Re: [WikiEN-l] I can't live with [[WP:TPG]].
In [[WP:REDACT]], a section in the talk space guidelines, the rules say you must discuss changes to your own words with strikeout text. I found it very awkward, especially since I hav been ignoring it, and replacing whole conversations with a one line note, for most of my time here. I was going to put a rule at the top of my page saying In contrast with [[WP:REDACT]], you do not need my permission to change or delete your own words, here. I will not hold you to them. If there is a contextual problem that I see, then I will probably adjust my own text. If you change your mind and I even remember or the issue just comes up again, then you can either waffle or refuse to answer. You do not need to answer my questions on your own talk page, either. If it takes you more than a week, then you probably won't answer them on your own talk page, either, so you can delete them there, too. If it is important for me to ask, then I will ask someone else. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:brewh...@edmc.net Jayron32 did not like my parody of his sick cabal. Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:7c865bab0901260443v130064b2xf22c9ef7f20c1...@mail.gmail.com... On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM, brewhaha%40edmc.net brewh...@edmc.netwrote: This is about the second time that someone slapped me with a rule in Talk Page Guidelines. The one about revising your own comments can reduce revision rates to a snail's pace while you discuss them in e-mail. Please tell me that it is a joke that everyone ignores. I don't get what you're talking about. -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] BBC article on Flagged Revisions
E-mailing revisions to an author concerned with the article you want to revise would do about the same thing, plus, rather than having a few volunteers for the process and the resulting Jerman experience with a backlog and weeks of delay, that author might hav time to offer feedback, including the potential for a personal block or a polite refusal to be your proxy. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] user:LtWinters
My suspicion that LtWinters and Grawp are identical stems from user:Grawpthegiant07 being a suspected sock of LtWinters. From moves he has done, he is very likely a sock of Grawp. I do not expect clerks to giv this case a priority until Grawp can no longer create accounts. David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote in message news:480eb3150812201638k1c3d0cfdy30801c1923373...@mail.gmail.com... I don't myself work on these issues. Can't quite manage to do everything. -- David On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Jay Litwyn brewh...@edmc.net wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LtWintersaction=history This guy seems more like what I've read about Grawp than Psychonaut. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Reporting Grawp to Verizon
I wrote: - Source IP address: 207.172.128.101 That's a bad example, because it's not Verizon. The contributions do hav a lot of unwanted communication, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Grawp http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:71.107.165.252action=editredlink=1 That is Verizon. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:70.121.43.80action=editredlink=1 That is Herndon, Virginia, but roadrunner. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:151.32.140.76action=editredlink=1 Italia, Online. Either it's a copycat or a proxy. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:70.217.243.230action=editredlink=1 That is Verizon wireless, New Jersey. Following whois links might get you information you want, and I hav found them non-functional, lately. The whois server that wikipedia uses was changing our nocache request to cache for good technical reasons. Their connection to arin was recently failing, so I am using http://www.kloth.net/ in Deutschland. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Reporting Grawp to Verizon
69.139.6.164 For your convenience, that is comcast, and their whois record is too short, so I do not know where. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:71.107.165.252action=editredlink=1 That is Verizon in Reston, Virginia. Right state, wrong city, depending on technology available. I was thinking that Verizon could, under normal load conditions, keep users in the same 64k block of IP#s, and I do not know that they even try. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:67.233.195.172action=editredlink=1 That is EMBARQSERVICES.NET in Winter Park, Florida. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:88.109.84.158action=editredlink=1 http://www.tiscali.co.uk 20 Broadwick Street London W1F 8HT +44 207 087 2000 abuse-mailbox: ab...@uk.tiscali.com (There is a list of repeated, identical messages of warning via tiscali that are misidentified as death threats on his checkuser page.) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:68.110.105.92action=editredlink=1 Cox Communications, Atlanta. That's all I get without calling up their web site. Reporting address should be ab...@cox.com 213.114.174.153 address:Box 47645 address:117 94 Stockholm address:Sweden abuse-mailbox: abuse at bredband.com If it's all the same guy, then maybe he really does know something about piracy. The rest of them hav convenient links to whois information. Last time I checked, they also worked. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Tracking spam for fun and profit
