[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T214884: linking Schemas in statements

[Jsamwrites]

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  One suggestion made in Project chat  
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#How_to_resume_a_property_proposal_being_on_hold
 was to bring attention to our requirement here.
  
  We are currently trying to bring back this property discussion, currently  
'under hold' : 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Shape_Expression_for_class.
 A number of entity schemas have been added during the BioHackathon. There are 
now around 200 Entity Schemas.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T214884: linking Schemas in statements

[Thadguidry]

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  Is there anything inherently wrong or technically infeasible or undesirable, 
if an id used 2 letters?  ES45 versus E45 
 ?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T214884: linking Schemas in statements

[Lea_Lacroix_WMDE]

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  @Lydia_Pintscher I just discussed with @WMDE-leszek about how we should move 
forward with this. The ticket should probably be evaluated again, and then 
prioritize. Basically, nothing prevents us to move forward with linking Schemas 
in statements.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T214884: linking Schemas in statements

[Thadguidry]

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  TODO: Just wanted to highlight that once decisions are made... please ensure 
to update the Glossary item  ! 
 Currently it reads:
  
  > EntitySchema is a special type of Wikidata page containing a document in 
ShEx format, and related metadata. Although it may have labels, descriptions 
and aliases similar to items, it is not a type of entity, nor powered by 
Wikibase. Entities may be validated against an EntitySchema using a tool.
  
  As a Data Architect in real life working with databases & entities, I 
actually appreciate and like the fact that EntitySchema is not a type of entity 
and as @alaa_wmde states, it decouples concepts and allows flexibility with 
multiple viewpoints from around the world.  It also allows external publishers 
to express their own views and later link them and validate them. (not every 
entity/thing has to be stored in Wikibase, but allowing conceptual linking 
helps the world, so a canonical URI is a "good thing" and agree with @Jheald )

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T214884: linking Schemas in statements

[alaa_wmde]

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  @Lydia_Pintscher I added two entries to the AC for RDF URI output and for 
What Links Here functionality to be fixed. If that looks good on your end for 
releasing this feature, let's move it to Ready to Estimate.

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[alaa_wmde]

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  Deadline added for the decision, **02.09.2019** end of work day.

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[alaa_wmde]

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  Waiting on discussion regarding which direction to go with this.

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[Bugreporter]

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  It refers to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/E10, and 
Special:EntityData is served by Wikibase, but EntitySchema is not based on 
Wikibase.

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[Jheald]

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  @Bugreporter :  T225778  "Define 
canonical URI for EntitySchemas" was opened a few weeks ago as a specific 
ticket for what the canonical URI should be, so I've added that in as a subtask 
for this ticket.
  
  But, why is it that you object to `wd:E10`  (ie 
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/E10), similar to eg `wd:L20`  (ie 
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/L20) for a Lexeme ?

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[Lydia_Pintscher]

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  Ok. Based on the comments here and in project chat let's flip the config 
switch for this to off and see what we can do about the raised points.

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[Jheald]

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  A couple of issues:
  
  On the beta system, Pages that link to "EntitySchema:E1" 
 
isn't showing anything, despite Entity schema (P253078) 
 having it as a value.
  
  Secondly, can we confirm that, on WDQS, a property Px with data type 
'EntitySchema' (eg this proposal Wikidata:Property proposal/Shape Expression 
for class 

 will lead to statements of the form
  
wd:Q5  wdt:Px  wd:E10
  
  with the wd:E10 being appropriately linked by the UI and turned into an 
appropriate URL in the download ?
  
  If this is not the case, then the datatype is **not ready to go**.  (Also, 
are these a reflection of a fundamental issue that the internal type ought to 
be "Wikibase entity id", not "string" ?)

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  Change 526770 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add remaining i18n messages for 
EntitySchema data type
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/526770

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  Change 526770 had a related patch set uploaded (by Ladsgroup; owner: 
Ladsgroup):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add remaining i18n messages for 
EntitySchema data type
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/526770

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  ShEx schemas have an RDF representation. which round-trips everything except 
comments and whitespaces. For example, compare 3circRefPlus1.shex 
 
to 3circRefPlus1.ttl 
 or 
1dotIMPORT1dot.shex 
 
to 1dotIMPORT1dot.ttl 
 
in https://github.com/shexSpec/shexTest/tree/master/schemas.

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  Change 523980 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
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  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/523980

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T214884: linking Schemas in statements

[alaa_wmde]

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  > If schemas aren’t entities, we shouldn’t pretend otherwise in the RDF 
output either. Also, the Wikibase tradition is that /wiki/Q42 is not the URI of 
the entity, but only of its HTML representation. If we wanted to emit entity 
schemas as entities, we would need extra URLs analogous to Wikibase’s /entity/ 
and /wiki/Special:EntityData/.
  
