Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
On 23 April 2015 at 15:20, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure how I missed this discussion, but adding information from OSM into Wikidata en mass like this is a violation of the OSM license. Nobody is prosing to add information from OSM into Wikidata en mass. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Thad Guidry thadgui...@gmail.com wrote: I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA. I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to loading them all in. Let me know if I can help. I was able to match 407 lighthouses on OSM and Wikidata: http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/2015-04-18/match_results/Lighthouses.html -- Edward. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
The best way to link objects from Wikidata and Openstreetmap is by adding wikidata tags to the OSM objects. That way those Q-numbers can follow along when an OSM object gets converted from a node to a way (POI to building for example) or from a way to a relation. (area to a multipolygon for example). The best way to figure out which objects are connected is the Overpass API. It would be a good idea to have a poperty on the wikidata side where Overpass Queries can be stored. Polyglot 2015-04-23 17:08 GMT+02:00 Peter F. Patel-Schneider pfpschnei...@gmail.com : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 How so? Oh, because Wikidata is CC0 and the Open Street Map database is ODbL, which is somewhat like CC BY-SA. I don't think that that follows, though, as what is being put into Wikidata is contents, which appear to me to be covered under the DbCL, which is like CC0. Peter F. Patel-Schneider, speaking as an individual On 04/23/2015 07:20 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I am not sure how I missed this discussion, but adding information from OSM into Wikidata en mass like this is a violation of the OSM license. - Serge On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 2015-03-10 14:31, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: Hi, [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be integrated with Wikidata. ... Towns obviously have or can a Wikipedia article about them, but probably not every street or shop. But do they fulfill a structural need or is it way too much? Hi Amir, anything which can be remotely considered as a tourist attraction, as well as shops, hotels, reataurants and such are withing the scope of Wikivoyage and thus of Wikidata. For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on Wikidata, and I do not see why any other country could be different - provided we have good sources. Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJVOQsGAAoJECjN6+QThfjziAYIAJ6uEmHK2HF9bAnTCo97wUf9 o1OPUCUfdaURiRCSTwZKHnxZVPjNS0pRKQMKzZS6+XMNVqy8jq5wCjDQsk7j+4cj LmRlkZohglxpn9eNqKvpO+5m7gl7Pj+w0eWzb09lE3irMyNN9+C5yBGxUaV+XCAB AIOqhPmBC5tJARHag0CLC5U0ocKb7C/eDX17f8NyeXFDhy34ejB1xywbtxbjAgxS eEp+l/KO3CkoKGabPQNDg9Cko/uFQlldPidvgFIHrfaMMdiccwwIMkKq0CLubvlL CT1J/y8/zd5cMTuiX6S1/HMhIPru+hZMsHlOe2Sx6XRH1MXARn0iX9WXzHqR7eA= =6EWJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
On 23 April 2015 at 15:09, Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: Here is my latest mapping between Wikidata items and OpenStreetMap objects: I'm still working on debugging the mismatches, before uploading the data to OpenStreetMap: Thank you - I'm looknig forward to seeing thsi happen. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 How so? Oh, because Wikidata is CC0 and the Open Street Map database is ODbL, which is somewhat like CC BY-SA. I don't think that that follows, though, as what is being put into Wikidata is contents, which appear to me to be covered under the DbCL, which is like CC0. Peter F. Patel-Schneider, speaking as an individual On 04/23/2015 07:20 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I am not sure how I missed this discussion, but adding information from OSM into Wikidata en mass like this is a violation of the OSM license. - Serge On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 2015-03-10 14:31, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: Hi, [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be integrated with Wikidata. ... Towns obviously have or can a Wikipedia article about them, but probably not every street or shop. But do they fulfill a structural need or is it way too much? Hi Amir, anything which can be remotely considered as a tourist attraction, as well as shops, hotels, reataurants and such are withing the scope of Wikivoyage and thus of Wikidata. For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on Wikidata, and I do not see why any other country could be different - provided we have good sources. Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJVOQsGAAoJECjN6+QThfjziAYIAJ6uEmHK2HF9bAnTCo97wUf9 o1OPUCUfdaURiRCSTwZKHnxZVPjNS0pRKQMKzZS6+XMNVqy8jq5wCjDQsk7j+4cj LmRlkZohglxpn9eNqKvpO+5m7gl7Pj+w0eWzb09lE3irMyNN9+C5yBGxUaV+XCAB AIOqhPmBC5tJARHag0CLC5U0ocKb7C/eDX17f8NyeXFDhy34ejB1xywbtxbjAgxS eEp+l/KO3CkoKGabPQNDg9Cko/uFQlldPidvgFIHrfaMMdiccwwIMkKq0CLubvlL CT1J/y8/zd5cMTuiX6S1/HMhIPru+hZMsHlOe2Sx6XRH1MXARn0iX9WXzHqR7eA= =6EWJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
I entirely agree and have been looking at a way we could start this in OSM in a systematic way. There are a ton of things OSM could benefit from with this. But this is, IMHO an OSM issue (an OSM import) and not something the Wikipedia folks here need to worry about so I think it belongs on an OSM mailing list. - Serge ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