Andrew Gray shimg...@gmail.com wrote in message news:f3fedb0d0901180808r2f6da699g2d5d4d557ebf7...@mail.gmail.com... You know the thing, Dear Respected Sir. I am the Minister for Trade of Nigeria, and I wish to embezzle a BILLION dollars AMERICAN... Money Laundering is a more applicable term. I hav seen job offers that do not spell out how much I stand to get. The only unifying characteristic of fraud in that vein is that it asks for more personal information to open phone channels, to begin with, plus it never orijinates from a likely domain. My ISP either drops e-mail from IP#s that mask their domain name or fills that information in. The crazy thing is that you could open a phone channel with me from looking at my website, so if someone asks for it in e-mail, then I know that the scammer does not know a thing about me. I get more spam on Thursday, when scammers can hope to keep their account open until Monday. I identify fraud with [phish] -- same category as notes from banks that are not signed or that I do not deal with. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Tracking spam for fun and profit
I used hotmail once, for a throwaway account on a mailing list that I did not want to be associated with. Making it reject spam from MicroSoft was doable at the time, and it was still an insurmountable pain to use with Lynx. Spam is probably on side-bars there, now. Hint for moderators: Learn how to set up an account from your ISP. All communication involves risk. Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote in message news:3911bc3c-d99b-4874-b0c9-97a4bc80b...@gmail.com... You have Gmail and your spam filter works badly? Hm, strange. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 13:08, Andrew Gray shimg...@gmail.com wrote: Those of you whose spam filters work as badly as mine are no doubt familiar with the genre of 419 spam emails. You know the thing, Dear Respected Sir. I am the Minister for Trade of Nigeria, and I wish to embezzle a BILLION dollars AMERICAN... One element of these that you occasionally see is supporting evidence - the writer tries to give the impression the email is legitimate by linking to an entirely respectable but irrelevant news story which proves the person they're claiming to be actually exists, in the hope that this will make the whole thing seem legit. Last month, I got one purporting to be from Maria das Neves, the former Prime Minister of São Tomé and Principe. What immediately caught my attention, as I went to hit delete, was that it linked not to a newspaper article about her, but the Wikipedia article (which it referred to as my profile) This was on 15th December. And sure enough, if we look at the December statistics for that page, we find that about four hundred people followed the link over a couple of days: http://stats.grok.se/en/200811/Maria_das_Neves There's a second, smaller, spike at the end of the month; a second run? If we look back there's also one around November 24th, and one yesterday (January 17th). An entirely unexpected application of stats.grok.se, there! On a more relevant content note, it seems most of these waves led people to add warnings about it to the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maria_das_Nevesdiff=258161984oldid=251397327 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maria_das_Nevesdiff=260979984oldid=258164279 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maria_das_Nevesdiff=264791843oldid=262290274 ...so the you can edit idea must be getting fairly apparent even among people who read spam :-) -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Inappropriate termination of discussion
Maybe you should point out some examples. The archive process I know is something I regard as pointless, because it is in the history. Why not just link to the revision before deleting large portions of discussions that seem to be closed? I am not familiar with how noticeboards are maintained. I am familiar with how long the helpdesk page becomes. Halvor a22112...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:923456.86827...@web46307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com... I find to have identified in a pair of templates a clear and present danger to the consensus-building principle on which our wiki rests: Template:Discussion top and Template:Discussion bottom. These are being utilized to stifle and suppress free exchange of opinions when they sometimes are being applied to cut off what is being vicariously painted by one party as unconstructive/ridiculous/disruptive/pointless/time-wasting/take your pick, discussions. We have other, appropriate, means to deal with trolling and genuinely disruptive contributions. This pair of templates makes it way too easy to put us all on a track which fundamentally and possibly irreversibly, compromises the consensus-building process. I have thus nominated the pair of template for deletion. Opinions on this are particularly welcomed on the Templates for discussion page. Halvor (meco) -- all communication to and from this person will be subject to public availability public password: 17stovner _ Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Journal of Biblical Literature is also requiring aWikipedia entry
