Re: [Wikidata] New Status Indicator Icon about Relative Page Completeness

[Simon Razniewski]

On 16 November 2016 at 11:44, Maarten Dammers  wrote:

> Hi Simon,
>
> On 15-11-16 09:51, Simon Razniewski wrote:
>
> It can be enabled by adding the following line to your *common.js*:
>
>  *importScript( 'User:Ls1g/recoin-core.js' );*
>
> Why don't you turn it into a gadget before promoting it? That would lower
> the barrier a lot for people just wanting to try out your new cool tool.
> Maybe creating a gadget seems to be too complicated or cumbersome? An
> overview of the current gadgets are at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/
> Special:Gadgets
>
> I was about to create a gadget out of it when I noticed the line
> https://tadaqua.inf.unibz.it/api/getmissingattributes.php in
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/recoin-core.js . I'm pretty sure
> grabbing data from a third party domain is a violation of the WMF privacy
> policy, because the owner of the domain tadaqua.inf.unibz.it is able to
> track users who enable this script. Not sure. Someone WMF legal could
> probably confirm this. Probably best to move it to
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/ .
>
> Hi Maarten,

Thanks for your comments! We would be glad to have this as gadget, do you
know what is the process to get there? I can't find infos about that at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Gadgets. Yes, the external API call
would need to be removed then, migrating to tools.wmflabs.org sounds like a
good idea. I would need to check for time/resources though, or maybe there
is a chance to define this as some kind of Wikimedia-sponsored summer (?)
project? The current code is not that complex, but to extend the scope of
the indicator to other categories of items, and various other suggestions,
might entail more to do.

Cheers,
Simon



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Re: [Wikidata] New Status Indicator Icon about Relative Page Completeness

[Maarten Dammers]

Hi Simon,


On 15-11-16 09:51, Simon Razniewski wrote:

It can be enabled by adding the following line to your /common.js/:
  /importScript( 'User:Ls1g/recoin-core.js' );/
Why don't you turn it into a gadget before promoting it? That would 
lower the barrier a lot for people just wanting to try out your new cool 
tool. Maybe creating a gadget seems to be too complicated or cumbersome? 
An overview of the current gadgets are at 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Gadgets


I was about to create a gadget out of it when I noticed the line 
https://tadaqua.inf.unibz.it/api/getmissingattributes.php in 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/recoin-core.js . I'm pretty sure 
grabbing data from a third party domain is a violation of the WMF 
privacy policy, because the owner of the domain tadaqua.inf.unibz.it is 
able to track users who enable this script. Not sure. Someone WMF legal 
could probably confirm this. Probably best to move it to 
http://tools.wmflabs.org/ .


Maarten



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Re: [Wikidata] New Status Indicator Icon about Relative Page Completeness

[Simon Razniewski]

Yes, our approach is to filter out "date of death", "place of death" and
"image of death" exactly if none of them is already present.

Also most ID properties are currently filtered, and it is possible to
filter out more.

Cheers,
Simon

On 15 November 2016 at 19:06, Denny Vrandečić  wrote:

> *not
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016, 10:06 Denny Vrandečić  wrote:
>
>> Do you make sure but to request the place of death or date of death on
>> living people? I.e. can we filter certain properties?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016, 07:20 Simon Razniewski  wrote:
>>
>> On November 15, 2016, csara...@uni-koblenz.de wrote
>>
>> It would be very interesting to see the status of the interlinking to
>> external sources through Recoin. I guess that the claims related to the
>> interlinking (e.g. authority control properties
>>
>> > properties/Generic#Authority_control>)
>>
>>
>> will already appear in the explanations of Recoin, but it might be
>> useful to show the status of the completeness of the interlinking
>> separately. Maybe as a separate analogous indicator, or in the same
>> indicator but with separate explanations.
>>
>>
>> Hi Cristina,
>> In fact, our focus was first on the "regular" properties, thus,
>> unfortunately, we are filtering out exactly the ID properties at the moment.
>> But it is no technical problem to set up a second indicator specifically
>> for authority control properties, if that is of interest we can think about
>> that. Would the same approach as for the facts, i.e., computing the color
>> using a count-based on comparison with what other, similar entities have,
>> make sense for claims about interlinking?
>>
>>
>> Is the source code of Recoin available?
>>
>>
>> It should become available, in fact, it is a pretty straightforward
>> count-based comparison with the facts that entities of the same occupation
>> have, I can send you the code immediately if you want, though
>> albin.ahm...@gmail.com could tell you more about the technical setup.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Simon
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Re: [Wikidata] New Status Indicator Icon about Relative Page Completeness

