Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat
Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the answer to the question is to deprecate such ridiculous templates and apply the appropriate categories. These enormous templates make articles difficult to open on slow or mobile connections, which encompasses a significant number of our users. This is a usability issue, and an inappropriate use of templates. IMHO these large theme boxes should be converted into nice portal pages. Portals can be designed more optically appealing and hold even more links. And the articles themselves only need a link to the portal page, which also addresses the file size Problem. Perhaps the usefulness of portals and categories can be combined. For example, but unrealistic in the short term, clicking to a standard category link should open the portal page of the same name if it exists. Peter -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?
WereSpielChequers, All, 1 The size of the database in gigabytes has been growing faster than the the number of articles This is a weak argument. The constant activity of interwiki bots alone will add a huge amount of database storage space without increasing the real length of the articles. Peter [[User:Pjacobi]] -- Neu: GMX De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief! Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/demail ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?
Charles, All, Are we glad to have five new substantial articles, or embarrassed to have persistent five stubs? So has this made things proportionately better or worse? Discuss. Short stale articles at least openly announce that they are in a rather preliminary stage. So I'm not bothered at all about the five persistent stubs. Whereas any or all of the expanded articles may turn into one of the many long stale articles we have. Outdated, not conforming to minimal standards, POV -- (seemingly) forever lurking in the depths of our encyclopedia as no active editor or WikiProject can be bothered to care for them. Regards, Peter [[User:Pjacobi]] -- GRATIS! Movie-FLAT mit über 300 Videos. Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Alleged Liberal Bias
As the overwhelming majority of points on the list are absurd or pathetic, it
took me a bit by surprise that I'm sort of agreeing with #51 (Wikipedia's
entry on Peter Singer downplayed his advocacy for infanticide and moral disdain
for human life.)
The coverage in his article and in [[Practical Ethics]] doesn't match the
controversy it created and doesn't pinpoint *why* it created a such a
controversy.
Yeah, I'm aware of {{sofixit}}.
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Datum: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:48:54 -0700
Von: Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com
An: charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com, English Wikipedia
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Betreff: Re: [WikiEN-l] Alleged Liberal Bias
Even if Conservapedia are raving lunatics (and I agree with David on
that),
paying careful attention to our critics is a useful exercise. If you're
really interested Fred, make a list of smart people and try to pry
specific,
constructive pieces of criticism out of them.
We all know we're not yet meeting our own standards though. There's plenty
of work to on the neutrality front without wondering about how fringe
groups
like Conservapedia view our neutrality. The silent majority of readers
already appreciate what we're shooting for with NPOV.
/twocents
Steven Walling
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Alleged Liberal Bias
Ryan, All, (Regarding #51, [[Peter Singer]]) Actually, I haven't looked at this article in awhile since I quit editing Wikipedia. It looks like the balance is quite good, as far as your philosophy articles go. If anything, the discussion of his arguments on infanticide may be too prominent. But there are no serious problems that I see. Have you compared the German articles (at least using online translation)? It's not an ivory tower philosophy discussion, it got a lively real world controversy with activists from the disability rights movements and other (mostly far left) organisations trying and often succeeding to prevent Singer speaking in Germany (and elsewhere). A stream of articles and books published against and in defense of Singer? And while I have no overview about the situation in the US, there seem to be parallels, e.g. http://www.thearclink.org/news/article.asp?ID=426 Peter -- Neu: GMX De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief! Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/demail ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] IPA issues
David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: To me IPA is likely to remain one of the scripts I will never learn, and whether I ought to learn it is besides the point The enWP is written in English. The explanations are in English. The pronunciations have to be given in a form English readers can read, even if it is only approximate. You forget an important point. enWP has many readers and contributors with English as second language. They usually use IPA as reference how English is pronounced and have been taught English this way. So effectively IPA is more native to them than all these ugly English pronunciation guides. Regards, Peter [[User:Pjacobi]] -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Bible websites
Despite being at least semi off topic, I must comment on this: The Bible is a well-known ancient work with great cultural significance. Its status as fiction or fact is almost beside the point. It is accurate about what it itself says, which can be cited as appropriate to inform articles where what it said was/is relevant. But there is a widespread abuse of citing the bible and it will not get better by providing technical means to better cite the bible. What I mean is giving bible citations as reference for theological statements. There are two thousand years of struggling factions of christianity and libraries full of interpretations of bible verses. You cannot ignore this and propose that the bible verse can speak for itself. Peter -- Neu: GMX Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate für nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] RFC on paid editing
Carcharoth wrote: *One point I don't think has been raised is that paid editing mostly focuses on living people and contemporary organisations. I can't actually think of examples of paid editing that don't involve biographies of living people ([[WP:BLP]]) or corporate companies ([[WP:CORP]]), plus a side-serving of political and non-corporate organisations (e.g. non-governmental organisations and charities) and I'm sure that is an important point, but maybe someone else could articulate that? FYI, on German Wikipedia there is [[Wikipedia:WikiProjekt Nachwachsende Rohstoffe]] which co-ordinated by http://www.nova-institut.de/ and is receiving some government funding AFAIK. Regards, Peter [[User:Pjacobi]] -- GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions: de:wp 99.5% reviewed
I've just checked a small sample of 10d unreviewed changes from the list. About 50% are not reviewed for unknown reasons, the can (and I have) be given the flag within 30 seconds of reading (style changes, URL changes). The other half are unreferenced additions to articles nobody cares about (small towns, biograohies of rather unknown persons, unimportant music groups). This relates to Thomas' posting: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: As I understand it, the German implementation has quite strict requirements for flagging. The suggestions on the English Wikipedia seem to be more about just stopping obvious vandalism. It can't be said for sure, whether these additions are vandalism (jokes) or valid ones. Bayesian statistics would suggest just reviewing them, as they are more likely not vandalism. OTOH, requiring references for each addition would solve the problem in the other direction. Regards, Peter -- Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
