29/10/2015 06:06, Joe Filceolaire wrote:
>
>> My feeling is that, even in English, automatically generated descriptions,
>> based on properties, are better than description field. For other
>> languages
>> this is even more true.
>>
>> This decision is English-centric and that is a shame.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:48 AM Gerard Meijssen <
>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hoi,
>>>
>>> It is an old argument. It is however very potent. The data that you
>>> provide may be additional and an improvement but it is still very much
>>> second class quality. Automated descriptions are typically superior in
>>> any
>>> language. But given the dominance of Wikipedia think it is no wonder that
>>> second class quality has been chosen.
>>>
>>> This is no argument to use the kill switch, it is just the realisation
>>> that what is best and brightest elsewhere is not relevant to Wikipedia.
>>> It
>>> is apparently the only show in town.
>>> Thanks,
>>>GerardM
>>>
>>> On 29 October 2015 at 03:50, Jon Katz  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article
>>>> titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow
>>>> afternoon
>>>> (Thu, Oct 29) across projects.  A 'kill switch' has been implemented so
>>>> that this feature can be turned off if necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Background:
>>>> In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our
>>>> official
>>>> apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as
>>>> the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search
>>>> (fewer
>>>> searches, more searches?).  Though moving Wikidata descriptions to
>>>> search
>>>> on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in
>>>> beta
>>>> for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it
>>>> might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article
>>>> editors
>>>> would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).
>>>>
>>>> Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be
>>>> editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are
>>>> going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on
>>>> apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work
>>>> towards a
>>>> goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear
>>>> that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we
>>>> decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we
>>>> had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.
>>>>
>>>> We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any
>>>> issues or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community
>>>> liaison team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>> WMF Reading Product Lead
>>>>
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Re: [Wikidata] Wikidata descriptions to show on mobile web Wikipedias

[James Heald]

I would agree with Joe Filceolaire on this.

Compare the results of a search for "John Arbuthnot" on Wikidata:

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=&search=John+Arbuthnot&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go

against the search for "John Arbuthnot" on Reasonator:
   https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/test/?find=john+arbuthnot

For searching Wikidata, I overwhelmingly prefer to use the Reasonator 
search, which includes automatically generated descriptions alongside 
the description field (and things like birth and death dates), because 
(even in English) it is so much more informative.


   -- James.


On 29/10/2015 06:06, Joe Filceolaire wrote:

My feeling is that, even in English, automatically generated descriptions,
based on properties, are better than description field. For other languages
this is even more true.

This decision is English-centric and that is a shame.

Joe

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:48 AM Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:


Hoi,

It is an old argument. It is however very potent. The data that you
provide may be additional and an improvement but it is still very much
second class quality. Automated descriptions are typically superior in any
language. But given the dominance of Wikipedia think it is no wonder that
second class quality has been chosen.

This is no argument to use the kill switch, it is just the realisation
that what is best and brightest elsewhere is not relevant to Wikipedia. It
is apparently the only show in town.
Thanks,
   GerardM

On 29 October 2015 at 03:50, Jon Katz  wrote:


Hi All,

TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article
titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow afternoon
(Thu, Oct 29) across projects.  A 'kill switch' has been implemented so
that this feature can be turned off if necessary.

Background:
In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official
apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as
the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search (fewer
searches, more searches?).  Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search
on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in beta
for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it
might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors
would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).

Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be
editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are
going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on
apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work towards a
goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear
that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we
decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we
had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.

We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any
issues or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community
liaison team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!

Best,

Jon
WMF Reading Product Lead


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Re: [Wikidata] Wikidata descriptions to show on mobile web Wikipedias

[Joe Filceolaire]

My feeling is that, even in English, automatically generated descriptions,
based on properties, are better than description field. For other languages
this is even more true.

This decision is English-centric and that is a shame.

Joe

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:48 AM Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
>
> It is an old argument. It is however very potent. The data that you
> provide may be additional and an improvement but it is still very much
> second class quality. Automated descriptions are typically superior in any
> language. But given the dominance of Wikipedia think it is no wonder that
> second class quality has been chosen.
>
> This is no argument to use the kill switch, it is just the realisation
> that what is best and brightest elsewhere is not relevant to Wikipedia. It
> is apparently the only show in town.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 29 October 2015 at 03:50, Jon Katz  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article
>> titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow afternoon
>> (Thu, Oct 29) across projects.  A 'kill switch' has been implemented so
>> that this feature can be turned off if necessary.
>>
>> Background:
>> In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official
>> apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as
>> the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search (fewer
>> searches, more searches?).  Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search
>> on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in beta
>> for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it
>> might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors
>> would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).
>>
>> Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be
>> editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are
>> going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on
>> apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work towards a
>> goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear
>> that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we
>> decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we
>> had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.
>>
>> We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any
>> issues or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community
>> liaison team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jon
>> WMF Reading Product Lead
>>
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Re: [Wikidata] Wikidata descriptions to show on mobile web Wikipedias

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,

It is an old argument. It is however very potent. The data that you provide
may be additional and an improvement but it is still very much second class
quality. Automated descriptions are typically superior in any language. But
given the dominance of Wikipedia think it is no wonder that second class
quality has been chosen.

