Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:46:51 +, Andrew Gray wrote: > * The three-column system will look strangely constrained for pages > with very short (<<1 screen height) infoboxes or very few headings. > > * It's not clear what would happen to our usual mass of footer > navboxes, most of which assume full-width screens. Perhaps they could > be migrated to the side columns? That's the trouble with "redesigns" that are presented as static image files; you can't tell how the proposed design would adapt to variable content, or for that matter to variable screen sizes. -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
A couple of screenshots to save people the effort: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/eiger-normal.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/eiger-three-columns.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/eiger-three-columns-more.png Looking at these, it's remarkable that we've put up with such a bad layout for wide screens for so long. I mean, seriously - that eiger-normal.png looks *awful*. The text is far too wide to read comfortably, and then there's this huge white space next to the contents box. And all with a tiny amount of CSS. Great job, Magnus! Steve On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Hey, that works :) > > I put it on userstyles.org. So if you use the "Stylish" plugin for > Chrome or Firefox, you can add it here: > > http://userstyles.org/styles/82333/wikipedia-3-columns-magnus-manske > > Steve > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Magnus Manske > wrote: >> For those of you who like to try out a similar three-column layout, this >> just fresh from the presses: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/common.css >> >> (activates on wide screens only) >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> >>> On 29 January 2013 12:10, David Gerard wrote: >>> >>> > I couldn't find a way to comment to the designer to point them to this >>> > thread or to the WP redesigns page ... can anyone else work out >>> > Dribble's exquisitely-designed interface? >>> >>> >>> I found my way to the designer's website and emailed him about the >>> redesigns page and this thread. He says thank you :-) >>> >>> >>> - d. >>> >>> ___ >>> WikiEN-l mailing list >>> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >>> >> ___ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
Hey, that works :) I put it on userstyles.org. So if you use the "Stylish" plugin for Chrome or Firefox, you can add it here: http://userstyles.org/styles/82333/wikipedia-3-columns-magnus-manske Steve On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Magnus Manske wrote: > For those of you who like to try out a similar three-column layout, this > just fresh from the presses: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/common.css > > (activates on wide screens only) > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, David Gerard wrote: > >> On 29 January 2013 12:10, David Gerard wrote: >> >> > I couldn't find a way to comment to the designer to point them to this >> > thread or to the WP redesigns page ... can anyone else work out >> > Dribble's exquisitely-designed interface? >> >> >> I found my way to the designer's website and emailed him about the >> redesigns page and this thread. He says thank you :-) >> >> >> - d. >> >> ___ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
For those of you who like to try out a similar three-column layout, this just fresh from the presses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/common.css (activates on wide screens only) On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 29 January 2013 12:10, David Gerard wrote: > > > I couldn't find a way to comment to the designer to point them to this > > thread or to the WP redesigns page ... can anyone else work out > > Dribble's exquisitely-designed interface? > > > I found my way to the designer's website and emailed him about the > redesigns page and this thread. He says thank you :-) > > > - d. > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
On 29 January 2013 12:10, David Gerard wrote: > I couldn't find a way to comment to the designer to point them to this > thread or to the WP redesigns page ... can anyone else work out > Dribble's exquisitely-designed interface? I found my way to the designer's website and emailed him about the redesigns page and this thread. He says thank you :-) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > Minor quibbles: > > * The header hits a common problem - treating read/talk/edit/history > as four different interfaces to the same page, while they're really > three interfaces to the page (read/edit/history) and one link to > another page (talk) with its own three interfaces. So there are six interfaces. You expose the four most important ones this way, you make talk:edit a button or something that's part of the talk page itself, and you ignore talk:history. That's for nerds. (I'm not sure if I've ever looked at a talk page history. It's pretty rare.) In reality though, I think using tabs for actions is the wrong approach (and is after all what the old skin did). Buttons with standard glyphs, sparingly used, would work better. A big pencil button for "edit", a less prominent "discuss this" button for talk, with history squirrelled away somewhere. You don't need a view button - standard behaviour would be to have something like a clickable page title or a "<- Roman Empire" link on those other pages. > * The three-column system will look strangely constrained for pages > with very short (<<1 screen height) infoboxes or very few headings. Mmmm...dunno about strange. Lots of blogs etc have wide margins. > * It's not clear what would happen to our usual mass of footer > navboxes, most of which assume full-width screens. Perhaps they could > be migrated to the side columns? Or they could remain full-width. That'd only be a problem if the article was short but had long right-hand-side infoboxes. You could deal with that by making the infobox column scrollable. > > Major quibbles > > * Languages have got lost entirely! (again...) Minor detail. It'd be great to have some cues that show which of the interwiki links have significant amounts of content (especially any with more content than the one you're looking at). Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
On 29 January 2013 11:46, Andrew Gray wrote: > * The header hits a common problem - treating read/talk/edit/history > as four different interfaces to the same page, while they're really > three interfaces to the page (read/edit/history) and one link to > another page (talk) with its own three interfaces. I think that may be deliberate, per comment here from the designer: "But maybe more people should talk or edit. :)" http://dribbble.com/shots/900712-Wikipedia-redesign-header-colors I couldn't find a way to comment to the designer to point them to this thread or to the WP redesigns page ... can anyone else work out Dribble's exquisitely-designed interface? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign
On 28 January 2013 20:20, David Gerard wrote: > I found this one visually appealing: > > http://dribbble.com/wirwoluf/projects/104912-wikipedia-redesign > > No doubt others will now take it apart :-) Minor quibbles: * The header hits a common problem - treating read/talk/edit/history as four different interfaces to the same page, while they're really three interfaces to the page (read/edit/history) and one link to another page (talk) with its own three interfaces. * The three-column system will look strangely constrained for pages with very short (<<1 screen height) infoboxes or very few headings. * It's not clear what would happen to our usual mass of footer navboxes, most of which assume full-width screens. Perhaps they could be migrated to the side columns? Major quibbles * Languages have got lost entirely! (again...) -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Editor Engagement list
via Steven Walling: the internal team list, now a public list. https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
