Re: [WikiEN-l] Mailing list policy
In light of recent events I would support the creation of a new list dedicated to creating policy for mailing lists, provided it was open to any participant and itself was not moderated. Any moderated list, dedicated to discussing moderation, is open to abuse by any selected moderators.? I'm on several completely unmoderated lists and we in general have very little problem with things like spam or whatever horrors are supposed to accompany the lack of moderators.? The lists I'm on with moderators constantly have problems mostly from the moderators themselves interferring where they should just leave things alone. The moderation list must have the power to set policy and enjoin moderators to follow that policy without allowing any moderators to put themselves in the position of complainant, prosecutor, jury, judge, bailiff and jailer as the case is today.? No free society can function in a system where a single person can decide the fate of another person entirely.? It's abhorrent to the principles upon which all of western society is based. Will Johnson ? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Mailing list policy
Thomas Dalton wrote: > I had exactly the same idea a few weeks ago and discussed it here > briefly. In fact, you know that - you proposed it on bugzilla > afterwards: > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20209 > There was no real support for it. If people here are interested, then > we can reopen the idea. I'm not interested if I can't take credit for thinking up your idea. -Stevertigo ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Mailing list policy
2009/9/22 stevertigo : > Thomas Dalton wrote: >> Absolutely. The WMF hosts the lists, so has a veto, but generally >> policy should be entirely determined by the users. Mods interpreting >> that policy can result in what is essentially new policy, though. (The >> same happens in law - judges often create new law when judging a >> specific case.) > > Very accurate. > > I myself just thought up a new idea that could sort of solve some of > the crosstalk, OTOT, and noise issues people have been complaining > about (as if foundation-l was ever supposed to be as sanitized as a > PR/announce list). > > Essentially we can just create a new mailing list for well.. mailing > list issues. Not exactly a coffee-table book about coffee-tables, just > a place for people deal with all things mail, until mail itself is > replaced with some kind of Slashclone/mailmanager hybrid. I had exactly the same idea a few weeks ago and discussed it here briefly. In fact, you know that - you proposed it on bugzilla afterwards: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20209 There was no real support for it. If people here are interested, then we can reopen the idea. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Mailing list policy
Thomas Dalton wrote: > Absolutely. The WMF hosts the lists, so has a veto, but generally > policy should be entirely determined by the users. Mods interpreting > that policy can result in what is essentially new policy, though. (The > same happens in law - judges often create new law when judging a > specific case.) Very accurate. I myself just thought up a new idea that could sort of solve some of the crosstalk, OTOT, and noise issues people have been complaining about (as if foundation-l was ever supposed to be as sanitized as a PR/announce list). Essentially we can just create a new mailing list for well.. mailing list issues. Not exactly a coffee-table book about coffee-tables, just a place for people deal with all things mail, until mail itself is replaced with some kind of Slashclone/mailmanager hybrid. -Stevertigo ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Mailing list policy
2009/9/22 : > The group itself should be able to have a voice in what is and what is not > policy for the group. Absolutely. The WMF hosts the lists, so has a veto, but generally policy should be entirely determined by the users. Mods interpreting that policy can result in what is essentially new policy, though. (The same happens in law - judges often create new law when judging a specific case.) > As well the group should be able to know what *policy-based* actions are > being taken and why. > > Shining light on moderator actions, ensures that moderators take action that > is fair, impartial, and applied evenly across the entire group. For the most part, I agree. I can imagine situations where it is best to keep things quiet, but they would be very rare. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Mailing list policy
The group itself should be able to have a voice in what is and what is not policy for the group. As well the group should be able to know what *policy-based* actions are being taken and why. Shining light on moderator actions, ensures that moderators take action that is fair, impartial, and applied evenly across the entire group. Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
