Re: [Wikidata-l] Phase 1

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jan Kučera  wrote:
> How is the Hungarian pilot running? When will you deploy Phase 1 to other
> wikis?

Hi Jan,

Things seem fine on the Hungarian Wikipedia except for a few
hickups/bugs and missing things that are being worked on now. Maybe
some of the people from the Hungrian Wikipedia who are on this list
want to chime in as well.
The planned date for the next deployment (on the Italian and Hebrew
Wikipedias) is 30th of this month.


Cheers
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Phase 1

[Amir Ladsgroup]

What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?
And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Lydia Pintscher <
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jan Kučera  wrote:
> > How is the Hungarian pilot running? When will you deploy Phase 1 to other
> > wikis?
>
> Hi Jan,
>
> Things seem fine on the Hungarian Wikipedia except for a few
> hickups/bugs and missing things that are being worked on now. Maybe
> some of the people from the Hungrian Wikipedia who are on this list
> want to chime in as well.
> The planned date for the next deployment (on the Italian and Hebrew
> Wikipedias) is 30th of this month.
>
>
> Cheers
> Lydia
>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Phase 1

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Amir Ladsgroup  wrote:
> What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?

We can't give a definite time unfortunately. Previous deployments were
done in the late evening UTC. If everything goes as planned it'll be
similar again.

> And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?

That's really up to the individual community. You could do it at some
point on Wednesday but you could also wait and do it a few days later
(which would probably mean some of them will put links back that an
editor removed already).


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Re: [Wikidata-l] Phase 1

[Bináris]

2013/1/28 Amir Ladsgroup 

> What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?
>
If you want to catch it, join #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC. It was great to
follow it on D-day!


> And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?
>
Xqt can modify the code, but pywiki is not deployed, it is updated by bot
owners, so there is no chance to focus it on one hour. For this reason I
would say to begin it after deployment of Wikibase as otherwise one should
do it at least 1 or 2 days before which would cause a maintenance pause.
Yes, people will try to remove iws and some of them will be put back by
bots.


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Re: [Wikidata-l] Phase 1

[Marco Fleckinger]

"Bináris"  schrieb:

>2013/1/28 Amir Ladsgroup 
>
>> What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?
>>
>If you want to catch it, join #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC. It was great
>to
>follow it on D-day!
>
>
>> And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?
>>
>Xqt can modify the code, but pywiki is not deployed, it is updated by
>bot
>owners, so there is no chance to focus it on one hour. For this reason
>I
>would say to begin it after deployment of Wikibase as otherwise one
>should
>do it at least 1 or 2 days before which would cause a maintenance
>pause.
>Yes, people will try to remove iws and some of them will be put back by
>bots.

Would it also make sense to write a bot putting the remaining iws to wikidata 
and rmoving them from the wiki if they can be replaced by them from wikidata?

Marco


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Re: [Wikidata-l] Phase 1

[Magnus Manske]

Why not just block the bots on wikis that use wikidata?


On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Bináris  wrote:

>
>
> 2013/1/28 Amir Ladsgroup 
>
>> What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?
>>
> If you want to catch it, join #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC. It was great to
> follow it on D-day!
>
>
>> And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?
>>
> Xqt can modify the code, but pywiki is not deployed, it is updated by bot
> owners, so there is no chance to focus it on one hour. For this reason I
> would say to begin it after deployment of Wikibase as otherwise one should
> do it at least 1 or 2 days before which would cause a maintenance pause.
> Yes, people will try to remove iws and some of them will be put back by
> bots.
>
>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Phase 1

[Nikola Smolenski]

On 29/01/13 10:02, Magnus Manske wrote:

Why not just block the bots on wikis that use wikidata?


Bots are used for much more than interwiki handling.


On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Bináris mailto:wikipo...@gmail.com>> wrote:



2013/1/28 Amir Ladsgroup mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com>>

What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?

If you want to catch it, join #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC. It was
great to follow it on D-day!

And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?

Xqt can modify the code, but pywiki is not deployed, it is updated
by bot owners, so there is no chance to focus it on one hour. For
this reason I would say to begin it after deployment of Wikibase as
otherwise one should do it at least 1 or 2 days before which would
cause a maintenance pause. Yes, people will try to remove iws and
some of them will be put back by bots.


