[WikiEN-l] enwiki makes mainstream blogosphere
[[Iain Dale]]'s Diary, generally considered one of the most influential UK political blogs[1], has picked up on the story of the resignation of a member of enwiki's ArbCom: http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2009/05/look-whos-been-naughty-boy.html [1] http://www.wikio.co.uk/blogs/top/politics ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Intellipedia
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: From: Fred Bauder Why Wikipedia and Intellipedia (CIA's version of Wikipedia) can add Value for Information User http://www.birdsonginfo.com/blog/2009/05/in-addition-to-analysis-we-need-people-who-can-create-an--ecosystem-of-knowledge-that-is-not-specifically-about-answering.html Fred Bauder From our article: Intellipedia. It's been written up. It's the Wikipedia on a classified network, with one very important difference: it's not anonymous. We want people to establish a reputation. If you're really good, we want people to know you're good. If you're making contributions, we want that known. If you're an idiot, we want that known too. - Corollary 1: On Wikipedia you can hide that you're an idiot. That's an oxymoron. If it were true that one could hide one's idiocy, no sock-puppet would ever be caught. Ec ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Intellipedia
Fred Bauder wrote: Why Wikipedia and Intellipedia (CIA's version of Wikipedia) can add Value for Information Users http://www.birdsonginfo.com/blog/2009/05/in-addition-to-analysis-we-need-people-who-can-create-an--ecosystem-of-knowledge-that-is-not-specifically-about-answering.html Fred Bauder I've always had an eye for Freudian typos. Thus: Prion to Intellipedia the analytical report was the primary method for combining information and intelligence. Analytical reports are thus the infectious proteinaceous bits that leave the intelligence community susceptible to mad-cow disease. Ec ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Docs look to Wikipedia for condition info: Manhattan Research
2009/5/26 Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net: This is another example of being overly literal and avoiding common sense. I'm not interested in the prejudices you acquired by the age of ten. Obviously, when I say Wikipedia should avoid harm, I don't mean it should avoid *any harm whatsoever*. Then don't say that. Rather, it means that we need to think about how much harm something can do and not cause harm that is exceptionally acute when the benefit to the encyclopedia is relatively small. How do you figure this out? Well, you have to think--there's no rule for it. Anything that doesn't present a significant chance of destroying the species cannot be considered exceptionally acute given how many things there are around that do carry that risk. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [WIKIEN-l] It's probably nothing, but ...
I got the same message yesterday from a [[User:The One Only Fools and Horses]], which doesn't appear to be blocked yet. Was I the only one that received it? Also, this seems to be a (somewhat?) legitimate account...sort of. A different user, [[User:El-Pabloski]], is attempting to take over this name by simply moving his user page to the new name's location. Does this mean whoever actually had the account was the one that sent the email, and not Pabloski? I'll leave this to people more technically capable than myself to solve the mystery. - GlassCobra ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Intellipedia
Ray Saintonge wrote: Fred Bauder wrote: Why Wikipedia and Intellipedia (CIA's version of Wikipedia) can add Value for Information Users http://www.birdsonginfo.com/blog/2009/05/in-addition-to-analysis-we-need-people-who-can-create-an--ecosystem-of-knowledge-that-is-not-specifically-about-answering.html Fred Bauder I've always had an eye for Freudian typos. Thus: Prion to Intellipedia the analytical report was the primary method for combining information and intelligence. Analytical reports are thus the infectious proteinaceous bits that leave the intelligence community susceptible to mad-cow disease. The CIA guy talking about Intellipedia at Wikimania 2008 had a less dramatic, more credible kind of example of how the wiki editing churned: some editor would grab text off some intranet web page, only to be told you shouldn't have done that, we were going to update it but hadn't got round to it yet. I certainly find the wikifying/copy editing phase of adapting old text to place in WP the most stringent form of critical fact-checking I do. But for Intellipedia what seems to go on is that they build articles that are still for background, and link to live WP pages also (rather than importing), so forming a layer between us and the actual hard intelligence. Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Intellipedia
2009/5/27 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: But for Intellipedia what seems to go on is that they build articles that are still for background, and link to live WP pages also (rather than importing), so forming a layer between us and the actual hard intelligence. Charles Linking to wikipedia pages would be kinda risky. One leak of what CIA IPs are and we can then use server logs to track what the CIA and simular are interested in. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Intellipedia
