[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021

2021-10-31 Thread Yaroslav Blanter 
Yes, I already figured this out trying to add images OF a building, not
FROM the building.

Still, P18 could work with qualifiers, but I guess new properties is a
better route. If you propose them please let me know (my account is
ymblanter). Or we could have some brainstorming here.

Best
Yaroslav

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 1:41 PM Jan Ainali  wrote:

> Den sön 31 okt. 2021 kl 10:51 skrev Yaroslav Blanter :
>
>> Actually, thinking more about it: views of the same building from
>> different sides (also also from the inner yard) must be eligible as well.
>> What would be the best practice? P8517 (view) using different qualifiers?
>>
>
> Not P8517, it is meant for images FROM a place, not OF a place.
>
> The views are obviously eligible for WLM, but it is not trivial to add
> them to a Wikidata item consistently right now. We might need some new
> properties.
>
> /Jan
>
>
>> Best
>> Yaroslav
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 10:43 AM Yaroslav Blanter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great, thanks a lot everyone. Looks like plenty of opportunities to use
>>> the images.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Yaroslav
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 2:40 AM Éder Porto F Alves <
>>> eder.po...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a list of 14 image related properties that we are considering to
>>>> declare "this monument had no image at the start of the contest" in WLM
>>>> Brasil:
>>>>
>>>>- P18 (image)
>>>>- P3311 (plan view image)
>>>>- P4291 (panoramic view)
>>>>- P4640 (photosphere image)
>>>>- P8517 (view)
>>>>- P1442 (image of grave)
>>>>- P1766 (place name sign)
>>>>- P1801 (commemorative plaque image)
>>>>- P3451 (nighttime view)
>>>>- P5252 (winter view)
>>>>- P5775 (image of interior)
>>>>- P8592 (aerial view)
>>>>- P9721 (image of entrance)
>>>>- P9906 (inscription image)
>>>>
>>>> We have them in a fallback relation. Video is something that we didn't
>>>> consider this year, good idea! Winter view in Brazil rarely have snow,
>>>> unfortunatelly, and I feel kinda "guilt" by using images taken between June
>>>> and September in this property, haha.
>>>>
>>>> Good contributions,
>>>> Éder Porto
>>>> --
>>>> *De:* effe iets anders 
>>>> *Enviado:* sábado, 30 de outubro de 2021 18:32
>>>> *Para:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <
>>>> wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>> *Assunto:* [Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021
>>>>
>>>> It may be easier to start these tables with the UNESCO heritage sites?
>>>> Those are usually pretty well photographed, and then it's more a matter of
>>>> filling the gaps.
>>>>
>>>> For a lot of 'smaller' sites a bunch of these types may not be
>>>> applicable (which is fine), in which case it may be nice to have some way
>>>> to explicitly define 'none'. For example entrance.
>>>>
>>>> Funny that we have something for Winter view, but not for other
>>>> seasons? :) Very Northern hemisphere perspective...
>>>>
>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Jan Ainali 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 21:14 skrev Yaroslav Blanter >>> >:
>>>>
>>>> Without looking at the table, I guess for Wikidata we have just one
>>>> property, which is P18:Image. Normally, it is only one image which is used
>>>> with this property, very seldom two (e.g. exterior / interior), sometimes
>>>> people add dozens of images to the same item but this is clearly abuse. We
>>>> do not have properties for different types of images, such as panoramic
>>>> view, architectural details, interior, historic images etc. I also do not
>>>> think this classification is in any way built into Structural Commons. On
>>>> Commons, sometimes we are relying on categories, but often we just have one
>>>> category with several hundred files. Should we try to make this distinction
>>>> between the images on the structural level?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You should have looked :)  It turns out we have plenty of image
>>&g

[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021

2021-10-31 Thread Jan Ainali 
Den sön 31 okt. 2021 kl 10:51 skrev Yaroslav Blanter :

> Actually, thinking more about it: views of the same building from
> different sides (also also from the inner yard) must be eligible as well.
> What would be the best practice? P8517 (view) using different qualifiers?
>

Not P8517, it is meant for images FROM a place, not OF a place.

The views are obviously eligible for WLM, but it is not trivial to add them
to a Wikidata item consistently right now. We might need some new
properties.