[Denny Vrandečić]

*not

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016, 10:06 Denny Vrandečić  wrote:

> Do you make sure but to request the place of death or date of death on
> living people? I.e. can we filter certain properties?
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016, 07:20 Simon Razniewski  wrote:
>
> On November 15, 2016, csara...@uni-koblenz.de wrote
>
> It would be very interesting to see the status of the interlinking to
> external sources through Recoin. I guess that the claims related to the
> interlinking (e.g. authority control properties
>
> <
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Generic#Authority_control
> >)
>
>
> will already appear in the explanations of Recoin, but it might be
> useful to show the status of the completeness of the interlinking
> separately. Maybe as a separate analogous indicator, or in the same
> indicator but with separate explanations.
>
>
> Hi Cristina,
> In fact, our focus was first on the "regular" properties, thus,
> unfortunately, we are filtering out exactly the ID properties at the moment.
> But it is no technical problem to set up a second indicator specifically
> for authority control properties, if that is of interest we can think about
> that. Would the same approach as for the facts, i.e., computing the color
> using a count-based on comparison with what other, similar entities have,
> make sense for claims about interlinking?
>
>
> Is the source code of Recoin available?
>
>
> It should become available, in fact, it is a pretty straightforward
> count-based comparison with the facts that entities of the same occupation
> have, I can send you the code immediately if you want, though
> albin.ahm...@gmail.com could tell you more about the technical setup.
>
> Cheers,
> Simon
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Re: [Wikidata] New Status Indicator Icon about Relative Page Completeness

[Denny Vrandečić]

Do you make sure but to request the place of death or date of death on
living people? I.e. can we filter certain properties?

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016, 07:20 Simon Razniewski  wrote:

> On November 15, 2016, csara...@uni-koblenz.de wrote
>
> It would be very interesting to see the status of the interlinking to
> external sources through Recoin. I guess that the claims related to the
> interlinking (e.g. authority control properties
>
> <
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Generic#Authority_control
> >)
>
>
> will already appear in the explanations of Recoin, but it might be
> useful to show the status of the completeness of the interlinking
> separately. Maybe as a separate analogous indicator, or in the same
> indicator but with separate explanations.
>
>
> Hi Cristina,
> In fact, our focus was first on the "regular" properties, thus,
> unfortunately, we are filtering out exactly the ID properties at the moment.
> But it is no technical problem to set up a second indicator specifically
> for authority control properties, if that is of interest we can think about
> that. Would the same approach as for the facts, i.e., computing the color
> using a count-based on comparison with what other, similar entities have,
> make sense for claims about interlinking?
>
>
> Is the source code of Recoin available?
>
>
> It should become available, in fact, it is a pretty straightforward
> count-based comparison with the facts that entities of the same occupation
> have, I can send you the code immediately if you want, though
> albin.ahm...@gmail.com could tell you more about the technical setup.
>
> Cheers,
> Simon
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[Wikidata] New Status Indicator Icon about Relative Page Completeness

[Simon Razniewski]

Dear Wikidata Community,

We are happy to announce today *a new status indicator icon about the
relative completeness of pages*, available via our Recoin
 user script. The user
script adds a color-coded progress bar icon to the status bar, which
expresses how extensive the information on the page is in comparison with
pages about similar entities. Currently, the script works for all humans
that have an occupation, by comparing the typical properties of entities
having that occupation.

It can be enabled by adding the following line to your *common.js*:

 *importScript( 'User:Ls1g/recoin-core.js' );*

Further information on how the values are computed is on the tool's page
.

We are looking forward to your opinions and feedback, especially how useful
you find such an indicator in general, and regarding the accuracy of the
computed values.
Best wishes
Simon Razniewski
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