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Re: [Wikidata-l] Phase 1

[Magnus Manske]

So are the same bots doing different things? I seem to remember there was
one giant toolserver pybot instance doing only interwiki.


On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Nikola Smolenski  wrote:

> On 29/01/13 10:02, Magnus Manske wrote:
>
>> Why not just block the bots on wikis that use wikidata?
>>
>
> Bots are used for much more than interwiki handling.
>
>  On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Bináris > > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/1/28 Amir Ladsgroup > >
>>
>>
>> What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?
>>
>> If you want to catch it, join #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC. It was
>> great to follow it on D-day!
>>
>> And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?
>>
>> Xqt can modify the code, but pywiki is not deployed, it is updated
>> by bot owners, so there is no chance to focus it on one hour. For
>> this reason I would say to begin it after deployment of Wikibase as
>> otherwise one should do it at least 1 or 2 days before which would
>> cause a maintenance pause. Yes, people will try to remove iws and
>> some of them will be put back by bots.
>>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Phase 1

[Marco Fleckinger]

AFAIK there are many iw-bots and several others.

I don't think that there are iw-bots doing anything else as well. It would not 
be very useful now. But acually I don't know it. If yes, blocking those 
specific ones might be a good idea.

Marco

Magnus Manske  schrieb:

>So are the same bots doing different things? I seem to remember there
>was
>one giant toolserver pybot instance doing only interwiki.
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Nikola Smolenski 
>wrote:
>
>> On 29/01/13 10:02, Magnus Manske wrote:
>>
>>> Why not just block the bots on wikis that use wikidata?
>>>
>>
>> Bots are used for much more than interwiki handling.
>>
>>  On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Bináris >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/1/28 Amir Ladsgroup >> >
>>>
>>>
>>> What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?
>>>
>>> If you want to catch it, join #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC. It was
>>> great to follow it on D-day!
>>>
>>> And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?
>>>
>>> Xqt can modify the code, but pywiki is not deployed, it is
>updated
>>> by bot owners, so there is no chance to focus it on one hour.
>For
>>> this reason I would say to begin it after deployment of Wikibase
>as
>>> otherwise one should do it at least 1 or 2 days before which
>would
>>> cause a maintenance pause. Yes, people will try to remove iws
>and
>>> some of them will be put back by bots.
>>>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Phase 1

[Nikola Smolenski]

On 29/01/13 10:28, Magnus Manske wrote:

So are the same bots doing different things? I seem to remember there
was one giant toolserver pybot instance doing only interwiki.


OTOH, yes, I believe there are bots doing only interwikis that could 
probably be blocked. But isn't anyone from Hungarian Wikipedia here to 
tell us how the test is going and what the community wants to do now?



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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Luca Martinelli]

Yeah! Keep going!
Il giorno 13/feb/2013 22:02, "Lydia Pintscher" 
ha scritto:

> Heya :)
>
> Third time's a charm, right? We're live on the English Wikipedia with
> phase 1 now  \o/
> Details are in this blog post:
> http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-english-wikipedia
> An FAQ is being worked on at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_Questions
> Thanks everyone who helped!
>
>
> Cheers
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Marco Fleckinger]

Many congratulations!

Cheers,

Marco



Lydia Pintscher  schrieb:

>Heya :)
>
>Third time's a charm, right? We're live on the English Wikipedia with
>phase 1 now  \o/
>Details are in this blog post:
>http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-english-wikipedia
>An FAQ is being worked on at
>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_Questions
>Thanks everyone who helped!
>
>
>Cheers
>Lydia
>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Katie Chan]

On 13/02/2013 21:01, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

Heya :)

Third time's a charm, right? We're live on the English Wikipedia with
phase 1 now  \o/
Details are in this blog post:
http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-english-wikipedia
An FAQ is being worked on at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_Questions
Thanks everyone who helped!


:)

Now if only those interwiki bots would stop adding links back...

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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Denny Vrandečić]

Block them until they behave?


2013/2/13 Katie Chan 

> On 13/02/2013 21:01, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
>
>> Heya :)
>>
>> Third time's a charm, right? We're live on the English Wikipedia with
>> phase 1 now  \o/
>> Details are in this blog post:
>> http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/**02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-**
>> english-wikipedia
>> An FAQ is being worked on at
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_**Questions
>> Thanks everyone who helped!
>>
>
> :)
>
> Now if only those interwiki bots would stop adding links back...
>
> KTC
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Denny Vrandečić]

You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far).