  They are not entities, but they can still be concepts in the "ontology" the 
RDF is trying to describe, can't they? but yeah string value is probably better 
to start with as it poses less requirements on us for maintaining new urls for 
them yet.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  In T214884#5372933 , 
@alaa_wmde wrote:
  
  >> - How the RDF output of this look like? Should we not do it for MVP and 
add it later? It can have treat it as "StringValue" RDF output as well (for now)
  >
  > I would've thought first of using the schema's url as a concept URI and 
used it here, but didn't look into it in details if that would work/make sense.
  
  If schemas aren’t entities, we shouldn’t pretend otherwise in the RDF output 
either. Also, the Wikibase tradition is that `/wiki/Q42` is not the URI of the 
entity, but only of its HTML representation. If we wanted to emit entity 
schemas as entities, we would need extra URLs analogous to Wikibase’s 
`/entity/` and `/wiki/Special:EntityData/`.
  
  Probably best to go with StringValue for now.
  
  >> - How formatting should look like? Right now, after saving, you will get 
"EntitySchema:E45 ", should we get the 
title? That would be really hard to implement
  >
  > there's an AC for this `Link text should be the ID of the entity schema` .. 
we should use the ID for now, so `EntitySchema:E45` is totally fine.
  
  The ID would be `E45`, not `EntitySchema:E45`.

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[alaa_wmde]

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  > - How the RDF output of this look like? Should we not do it for MVP and add 
it later? It can have treat it as "StringValue" RDF output as well (for now)
  
  I would've thought first of using the schema's url as a concept URI and used 
it here, but didn't look into it in details if that would work/make sense.
  
  > - How formatting should look like? Right now, after saving, you will get 
"EntitySchema:E45 ", should we get the 
title? That would be really hard to implement
  
  there's an AC for this `Link text should be the ID of the entity schema` .. 
we should use the ID for now, so `EntitySchema:E45` is totally fine.
  
  > - The same goes with suggester, Should it search based on the title? 
Implementing it is needed for the first iteration? It also might be complex but 
not as complex the above one
  
  Going with the ID is probably okay for MVP, right @Lydia_Pintscher? but if 
searching with label/description/alias is tiny effort (<2 hours) then why not, 
I'd do it.

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[gerritbot]

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  Change 523980 had a related patch set uploaded (by Ladsgroup; owner: 
Ladsgroup):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] [WIP] Add EntitySchema data type
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/523980

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T214884: linking Schemas in statements

[alaa_wmde]

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  In T214884#5264763 , 
@Ladsgroup wrote:
  
  > In T214884#5264614 , 
@Esc3300 wrote:
  >
  > > We could use the https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q64335281 approach. Also 
solves the problem of structured data on EntitySchemas.
  >
  >
  > That is a hack, if we need to have structured data on EntitySchemas, then 
entity schemas need to be entities as well.
  
  
  I see your point. But I think too much generalization can be at fault here 
and would lead to undesirable coupling on conceptual level between schemas and 
entities.
  
  In this task, we only need to link to them so far. Theree's no clear need nor 
requirement for having structured data on EntitySchemas within Wikidata itself. 
That could change of course, and even then it would probably be cleaner for 
entity schemas to keep their own domain that does not inherit from Wikibase 
domain. Then Wikidata can represent those schemas with items to have some 
structured data on them .. this will allow entity schemas to come, be stored 
and develop freely from being bound to Wikibase DataModel (and therefore, 
pragmatically, its software tech stack & choices).

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[alaa_wmde]

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  In T214884#5256350 , 
@Michael wrote:
  
  > @alaa_wmde You mentioned that there exists a checklist for adding a new 
datatype. Could you link it here?
  
  
  here's the doc about it in the repository:
  
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/+/refs/heads/master/docs/datatypes.wiki

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  Why is there such a "need"?
  
  It's the standard approach for everything else in the WMF-wikiverse.

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  In T214884#5264614 , 
@Esc3300 wrote:
  
  > We could use the https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q64335281 approach. Also 
solves the problem of structured data on EntitySchemas.
  
  
  That is a hack, if we need to have structured data on EntitySchemas, then 
entity schemas need to be entities as well.

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  We could use the https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q64335281 approach. Also 
solves the problem of structured data on EntitySchemas.

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  It would have been so much easier if EntitySchemas were entities, we just 
could have re-used the entity datatype boilerplate

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[Jheald]

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  The community has now given the thumbs-up to Wikidata:Property proposal/Shape 
Expression for class 
,
 to link a class item to the Shape Expression that members of it should conform 
to.
  
  It is now ready to go, as soon as it becomes possible to add statements with 
datatype 'EntitySchema'.

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  Simple solution could be to use items instead, see 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q64335281

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  Yeah but it'd be fine to add links to several Schemas to one Item or the same 
Schema to several Items.

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  You might not want to add it to the data itself as people persuing different 
use cases will want to assert that the item is linked to different schemas. 
When I go to test whether a schema matches , I won't be 
interested in whether it matches everything else it's ever been used for, so at 
the very least, properties linking data to schemas are advisory and not 
required for the validation infrastructure.

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  We used to have an url property that was suitable for that .. not sure where 
it went.

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