/Jan


> Best
> Yaroslav
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 10:43 AM Yaroslav Blanter 
> wrote:
>
>> Great, thanks a lot everyone. Looks like plenty of opportunities to use
>> the images.
>>
>> Best
>> Yaroslav
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 2:40 AM Éder Porto F Alves <
>> eder.po...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a list of 14 image related properties that we are considering to
>>> declare "this monument had no image at the start of the contest" in WLM
>>> Brasil:
>>>
>>>- P18 (image)
>>>- P3311 (plan view image)
>>>- P4291 (panoramic view)
>>>- P4640 (photosphere image)
>>>- P8517 (view)
>>>- P1442 (image of grave)
>>>- P1766 (place name sign)
>>>- P1801 (commemorative plaque image)
>>>- P3451 (nighttime view)
>>>- P5252 (winter view)
>>>- P5775 (image of interior)
>>>- P8592 (aerial view)
>>>- P9721 (image of entrance)
>>>- P9906 (inscription image)
>>>
>>> We have them in a fallback relation. Video is something that we didn't
>>> consider this year, good idea! Winter view in Brazil rarely have snow,
>>> unfortunatelly, and I feel kinda "guilt" by using images taken between June
>>> and September in this property, haha.
>>>
>>> Good contributions,
>>> Éder Porto
>>> --
>>> *De:* effe iets anders 
>>> *Enviado:* sábado, 30 de outubro de 2021 18:32
>>> *Para:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <
>>> wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> *Assunto:* [Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021
>>>
>>> It may be easier to start these tables with the UNESCO heritage sites?
>>> Those are usually pretty well photographed, and then it's more a matter of
>>> filling the gaps.
>>>
>>> For a lot of 'smaller' sites a bunch of these types may not be
>>> applicable (which is fine), in which case it may be nice to have some way
>>> to explicitly define 'none'. For example entrance.
>>>
>>> Funny that we have something for Winter view, but not for other seasons?
>>> :) Very Northern hemisphere perspective...
>>>
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Jan Ainali  wrote:
>>>
>>> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 21:14 skrev Yaroslav Blanter :
>>>
>>> Without looking at the table, I guess for Wikidata we have just one
>>> property, which is P18:Image. Normally, it is only one image which is used
>>> with this property, very seldom two (e.g. exterior / interior), sometimes
>>> people add dozens of images to the same item but this is clearly abuse. We
>>> do not have properties for different types of images, such as panoramic
>>> view, architectural details, interior, historic images etc. I also do not
>>> think this classification is in any way built into Structural Commons. On
>>> Commons, sometimes we are relying on categories, but often we just have one
>>> category with several hundred files. Should we try to make this distinction
>>> between the images on the structural level?
>>>
>>>
>>> You should have looked :)  It turns out we have plenty of image
>>> properties: https://w.wiki/4Jw2
>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw.wiki%2F4Jw2&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974717161%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DEkK5OygXJGArzw21AT2StlTmOiST%2FnLwOI4HKffrsg%3D&reserved=0>
>>>
>>> Of these 47 the following were interesting:
>>>
>>> panoramic view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4291
>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4291&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa

[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021

2021-10-31 Thread Yaroslav Blanter 
Actually, thinking more about it: views of the same building from different
sides (also also from the inner yard) must be eligible as well. What would
be the best practice? P8517 (view) using different qualifiers?