geni wrote: 2009/5/27 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: But for Intellipedia what seems to go on is that they build articles that are still for background, and link to live WP pages also (rather than importing), so forming a layer between us and the actual hard intelligence. Charles Linking to wikipedia pages would be kinda risky. One leak of what CIA IPs are and we can then use server logs to track what the CIA and simular are interested in. Not risky, again, available resources report that the CIA is not the only user of the product. :) Best, Jon ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Intellipedia
On 27/05/2009, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Linking to wikipedia pages would be kinda risky. One leak of what CIA IPs are and we can then use server logs to track what the CIA and simular are interested in. If they're bothered about it they could maintain their own copy of the wikipedia. -- geni -- -Ian Woollard All the world's a stage... but you'll grow out of it eventually. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Intellipedia
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:36 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Linking to wikipedia pages would be kinda risky. One leak of what CIA IPs are and we can then use server logs to track what the CIA and simular are interested in. The IP addresses used by the CIA are not secret. $ whois 198.81.129.100 ANS Communications, Inc BLK198-15-ANS (NET-198-80-0-0-1) 198.80.0.0 - 198.81.255.255 Central Intelligence Agency OIT-BLK1 (NET-198-81-128-0-1) 198.81.128.0 - 198.81.191.255 # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2009-05-26 19:10 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. 11.0.0.0/8 is allocated to DoD Intel Information Systems. Defense Information Systems Agency is assigned 22.0.0.0/8, 26.0.0.0/8, 29.0.0.0/8, and 30.0.0.0/8. DoD Network Information Center gets 55.0.0.0/8. The CIA assuredly has a variety of ranges assigned to it through various levels of registrars that anyone with a whois database could look up. Even if they tried to keep them secret, they'd be figured out sooner or later by anyone who cared, if they remained static. Get access to one router near a known CIA installation and watch the traffic. If the CIA cares about this, they presumably don't permit outgoing traffic to the public web without some layers of indirection. If you're already allowing your employees free access to the unencrypted public web, letting them link to Wikipedia is not going to worsen matters. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Intellipedia
2009/5/27 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:36 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Linking to wikipedia pages would be kinda risky. One leak of what CIA IPs are and we can then use server logs to track what the CIA and simular are interested in. The IP addresses used by the CIA are not secret. No some of them are not secret. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Intellipedia
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:36 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Linking to wikipedia pages would be kinda risky. One leak of what CIA IPs are and we can then use server logs to track what the CIA and simular are interested in. The IP addresses used by the CIA are not secret. It would, nevertheless, be an abuse of checkuser to run those searches, without cause. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Intellipedia
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:36 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Linking to wikipedia pages would be kinda risky. One leak of what CIA IPs are and we can then use server logs to track what the CIA and simular are interested in. The IP addresses used by the CIA are not secret. It would, nevertheless, be an abuse of checkuser to run those searches, without cause. Maybe all the checkusers have been served National Security Letters (or double-secret International Security Letters) and are themselves under surveillance. Any checkusers who are under gag orders from the US intelligence community, just say nothing to acknowledge it. -Sage ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Intellipedia
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:36 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Linking to wikipedia pages would be kinda risky. One leak of what CIA IPs are and we can then use server logs to track what the CIA and simular are interested in. The IP addresses used by the CIA are not secret. It would, nevertheless, be an abuse of checkuser to run those searches, without cause. Maybe all the checkusers have been served National Security Letters (or double-secret International Security Letters) and are themselves under surveillance. Any checkusers who are under gag orders from the US intelligence community, just say nothing to acknowledge it. -Sage If someone there starts engaging in juvenile vandalism and creates a lot of socks, we'll check the hell out of them and put a range block on them, just like we would on an elementary school. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Intellipedia