Wikiquote seems to be the most appropriate venue. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GRAWPTHEGIANT07 BTW, since this guy has been confirmed as LtWinters, then my suspicion that he is grawp is also confirmed. I will look for the template for placing that suspicion, because I am not sure that the same people are looking at the same records. I see no reason why a different vandal would use the name of a chased vandal. For that matter, there are three spellings of Psychonaut, and the simple one is still active for some reason. The problem with increasing the account age requirements for moving a page is that it penalizes ALL NEW USERS, not just those with verizon who *might* be personally affected, and only at an inconvenience. There are ways around it and I do not see that Grawp is using them extensively. I see one obvious range on his checkuser page that probably *was* blocked. Verizon is big and no RFC that I know of concerns how IP numbers are allotted. The blocks he has direct access to might concern a district or an entire city. Serious editors with an account on wikipedia are only about one in ten thousand. The advantage to blocking verizon, 64k at a time according to their whois records, is that we might actually get a response from them, saying, yes, he is with us, yes, we do hav a policy problem concerning him, and we are concerning his mother. They hav a policy regarding unwanted communication. All they need is feedback from their own users to get it enforced. I do not really *know* that they ignored previous e-mails from me. I suspect that they might actually pay attention to fifty. collateral damage is too strong of a military euphemism for unintended death. Please use unintended delays or requring rudimentarily confirmed channels, because that is all that is entailed. Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote in message news:781c50250901152204q733764aayc1d2758c0201a...@mail.gmail.com... In my experience these kinds of problems need to be dealt with firmly, with a minimum of collateral damage, but in a reactive way that tells the vandal that they can't in general win, in no uncertain terms. Messing around with proxy blocks and filters and stuff- it's much too brittle, it's probably never going to work. I think the easiest and most effective way to handle this GRAWP issue is just to temporarily increase the account age requirement for page moves to (say) 6 months on the wikipedia, and make any account less recent than that go through an admin. If it puts him out of business he'll probably get bored and stop. In a few weeks we could try reducing it again, and if he starts back up, raise it again promptly. The point is, there is no way around that; he can't win. Even if he ages accounts we just raise the requirement, wait a while, and then lower it again. Rinse, lather, repeat. The point is to give them the idea that they're up against an implacable obstacle; which... they are. -- -Ian Woollard We live in an imperfectly imperfect world. Life in a perfectly imperfect world would be much better. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Blocking Verizon for slack enforcement regarding Jeremy Hanson/LtWinters
I hav seen the SpamAssasin configuration of Tera-Byte internet. I do not remember where it is, and I could ask them again. It did not contain much in the way of content scans, except for SMTP validity. It contained a *lot* of Realtime-Block-List ratings a year or two ago. Open relays are a closed topic (for me) in news:/news.admin.net-abuse.email (probably not on gmane). None are on my part of the internet. So, for that matter, is Paul Vixie's initial declaration that he does not want spam-friendly sites talking to him with *any* protocol. Since that time, I hav tried to use Trend MicroSystems RBL, to no effect--too many hoops, too little feedback. I make submissons to http://www.rfc-ignorant.org It probably costs them fourty thousand a year to be around. There may indeed be thousands of proxies on the internet. Their main purpose is screening porn from children in the way of Net Nanny, but more dynamically and reliably. ___ No one can abuse you without your permission. --Ann Landers That's an empowering lie. It usually does not serve you to remember exceptions. Either that or it pays you to make it true. Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote in message news:7e948df10901152056q7414db7ase6ef1e8877802...@mail.gmail.com... With all due respect, you appear to have no idea what you're talking about. Nathan On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:47 PM, brewhaha%40edmc.net brewh...@edmc.netwrote: Do we not yet hav a policy regarding open proxies (relays)? I would think that anonymizer.com and anything like it is blocked indefinitely. hotmail and gmail blocked anonymizer.com. Why should we not? As a jeneral rule, open relays for e-mail are listed and blocked, so as a jeneral rule, mail relays only serve congestion physics and paying users. ___ No one can abuse you without your permission. --Ann Landers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] [phish]
Jon scr...@datascreamer.com wrote in message
news:495aefc3.2040...@datascreamer.com...