Best
Yaroslav

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 10:43 AM Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> Great, thanks a lot everyone. Looks like plenty of opportunities to use
> the images.
>
> Best
> Yaroslav
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 2:40 AM Éder Porto F Alves 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a list of 14 image related properties that we are considering to
>> declare "this monument had no image at the start of the contest" in WLM
>> Brasil:
>>
>>- P18 (image)
>>- P3311 (plan view image)
>>- P4291 (panoramic view)
>>- P4640 (photosphere image)
>>- P8517 (view)
>>- P1442 (image of grave)
>>- P1766 (place name sign)
>>- P1801 (commemorative plaque image)
>>- P3451 (nighttime view)
>>- P5252 (winter view)
>>- P5775 (image of interior)
>>- P8592 (aerial view)
>>- P9721 (image of entrance)
>>- P9906 (inscription image)
>>
>> We have them in a fallback relation. Video is something that we didn't
>> consider this year, good idea! Winter view in Brazil rarely have snow,
>> unfortunatelly, and I feel kinda "guilt" by using images taken between June
>> and September in this property, haha.
>>
>> Good contributions,
>> Éder Porto
>> ------
>> *De:* effe iets anders 
>> *Enviado:* sábado, 30 de outubro de 2021 18:32
>> *Para:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <
>> wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> *Assunto:* [Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021
>>
>> It may be easier to start these tables with the UNESCO heritage sites?
>> Those are usually pretty well photographed, and then it's more a matter of
>> filling the gaps.
>>
>> For a lot of 'smaller' sites a bunch of these types may not be applicable
>> (which is fine), in which case it may be nice to have some way to
>> explicitly define 'none'. For example entrance.
>>
>> Funny that we have something for Winter view, but not for other seasons?
>> :) Very Northern hemisphere perspective...
>>
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Jan Ainali  wrote:
>>
>> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 21:14 skrev Yaroslav Blanter :
>>
>> Without looking at the table, I guess for Wikidata we have just one
>> property, which is P18:Image. Normally, it is only one image which is used
>> with this property, very seldom two (e.g. exterior / interior), sometimes
>> people add dozens of images to the same item but this is clearly abuse. We
>> do not have properties for different types of images, such as panoramic
>> view, architectural details, interior, historic images etc. I also do not
>> think this classification is in any way built into Structural Commons. On
>> Commons, sometimes we are relying on categories, but often we just have one
>> category with several hundred files. Should we try to make this distinction
>> between the images on the structural level?
>>
>>
>> You should have looked :)  It turns out we have plenty of image
>> properties: https://w.wiki/4Jw2
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw.wiki%2F4Jw2&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974717161%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DEkK5OygXJGArzw21AT2StlTmOiST%2FnLwOI4HKffrsg%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> Of these 47 the following were interesting:
>>
>> panoramic view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4291
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4291&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974727151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4yheJy9%2FXvFbLLiP8WsRzXlBDNat4sotrJXNPGGdFbg%3D&reserved=0>
>> photosphere image http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4640
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4640&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974727151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=J3IDr0UYCdjliOHlfnfDxSaYbdKLCQ83gLTGEGZIEtE%3D&reser

[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021

2021-10-31 Thread Yaroslav Blanter 
Great, thanks a lot everyone. Looks like plenty of opportunities to use the
images.

Best
Yaroslav

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 2:40 AM Éder Porto F Alves 
wrote:

> I have a list of 14 image related properties that we are considering to
> declare "this monument had no image at the start of the contest" in WLM
> Brasil:
>
>- P18 (image)
>- P3311 (plan view image)
>- P4291 (panoramic view)
>- P4640 (photosphere image)
>- P8517 (view)
>- P1442 (image of grave)
>- P1766 (place name sign)
>- P1801 (commemorative plaque image)
>- P3451 (nighttime view)
>- P5252 (winter view)
>- P5775 (image of interior)
>- P8592 (aerial view)
>- P9721 (image of entrance)
>- P9906 (inscription image)
>
> We have them in a fallback relation. Video is something that we didn't
> consider this year, good idea! Winter view in Brazil rarely have snow,
> unfortunatelly, and I feel kinda "guilt" by using images taken between June
> and September in this property, haha.
>
> Good contributions,
> Éder Porto
> --
> *De:* effe iets anders 
> *Enviado:* sábado, 30 de outubro de 2021 18:32
> *Para:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <
> wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>
> *Assunto:* [Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021
>
> It may be easier to start these tables with the UNESCO heritage sites?
> Those are usually pretty well photographed, and then it's more a matter of
> filling the gaps.
>
> For a lot of 'smaller' sites a bunch of these types may not be applicable
> (which is fine), in which case it may be nice to have some way to
> explicitly define 'none'. For example entrance.
>
> Funny that we have something for Winter view, but not for other seasons?
> :) Very Northern hemisphere perspective...
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Jan Ainali  wrote:
>
> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 21:14 skrev Yaroslav Blanter :
>
> Without looking at the table, I guess for Wikidata we have just one
> property, which is P18:Image. Normally, it is only one image which is used
> with this property, very seldom two (e.g. exterior / interior), sometimes
> people add dozens of images to the same item but this is clearly abuse. We
> do not have properties for different types of images, such as panoramic
> view, architectural details, interior, historic images etc. I also do not
> think this classification is in any way built into Structural Commons. On
> Commons, sometimes we are relying on categories, but often we just have one
> category with several hundred files. Should we try to make this distinction
> between the images on the structural level?
>
>
> You should have looked :)  It turns out we have plenty of image
> properties: https://w.wiki/4Jw2
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw.wiki%2F4Jw2&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974717161%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DEkK5OygXJGArzw21AT2StlTmOiST%2FnLwOI4HKffrsg%3D&reserved=0>
>
> Of these 47 the following were interesting:
>
> panoramic view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4291
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4291&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974727151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4yheJy9%2FXvFbLLiP8WsRzXlBDNat4sotrJXNPGGdFbg%3D&reserved=0>
> photosphere image http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4640
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4640&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974727151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=J3IDr0UYCdjliOHlfnfDxSaYbdKLCQ83gLTGEGZIEtE%3D&reserved=0>
> winter view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5252
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP5252&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974737132%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=um8I15Bj3vMiXVU6%2FwIUpUXGTzQnsx%2BmpJZdNthKNiM%3D&reserved=0>
> image of interior http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5775
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fen