2013/2/13 Denny Vrandečić 

> Block them until they behave?
>
>
> 2013/2/13 Katie Chan 
>
>> On 13/02/2013 21:01, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
>>
>>> Heya :)
>>>
>>> Third time's a charm, right? We're live on the English Wikipedia with
>>> phase 1 now  \o/
>>> Details are in this blog post:
>>> http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/**02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-**
>>> english-wikipedia
>>> An FAQ is being worked on at
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_**Questions
>>> Thanks everyone who helped!
>>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Now if only those interwiki bots would stop adding links back...
>>
>> KTC
>>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Katie Chan]

On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:

You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far).


Just once so far - 



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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Amir Ladsgroup]

I did this:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073
so updated bots are not a concern anymore :)
BTW:congrats.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan  wrote:

> On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:
>
>> You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far).
>>
>
> Just once so far -  conclave,_2013&diff=prev&**oldid=538105382
> >
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Yuri Astrakhan]

We really ought to change it to dynamic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase
(thanks duh)

If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to
the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make
sure it hasn't changed.

The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so
there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be
aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots
of heuristical changes.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:

> I did this:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073
> so updated bots are not a concern anymore :)
> BTW:congrats.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan  wrote:
>
>> On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:
>>
>>> You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far).
>>>
>>
>> Just once so far - > conclave,_2013&diff=prev&**oldid=538105382
>> >
>>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Amir Ladsgroup]

That's a very interesting idea when i check this:
http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase
we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there
is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good
idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it
but not now

Best


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:

> We really ought to change it to dynamic:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase
> (thanks duh)
>
> If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to
> the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make
> sure it hasn't changed.
>
> The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so
> there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be
> aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots
> of heuristical changes.
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:
>
>> I did this:
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073
>> so updated bots are not a concern anymore :)
>> BTW:congrats.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan  wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:
>>>
 You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far).

>>>
>>> Just once so far - >> *conclave,_2013&diff=prev&**oldid=538105382
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Yuri Astrakhan]

I guess it only makes sense if the deployment will be few languages at a
time. If at some point you will start switching them in bulk, it might make
sense not to do it.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup  wrote:

> That's a very interesting idea when i check this:
> http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase
> we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there
> is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good
> idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it
> but not now
>
> Best
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan 
> wrote:
>
>> We really ought to change it to dynamic:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase
>> (thanks duh)
>>
>> If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to
>> the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make
>> sure it hasn't changed.
>>
>> The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so
>> there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be
>> aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots
>> of heuristical changes.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:
>>
>>> I did this:
>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073
>>> so updated bots are not a concern anymore :)
>>> BTW:congrats.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan  wrote:
>>>
 On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:

> You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far).
>

 Just once so far - 
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Yuri Astrakhan
 wrote:
> I guess it only makes sense if the deployment will be few languages at a
> time. If at some point you will start switching them in bulk, it might make
> sense not to do it.

The current plan is to do all the remaining ones in one go.


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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Amir Ladsgroup]

When?


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Lydia Pintscher <
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Yuri Astrakhan
>  wrote:
> > I guess it only makes sense if the deployment will be few languages at a
> > time. If at some point you will start switching them in bulk, it might
> make
> > sense not to do it.
>
> The current plan is to do all the remaining ones in one go.
>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Amir Ladsgroup  wrote:
> When?

It was planned for the 27th but it looks like we will have to move it
a few days because of a meeting at the WMF offices. I'll let you know
as soon as I know more.


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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Amir E. Aharoni]

I prefer to make the API call and not to check by a list of languages.

Several reasons:
1. It's more robust in general.
2. Wikibase extension, as well as pywikipedia, can be used on other wikis, too.
3. There are dark corners in Wikimedia wikis - non-standard codes,
redirects, locked wikis, non-language wikis (Commons, Outreach etc.)
It's possible that these are out of the bots' scope, but checking the
API will still make it more robust.

