Re: [Wikidata] RFC - Primary Sources?

2016-06-15 Thread Marco Fossati 

Hi Lydia,

On 6/15/16 07:42, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

Lydia - can you assign someone to come up to speed at whatever level

Denny requires to feel comfortable making the transfer?

I will take care of it with Denny in the next days.


Repasting part of a previous message with the list of requirements:

A. a developer to understand the back-end code [1], written in C++;
B. a developer to understand the front-end code [2], written in Javascript;
C. access to the WMF Labs machine to deploy the back-end [3];
D. a Wikidata administrator to deploy the front-end [4];
E. centralized and exhaustive documentation.

As part of the StrepHit project goals [5], my team is striving to help 
with A. (not exactly trivial) and C., but we really need B. and D. to be 
effective.


Best,

Marco

[1] https://github.com/google/primarysources/tree/master/backend
[2] https://github.com/google/primarysources/tree/master/frontend
[3] https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-primary-sources
[4] 
https://github.com/google/primarysources/tree/master/frontend#deployment-on-wikidata
[5] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/StrepHit:_Wikidata_Statements_Validation_via_References#Project_Goals


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Re: [Wikidata] RFC - Primary Sources?

2016-06-14 Thread Thomas Steiner 
Hi Tom, all,

> Have you considered asking
> Google to transfer ownership of the project since they're no longer doing
> anything with it?
Denny wrote [1] that we are open to transferring the project to a new
owner: "If anyone wants to take over the project, we would invite you
to contribute a bit for a while, and then let’s discuss about it. I
would be thrilled to see this tool develop.". This still stands :-)

Cheers,
Tom

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Re: [Wikidata] RFC - Primary Sources?

2016-06-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,
That would be really welcome.. I notice how much duplication is going on...
SAD... My position on this has been clear.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 14 June 2016 at 21:18, Thad Guidry  wrote:

> Lydia,
>
> I would contribute.  Most of us from Freebase around would gladly help out
> I'm sure.  We'd like to see the data eventually move into Wikidata rather
> than rot away.
>
>
> Thad
> +ThadGuidry 
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Lydia Pintscher <
> lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Tom Morris  wrote:
>> > OK, Marco Fossati (aka marfox on Github) is a name I recognize.
>> >
>> > Lydia - I'm not upset, just confused by the RFC. Have you considered
>> asking
>> > Google to transfer ownership of the project since they're no longer
>> doing
>> > anything with it? That would do away with the requirement that
>> contributors
>> > sign a Google CLA and open the door for active project leadership.
>>
>> I am happy to handle that if I have someone who says they'd contribute
>> to the tool without the CLA but not with it, yes.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lydia
>>
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Re: [Wikidata] RFC - Primary Sources?

2016-06-14 Thread Thad Guidry 
Lydia,

I would contribute.  Most of us from Freebase around would gladly help out
I'm sure.  We'd like to see the data eventually move into Wikidata rather
than rot away.


Thad
+ThadGuidry 

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Lydia Pintscher <
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Tom Morris  wrote:
> > OK, Marco Fossati (aka marfox on Github) is a name I recognize.
> >
> > Lydia - I'm not upset, just confused by the RFC. Have you considered
> asking
> > Google to transfer ownership of the project since they're no longer doing
> > anything with it? That would do away with the requirement that
> contributors
> > sign a Google CLA and open the door for active project leadership.
>
> I am happy to handle that if I have someone who says they'd contribute
> to the tool without the CLA but not with it, yes.
>
>
> Cheers
> Lydia
>
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Re: [Wikidata] RFC - Primary Sources?

2016-06-14 Thread Lydia Pintscher 
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Tom Morris  wrote:
> OK, Marco Fossati (aka marfox on Github) is a name I recognize.
>
> Lydia - I'm not upset, just confused by the RFC. Have you considered asking
> Google to transfer ownership of the project since they're no longer doing
> anything with it? That would do away with the requirement that contributors
> sign a Google CLA and open the door for active project leadership.

I am happy to handle that if I have someone who says they'd contribute
to the tool without the CLA but not with it, yes.


Cheers
Lydia

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Re: [Wikidata] RFC - Primary Sources?

2016-06-14 Thread Marco Fossati 

Hi Tom and thanks Lydia for the clarification,

that request for comments (RFC) [1] aims at gathering feedback both on 
the primary sources tool and the available datasets (especially StrepHit 
[2]), which are closely intertwined: the dataset is in the tool, so 
people can play with both in one single interaction and leave their 
thoughts in the RFC.


Sorry if the title is misleading: the pipeline is indeed semi-automatic, 
as the StrepHit dataset is generated automatically, while its validation 
requires human attention.


Since I'm trying to centralize the discussion, it would be great if you 
could expand in the RFC the 3 fundamental questions you raised.


Best,

Marco

[1] 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Semi-automatic_Addition_of_References_to_Wikidata_Statements
[2] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/StrepHit:_Wikidata_Statements_Validation_via_References



On 6/14/16 08:27, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:03 AM Tom Morris > wrote:

I'm confused by this from today's Wikidata weekly summary:

  * New request for comments: Semi-automatic Addition of References
to Wikidata Statements - feedback on the Primary Sources Tool



First of all, the title makes no sense because "semi-automatic
addition of references to Wikidata statements" is one of the main
things that the tool can't currently do. You'll almost always end up
with duplicate statements if there's an existing statement, rather
than the desired behavior of just adding the statement.

Second, I'm not sure who "Hjfocs" is (why does everyone have to make
up fake wikinames?), but why are they asking for more feedback when
there's been *ample* feedback already? There hasn't been an issue
with getting people to test the tool or provide feedback based on
the testing. The issue has been with getting anyone to *act* on the
feedback. Everything is a) "too hard," or b) "beyond our resources,"
or depends on something in category a or b, or is incompatible with
the arbitrary implementation scheme chosen, or some other excuse.

We're 12-18+ months into the project, depending on how you measure,
and not only is the tool not usable yet, but it's no longer
improving, so I think it's time to take a step back and ask some
fundamental questions.

- Is the current data pipeline and front end gadget the right
approach and the right technology for this task? Can they be fixed
to be suitable for users?
- If so, should Google continue to have sole responsibility for it
or should it be transferred to the Wikidata team or someone else
who'll actually work on it?
- If not, what should the data pipeline and tooling look like to
make maximum use of the Freebase data?

The whole project needs a reboot.


I realize you are upset but you are really barking up the wrong tree.
Marco is trying to give the whole thing more structure and sort through
all the requests to find a way forward. He is actually doing something
constructive about the issues you are raising.


Cheers
Lydia
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