[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021

2021-10-30 Thread Éder Porto F Alves 
I have a list of 14 image related properties that we are considering to declare 
"this monument had no image at the start of the contest" in WLM Brasil:

  *   P18 (image)
  *   P3311 (plan view image)
  *   P4291 (panoramic view)
  *   P4640 (photosphere image)
  *   P8517 (view)
  *   P1442 (image of grave)
  *   P1766 (place name sign)
  *   P1801 (commemorative plaque image)
  *   P3451 (nighttime view)
  *   P5252 (winter view)
  *   P5775 (image of interior)
  *   P8592 (aerial view)
  *   P9721 (image of entrance)
  *   P9906 (inscription image)

We have them in a fallback relation. Video is something that we didn't consider 
this year, good idea! Winter view in Brazil rarely have snow, unfortunatelly, 
and I feel kinda "guilt" by using images taken between June and September in 
this property, haha.

Good contributions,
Éder Porto

De: effe iets anders 
Enviado: sábado, 30 de outubro de 2021 18:32
Para: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition 

Assunto: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021

It may be easier to start these tables with the UNESCO heritage sites? Those 
are usually pretty well photographed, and then it's more a matter of filling 
the gaps.

For a lot of 'smaller' sites a bunch of these types may not be applicable 
(which is fine), in which case it may be nice to have some way to explicitly 
define 'none'. For example entrance.

Funny that we have something for Winter view, but not for other seasons? :) 
Very Northern hemisphere perspective...

Lodewijk

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Jan Ainali 
mailto:ainali@gmail.com>> wrote:
Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 21:14 skrev Yaroslav Blanter 
mailto:ymb...@gmail.com>>:
Without looking at the table, I guess for Wikidata we have just one property, 
which is P18:Image. Normally, it is only one image which is used with this 
property, very seldom two (e.g. exterior / interior), sometimes people add 
dozens of images to the same item but this is clearly abuse. We do not have 
properties for different types of images, such as panoramic view, architectural 
details, interior, historic images etc. I also do not think this classification 
is in any way built into Structural Commons. On Commons, sometimes we are 
relying on categories, but often we just have one category with several hundred 
files. Should we try to make this distinction between the images on the 
structural level?

You should have looked :)  It turns out we have plenty of image properties: 
https://w.wiki/4Jw2<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw.wiki%2F4Jw2&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974717161%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DEkK5OygXJGArzw21AT2StlTmOiST%2FnLwOI4HKffrsg%3D&reserved=0>

Of these 47 the following were interesting:

panoramic view 
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4291<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4291&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974727151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4yheJy9%2FXvFbLLiP8WsRzXlBDNat4sotrJXNPGGdFbg%3D&reserved=0>
photosphere image 
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4640<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4640&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974727151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=J3IDr0UYCdjliOHlfnfDxSaYbdKLCQ83gLTGEGZIEtE%3D&reserved=0>
winter view 
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5252<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP5252&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974737132%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=um8I15Bj3vMiXVU6%2FwIUpUXGTzQnsx%2BmpJZdNthKNiM%3D&reserved=0>
image of interior 
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aerial view 
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[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021

2021-10-30 Thread effe iets anders 
It may be easier to start these tables with the UNESCO heritage sites?
Those are usually pretty well photographed, and then it's more a matter of
filling the gaps.

For a lot of 'smaller' sites a bunch of these types may not be applicable
(which is fine), in which case it may be nice to have some way to
explicitly define 'none'. For example entrance.

