Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed
James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:56: On 12 May 2013 10:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:20: Sorry for the disruption to everyone's plans. If you have any questions, please do ask. Will you still make the lists and send out the notifications so that people can start planning? Yes. We're in August, so the account unifications may happen any time soon, but no notifications have been sent to users. Is the plan again to give them only few days to fix their accounts before they are messed up with? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Research:Anatomy of English Wikipedia Did You Know traffic
Hi, I posted research about the factors that may impact English Wikipedia Did You Know article traffic on the day. Because the research is a bit long, a copy of it can be found at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Anatomy_of_English_Wikipedia_Did_You_Know_traffic Summary: This research examines the traffic of 544 English Wikipedia Did You Knows to try to determine which variables play a role in the determining the number of page views an article will get on the day. It largely concludes that the number of dependent and independent variables make it to difficult to isolate specific reasons why one type of article performs better than another, though there are some general time and topics that will likely result in greater views. Any feedback is appreciated either here, on the research talk page or privately. Sincerely, Laura Hale -- twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Anthony wrote: How much padding is already inherent in HTTPS? None, which is why Ryan's Google Maps fingerprinting example works. Citation needed. Also please address https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_cipher_modes_of_operation#Padding It seems that the ciphers which run in CBC mode, at least, are padded. Wikipedia currently seems to be set to use RC4 128. I'm not sure what, if any, padding is used by that cipher. But presumably Wikipedia will switch to a better cipher if Wikimedia cares about security. We're currently have RC4 and AES ciphers in our list, but have RC4 listed first and have a server preference list to combat BEAST. TLS 1.1/1.2 are enabled and I'll be adding the GCM ciphers to the beginning of the list either during Wikimania or as soon as I get back. - Ryan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed
Bear in mind that no matter how slowly and carefull it is done, the will still be users who will claim to be surprised when it happens, and blame WMF for not informing them, unless each one who will be affected is required to acknowledge receipt of a message explaining unambiguously what will happen and what they, personally can and must do, and to state that they understand their obligations and undertake to do what is required of them within the specified time. Even then there will be some drama - it is the nature of the beast. Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:56: On 12 May 2013 10:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:20: Sorry for the disruption to everyone's plans. If you have any questions, please do ask. Will you still make the lists and send out the notifications so that people can start planning? Yes. We're in August, so the account unifications may happen any time soon, but no notifications have been sent to users. Is the plan again to give them only few days to fix their accounts before they are messed up with? It needs to be made explicit here and now that this change needs to be managed _incredibly carefully_ or it will result in very negative consequences for Wikimedia. As I understand it, many users will likely be forcibly renamed. Given that usernames are the primary source of identity on Wikimedia wikis, even if this process is carefully managed, it will still inevitably result in some users being incredibly upset at the loss of their preferred username on their home wiki. In my view, this process should move very slowly, with ample warning (six months to a year) given to any users affected. A long warning period will allow users to voluntarily rename themselves. Only after a sufficient warning period has been provided should there be any forcible renaming. The process outlined at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SUL_finalisation is currently unacceptable and needs to be rewritten. We must not have a repeat of the recent VisualEditor deployment fiasco in which arbitrary deadlines and requirements lead to thousands of Wikimedians being angry. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, MZMcBride wrote: It needs to be made explicit here and now that this change needs to be managed _incredibly carefully_ or it will result in very negative consequences for Wikimedia. [...] The process outlined at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SUL_finalisation is currently unacceptable and needs to be rewritten. We must not have a repeat of the recent VisualEditor deployment fiasco in which arbitrary deadlines and requirements lead to thousands of Wikimedians being angry. I completely agree with this. Regardless of whether any of the same people are involved, the VE deployment has used up all (and more) of the well of good feeling about the WMF. With a full compliment of good will you /might/ be able to get away with that timetable resulting in only a small number of unforgiving users and minor bad press. With the negative amounts of this resource the WMF has it would be an unmitigated disaster. The forced renaming needs to happen no earlier than the later of August 2014 or one year after individual notification. The individual notfications MUST include encouragemnt to voluntary renaming and should be sent at 1 year, 6 months, 3 months, 1 month, 2 weeks, 10 days, 5 days, 2 days and 1 day in advance of the renaming, and that is at a minimum. Remember that this is affecting real people, many of whom will already be pissed off at the Foundation for VE and this will affect them directly and individually. Forcibly changing someone's identity is about the most major thing you could possibly do. Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org www.sucs.org/~cmckenna The essential things in life are seen not with the eyes, but with the heart Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed
On 03/08/2013 09:41, Chris McKenna wrote: and should be sent at 1 year, 6 months, 3 months, 1 month, 2 weeks, 10 days, 5 days, 2 days and 1 day in advance of the renaming, and that is at a minimum. Why not ten years, or maybe twenty years just to be on the same side? /sarcasm KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Katie Chan wrote: On 03/08/2013 09:41, Chris McKenna wrote: and should be sent at 1 year, 6 months, 3 months, 1 month, 2 weeks, 10 days, 5 days, 2 days and 1 day in advance of the renaming, and that is at a minimum. Why not ten years, or maybe twenty years just to be on the same side? A year is a reasonable amount of notice to expect - it's a long time in the digital world (it is extremely rare that people are temporarily banned from en.wp for longer than this for example). Much beyond that is pointless as people wont think it's ever going to happen and will ignore it. This will happen with some people for 1 year, but less so. Remember that we want to get people on our side, so we need to work with their psychology. Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org www.sucs.org/~cmckenna The essential things in life are seen not with the eyes, but with the heart Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed
We're in August, so the account unifications may happen any time soon, but no notifications have been sent to users. Is the plan again to give them only few days to fix their accounts before they are messed up with? Nemo AFAIK, no. I can't speak for the (remaining) staff working on the project but (speaking only as a volunteer now) SULv2 and VE seem to have taken much longer than intended (the Admin Tools staff are part of both projects). I haven't worked on the remaining unification tasks since I left and there is a not inconsiderable amount of work remaining. Unless I missed it, global rename hasn't been deployed and there are some other prerequisite tools outstanding. Peter ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:19 AM, Ryan Lane rl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: It seems that the ciphers which run in CBC mode, at least, are padded. Wikipedia currently seems to be set to use RC4 128. I'm not sure what, if any, padding is used by that cipher. But presumably Wikipedia will switch to a better cipher if Wikimedia cares about security. We're currently have RC4 and AES ciphers in our list, but have RC4 listed first and have a server preference list to combat BEAST. TLS 1.1/1.2 are enabled and I'll be adding the GCM ciphers to the beginning of the list either during Wikimania or as soon as I get back. Rereading that it looks like I might have implied that Wikimedia didn't care about security. That was absolutely not my intended implication. Sorry about that. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] a compromise proposal for visual editor dogfooding