This is no argument to use the kill switch, it is just the realisation that
what is best and brightest elsewhere is not relevant to Wikipedia. It is
apparently the only show in town.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 29 October 2015 at 03:50, Jon Katz  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article
> titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow afternoon
> (Thu, Oct 29) across projects.  A 'kill switch' has been implemented so
> that this feature can be turned off if necessary.
>
> Background:
> In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official
> apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as
> the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search (fewer
> searches, more searches?).  Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search
> on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in beta
> for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it
> might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors
> would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).
>
> Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be
> editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are
> going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on
> apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work towards a
> goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear
> that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we
> decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we
> had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.
>
> We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any issues
> or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community liaison
> team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!
>
> Best,
>
> Jon
> WMF Reading Product Lead
>
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Re: [Wikidata] [Wikitech-l] Wikidata descriptions to show on mobile web Wikipedias

[Oliver Keyes]

What was the involvement of the Discovery team, which runs innovation
around our search systems, in this decision?

On 28 October 2015 at 22:50, Jon Katz  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article
> titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow afternoon
> (Thu, Oct 29) across projects.  A 'kill switch' has been implemented so
> that this feature can be turned off if necessary.
>
> Background:
> In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official
> apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as
> the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search (fewer
> searches, more searches?).  Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search
> on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in beta
> for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it
> might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors
> would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).
>
> Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be
> editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are
> going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on
> apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work towards a
> goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear
> that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we
> decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we
> had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.
>
> We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any issues
> or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community liaison
> team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!
>
> Best,
>
> Jon
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[Wikidata] Wikidata descriptions to show on mobile web Wikipedias

[Jon Katz]

Hi All,

TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article
titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow afternoon
(Thu, Oct 29) across projects.  A 'kill switch' has been implemented so
that this feature can be turned off if necessary.

Background:
In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official
apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as
the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search (fewer
searches, more searches?).  Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search
on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in beta
for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it
might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors
would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).

Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be
editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are
going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on
apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work towards a
goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear
that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we
decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we
had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.

We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any issues
or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community liaison
team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!

Best,

Jon
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Re: [Wikidata] Descriptions

[Joe Filceolaire]

Exactly

When I  find a page with a poor or no auto description I add statements,
not descriptions.

Joe

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:53 Thad Guidry  wrote:

> "Things not Strings", i.e., more Statements and less Descriptions.
>
> Beanie Babies 2.0 needs Statement love, that's all...it already has a page
> long description with the Wikipedia linkout.
>
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Re: [Wikidata] Descriptions

[Thad Guidry]

"Things not Strings", i.e., more Statements and less Descriptions.

Beanie Babies 2.0 needs Statement love, that's all...it already has a page
long description with the Wikipedia linkout.

Thad
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Re: [Wikidata] Descriptions

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
There are many, many items without ANY description. The most important
statement for any item is an indication what that item is about.. ie
instance of or subclass of. With such a statement we can start automating
all kinds of things for that item.

I do not really understand your point. When an item is known for what it
is, it can already have some automated description. When special attention
is to be had for specific types of item, we can make routines that tell it
well in whatever language.

The biggest problem with the standard descriptions is that nobody cares
about them and the quality of them is abysmal and not improving. It does
not cover all our languages. It is imho a serious waste of effort.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 20 August 2015 at 18:03, Paul Houle  wrote:

> I think from an ergonomic standpoint it would be helpful to treat
> "descriptions" as "comments".  In the case of something from Wikipedia
> there is a link to Wikipedia and that helps.
>
> For objects where curators and users need to know what this object is,
>  what gotchas are associated with using it,  etc,  such a facility would be
> necessary.
>
> Some standard should exist for "auto-generated descriptions" to be
> considered good enough,  but for records like
>
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4876286
>
> there ought to be some kind of red mark to say this record is thinner then
> we like.  If somebody has a problem with that situation they ought to add
> enough data to autogenerate a description better than
>
> Exists(something): something has label "Beanie Babies 2.0" in the English
> Language
>
> hopefully the community can improve the database in terms of where their
> needs are.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:18 AM, Thomas Douillard <
> thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I also started a lua module on frwiki in the same spirit for on wiki
>> without gadgets description generation:
>> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Description . It's used in the
>> "Lien Wikidata" template, but it's unclear wether or not Wikipedians in
>> frwiki will catch the bait :)
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Re: [Wikidata] Descriptions

[Paul Houle]

I think from an ergonomic standpoint it would be helpful to treat
"descriptions" as "comments".  In the case of something from Wikipedia
there is a link to Wikipedia and that helps.