I'm under the impression people on this mailing list are more interested in this, than most of us mappers, so it belongs here as well. I agree with you as far as the import goes, if you can call it that. We should have way to easily add wikidata tags to OSM elements which already have wikipedia tags. Knowing how the wikidata related information is stored in OSM, how to retrieve it and how to work with it, is something that definitely belongs on this list though. Polyglot 2015-04-23 18:42 GMT+02:00 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: I entirely agree and have been looking at a way we could start this in OSM in a systematic way. There are a ton of things OSM could benefit from with this. But this is, IMHO an OSM issue (an OSM import) and not something the Wikipedia folks here need to worry about so I think it belongs on an OSM mailing list. - Serge ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Tom, Split tool to the rescue ? :) Looks like the GeoNames ID is for the islet itself...so probably needs another entity for the Vinga Lighthouse itself sitting on that islet. Thad +ThadGuidry https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Tom Morris tfmor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: Thad Guidry thadgui...@gmail.com wrote: I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA. I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to loading them all in. Let me know if I can help. I was able to match 407 lighthouses on OSM and Wikidata: http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/2015-04-18/match_results/Lighthouses.html How can something be both a islet, a nature preserve, and a lighthouse? http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3372089 Tom ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Markus Bärlocher markus.baerloc...@lau-net.de wrote: Hi Thad, I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. :-) We have imported the LoL into OSM (40'000 lights), and show them on OpenSeaMap: http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=13lat=54.47933lon=10.27177layers=BFTFFFTFFTF0 Sorry I've been absent from this list for a while. What changesets/user did this import? Where's the corresponding import page for this as per the OSM requirements for it? - Serge ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: Thad Guidry thadgui...@gmail.com wrote: I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA. I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to loading them all in. Let me know if I can help. I was able to match 407 lighthouses on OSM and Wikidata: http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/2015-04-18/match_results/Lighthouses.html How can something be both a islet, a nature preserve, and a lighthouse? http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3372089 Tom ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
Here is my latest mapping between Wikidata items and OpenStreetMap objects: http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/2015-04-18/match_results/ I'm still working on debugging the mismatches, before uploading the data to OpenStreetMap: http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/2015-04-18/mismatches.html -- Edward. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
On 11 Mar 2015, at 09:37, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:24 AM Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: No, you are right: this is of course an issue in the completeness of our data. If you zoom in to Europe, you can see that some countries have costs full of lighthouses, while others seem to lack them almost completely. I think it clearly shows that a lot of our data comes from Wikipedias (in some specific language). In this instance, the issue appears to be that the existing lists on Wikipedia have not been touched, e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_in_Spain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_in_Spain These, including redlinks, could be imported into Wikidata rather easily. Some already have images. Ideally, we'd want some official (e.g. national, UN) source to cross-check. This is probably the best source: NGA List of Lights The List of Lights, Radio Aids and Fog Signals is published in seven volumes, as Publication numbers 110 through 116. Each volume contains lights and other aids to navigation that are maintained by or under the authority of foreign governments. http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_st=_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0007 http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_st=_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0007 The US also have another lights list for US http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0014 http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0014 For the US the NOAA have publicly accessible ENC marine charts which show 'lights': http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/ENCOnline/enconline.html http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/ENCOnline/enconline.html The US also have sailing guides: the regions http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/Images/SDLIMITS.jpg http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/Images/SDLIMITS.jpg where to get the pdf from http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_st=_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0011 http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_st=_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0011 Also Sailing Directions (Enroute) http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_st=_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0010 http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_st=_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0010 Here is a 10MB example http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/NAV_PUBS/SD/Pub132/Pub132bk.pdf http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/NAV_PUBS/SD/Pub132/Pub132bk.pdf There is also a crowdsource project here: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=enlat=38.315801lon=-4.954834z=7m=btag=782 http://wikimapia.org/#lang=enlat=38.315801lon=-4.954834z=7m=btag=782 Also the The Lighthouse Directory (University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill) http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/ http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/ ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