Funny that we have something for Winter view, but not for other seasons? :)
Very Northern hemisphere perspective...

Lodewijk

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Jan Ainali  wrote:

> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 21:14 skrev Yaroslav Blanter :
>
>> Without looking at the table, I guess for Wikidata we have just one
>> property, which is P18:Image. Normally, it is only one image which is used
>> with this property, very seldom two (e.g. exterior / interior), sometimes
>> people add dozens of images to the same item but this is clearly abuse. We
>> do not have properties for different types of images, such as panoramic
>> view, architectural details, interior, historic images etc. I also do not
>> think this classification is in any way built into Structural Commons. On
>> Commons, sometimes we are relying on categories, but often we just have one
>> category with several hundred files. Should we try to make this distinction
>> between the images on the structural level?
>>
>
> You should have looked :)  It turns out we have plenty of image
> properties: https://w.wiki/4Jw2
>
> Of these 47 the following were interesting:
>
> panoramic view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4291
> photosphere image http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4640
> winter view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5252
> image of interior http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5775
> aerial view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P8592
> image of entrance http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P9721
> video http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P10
>
> that I'm using in my table. Not many in my example monument list have
> several of these, so there's a lot to do.
>
> /Jan
>
>
>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 8:27 PM Ciell Wikipedia <
>> ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If I read the table correctly, it shows (lack of) different images:
>>> overview, panorama, close-up, interior, entrance, video. That is a nice
>>> challenge indeed, thanks for sharing the query Jan!
>>>
>>> I remember when we did variations like this in NL, and awarded a special
>>> prize for the best detailed image of a monument, a special prize for an
>>> aerial image of a monument (drones!), or for an overview series of max 10
>>> images of one monument. This query would be very helpful for those kinds of
>>> extra prizes.
>>>
>>> Vriendelijke groet,
>>> Ciell
>>>
>>>
>>> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 19:49 schreef Jan Ainali :
>>>
 One very interesting aspect that was touched upon today (I don't
 remember in which session) was the notion of going a bit deeper than just
 getting the first image of a monument.

 That got me inspired to experiment with this listeria list that uses
 many more relevant image properties. (Sorry for the Swedish but the SPARQL
 query in the wikitext should be language neutral.)


 https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare%3AAinali%2FLista_%C3%B6ver_byggnadsminnen_i_Visby

 I hope that can inspire someone further

 Med vänliga hälsningar
 Jan Ainali


 Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 19:20 skrev Ciell Wikipedia <
 ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com>:

> Thanks Bodhi, they were very interesting sessions!
>
> I checked with the organisation and WMDE will have them all available
> through their YT channel later, but since they are recording the whole
> WikidataCon weekend, it will take some time to edit and upload all of the
> material. They will become available in due time on the WMDE YT
>  channel,
> and I assume they'll be uploaded on Commons as well.
>
> Today's sessions were:
> * Wikidata in Ireland, WLM and beyond! (Rebecca O'Neill)
> * Structured data, structured photos – SDC for WLM (Alicia Fagerving)
> * Structured contest data for campaigns (Susanna Ånä)
> * Wikidata at the heart of Wiki Loves Monuments: a Brazilian
> experience (Éder Port)
> * Field photography in Bahia, Brazil before and after Wikidata as a
> tool to organize Wiki Loves Monuments in Brazil (Paul Burley)
> * Wiki Loves Monuments discussion (Rebecca, Paul, Éder)
>
> I think most if not all of you are on this mailing list, and I want to
> thank you for sharing your work and enthusiasm about our photo competition
> at today's WikidataCon! 👍
>
> Vriendelijke groet,
> Ciell
>
>
> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 11:49 schreef Bodhisattwa Mandal <
> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> For those who have not noticed, WikidataCon 2021 has 6 sessions on
>> WLM today. The sessions have already started. The program s

[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021

2021-10-30 Thread Jan Ainali 
Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 21:14 skrev Yaroslav Blanter :

> Without looking at the table, I guess for Wikidata we have just one
> property, which is P18:Image. Normally, it is only one image which is used
> with this property, very seldom two (e.g. exterior / interior), sometimes
> people add dozens of images to the same item but this is clearly abuse. We
> do not have properties for different types of images, such as panoramic
> view, architectural details, interior, historic images etc. I also do not
> think this classification is in any way built into Structural Commons. On
> Commons, sometimes we are relying on categories, but often we just have one
> category with several hundred files. Should we try to make this distinction
> between the images on the structural level?
>

You should have looked :)  It turns out we have plenty of image properties:
https://w.wiki/4Jw2

Of these 47 the following were interesting:

panoramic view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4291
photosphere image http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4640
winter view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5252
image of interior http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5775
aerial view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P8592
image of entrance http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P9721
video http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P10

that I'm using in my table. Not many in my example monument list have
several of these, so there's a lot to do.

