Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?

[Rob Lanphier]

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 9:41 PM, John Du Hart  wrote:

> "A formal yes"? Wasn't there a big poll and discussion on this alrready?
> Plus if you were following wikitech-l you would know that they aren't
> exactly "ready"
>

So, here's what's not ready yet, that would be great to have in place by
launch for this to make a good first impression:

1.  The main help pages.  Right now there's this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pending_changes

...which is in pretty good shape (thanks FT2!), but the pages it links to
still need quite a bit of work.  Even on that page, there's still a place in
there where someone needs to do a screenshot of the "Pending changes" tab,
for example.

2.  There are a number of issues listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Flagged_revisions_trial#Other_issues

...that still are open questions (success metrics, policy for when to apply
it, how/where to advertise, etc)

3.  This set of pages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions

...still has the old vocabulary, and still refers to "patrolled revisions"
as part of the trial (which is a separate feature that probably won't be
completed by the time the trial is over with).  Since these pages will get a
lot of traffic during the trial from people wanting to know what was just
implemented, it would be great not to confuse them with obsolete
information.

Rob
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?

[William Pietri]

On 06/07/2010 09:41 PM, John Du Hart wrote:
> "A formal yes"? Wasn't there a big poll and discussion on this alrready?
> Plus if you were following wikitech-l you would know that they aren't
> exactly "ready"
>

Hi, John.

I am indeed aware of the big poll and much of the discussion. My 
question wasn't, "do people still want it?" It was, "Are people ready to 
go in a week?" As I said, I think the answer's yes, but I wanted to 
offer people one last chance to raise any issues.

It turns out that I do follow wikitech-l. I and the rest of the team 
believe we are technically ready. If you have cause to believe 
otherwise, wikitech-l would be a good place to lay out your concerns.

Thanks,

William


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Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?

[John Du Hart]

"A formal yes"? Wasn't there a big poll and discussion on this alrready?
Plus if you were following wikitech-l you would know that they aren't
exactly "ready"

FinalRapture

On Jun 8, 2010 12:17 AM, "William Pietri"  wrote:


Assuming all goes well, we're about a week away from releasing the
Pending Changes [1] feature on the English Wikipedia for the initial
trial. The software seems ready, the ops folks are ready for the
rollout, and the Pending Changes team is ready to handle the launch.

Does the community also believe it is ready? I think the answer's yes,
but I wanted to get a formal yes before we get too close to the launch date.

William


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pending_changes

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[WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?

[William Pietri]

Assuming all goes well, we're about a week away from releasing the 
Pending Changes [1] feature on the English Wikipedia for the initial 
trial. The software seems ready, the ops folks are ready for the 
rollout, and the Pending Changes team is ready to handle the launch.

Does the community also believe it is ready? I think the answer's yes, 
but I wanted to get a formal yes before we get too close to the launch date.

William


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pending_changes

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Re: [WikiEN-l] More Murdochry

[Samuel Klein]

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Charles Matthews
 wrote:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/07/james-murdoch-british-library
>
> James Murdoch criticises the British Library's plans to digitise old
> newspapers. And I quote: "public sector interest is to distribute
> content for near zero cost – harming the market in so doing ..."
>
> I think the WMF should be getting a hearing in this debate. Every page
> of free content we post does clearly remove someone else's chance to
> profit from selling that content.

It's not all that clear that it removes anyone's chance to profit.
Most of these long-tail 'markets' are rate limited by how hard it is
to find the material in question, or to identify subsets of it that
are popular.  Having a digital PD copy that's easy for fans to find,
categorize, remix, and collate into other works can make publishing
easier.

> I want to hear the argument that the
> Murdoch line is nothing better than an attempt to justify "enclosing the
> commons" simply because someone can then profit. You have to look at
> whose land it was in the first place, not whether the result can be monetised.

Hear, hear.

SJ

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[WikiEN-l] Strategic Planning Office Hours

[Philippe Beaudette]

Hi Everyone -

Our next strategic planning office hours will be: 04:00-05:00 UTC,  
Wednesday, 9 June. Local timezones can be checked at 
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2010&month=6&day=9&hour=04&min=0&sec=0&p1=0

As always, you can access the chat by going to
https://webchat.freenode.net and filling in a username and the channel
name (#wikimedia-strategy). You may be prompted to click through a
security warning. It's fine. More details at:

http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours

Topics that may be addressed: The Call for Action, mobilizing people  
around proposals, Wikimania.

Thanks! Hope to see many of you there.
>



Philippe Beaudette  
Facilitator, Strategy Project
Wikimedia Foundation

phili...@wikimedia.org


Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in
the sum of all knowledge.  Help us make it a reality!

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[WikiEN-l] Signed Wikipedia T-shirts for auction on eBay

[Philippe Beaudette]

The page for them makes it fairly clear that this is, in fact, the  
free travel shirt.

pb

On Jun 7, 2010, at 5:22 AM, wikien-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:

> I think this is the "Free Travel-Shirt"
> , but I'm not
> completely sure.
>
> -- 

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[WikiEN-l] More Murdochry

[Charles Matthews]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/07/james-murdoch-british-library

James Murdoch criticises the British Library's plans to digitise old 
newspapers. And I quote: "public sector interest is to distribute 
content for near zero cost – harming the market in so doing ..."

I think the WMF should be getting a hearing in this debate. Every page 
of free content we post does clearly remove someone else's chance to 
profit from selling that content. I want to hear the argument that the 
Murdoch line is nothing better than an attempt to justify "enclosing the 
commons" simply because someone can then profit. You have to look at 
whose land it was in the first place, not whether the result can be 
monetised.

Charles


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