Re: [Wikidata-l] Pushing Wikidata to the next level
Congratulations Lydia! I also think that the user experience of Wikidata could use a little work. As it stands right now, it is definitely a little hard for an average user to make sense of what it is and what it can be used for. I'm going to try and contribute to that as best as I can over the coming few months and even apply some of those UI changes to the mobile skin! On an unrelated note, I got so excited to learn that you've studied at the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology because that is one of the places I'm going to be applying to in a couple of months! Cheers, Pragun On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Scott MacLeod worlduniversityandsch...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations, Lydia! Nice to learn of this founding story of Wikidata (and an amazing development in Wikipedia), and thanks for all of your great visions for Wikidata and Wikipedia. Cheers, Scott On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Thomas thoma...@hotmail.fr wrote: Congratulation! I hope that Wikidata will become far more better than the amazing thing that it is currently. Thomas Le 1 oct. 2013 à 18:42, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk a écrit : On 1 October 2013 15:30, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: From now on I will be taking over product ownership of Wikidata as its product manager. I'm very pleased for you.; congratulations! -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- - Scott MacLeod - Founder President - http://scottmacleod.com/worlduniversityandschool.html - World University and School - like Wikipedia with MIT OpenCourseWare (not endorsed by MIT OCW) - incorporated as a nonprofit effective April 2010. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Pragun Bhutani http://pragunbhutani.in Skype : pragun.bhutani ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Pushing Wikidata to the next level
Thanks everyone! On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Pragun Bhutani pragu...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations Lydia! Thank you! I also think that the user experience of Wikidata could use a little work. As it stands right now, it is definitely a little hard for an average user to make sense of what it is and what it can be used for. I'm going to try and contribute to that as best as I can over the coming few months and even apply some of those UI changes to the mobile skin! That would be fantastic. How about you start by looking around and seeing what's bugging you most and then we have a quick chat about it on IRC maybe? On an unrelated note, I got so excited to learn that you've studied at the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology because that is one of the places I'm going to be applying to in a couple of months! It is a great university, Good luck with your application. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Pushing Wikidata to the next level
Hi -- or better: Heya! -- Lydia: Congratulations to your new role! This is great news for the project, which allows Wikidata to proceed on its important mission in perfect continuity. Denny has made huge contributions to the project in the past 1.5 years -- a task that often involved balancing many forces, both on a technical and on a social level. Without his commitment and energy, we would not be in this encouraging position today. We would also have a lot less funding to draw from. We are really extremely fortunate to continue with a product manager who is perfectly prepared for this important role: someone who has the key skills as well as the specific experience, and who has a profound understanding of what open source and open knowledge are all about. So welcome again in your new job, and all the best for the next steps. Cheers, Markus On 01/10/13 15:30, Lydia Pintscher wrote: (crossposting from http://blog.wikimedia.de/?p=17250) In early 2010 I met Denny and Markus for the first time in a small room at the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology to talk about Semantic MediaWiki, its development and its community. I was intrigued by the idea they'd been pushing for since 2005 - bringing structured data to Wikipedia. So when the time came to assemble the team for the development of Wikidata and Denny approached me to do community communications for it there was no way I could have said no. The project sounded amazing and the timing was perfect since I was about to finish my studies of computer science. In the one and a half years since then we have achieved something amazing. We've built a great technical base for Wikidata and much more importantly we've built an amazing community around it. We've built the foundation for something extraordinary. On a personal level I could never have dreamed where this one meeting in a small room in Karlsruhe has taken me now. From now on I will be taking over product ownership of Wikidata as its product manager. Up until today we've built the foundation for something extraordinary. But at the same time there are still a lot of things that need to be worked on by all of us together. The areas that we need to focus on now are: * Building trust in our data. The project is still young and the Wikipedia editors and others are still wary of using data from Wikidata on a large scale. We need to build tools and processes to make our data more trustworthy. * Improving the user experience around Wikidata. Building Wikidata to the point where it is today was a tremendous technical task that we achieved in a rather short time. This though meant that in places the user experience has not gotten as much attention. We need to make the experience of using Wikidata smoother. * Making Wikidata easier to understand. Wikidata is a very geeky and technical project. However to be truly successful it will need to be easy to get the ideas behind it. These are crucial for Wikidata to have the impact we all want it to have. And we will all need to work on those - both in the development team and in the rest of the Wikidata community. Let's make Wikidata a joy to use and get it used in places and ways we can't even imagine yet. Cheers Lydia ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata RDF Issues