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2013/2/14 Amir Ladsgroup :
> That's a very interesting idea when i check this:
> http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase
> we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there
> is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good idea
> right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but not
> now
>
> Best
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan 
> wrote:
>>
>> We really ought to change it to dynamic:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase
>> (thanks duh)
>>
>> If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to
>> the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make
>> sure it hasn't changed.
>>
>> The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so
>> there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be
>> aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots
>> of heuristical changes.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I did this:
>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073
>>> so updated bots are not a concern anymore :)
>>> BTW:congrats.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan  wrote:

 On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:
>
> You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far).


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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Yuri Astrakhan]

Makes sense, just make sure the call does not  query all 270 languages at
once, but on the need to know basis.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

> I prefer to make the API call and not to check by a list of languages.
>
> Several reasons:
> 1. It's more robust in general.
> 2. Wikibase extension, as well as pywikipedia, can be used on other wikis,
> too.
> 3. There are dark corners in Wikimedia wikis - non-standard codes,
> redirects, locked wikis, non-language wikis (Commons, Outreach etc.)
> It's possible that these are out of the bots' scope, but checking the
> API will still make it more robust.
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> 2013/2/14 Amir Ladsgroup :
> > That's a very interesting idea when i check this:
> > http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase
> > we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think
> there
> > is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good
> idea
> > right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but
> not
> > now
> >
> > Best
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> We really ought to change it to dynamic:
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase
> >> (thanks duh)
> >>
> >> If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update
> to
> >> the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to
> make
> >> sure it hasn't changed.
> >>
> >> The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked,
> so
> >> there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should
> be
> >> aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc.
> Lots
> >> of heuristical changes.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I did this:
> >>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073
> >>> so updated bots are not a concern anymore :)
> >>> BTW:congrats.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan  wrote:
> 
>  On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:
> >
> > You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far).
> 
> 
>  Just once so far -
>  <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013&diff=prev&oldid=538105382
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Marco Fleckinger]

Actually when wikidata is running on all wikis we only have to remove 
the iw-links inside all articles of the same wikidata item. The bots 
will not have any base for adding the links again and wont do it anymore.


Cheers

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On 02/14/2013 11:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:

That's a very interesting idea when i check this:
http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase

we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think
there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very
good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work
on it but not now

Best


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan mailto:yuriastrak...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We really ought to change it to dynamic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase

(thanks duh)

If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no
update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued
every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed.

The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly
reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this
to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is
not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup
mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I did this:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073
so updated bots are not a concern anymore :)
BTW:congrats.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan mailto:k...@ktchan.info>> wrote:

On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:

You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits
(so far).


Just once so far -

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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Yuri Astrakhan]

We really ought to communicate with the bot owners to significantly modify
their bots. It might even make sense to stop them all together until they
can be re-designed to take wikidata into account. I could post a comment on
most boards to ask IW bots to stop (and to notify the local communities
that they should monitor IW bots changes and halt them).


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Marco Fleckinger <
marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at> wrote:

> Actually when wikidata is running on all wikis we only have to remove the
> iw-links inside all articles of the same wikidata item. The bots will not
> have any base for adding the links again and wont do it anymore.
>
> Cheers
>
> Marco
>
>
> On 02/14/2013 11:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:
>
>> That's a very interesting idea when i check this:
>> http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.**php?action=query&meta=wikibase
>> 
>> >
>> we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think
>> there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very
>> good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work
>> on it but not now
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan > > wrote:
>>
>> We really ought to change it to dynamic:
>>
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=query&meta=**wikibase
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> (thanks duh)
>>
>> If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no
>> update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued
>> every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed.
>>
>> The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly
>> reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this
>> to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is
>> not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup
>> mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I did this:
>> 
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/**11073
>> so updated bots are not a concern anymore :)
>> BTW:congrats.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan > > wrote:
>>
>> On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:
>>
>> You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits
>> (so far).
>>
>>
>> Just once so far -
>> > conclave,_2013&diff=prev&__**oldid=538105382
>>
>> > conclave,_2013&diff=prev&**oldid=538105382
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Marco Fleckinger]

What about a bot to observe bot changes periodically and checking those 
for unwanted interwiki-operations?


On 02/14/2013 11:57 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:

We really ought to communicate with the bot owners to significantly
modify their bots. It might even make sense to stop them all together
until they can be re-designed to take wikidata into account. I could
post a comment on most boards to ask IW bots to stop (and to notify the
local communities that they should monitor IW bots changes and halt them).