2009/5/27 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:36 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Linking to wikipedia pages would be kinda risky. One leak of what CIA IPs are and we can then use server logs to track what the CIA and simular are interested in. The IP addresses used by the CIA are not secret. It would, nevertheless, be an abuse of checkuser to run those searches, without cause. Fred Edits aren't the issue. The reason I think it is unlikely that their links are truly external is well consider the following. Suppose a developer pulled up the server logs for today and found a bunch of CIA IPs looking at North Korean related articles. Wouldn't mean much since with the nuclear test we would expect the CIA to have a heightened interest in that subject right now. Now suppose they found a bunch of views of Mauritania and related. That would be an information leak. Now sure the CIA will have access to IPs registered through front companies and the like (the web is too useful to cut yourself off from completely) but there is always a risk of those being compromised so I would again expect them to have an internal copy of wikipedia at least as a first port of call. On the separate issue of trying to get CIA code there is still the question of how certain are you that you can beat a CIA attempt to insert an obfuscated back door? -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Docs look to Wikipedia for condition info: Manhattan Research
On Wed, 27 May 2009, geni wrote: This is another example of being overly literal and avoiding common sense. I'm not interested in the prejudices you acquired by the age of ten. Obviously, when I say Wikipedia should avoid harm, I don't mean it should avoid *any harm whatsoever*. Then don't say that. That too is an example of being overly literal and avoiding common sense. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Docs look to Wikipedia for condition info: Manhattan Research
On 27/05/2009, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: That too is an example of being overly literal and avoiding common sense. Please explain how removing publicly available, legal, verifiable, information from the wikipedia is common sense again? I think this is madness. And further, I don't have to follow it anyway. You're espousing censorship, but it's a *core value* that the wikipedia is *not* censored. But it's only a *guideline* that we don't include typical dosages. ergo: we don't have to follow it. -- -Ian Woollard All the world's a stage... but you'll grow out of it eventually. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Docs look to Wikipedia for condition info: Manhattan Research
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: snip Total number of articles: 2,893,595 Total number of articles on people: 673,918 (23.29% of all articles) Total number of featured biographies: 618 (0.09% of biographies) Total number of BLPs: 375,584 (55.73% of biographies) Total number of featured BLPs: unknown Worked out an approximation for the latter figure using the CatScan tool: http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=enwikifam=.wikipedia.orgbasecat=FA-Class+biography+articlesbasedeep=3mode=tstemplates=blpgo=Scanformat=htmluserlang=en Intersection of Category:FA-Class biography articles and Template:Blp = 169 articles http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=enwikifam=.wikipedia.orgbasecat=FA-Class+biography+articlesbasedeep=3mode=cstagcat=Biography+articles+of+living+peopletagdeep=3go=Scanformat=htmluserlang=en Intersection of Category:FA-Class biography articles and Category:Biography articles of living people = 168 articles. I sorted them in Excel and the total is 169. There are 36 articles on music groups. Three other articles (a list, a criminal trial article, and a summary-style daughter article). The other 130 articles are on living individuals. I'll throw a list up on-wiki somewhere and link from here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Carcharoth/Featured_BLPs Carcharoth Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Biography_articles_by_quality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Living_people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:FA-Class_biography_articles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Googlepedia
Googlepedia combines Wikipedia, Google searches A Firefox add-on http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/052709-googlepedia-combines-wikipedia-google.html Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Navify
Navify Is An Interface For Viewing Wikipedia With Photo Galleries, Videos And Comments http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/27/navify-is-an-interface-for-viewing-wikipedia-with-photo-galleries-videos-and-comments/ http://navify.com/ Navify is a visual encyclopedia that combines Wikipedia articles with images, videos, and comments. http://navify.com/article/the-beatles Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