Am 01.10.2013 20:14, schrieb Tom Morris: How about not creating a fork just so you can delete a couple of directories? The full download is a whopping 260KB. Is that really too big/complex to include in its entirety and just ignore the parts you don't use? Not deploying code we do not use, especially if it is complex, is a requirement from the ops team. And deploying a standalone HTTP end point (as contained in the EasyRDF distribution) on the boxes that server Wikipedia is an absolute no go. We had the choice of either deleting the unneeded parts, or writing our own. This is actually not the first time I'm having this problem with an RDF library when all I want to do is export. Last time, I ended up writing my own (in Java). -- daniel ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata RDF Issues
On 10/2/13 10:42 AM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 01.10.2013 20:14, schrieb Tom Morris: How about not creating a fork just so you can delete a couple of directories? The full download is a whopping 260KB. Is that really too big/complex to include in its entirety and just ignore the parts you don't use? Not deploying code we do not use, especially if it is complex, is a requirement from the ops team. And deploying a standalone HTTP end point (as contained in the EasyRDF distribution) on the boxes that server Wikipedia is an absolute no go. We had the choice of either deleting the unneeded parts, or writing our own. This is actually not the first time I'm having this problem with an RDF library when all I want to do is export. Last time, I ended up writing my own (in Java). -- daniel ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l Daniel, When will the fixed data be generated and published? -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata RDF Issues
On 02/10/2013 15:42, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: Am 01.10.2013 20:14, schrieb Tom Morris: How about not creating a fork just so you can delete a couple of directories? The full download is a whopping 260KB. Is that really too big/complex to include in its entirety and just ignore the parts you don't use? Not deploying code we do not use, especially if it is complex, is a requirement from the ops team. And deploying a standalone HTTP end point (as contained in the EasyRDF distribution) on the boxes that server Wikipedia is an absolute no go. We had the choice of either deleting the unneeded parts, or writing our own. This is actually not the first time I'm having this problem with an RDF library when all I want to do is export. Last time, I ended up writing my own (in Java). -- daniel Hello, Making EasyRdf more modular, making it possible to only use the parts that you need, is definitely on my roadmap. I think RDF.rb does this very well. Although it is a difficult to balance up against keeping it easy to install and use. In the meantime, would it help to have a script that automatically creates a cut down version of EasyRdf from the git repo? nick. - http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata RDF Issues
Am 02.10.2013 17:00, schrieb Kingsley Idehen: Daniel, When will the fixed data be generated and published? October 14, if all goes well. -- daniel ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-l Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2
Congratulations Lydia. I think you will do a great job with this. On your three areas we need to focus on I have some comments: 1. Building trust in our data. The project is still young and the Wikipedia editors and others are still wary of using data from Wikidata on a large scale. We need to build tools and processes to make our data more trustworthy. 2. Improving the user experience around Wikidata. Building Wikidata to the point where it is today was a tremendous technical task that we achieved in a rather short time. This though meant that in places the user experience has not gotten as much attention. We need to make the experience of using Wikidata smoother. 3. Making Wikidata easier to understand. Wikidata is a very geeky and technical project. However to be truly successful it will need to be easy to get the ideas behind it. 1. I think that if we have to wait till wikipedians trust our data before they use it then we may never get there. Rather we need to make it easier for wikipedians to edit our data than it is for them to edit a local infobox so that wikipedians themselves can improve our data. 2. This means the emphasis is on improving the user experience around the wikipedia interface to wikidata. When that is smooth enough then no one will care that the edit interface on wikidata itself is a bit geeky. 3. If most people interact with wikidata via infoboxes on wikipedia and Vcards on wikivoyage then wikidata becomes much easier to understand - at least the bit of wikidata they interact with. Then users, for the most part, don't need to 'get' the ideas behind the infobox. From this the priorities, as I see them, are: A. Finish the remaining datatypes. B. Develop and test model infoboxes on wikidata ready for wikiprojects in any language to adopt and deploy. (To test these infoboxes we will need to be able to enable wikidata as a wikibase client with a sitelink from every item to its talk page so infoboxes on the talk page work like infoboxes on any other sitelinked page.) Tweak the ontology as necessary to make the infoboxes work. C. Adapt the wikipedia infobox visual editor so it can edit as 2. above. Deploy the revised visual editor on wikidata first so we can test it before it goes live elsewhere. This is just my opinion but I offer it as a conversation starter. Is my list very different from yours? Joe (filceolaire) ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata RDF Issues
On 10/2/13 1:09 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 02.10.2013 17:00, schrieb Kingsley Idehen: Daniel, When will the fixed data be generated and published? October 14, if all goes well. -- daniel ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l Daniel, Note, cross references in DBpedia won't change following your fix. What will emerge, as a result of these fixes, is the ability to demonstrate the power of owl:sameAs inference [1], at Web-scale, using Linked Data from the DBpedia and Wikidata data spaces on the Web :-) [1] http://bit.ly/19pgtiP -- post about DBpedia and Wikidata cross references that's missing a typical live demonstration link re. full implications of owl:sameAs relations based reasoning and inference . -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