Am 10.03.2015 um 16:32 schrieb Yaroslav M. Blanter: Hi Amir, anything which can be remotely considered as a tourist attraction, as well as shops, hotels, reataurants and such are withing the scope of Wikivoyage and thus of Wikidata. For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on Wikidata, and I do not see why any other country could be different - provided we have good sources. I fear doing this is going to kill Wikidata. Neither the software nor the community scales to managing entries for every street in the world. -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
Am 10.03.2015 um 16:54 schrieb Luca Martinelli: 2015-03-10 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: What would this new Wikibase have that OpenStreetMap doesn't already have? The possibility of talking with WMF projects, as Wikidata talks with all the other projects... Only if it's also hosted on the WMF cluster. Or we implement http based federation (planned, but a lot of work, and waaay down there on the prio list). -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
On 11.03.2015 05:40, Tom Morris wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: For example, you can see that Portugal has a lot of lighthouses while Spain has almost none -- maybe we need to look at our data there ;-) Perhaps it's a language confusion issue, but does Spain really have few lighthouses? That would seem VERY unusual for a territory with an extensive coastline. No, you are right: this is of course an issue in the completeness of our data. If you zoom in to Europe, you can see that some countries have costs full of lighthouses, while others seem to lack them almost completely. I think it clearly shows that a lot of our data comes from Wikipedias (in some specific language). Where does Wikidata sit in that mix? How does it compare with DBpedia, Freebase, Wikipedia, or even *real* data sources like official governmental lists of navigational aids for mariners at sea? Good question. I guess that we could have a much better coverage for some of the obvious holes in our data, e.g., by adding classificaiton information based on Spanish Wikipedia categories. Independent of where it sits now, what where does it aspire to sit? The uncontested target would be: * Every lighthouse that is found in any Wikipedia (hence in Wikidata) should be instance of lighthouse and have coordinates and country defined. A possible target to discuss would be to add: * Every lighthouse should be in Wikidata. Whether or not this makes sense depends on how many lighthouses there really are. Maybe we are not so far from completeness. Lighthouses are prominent landmarks of historic, nautic, and touristic interest, so should be valid Wikipedia topics anyway. Moreover, they tend to change very little over time, so data maintenance is relatively easy. Note that this is quite different from streets, which change names all the time, get created, demolished, and merged, and are much larger in number. From these properties, I think OSM is much better suited for managing this data for now. In view of the current developments towards Wikidata query support, a tangible goal would be to set up integrated query services that provide a joint view of the data from OSM and Wikidata without physically moving large quantities of data from one to the other. Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Note that OSM is likely to be unusable for copyright reasons -- J. On 11/03/2015 11:20, Magnus Manske wrote: Started scraping Wikipedia lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_and_lightvessels Got to Canada: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12UaLKolLl5hbOFP9vztShQsiKkr5AZo_TbNr-NV9W-U/edit?usp=sharing Continue this (someone help!), or start anew from another source? On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:59 AM Markus Bärlocher markus.baerloc...@lau-net.de wrote: Sorry the tags was wrong... Right is: _in OpenSeaMap_ you can find 40'000 Lights by a query on: seamark:type=light_float seamark:type=light_vessel seamark:type=light_minor seamark:type=light_major seamark:type=light _in WP for Spain_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Liste_von_Leuchttürmen_in_Spanien _in WD for world_ 2135 lights today List: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=CLAIM[31:39715] Chart: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q= CLAIM[31:39715] best regards, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Openstreetmap has many lighthouses on the Spanish Coast: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/87R You can change the bbox and investigate the other coast lines easily with that query. Jo 2015-03-11 10:37 GMT+01:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com: On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:24 AM Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: No, you are right: this is of course an issue in the completeness of our data. If you zoom in to Europe, you can see that some countries have costs full of lighthouses, while others seem to lack them almost completely. I think it clearly shows that a lot of our data comes from Wikipedias (in some specific language). In this instance, the issue appears to be that the existing lists on Wikipedia have not been touched, e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_in_Spain These, including redlinks, could be imported into Wikidata rather easily. Some already have images. Ideally, we'd want some official (e.g. national, UN) source to cross-check. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Hi, _in OpenSeaMap_ you can find 40'000 Lights by a query on: seamark:type=light_float seamark:type=light_vessel seamark:type=minor_light seamark:type=major_light seamark:type=light _in WP for Spain_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Liste_von_Leuchttürmen_in_Spanien _in WD for world_ 2135 lights today List: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=CLAIM[31:39715] Chart: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=CLAIM[31:39715] best regards, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
