Re: [Wikidata-l] Introduction and some questions on Wikidata
Hey Bernardo On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Bernardo Najlis b52@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, My name is Bernardo and I work as a Business Intelligence Consultant in Toronto, Canada. I've been reading pretty much everything about WikiData over the past few days, and I'm really excited about this project! I would love to participate and collaborate in developing tools to bring data from external sources, particularly the vast open data sets that are so common right now. Have you already seen http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_collaborators ? I have some questions about the project and how can I participate, that you might be able to help me with: 1) I know the data import is planned for a future phase 2. Do you think it would be useful to start working on some of that now? It really depends on what you want to do right now. But the technical basis for actual data beyond language links isn't there yet so there isn't too much to do. People have already written bots to import language links that you might want to have a look at. 2) I also learned that you guys had a round table on June 21 about this topic (wish I could have known about Wikidata and been there!) but I couldn't find what the outcome of that discussion was. Is there anywhere where I can find what was discussed there? Hmm I seem to remember there was an etherpad. Anyone who was there got a link? 3) Is there anyone else on the list working on the subject of how to bring data in? I have some ideas on the subject, but again, don't know if this is too early in the project. A first step would be to define what data exactly you've got in mind and then get consensus in the community that this is something that is wanted. I think it's a bit too early still though for the latter. A real decision can probably only be made after the second phase has been in use for a bit by editors with real data. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was Introduction and some questions on Wikidata)
On 15.11.2012 20:06, Helder . wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at wrote: (...) First of all the priority lies on data already present on Wikipedia. Wikidata should not be a data storage for everything structured in the world, so we should first start to transfer data already present on Wikipedia to Wikidata. (...) Wouldn't that kind of transfer be a violation of the CC-BY-SA license used on Wikipedia, considering it is not compatible[1] with CC0? If the data is actually copyrightable, then yes. Facts as such are not copyrightable. But if there was a bot transferring stuff from infoboxes, it should at least check for any actual text (e.g. long values with spaces), and not transfer it, because of license reasons. -- daniel -- Daniel Kinzler, Softwarearchitekt Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was Introduction and some questions on Wikidata)
Automatically copying over infoboxes is something I don't advise. Unlike current infoboxes, which are rarely sourced, every point of data on Wikidata should be DIRECTLY and INDIVIDUALLY sourced. We can use the same source 37 times, but each bit of information that would ordinarily have a field on an infobox needs to have its own source, we can't just say everything on this page is from . If we do automatic importing, it's going to be an uphill battle from day one to source things. On Nov 15, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Gregor Hagedorn g.m.haged...@gmail.com wrote: If the data is actually copyrightable, then yes. Facts as such are not copyrightable. But if there was a bot transferring stuff from infoboxes, it should at least check for any actual text (e.g. long values with spaces), and not transfer it, because of license reasons. I agree. Just to clarify what actual text should mean: Although a short sentence with several words may occasionally be a copyrightable text (e.g. a poem), it is very rarely so. On Wikipedia infoboxes, due to scope, purpose and style, this can almost be excluded. It is not desirable to exclude brief scope notes or source notes, which occasionally occur in Wikipedia infoboxes, just because they contain several words. I personally would recommend an extraction dryrun and manually check for parameters that have more than perhaps 12-15 words, whether they are creative (= copyrightable) or plain expressions of fact or sources (= not copyrightable). Gregor ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was Introduction and some questions on Wikidata)
The argument above is about automatically copying over content from other projects. My point is that the license isn't the problem with it, but that there is a problem with it. Sven On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Gregor Hagedorn g.m.haged...@gmail.comwrote: On 15 November 2012 23:35, Sven svenmangu...@gmail.com wrote: Automatically copying over infoboxes is something I don't advise. Unlike current infoboxes, which are rarely sourced, every point of data on Wikidata should be DIRECTLY and INDIVIDUALLY sourced. We can use the same source 37 times, but each bit of information that would ordinarily have a field on an infobox needs to have its own source, we can't just say everything on this page is from . If we do automatic importing, it's going to be an uphill battle from day one to source things. (The argument above is independent of licensing, so this should perhaps be discussed in a separate thread?) Gregor ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] Wikidata demo repo is being spammed.
Hello, I wanted to let you guys know that there is spam being added to items (descriptions and labels) on the demo repo. Regards, Snaevar ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
