Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Freebase mappings published under CC0

2013-11-12 Thread David Cuenca 
Hi Denny,

I asked again about this property because there were some concerns when it
was created. From the comments I infer that the general ethos is "not
against, but not thrilled either":
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Freebase-Wikidata_mappings

I share the feeling, I don't mind linking, but I see little utility for
Wikidata given the different licenses.

Cheers,
Micru


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote:

> Hi Max,
>
> indeed, I am not suggesting creating a new property. The data release that
> was made today basically provides data for P646.
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
>
>
> Regarding the off-topic part of your mail, I want to point out to my
> personal opinion with regards to data licensing, which was formulated
> before I started my current job:  . This
> is solely my opinion though, but it did influence my voice in the
> decision-making process around the license for Wikidata in my previous job.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Klein,Max  wrote:
>
>>  Hello All,
>>
>>  We already do have a freebase ID, similar to the VIAF one- it's 
>> P646
>> .
>>
>>  I just went back into the email Archives and a discussion started on
>> 6/14/2013 by Google Developer Relations person Shawn Simister[1] first
>> proposed this property. There is large thread there about licensing, ending
>> with Micru having an unanswered question to Shawn about how Freebase can
>> manage its license since it mixes CC-0 and CC-BY?
>>
>>  Off-topic: this thread is from before Denny announced that he was going
>> to Google, I believe, is that correct? Whatever happens with licensing, and
>> regarding Wikidata's CC0, I hope that it wasn't engineered so that Google
>> could profit from Wikidata. I concede that this thought is mostly from
>> paranoia, and disagreeing with a lot of Google's politics and tactics in
>> the past.
>>
>>  [1] https://plus.google.com/+ShawnSimister
>>
>>
>>  Maximilian Klein
>> Wikipedian in Residence, OCLC
>> +17074787023
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* wikidata-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org <
>> wikidata-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of Gerard Meijssen <
>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 11, 2013 11:27 AM
>> *To:* WikiData-l
>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Freebase mappings published under
>> CC0
>>
>>
>> Hoi,
>> If I understand you well,  what you propose is adding links that are
>> similar to what we already do to VIAF and so many others. Using data from
>> Freebase is a tantalising option. Is there agreement and a license that
>> allows for this?
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>> Op 11 nov. 2013 19:35 schreef "Denny Vrandečić" :
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>  as you know, I have recently started a new job. My mission to get more
>>> free data out to the world has not changed due to that, though.
>>>
>>>  Thus, I am happy to point you today to a step in this direction. We
>>> have created a mapping of Wikidata Qids to Freebase Mids, and are
>>> publishing it under CC0, so that anyone can use it in any way they want.
>>> The file contains about 2 Million mappings.
>>>
>>>  The download and all further data is available here:
>>>   <
>>> https://developers.google.com/freebase/data#freebase-wikidata-mappings>
>>>
>>>  In particular, I hope that the data will be uploaded to Wikidata. We
>>> also plan to upload the data to Freebase. The two-way links will ensure
>>> that systems using either knowledge base can easily merge data, go from one
>>> to the other, enrich data with each other, etc. We opted to first publish
>>> the mappings standalone, to make clear that they are under CC0.
>>>
>>>  The mapping is created based on the Wikidata dumps from end of
>>> October. Wikidata Items are matched with Freebase Topics based on their
>>> respective links to Wikipedia. Each mapping says that there have been no
>>> disagreeing Wikipedia-Links and at least two agreeing Wikipedia-Links, so
>>> the data should be very clean. Furthermore, the mappings are sorted by the
>>> number of agreeing Wikipedia-Links, so it is kinda sorted by relevance.
>>>
>>>  The data is in RDF format. To get the Mids as they are used in
>>> Wikidata, the replace the namespace
>>>   http://rdf.freebase.com/ns/m.
>>> with
>>>   /m/
>>> The Wikidata Qids are using the Wikidata namespace, i.e. the Qids
>>> themselves are concatenated to
>>>   http://www.wikidata.org/entity/
>>>
>>>  If anyone wants to take up the task to upload the data to Wikidata, I
>>> can offer to help and answer questions and to help.
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>> Denny
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Freebase mappings published under CC0

2013-11-12 Thread Markus Krötzsch 

On 12/11/13 16:26, Sven Manguard wrote:

Google would not have sent over a large chunk of cash to help get
Wikidata started if it didn't think it could use Wikidata. That Russian
search engine comany would not have sent over a large chunk of cash to
keep Wikidata going if it didn't think it could use Wikidata.

That doesn't mean Google is being malicious (about this, at least), it
means that they are making a  business decision. As long as Google
doesn't try to make decisions about Wikidata content or operations -
something it would have no economic reason to do anyways - I don't have
a problem with that. Just don't pretend that Google is doing this out of
the goodness of ther hearts.


Another important thing to note in this context is that all funding for 
Wikidata so far had the form of donations, which is crucially different 
from sponsoring (where you get something in return). The donors who give 
their money hope, of course, that the project will do something that 
they will find useful, but they exercise no control whatsoever in the 
development process. The donations are not bound to any condition, not 
even reporting, and there is no way to retract them. So each donor's 
initial intentions, whatever they were, have no influence on the 
execution of the project (moreover, I Kant think of any reason why the 
intentions rather than the outcome should determine the value of the 
deed ;-).