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Marco Fleckinger
mailto:marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at>>
wrote:

Actually when wikidata is running on all wikis we only have to
remove the iw-links inside all articles of the same wikidata item.
The bots will not have any base for adding the links again and wont
do it anymore.

Cheers

Marco


On 02/14/2013 11:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:

That's a very interesting idea when i check this:
http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.__php?action=query&meta=wikibase

>
we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think
there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think
it's very
good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so
I'll work
on it but not now

Best


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan
mailto:yuriastrak...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

 We really ought to change it to dynamic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__api.php?action=query&meta=__wikibase 

>
 (thanks duh)

 If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no
 update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be
re-issued
 every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed.

 The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly
 reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes
like this
 to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data
unless it is
 not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes.

 On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup
mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

 I did this:
https://www.mediawiki.org/__wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/__11073 

 so updated bots are not a concern anymore :)
 BTW:congrats.


 On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan
mailto:k...@ktchan.info>
>> wrote:

 On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:

 You have examples of that? Did not happen to my
edits
 (so far).


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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Yuri Astrakhan]

I think it might take some time to rewrite and test the new interwiki bot.
If the bot operators simply download the latest version, they will continue
running the old one until its fixed. If we plan to deploy wikidata to all
sites soon, there is really no point in running IW bots any more until
their logic is substantially changed.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Marco Fleckinger <
marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at> wrote:

> What about a bot to observe bot changes periodically and checking those
> for unwanted interwiki-operations?
>
>
> On 02/14/2013 11:57 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
>
>> We really ought to communicate with the bot owners to significantly
>> modify their bots. It might even make sense to stop them all together
>> until they can be re-designed to take wikidata into account. I could
>> post a comment on most boards to ask IW bots to stop (and to notify the
>> local communities that they should monitor IW bots changes and halt them).
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Marco Fleckinger
>> > > >>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Actually when wikidata is running on all wikis we only have to
>> remove the iw-links inside all articles of the same wikidata item.
>> The bots will not have any base for adding the links again and wont
>> do it anymore.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Marco
>>
>>
>> On 02/14/2013 11:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:
>>
>> That's a very interesting idea when i check this:
>> http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.**__php?action=query&meta=**
>> wikibase 
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > wikibase<
>> http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=query&meta=**wikibase
>> >>
>>
>> we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i
>> think
>> there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think
>> it's very
>> good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so
>> I'll work
>> on it but not now
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan
>> > > >
>> >
>> >>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  We really ought to change it to dynamic:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__**api.php?action=query&meta=__**
>> wikibase<
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=query&meta=**wikibase
>> >
>> > wikibase
>>
>> > wikibase 
>> >>
>>  (thanks duh)
>>
>>  If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way
>> no
>>  update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be
>> re-issued
>>  every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed.
>>
>>  The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly
>>  reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes
>> like this
>>  to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data
>> unless it is
>>  not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes.
>>
>>  On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup
>> mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>>  I did this:
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/__**wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/**
>> __11073<
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/**11073
>> >
>>
>>  so updated bots are not a concern anymore :)
>>  BTW:congrats.
>>
>>
>>  On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan
>> mailto:k...@ktchan.info>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>>  On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:
>>
>>  You have examples of that? Did not happen to my
>> edits
>>  (so far).
>>
>>
>>  Just once so far -
>> 

Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Yaroslav M. Blanter]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:14:19 -0500, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:

I think it might take some time to rewrite and test the new interwiki
bot. If the bot operators simply download the latest version, they
will continue running the old one until its fixed. If we plan to
deploy wikidata to all sites soon, there is really no point in 
running

IW bots any more until their logic is substantially changed.



Note that we will still need "traditional" IW bots on non-Wikipedia 
projects for the foreseeable future.


Cheers
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Yuri Astrakhan
 wrote:
> We really ought to communicate with the bot owners to significantly modify
> their bots. It might even make sense to stop them all together until they
> can be re-designed to take wikidata into account. I could post a comment on
> most boards to ask IW bots to stop (and to notify the local communities that
> they should monitor IW bots changes and halt them).

Bot owners on en:wp have been notified. I'm happy to work with you on
a message to more of them. Let's do that off-list to keep the traffic
down if you want.