On 03/11/2015 12:58 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 11.03.2015 um 12:39 schrieb Jo Walsh: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata#Importing_data *Copying data to Wikidata from OSM* (or even from other Wikimedia projects) *is not allowed* because Wikidata uses the public-domain style Creative Commons CC0 license which does not contain any attribution or share-alike provisions. Conversely, data may be copied from Wikidata without restriction. (OSM is licensed under the Open Database License) This applies to any copyrightable material. Facts (this is a lighthouse) are not copyrightable. Facts are not copyrightable, but in EU a lot of facts are when they are assembled in a database due to sui generis database right. I suppose that OSM falls under UK law and thereby EU sui generis database right, so systematic extraction of OSM data into Wikidata will constitute a violation in EU of the Open Database License terms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sui_generis_database_right /Finn -- Finn Årup Nielsen http://people.compute.dtu.dk/faan/ ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata#Importing_data *Copying data to Wikidata from OSM* (or even from other Wikimedia projects) *is not allowed* because Wikidata uses the public-domain style Creative Commons CC0 license which does not contain any attribution or share-alike provisions. Conversely, data may be copied from Wikidata without restriction. (OSM is licensed under the Open Database License) On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:27 AM, James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: Note that OSM is likely to be unusable for copyright reasons -- J. On 11/03/2015 11:20, Magnus Manske wrote: Started scraping Wikipedia lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_and_lightvessels Got to Canada: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12UaLKolLl5hbOFP9vztShQsiKkr5A Zo_TbNr-NV9W-U/edit?usp=sharing Continue this (someone help!), or start anew from another source? On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:59 AM Markus Bärlocher markus.baerloc...@lau-net.de wrote: Sorry the tags was wrong... Right is: _in OpenSeaMap_ you can find 40'000 Lights by a query on: seamark:type=light_float seamark:type=light_vessel seamark:type=light_minor seamark:type=light_major seamark:type=light _in WP for Spain_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Liste_von_Leuchttürmen_in_Spanien _in WD for world_ 2135 lights today List: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q= CLAIM[31:39715] Chart: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q= CLAIM[31:39715] best regards, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Am 11.03.2015 um 12:39 schrieb Jo Walsh: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata#Importing_data *Copying data to Wikidata from OSM* (or even from other Wikimedia projects) *is not allowed* because Wikidata uses the public-domain style Creative Commons CC0 license which does not contain any attribution or share-alike provisions. Conversely, data may be copied from Wikidata without restriction. (OSM is licensed under the Open Database License) This applies to any copyrightable material. Facts (this is a lighthouse) are not copyrightable. -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Thanks Daniel for this clear statement: Facts (this is a lighthouse) are not copyrightable. The data about lighthouses was imported from NOAA LoL, which is PD itself :-) Best regards, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
Hi, [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be integrated with Wikidata. The thing that I care the most in any software is internationalization. Having a map in which all labels of towns, streets and everything else is translated to all languages sounds like a super-wonderful thing. Wikidata allows labeling everything, translating everything, and attaching properties to everything, so it sounds like it could be a good match. But then the question of what IS everything came up. Wikidata was created mostly with Wikipedia in mind, so Wikipedia's notability policies influenced Wikidata. Roughly, Wikidata has items for every thing about which there is, or can be, a Wikipedia article and for things that are useful, or if it fulfills some structural need https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability. Towns obviously have or can a Wikipedia article about them, but probably not every street or shop. But do they fulfill a structural need or is it way too much? If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever the current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store labels and translations now, but it sounds like another instance of Wikibase, if not Wikidata itself, can be used for it. I don't have much to add, but I'd love to hear ideas from people who do (again, Aude and Christian Consonni, I'm looking at you :) ). -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
Am 10.03.2015 um 14:31 schrieb Amir E. Aharoni: If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever the current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store labels and translations now, but it sounds like another instance of Wikibase, if not Wikidata itself, can be used for it. A separate Wikibase instance, federated with Wikidata sounds ideal (but the federation bit will need work). Scalability is an issue though. Wikibase is designed to scale to a few hundred million items. I suspect that OSM would need a couple of orders of magnitude more... -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Hi Thad, I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. :-) We have imported the LoL into OSM (40'000 lights), and show them on OpenSeaMap: http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=13lat=54.47933lon=10.27177layers=BFTFFFTFFTF0 It would be great to have a popup in the chart which shows: - Wikipedia-link to the lighthouse - Commons picture of the lighthouse - list of all data about (character, range, sectors, hight, etc. It would be great to have an infobox in Wikipedia, filled with data from Wikidata. It would be fine to find somebody family with Wikidata, who can build the structure :-) and has an idea how to get the databases congruent (OSM and WD). Best regards, Markus PS: 3 Mio Wikipedia articles we have already in the chart: http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=12lat=54.449lon=10.23044layers=BFTFFFTFFTT0 also some lights - but no systematic ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
