Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
http://www.taglinesgalore.com/faces.html Randall Woodman compiled the most comprehensive list I hav seen. They are under the acronyms. http://www.taglinesgalore.com/cgi-bin/tags/taglines.cgi?action=random Just in case you think all my taglines are orijinal. wrote in message news:d05.51fb680f.36fd2...@aol.com... > In a message dated 3/26/2009 4:48:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, > brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes: > > >> Clear emoticon 8-; (tung in cheek with sunglasses) for sarcasm. Probable >> emoticon in your example :-( for frustration with someone who did not >> read >> one page of the fine manual. The emotion was not sarcasm or incredulity, >> and >> >> the purpose is the same.>> >> >> > > Talk about esoteric! I'd never heard of this emoticon. So I have to > assume > that the vast majority of readers would have no idea what that > semantic-unit > that emoticon conveyed. > > Will > > > > > > > ** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
In a message dated 3/26/2009 4:48:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes: > Clear emoticon 8-; (tung in cheek with sunglasses) for sarcasm. Probable > emoticon in your example :-( for frustration with someone who did not read > one page of the fine manual. The emotion was not sarcasm or incredulity, and > > the purpose is the same.>> > > Talk about esoteric! I'd never heard of this emoticon. So I have to assume that the vast majority of readers would have no idea what that semantic-unit that emoticon conveyed. Will ** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
Clear emoticon 8-; (tung in cheek with sunglasses) for sarcasm. Probable emoticon in your example :-( for frustration with someone who did not read one page of the fine manual. The emotion was not sarcasm or incredulity, and the purpose is the same. wrote in message news:c68.497344fe.36f7f...@aol.com... (...) > p.s. Sometimes I have use "*" for [an oppositional] purpose and I've seen > other's do it > as well. It's much easier than trying to underline or bold some phrase. ___ Fools talk about [this noise]. I like talking about [[moderated stuff]]. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
Fools talk about [this noise]. I prefer talking about [[moderated stuff]]. The problem with using quotation marks for sarcasm is that your opponents might be reading it in opposing light. I agree that many people do not know the rules for curlies, either. I do not. They seem to be royal edicts from people who prefer "vague" to "foggy". ___ http://tinyurl.com/NinjaRinger (Turn your volume down, way down, before you listen to that, because those are physical harmonics with one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fundamental_frequency, so that voice carries). wrote in message news:c51.48f1df00.36fa9...@aol.com... > The problem with extending the use of square brackets to cover sarcasm, > tongue-in-cheek and incredulity is that square brackets traditionally mean > "this > context is being added and was not previously present in the quoted text". > I.E. The Prime Minister stated, "Yesterday Mrs [George] Jones went to > Hampshire." The editor of the top-most source is inserting "George" not > to convey > emotional meaning, but merely to convey contextual meaning within a > quoted > phrase. > > Also, I believe the use of quotes to cover the cases I mentioned is > already > present in materials. > > > > In a message dated 3/24/2009 8:18:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes: > > I think square > brackets work better for your second case, because newspapers use them to > correct grammar and insert context > > **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 > or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > The problem with extending the use of square brackets to cover sarcasm, > tongue-in-cheek and incredulity is that square brackets traditionally mean > "this > context is being added and was not previously present in the quoted text". > I.E. The Prime Minister stated, "Yesterday Mrs [George] Jones went to > Hampshire." The editor of the top-most source is inserting "George" not to > convey > emotional meaning, but merely to convey contextual meaning within a quoted > phrase. > > Also, I believe the use of quotes to cover the cases I mentioned is already > present in materials. > > > I agree. Any non-standard use of punctuation will inevitably create confusion. Ec ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
The problem with extending the use of square brackets to cover sarcasm, tongue-in-cheek and incredulity is that square brackets traditionally mean "this context is being added and was not previously present in the quoted text". I.E. The Prime Minister stated, "Yesterday Mrs [George] Jones went to Hampshire." The editor of the top-most source is inserting "George" not to convey emotional meaning, but merely to convey contextual meaning within a quoted phrase. Also, I believe the use of quotes to cover the cases I mentioned is already present in materials. In a message dated 3/24/2009 8:18:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes: I think square brackets work better for your second case, because newspapers use them to correct grammar and insert context **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism > Enquoted text can mean (in my book): > 1. You are quoting verbatim some source; or > 2. You are using an expression tongue-in-cheek or with implied sarcasm, > hostility or a questioning