(...)
Welcome to wikipedia. You didn't create a good enough article in
your allotted 60 seconds so we deleted it. Dont forget to sign your
posts!
Even though it was in jest, it is true.
(...)
Actually, no, not literally true, and as they say true enough to be funny.
David Levy criticized me for putting a joke in wikipedia, mentioning
uncyclopedia. He did not convince me that jokes are a problem in template space
(I hav, however sworn off of template space). {{db|speedy|funny|hour}} for
Speedily delete with a funny warning, and let users think that it took a while
to decide, because it might otherwise feel like a machine rejected it, and that
is not as far from the truth as it should be. Deletionism is boring. Now
wonder they get stern. I know. Not on wikipedia. In e-mail, it is so trivial to
identify the crap, and so much trouble to report it, and you just know that
some sucker is going to fall for some twit with twenty million to split with
you (He might actually hav it, too, because of suckers who believe the other
story over the phone, which is more convincing). If it sounds too good to be
true, it almost always is.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
I asked *where*, as in a link. Even suspected sockpuppets are fine, because checkuser is not a crystal ball, and I am not too shabby at patterns. The standard for reporting to police is common assault. That means an explicit threat of violence against a specific individual, organization or group. It is a lot more common in bars where you can read how serious they are. Hence the question to Durova about How did that make you feel?. (It makes the written medium more difficult, and not impossible). The transaction must be accessible to police if not me. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sarrukhdiff=prevoldid=186083986 That counts as a personal attack on wikipedia. It does not count as common assault, so I do not see any visits from the F.B.I. prompted by the R.C.M.P., for Jeremy Hanson, today. Maybe some phone calls from vocal wikipedians...'What was the point of that comment you made to , saying ..., no wonder some people want to block Verizon... Why don't you spend time in news://alt.flame ? ... Lotsa room for a potty mouth in there. For that matter, there is room for people who want to make serious accusations against high and ancient religious figures. From the latin it is Of the dead, only good. Following that standard, Hitler will be forgotten. Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:7c865bab0901151825h326d3189jbcd577b410c19...@mail.gmail.com... On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:40 AM, brewhaha%40edmc.net brewh...@edmc.netwrote: a.. 2007-09-05T20:26:03 (hist) (diff) m Talk:Muhammad ? (moved Talk:Muhammad to Talk:Muhammad raped little children, and he was a known prostitute, aka male whore. He worshiped Satan and sacrificed babies in his name.) Okay...This is about the worst I hav found, and it does not go under the heading of common assault. So, where is this stuff where Jeremy Hanson makes threats about doing things like this? Overall, he seems like a bot that likes moving things to HAGGER. Under verizon's acceptable use policy, if they were enforcing it, yes, he could find himself and his mother disjoined from the internet. Under the law though, it is not common assault, so that hoped-for visit from feds is not likely. Hate-crimes? I did not look there, yet. They are not big in the western world. Remember the cartoons published? So, in total, I think range blocks are the best way to go. People with IDs will still be able to edit from verizon, and in fact people can obtain IDs via-e-mail, so I think collateral damage is a strong term for unintentional and temporary blocks. This will let the clerks nail down all of Grawp's accounts before he creates new ones. In a world of rampant excellence, verizon's users will ask verizon why, and verizon will ask someone at wikipedia in turn. Where is the common assault? You clearly haven't looked very far then. He's made hundreds of attacks on editors in page moves and username creations. I won't say what they are, but I assure you, they are nasty. -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