What about bus stops? Jo 2015-03-10 15:37 GMT+01:00 aude aude.w...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be integrated with Wikidata. The thing that I care the most in any software is internationalization. Having a map in which all labels of towns, streets and everything else is translated to all languages sounds like a super-wonderful thing. Wikidata allows labeling everything, translating everything, and attaching properties to everything, so it sounds like it could be a good match. But then the question of what IS everything came up. Wikidata was created mostly with Wikipedia in mind, so Wikipedia's notability policies influenced Wikidata. Roughly, Wikidata has items for every thing about which there is, or can be, a Wikipedia article and for things that are useful, or if it fulfills some structural need https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability. Towns obviously have or can a Wikipedia article about them, but probably not every street or shop. At minimum, supporting Wikivoyage is within scope of Wikidata, so imho items for shops would be ok. (at least the ones that would be used in Wikivoyage) I am not sure about streets... maybe, it depends and is up to the community (what extent we want them) and scalability (technical and community) might be considerations. As well, in Wikidata, we want references. For the OSM use case, for streets, I think the osm name tags are sufficient. Transliteration of street names definitely makes sense, but maybe can be autogenerated? In some cases multilingual (e.g. in Brussels), actual translations might be desired, and think osm supports that adequately. Katie But do they fulfill a structural need or is it way too much? If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever the current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store labels and translations now, but it sounds like another instance of Wikibase, if not Wikidata itself, can be used for it. I don't have much to add, but I'd love to hear ideas from people who do (again, Aude and Christian Consonni, I'm looking at you :) ). -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be integrated with Wikidata. The thing that I care the most in any software is internationalization. Having a map in which all labels of towns, streets and everything else is translated to all languages sounds like a super-wonderful thing. Wikidata allows labeling everything, translating everything, and attaching properties to everything, so it sounds like it could be a good match. But then the question of what IS everything came up. Wikidata was created mostly with Wikipedia in mind, so Wikipedia's notability policies influenced Wikidata. Roughly, Wikidata has items for every thing about which there is, or can be, a Wikipedia article and for things that are useful, or if it fulfills some structural need https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability. Towns obviously have or can a Wikipedia article about them, but probably not every street or shop. At minimum, supporting Wikivoyage is within scope of Wikidata, so imho items for shops would be ok. (at least the ones that would be used in Wikivoyage) I am not sure about streets... maybe, it depends and is up to the community (what extent we want them) and scalability (technical and community) might be considerations. As well, in Wikidata, we want references. For the OSM use case, for streets, I think the osm name tags are sufficient. Transliteration of street names definitely makes sense, but maybe can be autogenerated? In some cases multilingual (e.g. in Brussels), actual translations might be desired, and think osm supports that adequately. Katie But do they fulfill a structural need or is it way too much? If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever the current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store labels and translations now, but it sounds like another instance of Wikibase, if not Wikidata itself, can be used for it. I don't have much to add, but I'd love to hear ideas from people who do (again, Aude and Christian Consonni, I'm looking at you :) ). -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
Maybe we should ask the question how many translations already are in OpenStreetMap that can be used/added to Wikidata? Romaine 2015-03-10 14:31 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: Hi, [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be integrated with Wikidata. The thing that I care the most in any software is internationalization. Having a map in which all labels of towns, streets and everything else is translated to all languages sounds like a super-wonderful thing. Wikidata allows labeling everything, translating everything, and attaching properties to everything, so it sounds like it could be a good match. But then the question of what IS everything came up. Wikidata was created mostly with Wikipedia in mind, so Wikipedia's notability policies influenced Wikidata. Roughly, Wikidata has items for every thing about which there is, or can be, a Wikipedia article and for things that are useful, or if it fulfills some structural need https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability. Towns obviously have or can a Wikipedia article about them, but probably not every street or shop. But do they fulfill a structural need or is it way too much? If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever the current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store labels and translations now, but it sounds like another instance of Wikibase, if not Wikidata itself, can be used for it. I don't have much to add, but I'd love to hear ideas from people who do (again, Aude and Christian Consonni, I'm looking at you :) ). -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