Cheers,

Markus




On Nov 11, 2013 6:27 PM, "Cristian Consonni" mailto:kikkocrist...@gmail.com>> wrote:

2013/11/11 Denny Vrandečić mailto:vrande...@google.com>>:
 > as you know, I have recently started a new job. My mission to get
more free
 > data out to the world has not changed due to that, though.

=))
I am very happy to hear this.

Also, the mapping is awesome.

2013/11/11 Klein,Max mailto:kle...@oclc.org>>:
 > I regretted writing what I did after thinking about it over
lunch, since it
 > is not "Assume good faith" towards Google. Maybe one of the
reasons that I
 > was sensitive to it was because I'm representing VIAF in
Wikidata, which is
 > kind of the same as Freebase in Wikidata, and I wouldn't want people
 > assuming bad faith about VIAF.
 >
 > Thanks for being clear and open about your work, its a real
inspiration.
 > With apologies,

Yours too, Max.

Thank you both for your very good work.

Cristian

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Freebase mappings published under CC0

2013-11-12 Thread Sven Manguard 
Google would not have sent over a large chunk of cash to help get Wikidata
started if it didn't think it could use Wikidata. That Russian search
engine comany would not have sent over a large chunk of cash to keep
Wikidata going if it didn't think it could use Wikidata.

That doesn't mean Google is being malicious (about this, at least), it
means that they are making a  business decision. As long as Google doesn't
try to make decisions about Wikidata content or operations - something it
would have no economic reason to do anyways - I don't have a problem with
that. Just don't pretend that Google is doing this out of the goodness of
ther hearts.
On Nov 11, 2013 6:27 PM, "Cristian Consonni" 
wrote:

> 2013/11/11 Denny Vrandečić :
> > as you know, I have recently started a new job. My mission to get more
> free
> > data out to the world has not changed due to that, though.
>
> =))
> I am very happy to hear this.
>
> Also, the mapping is awesome.
>
> 2013/11/11 Klein,Max :
> > I regretted writing what I did after thinking about it over lunch, since
> it
> > is not "Assume good faith" towards Google. Maybe one of the reasons that
> I
> > was sensitive to it was because I'm representing VIAF in Wikidata, which
> is
> > kind of the same as Freebase in Wikidata, and I wouldn't want people
> > assuming bad faith about VIAF.
> >
> > Thanks for being clear and open about your work, its a real inspiration.
> > With apologies,
>
> Yours too, Max.
>
> Thank you both for your very good work.
>
> Cristian
>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] default support for languages

2013-11-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,
I would like to give this the possibility of visibility.. It helps when you
know what language to use. This should also be something that fits into a
global user profile.
Thanks,
  Gerard


On 12 November 2013 15:09, Joe Filceolaire  wrote:

> I would propose adding a 'languages' tab to the user settings. That is
> where users expect to set their UI preferences.
> Let us tick boxes for as many 'additional languages' as we want.
> On 12 Nov 2013 11:05, "Gerard Meijssen"  wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> At this moment, it seems like a secret that you need to add a #Babel
>> template in order to get to see labels in multiple languages. As a
>> consequence there are people that think that Wikidata is English only.
>>
>> That is bad.
>>
>> Wikidata does make use of the ULS or Universal Lannguage Selector. It
>> provides everybody with three languages they are likely to be interested in
>> based on things like geo location and stuff. They do research this quite
>> heavily so it is a reasonable guess.
>>
>> Do you agree with me that it would be a good idea to use these three
>> languages as a default for new users and not logged in users. What I hope
>> we will achieve is more awareness of the multi lingual status of our
>> project.
>> Thanks,
>>   GerardM
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Re: [Wikidata-l] default support for languages

2013-11-12 Thread Joe Filceolaire 
I would propose adding a 'languages' tab to the user settings. That is
where users expect to set their UI preferences.
Let us tick boxes for as many 'additional languages' as we want.
On 12 Nov 2013 11:05, "Gerard Meijssen"  wrote:

> Hoi,
> At this moment, it seems like a secret that you need to add a #Babel
> template in order to get to see labels in multiple languages. As a
> consequence there are people that think that Wikidata is English only.
>
> That is bad.
>
> Wikidata does make use of the ULS or Universal Lannguage Selector. It
> provides everybody with three languages they are likely to be interested in
> based on things like geo location and stuff. They do research this quite
> heavily so it is a reasonable guess.
>
> Do you agree with me that it would be a good idea to use these three
> languages as a default for new users and not logged in users. What I hope
> we will achieve is more awareness of the multi lingual status of our
> project.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
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[Wikidata-l] RDF extraction of Wikidata

2013-11-12 Thread Kim Haklae 
Hi Group,

I am looking for a rdf model of Wikidata. Based on WDA, it might need to
expand more RDF vocabularies for this transformation. This would be a good
starting point: http://wiki.dbpedia.org/gsoc2013/ideas/WikidataMappings. Is
there any approaches? Do I develop my own vocabularies?

Best regards,
Haklae
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[Wikidata-l] default support for languages

2013-11-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,
At this moment, it seems like a secret that you need to add a #Babel
template in order to get to see labels in multiple languages. As a
consequence there are people that think that Wikidata is English only.

That is bad.

Wikidata does make use of the ULS or Universal Lannguage Selector. It
provides everybody with three languages they are likely to be interested in
based on things like geo location and stuff. They do research this quite
heavily so it is a reasonable guess.

Do you agree with me that it would be a good idea to use these three
languages as a default for new users and not logged in users. What I hope
we will achieve is more awareness of the multi lingual status of our
project.
Thanks,
  GerardM
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