On 25 July 2013 06:29, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Why not make the visual editor the default with opt-out for 5% of newly registered editors and anonymous IP page loads, and opt-in for everyone else until there is evidence that it is not decreasing the number of edits? Meant to reply to this earlier and it got lost: I think there's a problem with any kind of A/B testing on the main site interface for more than small changes - it's that we only have one set of documentation. Wikipedia's help pages (certainly on enwiki) aren't amazing, but they are used, and people will fall back to them if they have problems using the site. Having a substantially different editing interface for a fraction of users means that there's now one more layer of confusion before (some or all) people can get help, probably leading to more abandoned edits *compared to all-in VE with documentation*. So the results would be skewed downwards; it might be a small effect, but if we're looking for a statistical difference on 5% of new edits, it might be enough to give a spurious negative result. Again, I don't think A/B testing is inherently bad, but we'd need to test an integrated environment. Where people aren't going to consult help pages (say, the login page) it's much simpler. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:19 AM, Ryan Lane rl...@wikimedia.org wrote: We're currently have RC4 and AES ciphers in our list, but have RC4 listed first and have a server preference list to combat BEAST. TLS 1.1/1.2 are enabled and I'll be adding the GCM ciphers to the beginning of the list either during Wikimania or as soon as I get back If possible, could a quick announcement be made (either here or on wikitech or on bug 52496), when we start supporting GCM? Much appreciated. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Research:Anatomy of English Wikipedia Did You Know traffic
On Saturday, August 3, 2013, Kerry Raymond wrote: Hi, Laura! Hi Kerry. Thanks for the comments. :) I wonder if a variable worth considering is the number of views of the DYK vs the average number of page views of the article(s) (per day/week/month or whatever) promoted by the DYK *before* the publication of the DYK (obviously this can only measured for expanded articles rather than new ones). The hypothesis here is that more popular topics make more popular DYKs. This is actually one of the areas that is worth looking at further. People have attempted to time DYKs to coincide with certain events. TonyTheTiger is actually very good at doing this for some his hooks. It can and sometimes does create tension in the project as people try to get things timed for these events and not everyone wants to oblige them. (One situation that particulary comes to mine is the Kony2012 article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kony_2012 where the article was stalled at DYK because a reviewer did not want to time it to coincide with an already large media blitz.) It just would require a lot of subject knowledge to do any indepth research on this topic and looking through T:TDYK to see where things are in the special holding areas often to identify some of these. Another interesting variable is number of page views of the article in the days/weeks/months after the DYK. It would be interesting to know the extent to which DYKs drive additional interest in the topic both in the short term and whether any increase in interest is sustained longer term. I would hypothesize any initial sharp increase during the DYK, with a sharp fall-off after the DYK finishes but with a small sustained elevation. Yes, my casual observation has been that historically, articles get an average page views per month bump after DYK that they do not enjoy with other processes like GA or peer review. (This casual observation and assumption further research would bear it out as likely fact is based on the fact that you have rapid content development other processes do not require, and then subsequent SEO stengthening by appearing on the front page.) I think having looked at the articles the hypothesis is true, but would need a great deal of additional data that you also have two mini traffic bumps prior to appearing at DYK, with the first being from the contributors working on the article, and the second as a result of the DYK review. It would also be interesting to see if articles mentioned in DYKs show any increased edit activity OR the creation of new inbound links to the article in the short or long term, but I am less sure about what is the baseline for comparison (given that a DYK article will have recently been created or expanded, suggesting an abnormally high level of edit activity immediately preceding the DYK). Possible proxies are articles in the same categories? The possible baseline would be new articles that meet DYK articles that do not appear at DYK or conversely comparing the article's editing history in several periods: Before DYK work, during DYK