[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-CA
Mbch331 added a comment. @Bouzinac Why did you reopen this task which has been merged 2 years ago? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Mbch331 Cc: Bouzinac, Laddo, thiemowmde, gerritbot, PokestarFan, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-CA
VIGNERON added a comment. Hi, More exactly: the code fr-ca works fine (everywhere AFAIK) but for some reason the name "français canadien" doesn't appears on the list (I think this is a different and separate bug and a new ticket would be more appropriate). TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Mbch331, VIGNERON Cc: Laddo, thiemowmde, gerritbot, PokestarFan, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-CA
Mbch331 added a comment. Indeed it works fine: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4115189&oldid=1073803719 But when entering this, I didn't get an option, but that's a separate bug. The original request has been implemented. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Mbch331 Cc: Laddo, thiemowmde, gerritbot, PokestarFan, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-CA
Lea_Lacroix_WMDE added a comment. Yes, the fact that the language doesn't appear in the list is a known bug and we have a ticket for that (which I can't find at the moment because search in Phabricator ^^) TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Mbch331, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE Cc: Laddo, gerritbot, PokestarFan, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-CA
Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. Let's move ahead with fr-CA and get this merged.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Mbch331, Lydia_PintscherCc: gerritbot, PokestarFan, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, Lewizho99, Maathavan, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-CA
gerritbot added a comment. Change 369986 merged by jenkins-bot: [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add monolingual language code 'fr-ca' https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369986TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Mbch331, gerritbotCc: thiemowmde, gerritbot, PokestarFan, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
GerardM added a comment. This is NOT necessarily where the language committee gives its ok. It is not a different language. Thanks, GerardMTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. @GerardM thanks. Can the committee please come to a clear yes or no? Thanks :)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Lydia_PintscherCc: Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
VIGNERON added a comment. Sound globally like a good idea but we should go further and deeper. I feel the request and the example is not wide enough, true « épinette de Norvège » is more common in Canada but this species have dozen of name in french, fr-ca label only solve one name. Why only fr-ca, why not fr-be, fr-ch, fr-us, fr-qc, etc. ? Right now, we only have frc and frp (because they are far - and lucky - enough to have an ISO 639 code), I think we should look at this globally instead of doing one by one request. PS: out of curiosity, how far is fr-ca to fr (I don't have numbers but it seems much closer than en-ca to en, and it's more a question of grammar than vocabulary and Wikidata don't care much for grammar ; there is no case like colour/color or organise/organize).TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: VIGNERONCc: VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
Fralambert added a comment. @VIGNERON For Wikidata, I am not sure there is much difference between fr-ca and fr.except in the vernacular names of plants of animals, and the title of translated books and movies We have some difference in the administrative level, but in Wikidata (municipalité - commune) these type of thing are generally different two items. For fr-qc, it's probably totally useless if we add fr-ca (It's mostly a different name of the same variety). Fr-ch will probabbly usefull for the name of plants in French used in Switzerland via https://www.infoflora.ch/fr/ For fr-be and fr-us, I have no opinion on the subject, but the best is pobably find a database who use them first.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: FralambertCc: VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
MF-Warburg added a comment. In T151186#2814687, @Esc3300 wrote: @MF-Warburg would you like to add something from the lang-co perspective? We're currently still discussing this.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: MF-WarburgCc: MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
Esc3300 added a comment. @MF-Warburg what's the development so far? Would you kindly provide a link to the discussion? What is the outstanding issue?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Esc3300Cc: MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
Lea_Lacroix_WMDE added a comment. Hello, I have a similar question regarding en-us. (discussion) Is it a case you already had? What do you think about adding en-us in the list of languages?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Lea_Lacroix_WMDECc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
GerardM added a comment. Hoi, For en-US we take it that it is standard English.. We do have en-GB among others already. Thanks, GerardMTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
Lea_Lacroix_WMDE added a comment. Hello @GerardM, I transmit below the answer from the demander, MPF (who can't answer on Phabricator for technical reasons: "American (en-us) is absolutely not the same as standard English (en). To say so is disgusting cultural imperialism, and highly objectional and insulting to English people; as such it is wholly contrary to the ethos and standards of wikis. The language name and code must follow the original language, i.e., English (en) is the language of English people in England, and not the often very different variant spoken in USA. Compare for example Portuguese (pt), which is used for the original European Portuguese (10.5 million speakers), while Brazilian Portuguese is pt-br despite its much greater population size (200 million) - a very comparable case to en and en-us. As with the example cited earlier by Fralambert for fr-ca, many plants and animals have different names in English and American, and to insist that the standard English name is the American name - and that the actual English name is therefore incorrect - is highly insulting to English people. To have an 'en-gb' is also inaccurate, as - although generally extremely similar - there are slight differences between English English, and Scottish English, Welsh English, Manx English, etc."TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Lea_Lacroix_WMDECc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
Esc3300 added a comment. To focus this on the request, please use T151186 . Thanks.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Esc3300Cc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
Esc3300 added a comment. Can we move ahead with fr-ca ?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Esc3300Cc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
Lea_Lacroix_WMDE added a comment. @MF-Warburg & others Hello :) Do you have any update regarding this topic? The ticket is open for a while now, we should be able to move on. If you have any specific technical issue about Wikidata, let me know. Thanks!TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Lea_Lacroix_WMDECc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, QZanden, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca
GerardM added a comment. Hoi, When you want a technical point, the code is a combination of two parts, to standards. It is fr, the ISO 639 -1 code for Francais, the French language and CA, the ISO 3166-2 code for Canada. Both should be spelled correctly so the code should be fr-CA Thanks, GerardMTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, QZanden, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-CA
gerritbot added a comment.Herald added a subscriber: PokestarFan. Change 369986 had a related patch set uploaded (by Mbch331; owner: Mbch331): [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add monolingual language code 'fr-CA' https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369986TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151186EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: gerritbotCc: gerritbot, PokestarFan, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, MF-Warburg, VIGNERON, Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Fralambert, Aklapper, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
