[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T91981: Show an auto-generated article description when a user-contributed one is unavailable.
ChristianKl added a comment. Currently quite a lot of the existing descriptions on Wikidata are bot created. From pressing a few times on Random Item: Q19410337 -> "street in Dongen, the Netherlands" The bot User:RobotMichiel1972 that created this item put description in Dutch and in English. Automatic fallback description in other languages in the same format would be useful. Q899453 Halve of the claims are created by https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:JhsBot and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Dexbot . There are currently many music albums that don't have descriptions. I find it unlikely that humans want to write the descriptions for them. When using the search functions the fact that it's not immediately clear that those are music albums can create problems when their names are also used in other contexts. It's not easily visible for a user that those claims are bot created. If automatic description fallbacks would be shown in a similar way as language fallbacks are shown, it would make it clear that the existing description are only bot created. The goal doesn't have to be to show why an item is important. It's simply about describing the item. Let's say I'm searching for an item that's called "winner". There are two item that represent music singles with Q8025588 and Q2104521. If an autogenerated description would tell me that they are music singles I would know that they aren't what I'm looking for and a bit later in the list I find Q18560095 that corresponds to the winner property. If it would show me "subclass of person" as a description for the Q18560095 I could easily find it even through it's the 18th hit in the list and those two music single came before it.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91981EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: ChristianKlCc: ChristianKl, Mbch331, Nikki, Popcorndude, Agabi10, StudiesWorld, Filceolaire, Nemo_bis, Jdlrobson, Magnus, thiemowmde, Lydia_Pintscher, Tgr, Deskana, bearND, Dbrant, Aklapper, Serumulapiet, catalandres, D3r1ck01, donaldepig, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Josve05a___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T91981: Show an auto-generated article description when a user-contributed one is unavailable.
Filceolaire added a comment. If the user doesn't like the auto-description then the user can fix the two or three wikidata statements used to generate the description. This will fix the description in all languages so this is what we should be encouraging. Fixing the English description will just fix the English description. I am shocked the description of this bug does not mention improving Localisation which, for me, is the most important thing about this bug. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91981 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Filceolaire Cc: StudiesWorld, Filceolaire, Nemo_bis, Jdlrobson, Magnus, thiemowmde, Lydia_Pintscher, Tgr, Deskana, bearND, Dbrant, Aklapper, Cxyshine, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T91981: Show an auto-generated article description when a user-contributed one is unavailable.
Nemo_bis added a subscriber: Nemo_bis. Nemo_bis added a comment. Bot-generated articles are a stray argument. Precisely *because* bot-generated articles were an issue, we need to cover topics nobody bothered to cover without expensive static free text, in a sustainable way as Wikidata statements are. As for wrong impression that user contributions are not needed any more, I doubt it. The moment someone bothers to actually create an article, description or whatever, then it's automatically out of the long tail of topics nobody bothers about. This ticket here is, as far as I understand, about the situation where there is an article in the users language but no Wikidata description in that language. It would be useful to clarify the task title/description. In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99895, as here, 95 % of the work is in i18n/language engineering to make the text acceptable in many languages. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91981 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Nemo_bis Cc: Nemo_bis, Jdlrobson, Magnus, thiemowmde, Lydia_Pintscher, Tgr, Deskana, bearND, Dbrant, Aklapper, Cxyshine, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Matanya, Malyacko ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T91981: Show an auto-generated article description when a user-contributed one is unavailable.
Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. Then let's clearly set expectations and criteria beforehand as to what constitutes success and why we're actually doing it. Just because we want to/can isn't enough imho. FWIW: The auto-generated town articles you mention are imho a perfect example of something gone wrong. A significant percentage of them are still around - largely unchanged and outdated - and broken on wikis other than enwp where they were done. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91981 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher Cc: Jdlrobson, Magnus, thiemowmde, Lydia_Pintscher, Tgr, Deskana, bearND, Dbrant, Aklapper, Cxyshine, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Matanya, Malyacko ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T91981: Show an auto-generated article description when a user-contributed one is unavailable.
Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. What Thiemo says. I think auto-generating descriptions is a very bad idea. They are just not good enough at this point to really capture why a certain concept is important. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91981 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher Cc: thiemowmde, Lydia_Pintscher, Tgr, Deskana, bearND, Dbrant, Aklapper, Cxyshine, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Matanya, Malyacko ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T91981: Show an auto-generated article description when a user-contributed one is unavailable.
thiemowmde added a subscriber: thiemowmde. thiemowmde added a comment. @Tgr, we just talked about this in the team. T99895: article placeholder based on Wikidata data https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99895 is about the situation where there is a Wikidata item but no article in the users language. The idea is to show the user - instead of a nothing found error message - a nice rendering of what we know about the topic and possibly help him starting a new article in his language. This ticket here is, as far as I understand, about the situation where there is an article in the users language but no Wikidata description in that language. It seems this ticket is suggesting to extract an abstract from the existing article or auto-generate a description from the Wikidata statements. Our https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikidata/'s team conclusion is that both is most probably a bad idea. For example, it gives the wrong impression that user contributions are not needed any more. It will create the conflicting situation of users deleting descriptions that happen to be identical to the auto-generated one, leaving third-party users of the data with nothing. @Lydia_Pintscher can explain this better, I think. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91981 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: thiemowmde Cc: thiemowmde, Lydia_Pintscher, Tgr, Deskana, bearND, Dbrant, Aklapper, Cxyshine, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Matanya, Malyacko ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
