[WikiEN-l] Living Person Task Force: Phase Two
Hello, Wikimedians. This weekend I plan on finalizing the timeline for phase two of the Living Person Task Force: a community findings recommendation. What we are interested in is people from all size wikis participating in discussing common interests and problems on interpersonal and intrapersonal interaction relating to Wikimedia projects. This includes statistics gathering, examination of how projects handle OTRS complaints/issues, image use, quotation use, and sourcing. It is very important that we get participation in these areas, if anything just to received feedback on the wiki. I have subpages set up for these discussion on the Strategy site, http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_People. In six to eight weeks we'd like to develop recommendations from the Task Force that are more in-depth than the proposed recommendations to be submitted to the Board this month, to assist in developing projects identify and set up structures for the issues that come with societies. If you have experience dealing with living people on any of our wikis, or if you have ideas on how policies can be established/improved, please participate in the discussions so that we can adequately asses the projects as a whole. Thanks for your time, see you on the wiki! -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htmIt's obvious of the peak in January of 2007. What I'm interested in is thoughts of why New Contributors has statistically declined sharply, but the list of active contributors has much less of a slope and even less so for very active contributors. What happened in the first six months of 2007? Did we change template systems? Did we reword some policies relating to new users? Careful not to mistake a decline in the derivative of a function to be a decline in the function. The number of new contributors _must_ decline at some point, unless you hold a hypothesis that Wikipedia will eventually be driving the growth of human population. ;) The step function in December 2005 is clearly due to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_biography_controversy#Wikimedia_Foundation_reaction The only thing I recall happening around June 2007 was the introduction of a real captcha. Might be relevant if a non-trivial amount of the new accounts were spambot sleepers! I don't recall how those stats are generated. If they are produced from the public data then there will be odd distortions due to deletions hiding accounts.. I think there were also changes to the upload procedure around that time (the interface language abuse for an upload wizard) which started directing users to commons to upload... and uploading is a primary reason to create an account. This seems to be at least weakly supported by the stats on commons: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaCOMMONS.htm I'd guess that like most things its probably a mixture of weak effects. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Oh sure, figures lie and liars figure. Like stereotypes, from a broad lens, they make sense. I think captcha probably had a good deal to do with it. Good point there to mention. The systemization of procedures is a good point as well, whether it be uploading or bot-assisted and the functionality of automated tools like huggle and twinkle. With these thoughts in mind, the good thing is that the standard userbase numbers are consistent. Thanks Greg, other thoughts? ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics
Oh yeah, the Account Creation proccess, article upload wizard, and commons image uploading process has some effect as well. In optimizing one or a few times contributions, we perhaps also do not pique interest in further content creation. On the other hand, maybe they wouldn't have even tried before. I move to the former, based on the stats. On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htmIt's obvious of the peak in January of 2007. What I'm interested in is thoughts of why New Contributors has statistically declined sharply, but the list of active contributors has much less of a slope and even less so for very active contributors. What happened in the first six months of 2007? Did we change template systems? Did we reword some policies relating to new users? Careful not to mistake a decline in the derivative of a function to be a decline in the function. The number of new contributors _must_ decline at some point, unless you hold a hypothesis that Wikipedia will eventually be driving the growth of human population. ;) The step function in December 2005 is clearly due to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_biography_controversy#Wikimedia_Foundation_reaction The only thing I recall happening around June 2007 was the introduction of a real captcha. Might be relevant if a non-trivial amount of the new accounts were spambot sleepers! I don't recall how those stats are generated. If they are produced from the public data then there will be odd distortions due to deletions hiding accounts.. I think there were also changes to the upload procedure around that time (the interface language abuse for an upload wizard) which started directing users to commons to upload... and uploading is a primary reason to create an account. This seems to be at least weakly supported by the stats on commons: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaCOMMONS.htm I'd guess that like most things its probably a mixture of weak effects. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Oh sure, figures lie and liars figure. Like stereotypes, from a broad lens, they make sense. I think captcha probably had a good deal to do with it. Good point there to mention. The systemization of procedures is a good point as well, whether it be uploading or bot-assisted and the functionality of automated tools like huggle and twinkle. With these thoughts in mind, the good thing is that the standard userbase numbers are consistent. Thanks Greg, other thoughts? ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htmIt's obvious of the peak in January of 2007. What I'm interested in is thoughts of why New Contributors has statistically declined sharply, but the list of active contributors has much less of a slope and even less so for very active contributors. What happened in the first six months of 2007? Did we change template systems? Did we reword some policies relating to new users? This relates to an OTRS project I have going on and I got looking into the userbase question to prep. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Living Person Task Force update: Policy writing
