Re: [Wikidata-l] Disambiguating property [was: Freebase like API with an OUTPUT feature}

2015-01-09 Thread Jeff Thompson

||On 2015/01/09 14:50, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Denny Vrandečić vrande...@gmail.com wrote:

Actually, since Wikidata allows now properties on properties, one might
easily create an item Disambiguating property and then make a claim
instance of - Disambiguating property on the relevant property. there is
no need for any extra implementation work.

And in fact that already exists ;-) See for example
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P345


We would want to say that https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6545185 unique 
identifier is that same as 
http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#InverseFunctionalProperty. In this case a 
property is an instance of unique identifier (not sub property) so 
that unique identifier is the same class as InverseFunctionalProperty. 
We already have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1628 equivalent 
property. Is there an equivalent class?


- Jeff

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Re: [Wikidata-l] [Mediawiki-api] Freebase like API with an OUTPUT feature ?

2015-01-09 Thread Jeff Thompson
As I understand it, Freebase explicitly rejected inheritance through 
subclass relations. Therefore it has no class tree and indirect 
inheritance.  It is flat.  Every item has to directly have all the 
values that pertain to it.  Is that right?


Wikidata, on the other hand, follows OWL which uses subclasses to form a 
tree. Therefore, information is indirect and queries need to understand 
this.  If a Property is disambiguating, it can be an instance of an Item 
which is ultimately a subclass of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6545185 
unique identifier. In a system like Wikidata which allows inheritance, 
a query needs to follow the tree (unlike Freebase which is flat and you 
don't follow any inference). It is possible that a query engine can 
cache the result of such an indirect inference, but the raw database 
does not need to flatten everything like Freebase. Is that OK?


- Jeff

On 2015/01/09 16:30, Thad Guidry wrote:

So Lydia,

Your saying that if I see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18614948 as a 
property on another Property... then that is similar to the Freebase 
disambiguating flag ?


In Freebase, we have just one flag but that is not the case here, 
correct ?  Wikidata has (or might have) several such disambiguating 
flags via the property on Property ?


It would be nice, from an API and developer perspective, to not have 
to discover all those disambiguating propertiesbut have only a 
master disambiguating property to work with...a single disambiguator 
flag, just like Freebase has is this possible, where someone can 
go through an mark all of them as disambiguating ?


My hope is that the Wikidata query service could give me nicely 
formatted output for claims that only contain disambiguating property 
data just like the Freebase API example URL that I mentioned at 
the beginning of the thread. So hopefuly you guys are saying that is 
possible via the property on a Property.


Thad
+ThadGuidry https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry





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Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History

2014-12-29 Thread Jeff Thompson
The ISO standard for CIDOC CRM is behind a pay wall with a patent 
notice. Can it be used in an open knowledge system?


On 2014-12-29 9:49, Dov Winer wrote:

Hi Sam,

CIDOC/CRM is the ontology of choice for Structured History
as it is anchored on modelling events.

An excellent project based on it is the ResearchSpace from
the British Museum.
See:
http://www.researchspace.org/
http://www.researchspace.org/home/rsandcrm
http://cidoc-crm.org/

Enjoy,
Dov


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[Wikidata-l] Complete list of properties?

2014-02-13 Thread Jeff Thompson

Hello.

Is there a way to see an automatically-generated list of properties with 
their name and data type?


(I tried the following page but it doesn't seem to be up-to-date, so 
that's why I asked if there is an automatically-generated page.)

http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/all

Thank you,
- Jeff


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