/Jan



>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 8:27 PM Ciell Wikipedia 
> wrote:
>
>> If I read the table correctly, it shows (lack of) different images:
>> overview, panorama, close-up, interior, entrance, video. That is a nice
>> challenge indeed, thanks for sharing the query Jan!
>>
>> I remember when we did variations like this in NL, and awarded a special
>> prize for the best detailed image of a monument, a special prize for an
>> aerial image of a monument (drones!), or for an overview series of max 10
>> images of one monument. This query would be very helpful for those kinds of
>> extra prizes.
>>
>> Vriendelijke groet,
>> Ciell
>>
>>
>> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 19:49 schreef Jan Ainali :
>>
>>> One very interesting aspect that was touched upon today (I don't
>>> remember in which session) was the notion of going a bit deeper than just
>>> getting the first image of a monument.
>>>
>>> That got me inspired to experiment with this listeria list that uses
>>> many more relevant image properties. (Sorry for the Swedish but the SPARQL
>>> query in the wikitext should be language neutral.)
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare%3AAinali%2FLista_%C3%B6ver_byggnadsminnen_i_Visby
>>>
>>> I hope that can inspire someone further
>>>
>>> Med vänliga hälsningar
>>> Jan Ainali
>>>
>>>
>>> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 19:20 skrev Ciell Wikipedia <
>>> ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com>:
>>>
 Thanks Bodhi, they were very interesting sessions!

 I checked with the organisation and WMDE will have them all available
 through their YT channel later, but since they are recording the whole
 WikidataCon weekend, it will take some time to edit and upload all of the
 material. They will become available in due time on the WMDE YT
  channel,
 and I assume they'll be uploaded on Commons as well.

 Today's sessions were:
 * Wikidata in Ireland, WLM and beyond! (Rebecca O'Neill)
 * Structured data, structured photos – SDC for WLM (Alicia Fagerving)
 * Structured contest data for campaigns (Susanna Ånä)
 * Wikidata at the heart of Wiki Loves Monuments: a Brazilian experience
 (Éder Port)
 * Field photography in Bahia, Brazil before and after Wikidata as a
 tool to organize Wiki Loves Monuments in Brazil (Paul Burley)
 * Wiki Loves Monuments discussion (Rebecca, Paul, Éder)

 I think most if not all of you are on this mailing list, and I want to
 thank you for sharing your work and enthusiasm about our photo competition
 at today's WikidataCon! 👍

 Vriendelijke groet,
 Ciell


 Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 11:49 schreef Bodhisattwa Mandal <
 bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com>:

> Hello,
>
> For those who have not noticed, WikidataCon 2021 has 6 sessions on WLM
> today. The sessions have already started. The program schedule is here -
> https://pretalx.com/wdcon21/schedule/#2021-10-30
>
> Regards,
> Bodhisattwa
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[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021

2021-10-30 Thread Yaroslav Blanter 
Without looking at the table, I guess for Wikidata we have just one
property, which is P18:Image. Normally, it is only one image which is used
with this property, very seldom two (e.g. exterior / interior), sometimes
people add dozens of images to the same item but this is clearly abuse. We
do not have properties for different types of images, such as panoramic
view, architectural details, interior, historic images etc. I also do not
think this classification is in any way built into Structural Commons. On
Commons, sometimes we are relying on categories, but often we just have one
category with several hundred files. Should we try to make this distinction
between the images on the structural level?