For objects where curators and users need to know what this object is,
 what gotchas are associated with using it,  etc,  such a facility would be
necessary.

Some standard should exist for "auto-generated descriptions" to be
considered good enough,  but for records like

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4876286

there ought to be some kind of red mark to say this record is thinner then
we like.  If somebody has a problem with that situation they ought to add
enough data to autogenerate a description better than

Exists(something): something has label "Beanie Babies 2.0" in the English
Language

hopefully the community can improve the database in terms of where their
needs are.



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thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I also started a lua module on frwiki in the same spirit for on wiki
> without gadgets description generation:
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Description . It's used in the "Lien
> Wikidata" template, but it's unclear wether or not Wikipedians in frwiki
> will catch the bait :)
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Re: [Wikidata] Descriptions

[Thomas Douillard]

I also started a lua module on frwiki in the same spirit for on wiki
without gadgets description generation:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Description . It's used in the "Lien
Wikidata" template, but it's unclear wether or not Wikipedians in frwiki
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Re: [Wikidata] Descriptions

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
This gadget is in active use on many Wikipedias. It makes a big difference
because it is part of the extended Wikidata search in those Wikipedias.

When I have to disambiguate between multiple items, I add statements so
that I see the difference between items. I can then decide if I need
another item or not because Reasonator has its automated descriptions
always "up to date".
Thanks,
GerardM

On 20 August 2015 at 09:22, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> Thanks for your work including ULAN descriptions! I agree they are great.
> As for Monte's earlier response to Magnus's comment about people vs other
> stuff, I think that Monte's sample effort proves how much "headway" we have
> achieved on person-items and this is excellent to read. I am a big fan of
> enabling the crowd, and have been having fun with Magnus latest gadget that
> shows me the auto-description, which is of course most challenging when
> that is blank (no "instance of" property). I spent fifteen minutes trying
> on this one and couldn't think of anything better than "machine":
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknote_counter
>
> I am just one Wikidatan but it would be great if others could also keep
> Wikidata in mind while browsing Wikipedia. Can we publish this gadget in
> all languages on Wikidata? Maybe we should create a project on Wikidata
> called "Wikipedia"?
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Vladimir Alexiev <
> vladimir.alex...@ontotext.com> wrote:
>
>> > The case is made often that descriptions as they exist are evil. They
>> are atrocious
>> > Why do we not get rid of all that rubbish. [and replace with]
>> > Automated descriptions … can easily be improved upon in two ways ..
>>
>> I agree in general, except for items that don’t have much data, e.g.
>> person’s life years,
>> (Or have too much data that can’t be selected easily, e.g. 10 occupations
>> but only 1 is really notable).
>> For people: I mostly copy the description from Getty ULAN: that’s very
>> good, even if the life years are unknown (thus set too wide, or missing).
>>
>> So my point is, there should also be an algorithm to decide whether to
>> replace the manual description.
>>
>> Why people invest time in writing “rubbish”: because there’s no worse
>> description than a missing description.
>> Most everything should have an EN description, to allow a user to
>> understand what that is, esp in an auto-complete list.
>> Even a very bad description usually allows that.
>>
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Re: [Wikidata] Descriptions

[Thomas Douillard]

> I am just one Wikidatan but it would be great if others could also keep
Wikidata in mind while browsing Wikipedia. Can we publish this gadget in
all languages on Wikidata? Maybe we should create a project on Wikidata
called "Wikipedia"?

I totally agree, people don't really realize yet that Wikidata is not
really another project but another aspect of the same project. An example
is the data quality question (I had to answer this one more time today with
enwiki chemist bot owner), «is data quality of Wikidata enough for
Wikipedia»). The question disappear when you realize data quality of both
projects is essentially the same after the data migration step, and that a
more coordinated effort on local communities means better quality for
everything …

Of course as Wikidata is not full featured yet (chemists needs units for
their numbers) this can mitigate the discourse a lot, but it becomes more
and more credible as development progress.