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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Lydia Pintscher
 wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Amir Ladsgroup  wrote:
>> When?
>
> It was planned for the 27th but it looks like we will have to move it
> a few days because of a meeting at the WMF offices. I'll let you know
> as soon as I know more.

Latest update: planned for March 6th. I'll prepare a message to the
village pumps of affected projects next.


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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on all remaining Wikipedias now and update to wikidata.org

[Marco Fleckinger]

Contratulations!

Cheers,

Marco

On 03/06/2013 11:49 PM, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

Heya :)

We've just finished the deployment of phase 1 on all 282 remaining
Wikipedia. Woho! Blog post for that is here
http://blog.wikimedia.de/?p=14333

We have also deployed new code here including a lot of bugfixes,
localization updates and a new data type: string. It is supposed to
mainly be used for things like ISBN and similar identifiers.
Some of the other bugfixes/changes you might care about:
* improved diff view
* fixed issue with ZWNJ (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45111)
* improved the item view to better handle deleted properties

Please let me know if there are any questions or problems.


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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on all remaining Wikipedias now and update to wikidata.org

[Bináris]

Nice work. :-)
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on all remaining Wikipedias now and update to wikidata.org

[Magnus Manske]

Congratulations!!!


On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Lydia Pintscher <
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> Heya :)
>
> We've just finished the deployment of phase 1 on all 282 remaining
> Wikipedia. Woho! Blog post for that is here
> http://blog.wikimedia.de/?p=14333
>
> We have also deployed new code here including a lot of bugfixes,
> localization updates and a new data type: string. It is supposed to
> mainly be used for things like ISBN and similar identifiers.
> Some of the other bugfixes/changes you might care about:
> * improved diff view
> * fixed issue with ZWNJ (
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45111)
> * improved the item view to better handle deleted properties
>
> Please let me know if there are any questions or problems.
>
>
> Cheers
> Lydia
>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on all remaining Wikipedias now and update to wikidata.org

[Jan Dudík]

Nice work,
but there are still no suitable pywikipedia bots (and I reminded it
again from november), so new articles from last month are not on
wikidata (bots werent able to add them nor to en.wiki) and some people
are complaining about it

JAnD

2013/3/7 Magnus Manske :
> Congratulations!!!
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Lydia Pintscher
>  wrote:
>>
>> Heya :)
>>
>> We've just finished the deployment of phase 1 on all 282 remaining
>> Wikipedia. Woho! Blog post for that is here
>> http://blog.wikimedia.de/?p=14333
>>
>> We have also deployed new code here including a lot of bugfixes,
>> localization updates and a new data type: string. It is supposed to
>> mainly be used for things like ISBN and similar identifiers.
>> Some of the other bugfixes/changes you might care about:
>> * improved diff view
>> * fixed issue with ZWNJ
>> (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45111)
>> * improved the item view to better handle deleted properties
>>
>> Please let me know if there are any questions or problems.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lydia
>>
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>>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on all remaining Wikipedias now and update to wikidata.org

[Amir Ladsgroup]

@JAnD
We had a similar problem but the problem is solved in Persian Wikipedia,
One of my friends (reza) wrote a code to add iw from new pages of Persian
Wikipedia to Wikidata. I can share you the code if you want to

Or Maybe I can make the code a general code (It's a very hard-coded code)
for almost every language and I run it on all of wikis


On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Jan Dudík  wrote:

> Nice work,
> but there are still no suitable pywikipedia bots (and I reminded it
> again from november), so new articles from last month are not on
> wikidata (bots werent able to add them nor to en.wiki) and some people
> are complaining about it
>
> JAnD
>
> 2013/3/7 Magnus Manske :
> > Congratulations!!!
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Lydia Pintscher
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Heya :)
> >>
> >> We've just finished the deployment of phase 1 on all 282 remaining
> >> Wikipedia. Woho! Blog post for that is here
> >> http://blog.wikimedia.de/?p=14333
> >>
> >> We have also deployed new code here including a lot of bugfixes,
> >> localization updates and a new data type: string. It is supposed to
> >> mainly be used for things like ISBN and similar identifiers.
> >> Some of the other bugfixes/changes you might care about:
> >> * improved diff view
> >> * fixed issue with ZWNJ
> >> (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45111)
> >> * improved the item view to better handle deleted properties
> >>
> >> Please let me know if there are any questions or problems.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Lydia
> >>
> >> --
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