Hello, everyone! The Living people task force is churning along. The recommendations draft is just about ready to move into finalized writing in a couple weeks http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_People/Drafting_pages/Recommendations_to_the_Board_of_Trustees/Draft_2. We're letting that rest for a bit for greater discussion, and moving on the the policy drafting. More information can be found here: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Task_force/Living_People#Moving_into_policy_writing_4302 . Participation is always welcome, there will be an informal discussion in the #wikimedia-strategy room on the freenode IRC network on Monday, March 15, at 3:00 UTC. This will be publically logged and the logs will be posted onto the strategy page. Thanks to those who have continued to express opinions and thoughts on this process, and I look forward to your participation! ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Next IRC hours for the Living People Task Force
Hello, all. The next IRC hours will begin at 4:00 UTC, Monday, March 8. The discussion will be publicly logged and posted. You can find the agenda here: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_People/IRC_Agendas If you haven't been paying attention to the task force, you can find more information http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_Peoplehttp://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_People/IRC_Agendas. Everyone is invited and encouraged to participate in this effort to create a functional strategy to dealing with living people on a global scale. Hope to see you all on the wiki! ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Living people task force discussion for this week
Hi everyone, I've adjusted the meeting time for the weekly discussion to 0:00 UTC, still on Monday, 21 February. We're also moving the discussion to #wikimedia-strategy so that Philippe's bot can more affectively log, as well as making sure that this is Wikimedia, and not Wikipedia. Meeting agenda can be found here: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_People/IRC_Agendas http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_People/IRC_AgendasCheck back to the strategy main page to see links to remit, previous meeting minutes, draft of Recommendations (this month's project), timeline, etc. Email me anytime if you have questions on how to participate! ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Living People Task Force is launching Monday
Hello, all. The Living People task force begins work Monday with part one, board recommendations and proposal. This will run for two months, with the second half beginning in April on community focus. This is a global project, and we highly encourage active global participation in discussion. More information can be found here: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_People. We hope to see you all there, and everyone have a good weekend. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Living Person Task Force is starting up
Hey, folks. The Living Person task force should get rolling mid-week, we're finalizing the core and last plans ( http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_Persons) We hope to hold weekly public meetings on IRC with the entire Wikimedia community, and we will be publishing the logs on strategy. I'm tossing together an informal what do you care to see? meeting at 3:00 UTC, 1 Feb, six hours from this post. I'll be keeping this list updated with meeting times, it should be at that time weekly I think. That's open to tweaking as well. Take care. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Living Person Task Force is starting up
Oh yeah, it's at #wikipedia-blptf On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, folks. The Living Person task force should get rolling mid-week, we're finalizing the core and last plans ( http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_Persons) We hope to hold weekly public meetings on IRC with the entire Wikimedia community, and we will be publishing the logs on strategy. I'm tossing together an informal what do you care to see? meeting at 3:00 UTC, 1 Feb, six hours from this post. I'll be keeping this list updated with meeting times, it should be at that time weekly I think. That's open to tweaking as well. Take care. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Living Person Task Force is starting up
Third time is a charm http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_Persons On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: Oh yeah, it's at #wikipedia-blptf On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, folks. The Living Person task force should get rolling mid-week, we're finalizing the core and last plans ( http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_Persons) We hope to hold weekly public meetings on IRC with the entire Wikimedia community, and we will be publishing the logs on strategy. I'm tossing together an informal what do you care to see? meeting at 3:00 UTC, 1 Feb, six hours from this post. I'll be keeping this list updated with meeting times, it should be at that time weekly I think. That's open to tweaking as well. Take care. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Living Person Task Force is starting up
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: Third time is a charm http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_Persons Or not http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_People THERE. Copy and paste is not your friend. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How smart people fail to share
It's dumbing down, but that too derives from the premise that everything
has an origin. Computer geeks tend to be fanatically logical, and that
does not leave much room for alternative explanations or sources. In
many subjects we can fill in the blanks later when someone has the time
to spend tracing things, but that approach is not shared with those who
believe in the immediacy of a deletion debate.