expansion, during DYK review, the day of and the week after DYK review, and the two month period after the DYK. (I had actually considered doing this type of research to look at the contributions and DYK, but it would serve a completely different purpose. Hence, it would need to be retooled. I think this could potentially be one of the strengths of DYK that people fail to consider in that it does give new articles of a slightly higher caliber more eyes and potential contributors from the established editing pool than the article would otherwise get. I would love to see someone do research on the contribution effect of DYK, especially say if they could possibly compare it to other processes in terms of contributor participation. Sincerely, Laura Hale -- -- mobile: 635209416 twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] a compromise proposal for visual editor dogfooding
Op 2013/08/03 6:58, Andrew Gray schreef: I think there's a problem with any kind of A/B testing on the main site interface for more than small changes - it's that we only have one set of documentation. Wikipedia's help pages (certainly on enwiki) aren't amazing, but they are used, and people will fall back to them if they have problems using the site. That's one of the biggest chicken-and-egg problems in this whole deployment: those help pages are exclusively maintained by editors. Until there's a substantial body of volunteers that believe that updating the help pages to match VE is a worthwhile endeavour, the pages will remain at the current version, which means that all new editors can only get help if they don't use VE. That makes it hard to ever find a group of people that thinks updating the documentation is worth the effort. KWW ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] הודעה על מינוי מתאמת פעילות
שלום חברים, קודם כל הרשו לי להתנצל על אי הזמינות שלי לחלקכם בזמן האחרון. בחיים הפרטיים, העסקיים, וגם בחיי העמותה, אני נמצא תחת עומס גדול (חלקו גם נובע מהעדכון הבא) ואני מנסה לתמרן בין כל המחוייבויות. במהלך השבת ניסתי להשיב לכל האימיילים הפתוחים, אם לא התייחסתי עד כה לנושא פתוח שהעלתם - בבקשה תזכרו אותי. החודש החליט הוועד, לאחר תהליך מאוד ארוך של ריאיונות על מינוי מנהלת פעילות חדשה לעמותה. תכירו את מיכל לסטר לוי. מיכל, תושבת תל אביב, שימשה עד כה כמנהלת תחום צעירים בג'וינט ישראל - במסגרת זו אחראית מיכל על אזור מרכז של מרכזי הצעירים ומשמשת גם כמנהלת תחום קשרי עסקים וקהילה. קודם לכן, גם במסגרת הג'וינט, ניהלה את המרכז למנהיגות מתנדבת עש פני וסטיבן ויינברג - מרכז המוביל בשינוי תרבות ארגונית במגזר השלישי בישראל על ידי שינוי וחיזוק הסטטוס של ועדים מנהלים בעמותות. מיכל פעילה בהתנדבות גם בקבוצת מעש - התארגנות אזרחית הפועלת להתחדשות השירות הציבורי והיתה במשך 6 שנים יור עמותת נשים לגופן, עמותה המובילה שינוי בתפיסת בריאות, הגוף והמיניות בישראל. מיכל תיכנס בפועל לתפקידה ב-1.9, עם סיום תקופת עבודתה בג'וינט. עד אז תמשיך מיכל להיפגש עם חברי הוועד ובעלי תפקידים מרכזיים כחלק מהחפיפה שלה לתפקיד ותלווה את הוועד בבניית תכנית העבודה ל-2014 שתוגש ל-FDC ב-1.10. מיכל זמינה באימייל שלה, mles...@wikimedia.org.il ובטלפון 050-8996046. אך אני מבקש כי תמנעו מלעלות נושאי עבודה איתה עד אשר תחל בפועל לעבוד. אנו מאמינים במיכל, שהביעה עניין ורצון רב להשתלב בפעילות העמותה, ומקווים יחד איתה לקדם הרבה נושאים מנהלתיים ותפעוליים בעמותה שעד כה הוקפאו עקב חוסר זמן ומגבלת כוח אדם מקצועי. בהצלחה מיכל - Sent from my mobile device. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] הודעה על מינוי מתאמת פעילות
Congratulations, Wikimedia Israel! So good to hear that you hired a new ED. And welcome to the Wikimedia universe, Michal. Looking forward to working with you. Cheers, Nicole 2013/8/3 Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il: שלום חברים, קודם כל הרשו לי להתנצל על אי הזמינות שלי לחלקכם בזמן האחרון. בחיים הפרטיים, העסקיים, וגם בחיי העמותה, אני נמצא תחת עומס גדול (חלקו גם נובע מהעדכון הבא) ואני מנסה לתמרן בין כל המחוייבויות. במהלך השבת ניסתי להשיב לכל האימיילים הפתוחים, אם לא התייחסתי עד כה לנושא פתוח שהעלתם - בבקשה תזכרו אותי. החודש החליט הוועד, לאחר תהליך מאוד ארוך של ריאיונות על מינוי מנהלת פעילות חדשה לעמותה. תכירו את מיכל לסטר לוי. מיכל, תושבת תל אביב, שימשה עד כה כמנהלת תחום צעירים בג'וינט ישראל - במסגרת זו אחראית מיכל על אזור מרכז של מרכזי הצעירים ומשמשת גם כמנהלת תחום קשרי עסקים וקהילה. קודם לכן, גם במסגרת הג'וינט, ניהלה את המרכז למנהיגות מתנדבת עש פני וסטיבן ויינברג - מרכז המוביל בשינוי תרבות ארגונית במגזר השלישי בישראל על ידי שינוי וחיזוק הסטטוס של ועדים מנהלים בעמותות. מיכל פעילה בהתנדבות גם בקבוצת מעש - התארגנות אזרחית הפועלת להתחדשות השירות הציבורי והיתה במשך 6 שנים יור עמותת נשים לגופן, עמותה המובילה שינוי בתפיסת בריאות, הגוף והמיניות בישראל. מיכל תיכנס בפועל לתפקידה ב-1.9, עם סיום תקופת עבודתה בג'וינט. עד אז תמשיך מיכל להיפגש עם חברי הוועד ובעלי תפקידים מרכזיים כחלק מהחפיפה שלה לתפקיד ותלווה את הוועד בבניית תכנית העבודה ל-2014 שתוגש ל-FDC ב-1.10. מיכל זמינה באימייל שלה, mles...@wikimedia.org.il ובטלפון 050-8996046. אך אני מבקש כי תמנעו מלעלות נושאי עבודה איתה עד אשר תחל בפועל לעבוד. אנו מאמינים במיכל, שהביעה עניין ורצון רב להשתלב בפעילות העמותה, ומקווים יחד איתה לקדם הרבה נושאים מנהלתיים ותפעוליים בעמותה שעד כה הוקפאו עקב חוסר זמן ומגבלת כוח אדם מקצועי. בהצלחה מיכל - Sent from my mobile device. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Nicole Ebber International Affairs Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49 30 219158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] a compromise proposal for visual editor dogfooding