Best
Yaroslav

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 8:27 PM Ciell Wikipedia 
wrote:

> If I read the table correctly, it shows (lack of) different images:
> overview, panorama, close-up, interior, entrance, video. That is a nice
> challenge indeed, thanks for sharing the query Jan!
>
> I remember when we did variations like this in NL, and awarded a special
> prize for the best detailed image of a monument, a special prize for an
> aerial image of a monument (drones!), or for an overview series of max 10
> images of one monument. This query would be very helpful for those kinds of
> extra prizes.
>
> Vriendelijke groet,
> Ciell
>
>
> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 19:49 schreef Jan Ainali :
>
>> One very interesting aspect that was touched upon today (I don't remember
>> in which session) was the notion of going a bit deeper than just getting
>> the first image of a monument.
>>
>> That got me inspired to experiment with this listeria list that uses many
>> more relevant image properties. (Sorry for the Swedish but the SPARQL query
>> in the wikitext should be language neutral.)
>>
>>
>> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare%3AAinali%2FLista_%C3%B6ver_byggnadsminnen_i_Visby
>>
>> I hope that can inspire someone further
>>
>> Med vänliga hälsningar
>> Jan Ainali
>>
>>
>> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 19:20 skrev Ciell Wikipedia <
>> ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Thanks Bodhi, they were very interesting sessions!
>>>
>>> I checked with the organisation and WMDE will have them all available
>>> through their YT channel later, but since they are recording the whole
>>> WikidataCon weekend, it will take some time to edit and upload all of the
>>> material. They will become available in due time on the WMDE YT
>>>  channel, and
>>> I assume they'll be uploaded on Commons as well.
>>>
>>> Today's sessions were:
>>> * Wikidata in Ireland, WLM and beyond! (Rebecca O'Neill)
>>> * Structured data, structured photos – SDC for WLM (Alicia Fagerving)
>>> * Structured contest data for campaigns (Susanna Ånä)
>>> * Wikidata at the heart of Wiki Loves Monuments: a Brazilian experience
>>> (Éder Port)
>>> * Field photography in Bahia, Brazil before and after Wikidata as a tool
>>> to organize Wiki Loves Monuments in Brazil (Paul Burley)
>>> * Wiki Loves Monuments discussion (Rebecca, Paul, Éder)
>>>
>>> I think most if not all of you are on this mailing list, and I want to
>>> thank you for sharing your work and enthusiasm about our photo competition
>>> at today's WikidataCon! 👍
>>>
>>> Vriendelijke groet,
>>> Ciell
>>>
>>>
>>> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 11:49 schreef Bodhisattwa Mandal <
>>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com>:
>>>
 Hello,

 For those who have not noticed, WikidataCon 2021 has 6 sessions on WLM
 today. The sessions have already started. The program schedule is here -
 https://pretalx.com/wdcon21/schedule/#2021-10-30

 Regards,
 Bodhisattwa
 ___
 Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list
 To unsubscribe send an email to
 wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
 http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
>>>
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>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
>>
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[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021

2021-10-30 Thread Ciell Wikipedia 
If I read the table correctly, it shows (lack of) different images:
overview, panorama, close-up, interior, entrance, video. That is a nice
challenge indeed, thanks for sharing the query Jan!

I remember when we did variations like this in NL, and awarded a special
prize for the best detailed image of a monument, a special prize for an
aerial image of a monument (drones!), or for an overview series of max 10
images of one monument. This query would be very helpful for those kinds of
extra prizes.

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 19:49 schreef Jan Ainali :

> One very interesting aspect that was touched upon today (I don't remember
> in which session) was the notion of going a bit deeper than just getting
> the first image of a monument.
>
> That got me inspired to experiment with this listeria list that uses many
> more relevant image properties. (Sorry for the Swedish but the SPARQL query
> in the wikitext should be language neutral.)
>
>
> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare%3AAinali%2FLista_%C3%B6ver_byggnadsminnen_i_Visby
>
> I hope that can inspire someone further
>
> Med vänliga hälsningar
> Jan Ainali
>
>
> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 19:20 skrev Ciell Wikipedia <
> ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Thanks Bodhi, they were very interesting sessions!
>>
>> I checked with the organisation and WMDE will have them all available
>> through their YT channel later, but since they are recording the whole
>> WikidataCon weekend, it will take some time to edit and upload all of the
>> material. They will become available in due time on the WMDE YT
>>  channel, and
>> I assume they'll be uploaded on Commons as well.
>>
>> Today's sessions were:
>> * Wikidata in Ireland, WLM and beyond! (Rebecca O'Neill)
>> * Structured data, structured photos – SDC for WLM (Alicia Fagerving)
>> * Structured contest data for campaigns (Susanna Ånä)
>> * Wikidata at the heart of Wiki Loves Monuments: a Brazilian experience
>> (Éder Port)
>> * Field photography in Bahia, Brazil before and after Wikidata as a tool
>> to organize Wiki Loves Monuments in Brazil (Paul Burley)
>> * Wiki Loves Monuments discussion (Rebecca, Paul, Éder)
>>
>> I think most if not all of you are on this mailing list, and I want to
>> thank you for sharing your work and enthusiasm about our photo competition
>> at today's WikidataCon! 👍
>>
>> Vriendelijke groet,
>> Ciell
>>
>>
>> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 11:49 schreef Bodhisattwa Mandal <
>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> For those who have not noticed, WikidataCon 2021 has 6 sessions on WLM
>>> today. The sessions have already started. The program schedule is here -
>>> https://pretalx.com/wdcon21/schedule/#2021-10-30
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bodhisattwa
>>> ___
>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list
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>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
>>
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[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021