Ec
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Great thought.
The advantage of the wiki model, and {{sofixit}}, is that it doesn't matter
the profession.
I'm not a computer geek, I'm an encyclopedia geek. While my personal work
doesn't involve my degree, I did major in history, which leads to this:
http://chnm.gmu.edu/essays-on-history-new-media/essays/?essayid=42
So what we have is an amalgamation of left brain and right brain thinkers
working together while building Wikimedia projects, which gets back to my
idea of instruction creep interferes with the process of building. It's not
an architectural project, we don't have blueprints. Thinking that we do
will discourage the experts/smart people from contributing. Well, it has
as well as will. There's no mitigating factor other than accepting that
users will get the model of having no deadline and consensus building and
work within it, or choose not to no matter the talent or skill/knowledge
level.
~Keegan
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Re: [WikiEN-l] How smart people fail to share
Can you explain the obvious to people it isn't obvious to? With references?
- d.
Ah, well, that's the advantage of a wiki. If you know what to do and can't
explain it, you can {{sofixit}} yourself with others to review and figure
things out on their own.
Instruction creep: The dumbing down of the world.
~Keegan
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Office Hours
Is today Tuesday? This is not a joke. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: It's happening again :) Wikimedia Strategy Project office hours on IRC (#wikimedia-strategy at freenode) are Wednesday from 04:00-05:00 UTC, which is: Tuesday, 8-9pm PST Tuesday, 11pm-12am EST You can access the chat by going to https://webchat.freenode.net/ and filling in a username and the channel name (#wikimedia-strategy). You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It's fine. Another option is http://chat.wikizine.org. For more information about IRC clients, go to the Wikipedia entry on IRC or the Meta page on Wikimedia IRC. Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategy Project Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org mobile: 918 200-WIKI (9454) Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Something on the nature of working for free
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 9:02 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: It's important to keep in mind that volunteers - anyone you're not compensating for the work - do what they want, and won't do that they don't want to. A lot of volunteer organizations implode when people at the core forget that. That article is hilarious. That's why I always say if I got paid for Wikipedia, I'd quit. I wouldn't be able to say no thanks when asked to go do something I hate, like patrolling new pages which just makes me want to delete everything. Or turn off page creation. Or get desysopped for mass deletions. Now, the interesting part of the voluntary nature of Wikipedia is that there does illogically persist an ideology of status, and moving up the ladder just like in a professional world. In a paid environment, the motivation is usually power, money, skillsets, and networking. On Wikipedia, you can take out two of those motivating factors, but it's up to you which two you choose. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] BLP task force meeting
We're have a free for all discussion about BLPs, located on IRC at #wikipedia-blptf . No agenda for this get together, more of a brainstorming amongst the many scenario. The meeting starts at 02:00 UTC, Nov 23 (in four an a half hours of this writing). Attendance is highly encouraged, for more information on the task force visit http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BLP_Task_Force ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER
A DIAMOND IS FOREVER. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: I don't understand how this even relates to banner slogans, people! Emily It relates because using anything claiming it to be forever is stupid. Short of theological concepts and some metaphysical debate on the origins of the universe, the WIKIPEDIA FOREVER slogan is a cubic zirconia knock-off of De Beers. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] So, what is the deal with flagged revisions?