a.. 2007-09-05T20:26:03 (hist) (diff) m Talk:Muhammad ? (moved Talk:Muhammad to Talk:Muhammad raped little children, and he was a known prostitute, aka male whore. He worshiped Satan and sacrificed babies in his name.) Okay...This is about the worst I hav found, and it does not go under the heading of common assault. So, where is this stuff where Jeremy Hanson makes threats about doing things like this? Overall, he seems like a bot that likes moving things to HAGGER. Under verizon's acceptable use policy, if they were enforcing it, yes, he could find himself and his mother disjoined from the internet. Under the law though, it is not common assault, so that hoped-for visit from feds is not likely. Hate-crimes? I did not look there, yet. They are not big in the western world. Remember the cartoons published? So, in total, I think range blocks are the best way to go. People with IDs will still be able to edit from verizon, and in fact people can obtain IDs via-e-mail, so I think collateral damage is a strong term for unintentional and temporary blocks. This will let the clerks nail down all of Grawp's accounts before he creates new ones. In a world of rampant excellence, verizon's users will ask verizon why, and verizon will ask someone at wikipedia in turn. Where is the common assault? ___ Nobody can abuse you without your permission. --Ann Landers Comet styles cometsty...@gmail.com wrote in message news:c7c66430812141923r3605e9a3s175d1dcb3418...@mail.gmail.com... Grawp has been a problem for a very long time and not only on the english wikipedia but on every single wikimedia wiki as well as about 200 other wikis and wikia and even though most of his edits were just page moves with links to shocksites, but quite recently within the last 6 month, he has started to randomly attack users both on their sex and religion and quite recently he has stoop so low as to attack the users family members and children which is most definitely the nail to the coffin. This has gone far enough and since the mother does not want to take matters to her own hands, we may have to take this one step further and go to the feds because internet bullying and harassment is a CRIME and its about time he paid the price..we have had enough !! -- Cometstyles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson
Do we not yet hav a policy regarding open proxies (relays)? I would think that anonymizer.com and anything like it is blocked indefinitely. hotmail and gmail blocked anonymizer.com. Why should we not? As a jeneral rule, open relays for e-mail are listed and blocked, so as a jeneral rule, mail relays only serve congestion physics and paying users. ___ No one can abuse you without your permission. --Ann Landers Christopher Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com wrote in message news:725b770d0901151828j6c7d87ffkb90d5a52288d8...@mail.gmail.com... He uses proxies, rangeblocks won't help. - Chris On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Range blocks are ridiculous overkill. Hey let's black out Illinois just for the fun of it! See if anyone complains! **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! ( http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62 ) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] General versus specific names/scope for articles
In this matter of choice, I avoid jeneral terms when I can. For example, I rarely write algae, because that could refer to moss that has a solid substrate or dissolved phytoplankton. The practical difference is that plankton can grow (and consume oxygen in decomposition) a lot faster than moss. Other writers figure that they want to, and can safely get rid of, both, so they lump it altogether in algae, a word that I avoid. Is no combusion external to an enjin? Or, external combusion is incidental to light enjinz like rockets and afterburning turbines. Does having the fire enclosed in solids for the vast majority of the burn make it internal combustion? I think that is a popular understanding that excludes rockets and turbines. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Hacker does not equal Cracker
Hacker != Cracker! -Ian Woollard In a group dedicated to publishing kludges and various manners of creativity with machines (unspecified moderator), that is true. In the popular press, of course, since a hacker is human and can be bribed or even supported and indoctrinated, crackers are hackers. Hackers are not necessarily crackers. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