2015-08-20 9:22 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell :

> Thanks for your work including ULAN descriptions! I agree they are great.
> As for Monte's earlier response to Magnus's comment about people vs other
> stuff, I think that Monte's sample effort proves how much "headway" we have
> achieved on person-items and this is excellent to read. I am a big fan of
> enabling the crowd, and have been having fun with Magnus latest gadget that
> shows me the auto-description, which is of course most challenging when
> that is blank (no "instance of" property). I spent fifteen minutes trying
> on this one and couldn't think of anything better than "machine":
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknote_counter
>
> I am just one Wikidatan but it would be great if others could also keep
> Wikidata in mind while browsing Wikipedia. Can we publish this gadget in
> all languages on Wikidata? Maybe we should create a project on Wikidata
> called "Wikipedia"?
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Vladimir Alexiev <
> vladimir.alex...@ontotext.com> wrote:
>
>> > The case is made often that descriptions as they exist are evil. They
>> are atrocious
>> > Why do we not get rid of all that rubbish. [and replace with]
>> > Automated descriptions … can easily be improved upon in two ways ..
>>
>> I agree in general, except for items that don’t have much data, e.g.
>> person’s life years,
>> (Or have too much data that can’t be selected easily, e.g. 10 occupations
>> but only 1 is really notable).
>> For people: I mostly copy the description from Getty ULAN: that’s very
>> good, even if the life years are unknown (thus set too wide, or missing).
>>
>> So my point is, there should also be an algorithm to decide whether to
>> replace the manual description.
>>
>> Why people invest time in writing “rubbish”: because there’s no worse
>> description than a missing description.
>> Most everything should have an EN description, to allow a user to
>> understand what that is, esp in an auto-complete list.
>> Even a very bad description usually allows that.
>>
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Thanks for your work including ULAN descriptions! I agree they are great.
As for Monte's earlier response to Magnus's comment about people vs other
stuff, I think that Monte's sample effort proves how much "headway" we have
achieved on person-items and this is excellent to read. I am a big fan of
enabling the crowd, and have been having fun with Magnus latest gadget that
shows me the auto-description, which is of course most challenging when
that is blank (no "instance of" property). I spent fifteen minutes trying
on this one and couldn't think of anything better than "machine":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknote_counter

I am just one Wikidatan but it would be great if others could also keep
Wikidata in mind while browsing Wikipedia. Can we publish this gadget in
all languages on Wikidata? Maybe we should create a project on Wikidata
called "Wikipedia"?

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Vladimir Alexiev <
vladimir.alex...@ontotext.com> wrote:

> > The case is made often that descriptions as they exist are evil. They
> are atrocious
> > Why do we not get rid of all that rubbish. [and replace with]
> > Automated descriptions … can easily be improved upon in two ways ..
>
> I agree in general, except for items that don’t have much data, e.g.
> person’s life years,
> (Or have too much data that can’t be selected easily, e.g. 10 occupations
> but only 1 is really notable).
> For people: I mostly copy the description from Getty ULAN: that’s very
> good, even if the life years are unknown (thus set too wide, or missing).
>
> So my point is, there should also be an algorithm to decide whether to
> replace the manual description.
>
> Why people invest time in writing “rubbish”: because there’s no worse
> description than a missing description.
> Most everything should have an EN description, to allow a user to
> understand what that is, esp in an auto-complete list.
> Even a very bad description usually allows that.
>
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> The case is made often that descriptions as they exist are evil. They are 
> atrocious 
> Why do we not get rid of all that rubbish. [and replace with]
> Automated descriptions … can easily be improved upon in two ways ..

I agree in general, except for items that don’t have much data, e.g. person’s 
life years,
(Or have too much data that can’t be selected easily, e.g. 10 occupations but 
only 1 is really notable).
For people: I mostly copy the description from Getty ULAN: that’s very good, 
even if the life years are unknown (thus set too wide, or missing).

So my point is, there should also be an algorithm to decide whether to replace 
the manual description.

Why people invest time in writing “rubbish”: because there’s no worse 
description than a missing description. 
Most everything should have an EN description, to allow a user to understand 
what that is, esp in an auto-complete list.
Even a very bad description usually allows that.
 


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[Wikidata] Descriptions

[Gerard Meijssen]

In case you missed it, there is a great post by Magnus about descriptions
[1]

The case is made often that descriptions as they exist are evil. They are
atrocious and for whatever reason it does not make a difference that a much
better solution exists. It was discussed at the London Wikimania and it
seems as if people have a religious belief that people will do better.

Automated descriptions can easily be improved upon in two ways all the time
every time by

   - improving the algorithm for automated description
   - improving the algorithm for automated descriptions by considering
   language specific issues
   - improving the result of the algorithm by adding statements where they
   are lacking on items

I have blogged about this issue in the past. The arguments against the
current crop of descriptions is convincing. Why do we not get rid of all
that rubbish. The only argument I know that has some merit is that people
invested time in them. The sad thing is it was as waste because the results
are not good, they are not convincing and they will never support all 280+
languages Wikidata supports.

Thanks,

 GerardM
[1] http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=342
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