2015-03-10 17:10 GMT+01:00 Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de: Am 10.03.2015 um 16:54 schrieb Luca Martinelli: 2015-03-10 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: What would this new Wikibase have that OpenStreetMap doesn't already have? The possibility of talking with WMF projects, as Wikidata talks with all the other projects... Only if it's also hosted on the WMF cluster. Or we implement http based federation (planned, but a lot of work, and waaay down there on the prio list). Of course, it was just an idea. BTW, maybe related: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/OSMdata:_a_Wikidata-like_editor_for_OpenStreetMap L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: For example, you can see that Portugal has a lot of lighthouses while Spain has almost none -- maybe we need to look at our data there ;-) Perhaps it's a language confusion issue, but does Spain really have few lighthouses? That would seem VERY unusual for a territory with an extensive coastline. Or am I confusing cyber reality with real reality? Where does Wikidata sit in that mix? How does it compare with DBpedia, Freebase, Wikipedia, or even *real* data sources like official governmental lists of navigational aids for mariners at sea? Independent of where it sits now, what where does it aspire to sit? Tom ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
Hi Amir, 2015-03-10 14:31 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] :-) Luca already posted the link that summarizes my idea about Wikidata and OSM. 2015-03-10 17:38 GMT+01:00 Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/OSMdata:_a_Wikidata-like_editor_for_OpenStreetMap I just want to add a little bit of context to this, and I want to say that this proposal stemmed out of what I saw as one of the major advantages of Wikidata over - say - DBpedia, i.e. the integration with the other Wikimedia projects through Mediawiki. I remember that when Wikidata was launched in Washington one key element behind the idea of using Mediawiki to build a data repository - which to me looked a little crazy (and perhaps a litlle more than just a little) back then, and in part it still does - was that using Mediawiki would have provided the users with the same environment that they were (and are) used to when they edit the projects. Even keeping the same structure of the site was considered a plus. In the same sense I wondered what would happen if we do the same thing with OSM? Would this facilitate the integration of OSM data and Wikipedia data in the same way that Wikidata is facilitating the integration of data among all the WIkimedia projects? I don't know if I have misunderstood or overestimated this unified environment factor, or if this idea was just born out of a period where in Wikimedia Italia we were like Let's use Wikibase everywhere! (we have a project where we are using Wikibase outside of Wikidata: the EAGLE project [1]. it is going very well and we are very happy about it). The next idea was that it should be synchronized with OSM and then I realized that the net effect would be that this system would provid a new editor for OSM data, perhaps more specialized and focused in particular for tags. And that's basically it. C [1] http://www.eagle-network.eu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
I am an avid OpenStreetMap user, and I like the Wikidata project very much. That's why I proposed a OSM tag wikidata=* and I wasn't the only one to think of this[1]. Making a wikidata element for every or some OSM elements is not quite possible, at least for now. OSM objects don't have constant IDs like Wikidata elements do. If you delete a city node, and make a new one with all the same tags, nobody cares. That's why connecting Wikidata and OSM can be made only one way, from OSM to Wikidata. The other direction can be made only with querys like a city within 10km from this coordinate, or a city with this name within borders of a country with this name. A project Permanent ID is trying to do this[2] First use of Wikidata in OpenStreetMap is a 1 to 1 mapping. A town element in Wikidata is a place=town node in OSM. There can be only one in either database. We tag this in OSM with a simple wikidata=Q1435. But then there are more interesting uses, for example artist of this sculpture is Q313828, architect of this building is Q12633257, this street is named after Q9036. I think this is the best marriage of both projects so far. For example in OSM we can see all sculptures made by a specific artist: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/86X It would be great to see this information in Wikipedia. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Wikidata [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/Permanent_ID 2015-03-10 15:37 GMT+01:00 aude aude.w...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be integrated with Wikidata. The thing that I care the most in any software is internationalization. Having a map in which all labels of towns, streets and everything else is translated to all languages sounds like a super-wonderful thing. Wikidata allows labeling everything, translating everything, and attaching properties to everything, so it sounds like it could be a good match. But then the question of what IS everything came up. Wikidata was created mostly with Wikipedia in mind, so Wikipedia's notability policies influenced Wikidata. Roughly, Wikidata has items for every thing about which there is, or can be, a Wikipedia article and for things that are useful, or if it fulfills some structural need https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability. Towns obviously have or can a Wikipedia article about them, but probably not every street or shop. At minimum, supporting Wikivoyage is within scope of Wikidata, so imho items for shops would be ok. (at least the ones that would be used in Wikivoyage) I am not sure about streets... maybe, it depends and is up to the community (what extent we want them) and scalability (technical and community) might be considerations. As well, in Wikidata, we want references. For the OSM use case, for streets, I think the osm name tags are sufficient. Transliteration of street names definitely makes sense, but maybe can be autogenerated? In some cases multilingual (e.g. in Brussels), actual translations might be desired, and think osm supports that adequately. Katie But do they fulfill a structural need or is it way too much? If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever the current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store labels and translations now, but it sounds like another instance of Wikibase, if not Wikidata itself, can be used for it. I don't have much to add, but I'd love to hear ideas from people who do (again, Aude and Christian Consonni, I'm looking at you :) ). -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA. I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to loading them all in. Let me know if I can help. Thad +ThadGuidry https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Markus Bärlocher markus.baerloc...