2021-10-30 Thread Jan Ainali 
One very interesting aspect that was touched upon today (I don't remember
in which session) was the notion of going a bit deeper than just getting
the first image of a monument.

That got me inspired to experiment with this listeria list that uses many
more relevant image properties. (Sorry for the Swedish but the SPARQL query
in the wikitext should be language neutral.)

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare%3AAinali%2FLista_%C3%B6ver_byggnadsminnen_i_Visby

I hope that can inspire someone further

Med vänliga hälsningar
Jan Ainali


Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 19:20 skrev Ciell Wikipedia <
ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com>:

> Thanks Bodhi, they were very interesting sessions!
>
> I checked with the organisation and WMDE will have them all available
> through their YT channel later, but since they are recording the whole
> WikidataCon weekend, it will take some time to edit and upload all of the
> material. They will become available in due time on the WMDE YT
>  channel, and I
> assume they'll be uploaded on Commons as well.
>
> Today's sessions were:
> * Wikidata in Ireland, WLM and beyond! (Rebecca O'Neill)
> * Structured data, structured photos – SDC for WLM (Alicia Fagerving)
> * Structured contest data for campaigns (Susanna Ånä)
> * Wikidata at the heart of Wiki Loves Monuments: a Brazilian experience
> (Éder Port)
> * Field photography in Bahia, Brazil before and after Wikidata as a tool
> to organize Wiki Loves Monuments in Brazil (Paul Burley)
> * Wiki Loves Monuments discussion (Rebecca, Paul, Éder)
>
> I think most if not all of you are on this mailing list, and I want to
> thank you for sharing your work and enthusiasm about our photo competition
> at today's WikidataCon! 👍
>
> Vriendelijke groet,
> Ciell
>
>
> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 11:49 schreef Bodhisattwa Mandal <
> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> For those who have not noticed, WikidataCon 2021 has 6 sessions on WLM
>> today. The sessions have already started. The program schedule is here -
>> https://pretalx.com/wdcon21/schedule/#2021-10-30
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bodhisattwa
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[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021

2021-10-30 Thread Ciell Wikipedia 
Thanks Bodhi, they were very interesting sessions!

I checked with the organisation and WMDE will have them all available
through their YT channel later, but since they are recording the whole
WikidataCon weekend, it will take some time to edit and upload all of the
material. They will become available in due time on the WMDE YT
 channel, and I
assume they'll be uploaded on Commons as well.

Today's sessions were:
* Wikidata in Ireland, WLM and beyond! (Rebecca O'Neill)
* Structured data, structured photos – SDC for WLM (Alicia Fagerving)
* Structured contest data for campaigns (Susanna Ånä)
* Wikidata at the heart of Wiki Loves Monuments: a Brazilian experience
(Éder Port)
* Field photography in Bahia, Brazil before and after Wikidata as a tool to
organize Wiki Loves Monuments in Brazil (Paul Burley)
* Wiki Loves Monuments discussion (Rebecca, Paul, Éder)

I think most if not all of you are on this mailing list, and I want to
thank you for sharing your work and enthusiasm about our photo competition
at today's WikidataCon! 👍

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 11:49 schreef Bodhisattwa Mandal <
bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com>:

> Hello,
>
> For those who have not noticed, WikidataCon 2021 has 6 sessions on WLM
> today. The sessions have already started. The program schedule is here -
> https://pretalx.com/wdcon21/schedule/#2021-10-30
>
> Regards,
> Bodhisattwa
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