stance (i.e. John and Pat are "good friends"; > Mr Smith > is in his "private compartment"; I appreciate your "delightful" > conversation) > > Will Johnson > > p.s. Sometimes I have use "*" for this purpose and I've seen other's do it > as well. It's much easier than trying to underline or bold some phrase. I agree that number two is a use that people make of quotation marks. I even pointed out to someone that they do not make emphasis. I think square brackets work better for your second case, because newspapers use them to correct grammar and insert context. Once you are doing that much, it is no great leap to [interpreter], fully constructing sentences for Jean Chretien, or paraphrasing a conclusion that does not come easily from legalese. Square brackets are better, IMAO, and I guess I can not blame Churchill for missing that, either. Regarding *bold* and _underline_, I do not remember any semantics other than emphasis. ___ I deleted "Ninja Bell Ringer" from my ringtones, because it sounded much darker than I intended in the first place. Good thing I recently listened to Enya, because I can't seem to find what I was looking for on her disk, and everything that is on it sounds a lot like what I was looking for. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
I have sometimes used quote marks to quote myself hypothetically replying to someone when trying to illustrate a point, or when paraphrasing someone. However, this can get confusing if people think you are quoting what someone actually said. i.e. Will, when you said "using expressions tongue-in-cheek or with sarcasm" I thought of replying "well, there are other ways of saying that", but I decided not to. In the above bit, it looks like I've quoted Will and myself saying things, but in fact I've paraphrased Will (from memory, for example) and got the quote wrong, and I never actually said what I've used quote marks for for my hypothetical comment. A better way to write the above would be: i.e. Will, when you said "using expressions tongue-in-cheek or with sarcasm" (paraphrasing from memory) I thought of replying "well, there are other ways of saying that" (unstated comment), but I decided not to. Unfortunately, if you remove the quote marks, it becomes difficult to see where the different levels of narration begin and end (in that sentence I am switching between narrative voices, from the main author-reader one to a paraphrasing voice to one voicing my unspoken thoughts. Some I use single quote marks to make it clear it is something separate, but not a direct quote: i.e. Will, when you said 'using expressions tongue-in-cheek or with sarcasm' (paraphrasing from memory) I thought of replying 'well, there are other ways of saying that' (unstated comment), but I decided not to. But as long as the context makes clear what is happening, it should be OK. In a similar way, some really strange literature uses this as a device to messes with readers' minds, leaving them confused as to who is speaking, and when, to whom. Carcharoth On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 7:56 PM, wrote: > Enquoted text can mean (in my book): > 1. You are quoting verbatim some source; or > 2. You are using an expression tongue-in-cheek or with implied sarcasm, > hostility or a questioning stance (i.e. John and Pat are "good friends"; Mr > Smith > is in his "private compartment"; I appreciate your "delightful" conversation) > > Will Johnson > > p.s. Sometimes I have use "*" for this purpose and I've seen other's do it > as well. It's much easier than trying to underline or bold some phrase. > > > **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
Enquoted text can mean (in my book): 1. You are quoting verbatim some source; or 2. You are using an expression tongue-in-cheek or with implied sarcasm, hostility or a questioning stance (i.e. John and Pat are "good friends"; Mr Smith is in his "private compartment"; I appreciate your "delightful" conversation) Will Johnson p.s. Sometimes I have use "*" for this purpose and I've seen other's do it as well. It's much easier than trying to underline or bold some phrase. **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Jay Litwyn wrote: From http://www.theracetothebottom.org/ward-churchill/ "Use of quotation marks. The committee asserted that quotations around "mixed blood" and "full blood" Indians in Churchill's work implies the Allotment Act contains these terms verbatim, and because the Act does not expressly contain this language, this constitutes academic misconduct. Cheyfitz disagreed and stated quotation marks serve many purposes, and the use of quotations here does not necessarily imply these words were used in the Act." What use of quotation marks in everyday literature does not mean you are quoting someone verbatim? (I hav used them to distinguish pronunciation from spelling in alt.usage.english, and to denote strings in computer code, and that is about all). When you are explaining what someone else means, then you enclose it in square brackets. That is what newspapers here do, anyway. One might call this a 'fake choice', omitting a variety of literary devices such as scare quotes; or so the 'putative interlocutor' I use rhetorically in this email would say. This writer would refer you to the multiple usages in [[scare quotes]], just as a start. -- gwern signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