@lau-net.de wrote: It would be fine to have all this together: _OSM_ seamark:type=light* _Wikidata_ https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q44782 _Wikipedia_ https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Liste_(Leuchttürme) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Leuchttürmen _Commons_ commons:Lighthouse category:Lighthouses _Example_ Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roter_Sand Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Leuchtturm_Roter_Sand Wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q220034 Resonator: http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q220034 OSM-DB: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/635484478 OpenSeaMap: http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=13mlat=53.85557mlon=8. 08198mtext=Roter%20Sandlayers=BFTFFFTFFTT0FTFF Best regards, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
2015-03-10 15:08 GMT+01:00 Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de: Am 10.03.2015 um 14:31 schrieb Amir E. Aharoni: If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever the current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store labels and translations now, but it sounds like another instance of Wikibase, if not Wikidata itself, can be used for it. A separate Wikibase instance, federated with Wikidata sounds ideal (but the federation bit will need work). Scalability is an issue though. Wikibase is designed to scale to a few hundred million items. I suspect that OSM would need a couple of orders of magnitude more... A separate Wikibase instance that could serve both OSM and Wikivoyage, maybe? Might be useful for both to keep the data about shops, restaurants, hotels, commercial whatelses and whatnots in the same instance, but keeping it separated by the official Wikidata... -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
On 10 March 2015 at 13:31, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be integrated with Wikidata. I and others have done a lot of work on this already: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikipedia My proposal for a bot to tag items in OSM, with the corresponding Wikidata ID: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing/Wikipedia has stalled, due to OSM-community opposition to automated edits: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-November/071510.html though I hope we shall soon be able to get a trial edit done, to show that a larger set should follow. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
I have been fostering the idea of Wikidata as a historical gazetteer, a place (name) index. Wikidata would be capable of modelling how streets change name or how municipalities are split or merged or link to changing geometries over time etc. Happy to hear this discussed! Susanna 2015-03-10 16:47 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: What about bus stops? Jo 2015-03-10 15:37 GMT+01:00 aude aude.w...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be integrated with Wikidata. The thing that I care the most in any software is internationalization. Having a map in which all labels of towns, streets and everything else is translated to all languages sounds like a super-wonderful thing. Wikidata allows labeling everything, translating everything, and attaching properties to everything, so it sounds like it could be a good match. But then the question of what IS everything came up. Wikidata was created mostly with Wikipedia in mind, so Wikipedia's notability policies influenced Wikidata. Roughly, Wikidata has items for every thing about which there is, or can be, a Wikipedia article and for things that are useful, or if it fulfills some structural need https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability. Towns obviously have or can a Wikipedia article about them, but probably not every street or shop. At minimum, supporting Wikivoyage is within scope of Wikidata, so imho items for shops would be ok. (at least the ones that would be used in Wikivoyage) I am not sure about streets... maybe, it depends and is up to the community (what extent we want them) and scalability (technical and community) might be considerations. As well, in Wikidata, we want references. For the OSM use case, for streets, I think the osm name tags are sufficient. Transliteration of street names definitely makes sense, but maybe can be autogenerated? In some cases multilingual (e.g. in Brussels), actual translations might be desired, and think osm supports that adequately. Katie But do they fulfill a structural need or is it way too much? If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever the current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store labels and translations now, but it sounds like another instance of Wikibase, if not Wikidata itself, can be used for it. I don't have much to add, but I'd love to hear ideas from people who do (again, Aude and Christian Consonni, I'm looking at you :) ). -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- *Susanna Ånäs *Käyttäjä:Susannaanas Wikimedia Suomi http://wikimedia.fi/ – Wikimaps http://wikimaps.wikimedia.fi/ – GLAM http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM @ https://twitter.com/WMFinlandWMFinland https://twitter.com/WMFinland / Facebook https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaSuomi / Liity jäseneksi! http://fi.wikimedia.org/wiki/Liity_j%C3%A4seneksi ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