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: the lack of visible reward will have the same effect on them as on new contributors. What can we do about that? Emily In my opinion, nothing. In any societal construct, 10% do the management, 30% does the other work, and 60% come an go as they please. In a way, it is for the best since you actually get care an concern rather than forced labor. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:25 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Just imagine how many Terabytes of data are hiden under the iceberg tip that is what the casual reader sees. I have yet to see any paper about say, The Twisty Turny Biography of Lincoln Evolves Over Six Years Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l This is what I consider to be the exact point for starting this thread. People truly do have no clue about how to edit or the community and how it functions. Actually, I don't think the functionality of the community can be described. Folks are amazed to be told that they can edit willy nilly, make an account and all that. For all our popularity worldwide the vast majority of the consumers have no idea (I realize I'm preaching to the choir) until these news stories invoke interest. So, what to do about it? How to not bite? This that and the other are great questions to mull over. I have no answers myself, Wikipedia just kind of happens. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to Not Bite was Positives to publicity
The Welcome Wagon, like Esperanza, got taken out back and shot a few years ago when we decided to remove traces of perceived social networking in late '06 early '07. The Birthday crew is really all that remains. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:31 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Welcome Wagon, we used to have one didn't we? I don't know what happened to it, it seems like stale news. Free Tutor Program - new users can choose to sign up for tutoring for $10 an hour... ok or free whatever. Have you been bitten? Are you frustrated? Do you get laid often enough? (ok scratch that) Sign Up Now, Not Available in Stores, Supplies are Running Out - for Wiki Tutoring! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to Not Bite was Positives to publicity
The Welcoming committee is a central repository for welcoming new users. The Welcome Wagon sought to bring them into the community, much like the neighbor that knocks on your door with brownies and tells you all the sekrets about the neighbors. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: The Welcome Wagon, like Esperanza, got taken out back and shot a few years ago when we decided to remove traces of perceived social networking in late '06 early '07. What was the Welcome Wagon, and how is it different from the Welcoming Committee? Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Keegan Paul wrote: The Welcome Wagon, like Esperanza, got taken out back and shot a few years ago when we decided to remove traces of perceived social networking in late '06 early '07. The Birthday crew is really all that remains. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:31 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Welcome Wagon, we used to have one didn't we? I don't know what happened to it, it seems like stale news. Free Tutor Program - new users can choose to sign up for tutoring for $10 an hour... ok or free whatever. Have you been bitten? Are you frustrated? Do you get laid often enough? (ok scratch that) Sign Up Now, Not Available in Stores, Supplies are Running Out - for Wiki Tutoring! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting bitten is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. (Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...) Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Well, hm. Hard to explain there as an oldbie what it was like as a newbie. I happened to have good interactions based on concerns I had, as Newyorkbrad went over in a Wikipedia Weekly cast. I only registered an account because the History of Alaska was messed up and I thought it more appropriate to have an account to complain :) . I've seen thousands of editors come and go not only because of initial experience, but just passion and care. There's no real matrix for it. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
Correction, it was a blog. I just don't remember where. If'n anyone else does, please post. It was a good read. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting bitten is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. (Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...) Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Well, hm. Hard to explain there as an oldbie what it was like as a newbie. I happened to have good interactions based on concerns I had, as Newyorkbrad went over in a Wikipedia Weekly cast. I only registered an account because the History of Alaska was messed up and I thought it more appropriate to have an account to complain :) . I've seen thousands of editors come and go not only because of initial experience, but just passion and care. There's no real matrix for it. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.ukwrote: 2009/8/21 quiddity pandiculat...@gmail.com: For example, we have these pages, that are variously explicating, disambiguation, and listing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_(disambiguation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Water which in the main article, [[Water]], even manages to bring us back to the original topic, of yes, excessive or inappropriate hatnotes could be considered harmful! I see the outlines of X pages are spreading. Last I saw, they were being added in see also sections - when did they leap to the forefront of the article? -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l The irony that this discussion has encapsulated plankton and water, two of the key components of our being able to write these emails knows no bounds. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:52 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/22/2009 11:24:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bodnot...