>From http://www.theracetothebottom.org/ward-churchill/ "Use of quotation marks. The committee asserted that quotations around "mixed blood" and "full blood" Indians in Churchill's work implies the Allotment Act contains these terms verbatim, and because the Act does not expressly contain this language, this constitutes academic misconduct. Cheyfitz disagreed and stated quotation marks serve many purposes, and the use of quotations here does not necessarily imply these words were used in the Act." What use of quotation marks in everyday literature does not mean you are quoting someone verbatim? (I hav used them to distinguish pronunciation from spelling in alt.usage.english, and to denote strings in computer code, and that is about all). When you are explaining what someone else means, then you enclose it in square brackets. That is what newspapers here do, anyway. "Ghost writing. The committee found research misconduct on Churchill's part where he ghost wrote the Rebecca Robbins essay "from the ground up" and then cited that essay in his own work. Cheyfitz opined there is nothing wrong in this because another professional (Robins) signed off on the essay and applied her authority to it, so she stands behind those ideas as if she wrote it herself. There was no coercion or deception involved, and no basis for research misconduct allegations. Likewise, Churchill's work on the Indian Arts and Crafts Act did not constitute research misconduct." Why was her voice a good or necessary choice? She probably should hav at least mentioned his name, in some fashion. I asked someone to solicit my rent overpayment back once, and she insisted on putting it in her own words, which did the trick. - Original Message - From: "Fred Bauder" To: "English Wikipedia" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism >> In the category of academic fraud, there is fudging data, misquoting >> sources, and poorly attributing sources. Polemics concerning what data >> means >> is different. So is judgement on which statistics to use. Start with the >> mean, median, or mode problem; avoid saying "average". >> > > There is a trial underway: > > http://www.theracetothebottom.org/ward-churchill/ > > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
> In the category of academic fraud, there is fudging data, misquoting > sources, and poorly attributing sources. Polemics concerning what data > means > is different. So is judgement on which statistics to use. Start with the > mean, median, or mode problem; avoid saying "average". > There is a trial underway: http://www.theracetothebottom.org/ward-churchill/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
In the category of academic fraud, there is fudging data, misquoting sources, and poorly attributing sources. Polemics concerning what data means is different. So is judgement on which statistics to use. Start with the mean, median, or mode problem; avoid saying "average". ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
It is possible to discuss plagiarism without naming individuals. Durova referred to a proposed guideline, and that is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Plagiarism Closely related is the concept of close paraphrasing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Close_paraphrasing >From July 2005 to June 2008, Wikipedia:Plagiarism was a redirect (the destination has varied). Since June 2008, is has been a proposed guideline, with people either of the opinion that it is not needed at all because the relevant stuff is covered elsewhere (with at least one attempt to turn the page back into a redirect), or people agreeing that something separate is needed to address the complexities of such matters. Carcharoth On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Durova wrote: > That becomes a bit difficult without naming individuals who may not > subscribe to this list. There have been problems, though, particularly at > DYK. Not everyone understands what plagiarism is, or agrees that avoiding > it is important. > > -Durova > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:55 PM, wrote: > >> It's possible your mention was conditioned by some specific example, >> but maybe Durova you could address a bit more directly what you mean by >> saying that we need a plagiariam policy. Wouldn't that policy be >> something like "Don't do that?" >> >> How are you seeing the situation in a more complex way? >> >> Will Johnson >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> > > > > -- > http://durova.blogspot.com/ > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
That becomes a bit difficult without naming individuals who may not subscribe to this list. There have been problems, though, particularly at DYK. Not everyone understands what plagiarism is, or agrees that avoiding it is important. -Durova On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:55 PM, wrote: > It's possible your mention was conditioned by some specific example, > but maybe Durova you could address a bit more directly what you mean by > saying that we need a plagiariam policy. Wouldn't that policy be > something like "Don't do that?" > > How are you seeing the situation in a more complex way? > > Will Johnson > > > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > -- http://durova.blogspot.com/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism
It's possible your mention was conditioned by some specific example, but maybe Durova you could address a bit more directly what you mean by saying that we need a plagiariam policy. Wouldn't that policy be something like "Don't do that?" How are you seeing the situation in a more complex way? Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