2015-03-10 16:19 GMT+01:00 Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com: A separate Wikibase instance that could serve both OSM and Wikivoyage, maybe? Might be useful for both to keep the data about shops, restaurants, hotels, commercial whatelses and whatnots in the same instance, but keeping it separated by the official Wikidata... What would this new Wikibase have that OpenStreetMap doesn't already have? ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
On 2015-03-10 16:46, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 10.03.2015 um 16:32 schrieb Yaroslav M. Blanter: Hi Amir, anything which can be remotely considered as a tourist attraction, as well as shops, hotels, reataurants and such are withing the scope of Wikivoyage and thus of Wikidata. For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on Wikidata, and I do not see why any other country could be different - provided we have good sources. I fear doing this is going to kill Wikidata. Neither the software nor the community scales to managing entries for every street in the world. We have an ambition to have a separate entry for every species of insects, and the number of insect species is comparable to the number of streets. (I personally would not add streets, but if there is a good database under an appropriate license, and an enthusiastic bot owner - why not?) Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
On 2015-03-10 20:47, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 10 March 2015 at 15:32, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on Wikidata Approved by whom? I foresee the majority of those being deleted as non- notable. By me as a crat. In the future, if you want your opinion on bot tasks to be taken into account, please comment on bot permission requests. I usually let them pend for several days, which obviously can be extended if there are constructive comments. Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
If this is considered notable, I'd consider doing this for all streets in the Brussels region. I would add wikidata tags to all OSM objects involved (highway ways and associatedStreet relations) at the same time though. So if they'd get deleted once again on Wikidata, that would be quite a useless endeavour... and a lot of junk would remain behind in OSM. In fact, I hadn't realised wikidata items were prone to deletion once again. I thought of them as stable 'entities'. Jo 2015-03-10 20:47 GMT+01:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: On 10 March 2015 at 15:32, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on Wikidata Approved by whom? I foresee the majority of those being deleted as non- notable. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
Think... BIGGER. Jo has the right idea... Linked Data. It sounds to me like the right way forward for domain specific interest data (like OSM) ...is, Instead of 1 source of data (Wikidata)...and throwing domain specific interest data into Wikidata (not all data needs to live inside it). Just use 1 source of data, i.e. Linked Data. Wikidata does not have to be the 1 sole source... and besides, I am sure that eventually someone could just allow federated queries / joins to Linked Data. Perhaps Wikidata can try to be and eventually help build... the 1 sole QUERY source for Linked Data. :) (Select OSM_ROADS contained_in Ardennes) Thad +ThadGuidry https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
On 10 March 2015 at 15:32, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on Wikidata Approved by whom? I foresee the majority of those being deleted as non- notable. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
On 10 March 2015 at 20:20, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 2015-03-10 20:47, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 10 March 2015 at 15:32, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on Wikidata Approved by whom? I foresee the majority of those being deleted as non- notable. By me as a crat. You mean this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/RobotMichiel1972_2 which was approved after two days, and with only comments - not a !vote of support - from just one editor other than the proposer? That's not much discussion, much less evidence of consensus for a 240,000-item import and a precedent for several magnitudes more than that. In the future, if you want your opinion on bot tasks to be taken into account, please comment on bot permission requests. I usually let them pend for several days, which obviously can be extended if there are constructive comments. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
On 2015-03-10 22:51, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 10 March 2015 at 20:20, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 2015-03-10 20:47, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 10 March 2015 at 15:32, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on Wikidata Approved by whom? I foresee the majority of those being deleted as non- notable. By me as a crat. You mean this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/RobotMichiel1972_2 which was approved after two days, and with only comments - not a !vote of support - from just one editor other than the proposer? That's not much discussion, much less evidence of consensus for a 240,000-item import and a precedent for several magnitudes more than that. Yes, this was the request. I am approving (or not approving) virtually all bots (with a very few exceptions), and this is how it works. Everybody who is interested in the requests should add the permission page in their watchlist, and comment on bot requests. Btw for this particular request Michiel first opened a topic on tghe Project Chat, and I advised him to file the request. Project Chat topic did not raise any objections either. Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