@gmail.com writes: I do sometimes get into the mindset of thinking everything I do with Wikipedia might be a waste of time because I envision it collapsing, dying, being fatally attacked or somesuch. The content of Wikipedia, like malaria, is here to stay. It's been copied so many times by now, that nothing can eradicate it. Wikipedia itself however probably won't live more than ten more years at the most :) In twenty years, we will live inside the matrix 24-7 with constant streaming implants so there won't be an Internet per se, and computing power will be distributed all-wetware-all-the-time. After all any million step computation can be done one step at a time by a million neurons, you don't even have to be in a waking state. Hey that's gives me an idea! I'd better get to work right away on building a wetware bot attack plan. W.J. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l We could use that $100 wager to buy earshells... ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
Meanwhile, back on the English Wikipedia, a bot has added loads of interwikis: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vienne_(disambiguation)diff=309530294oldid=309522639 I wonder if all those are correct or not? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Right well, I'll start brushing up on my Breton and by the time I get around to learning Vietnamese the sun will have obliterated the earth and Wikipedia as we know it. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I don't however see the whole mountainish molehill if there is only one link at the top. Will Johnson From what I'm understanding and agree with, the molehill is not the issue over disambig pages. The initial issue is that someone looking up plankton would have seen a See also Spongebob link. The perception by people looking up plankton will be to already question the validity of the editorial content if Spongebob is the first thing they see. Correct me if I'm wrong about this being the initial issue, Carcharoth. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Strategic Planning Office Hours
Good timing, I can make that. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: Strategic Planning office hours happen tomorrow - Tuesday - at Tuesdays from 20:00-21:00 UTC, which is: 1-2pm PDT; 4-5pm EDT. We're going to try having this conversation in #wikimedia-strategy instead of taking over #wikimedia. Hope to see you there! Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategic Planning Wikimedia Foundation pbeaude...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] IRC Group Contacts Surgery, August 2009
Was that English? :D ~Keegan On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:27 PM, FastLizard4 fastliza...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It should be noted that you can, like every other freenode user that wants to keep logs, establish a connection and keep your very own. For example, I have a ClueNet shell account, which is very convenient for this purpose, to which irssi stores all of my logs in ~fastlizard4/logs. If I ever want to search the logs, all I have to do is open up nano and use the search function, or simply `cat ~/logs/channel.log|grep 'Search string'`. You simply cannot release these logs to the public (under current policy). In irssi, to start logging, all you have to do is '/log open -autoopen -targets #channel ~/channel.log' and that channel will be logged. Similar commands exist in every IRC client that I know. It may not be totally open as you desire, but anyone can do it and have there own set of logs. - -- - --FastLizard4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FastLizard4 | http://scalar.cluenet.org/~fastlizard4/) wjhon...@aol.com wrote: A few years ago, I had asked that IRC have a searchable archive of discussions. I was told that there were daily logs and I could get one if I asked. I asked, and was denied. Until IRC commits itself to openness, it should have little to no impact on any facet of our project. Without searchable archives, IRC is not open in the modern sense, regardless of who or how you can join it, or view it. The archives of this mailing list are searchable. Will Johnson In a message dated 7/30/2009 8:21:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, s...@silentflame.com writes: Greetings, The IRC Group Contacts decided last year to hold a surgery every three months where general IRC matters could be brought up for discussion in an environment in which IRC people able to put those into action (which includes all the contacts themselves) were present and involved. Regrettably it took just over a year for the second meeting to be organised, but this pattern will not be repeated! Therefore we invite you to visit http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts/Meetings/August_2009 and sign up for the meeting if you are someone interested in how IRC runs and especially if you are responsible for one or more channels. That page will shortly contain procedural information on how we intend to structure the meeting to get the most out of it. For convenience, I shall note that the meeting is at 1900Z on 3rd August 2009 in #wikimedia-irc-meetings on freenode. Yours, Sean Whitton (seanw on IRC) For the IRC Group Contacts I have posted this message to the main public mailing lists to which I subscribe and would appreciate circulation of the meeting's existence to as many other languages/projects as possible as this is open to all - but please note that the meeting will be held in English. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkpyVo4ACgkQIUvvVwjDo7a39wCeKNN1FuRm1aQ1ADkU+w1uviy+ b9oAnjQDIjpT73ph2jS6BSYNV8BtkvrG =SHwj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Brand Republic: BBC Radio 4 launches Wikipedia parod y
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:29 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/23 kgnp...@gmail.com kgnp...@gmail.com: Parodies are compliments in my book. Sarcasm to flattery and all that. Look forward to a US available link. The thing to remember is how ridiculously mainstream Wikipedia is these days. When I first got involved, early 2004, it was #500 in the world, and I was *really impressed* by that. Oh I remember, I remember. ~Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