On 3 August 2013 17:51, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: That's one of the biggest chicken-and-egg problems in this whole deployment: those help pages are exclusively maintained by editors. Until there's a substantial body of volunteers that believe that updating the help pages to match VE is a worthwhile endeavour, the pages will remain at the current version, which means that all new editors can only get help if they don't use VE. That makes it hard to ever find a group of people that thinks updating the documentation is worth the effort. At the moment we seem to have a marvellous inconsistency (perhaps this is A/B testing help pages...) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial/Editing - new environment, noting both and recommending VE, but only updated 9th July https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing - old style, with 135 word (!) notice at the top about VE I wonder sometimes if maintaining help/documentation pages would be a sensible thing for WMF to have a (part?) time staffer working on, but I guess this gets into the muddy area of paying people for volunteer tasks -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] a compromise proposal for visual editor dogfooding
On 3 August 2013 18:46, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I wonder sometimes if maintaining help/documentation pages would be a sensible thing for WMF to have a (part?) time staffer working on, but I guess this gets into the muddy area of paying people for volunteer tasks The trouble is (1) there's ten years' volunteer effort in the old how-to pages, (2) the VE interface isn't even finished yet (I certainly hope it isn't, anyway) (3) to the extent the VE needs a manual, it's not a good interface. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] a compromise proposal for visual editor dogfooding
On 3 August 2013 18:50, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 August 2013 18:46, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I wonder sometimes if maintaining help/documentation pages would be a sensible thing for WMF to have a (part?) time staffer working on, but I guess this gets into the muddy area of paying people for volunteer tasks The trouble is (1) there's ten years' volunteer effort in the old how-to pages, (2) the VE interface isn't even finished yet (I certainly hope it isn't, anyway) (3) to the extent the VE needs a manual, it's not a good interface. Yes and no. *Wikipedia* needs an interface manual. The standard page has twenty visible interface links, another sixteen or so in collapsible sidebar sections, ten in the footer, however many language links, and goodness knows what else from sitenotices or boxes on the page itself. The actual mechanism you use to edit is almost secondary to this problem, but if you've gone back to a manual in order to find so, how do I do this, you're going to get really thrown if there's two buttons where it says there's one, or if you don't get the wall of weird text it's told you the editing page looks like... etc etc. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] הודעה על מינוי מתאמת פעילות
Oops! Sent it from my phone to the Wikimedia-L instead to our chapter mailing list. Sorry about that :) But as Nicole already mention, we hired a new ED, Michal Lester Levy, she not yet subscribed this mailing list as I didn't planned to announce it publicly yet and what to give her some time to enter the job before jumping to our international mailing lists, but oops, it happened. Anyway, I will give summary of the email that I intended to sent to our chapter member: Michal will starts to work with us on Sep 1st. Prior to joining Wikimedia, Michal served as regional director and head of two national programs at JDC’s Centers for Young Adults (CYA). In this capacity, she was responsible for all the activities of all 10 CYAs in the central region of Israel. Previously, within the scope of her activities at the JDC, Michal established and managed The Penni and Stephen Weinberg Center for Lay Leadership. The center is the first-of-its-kind in Israel being dedicated to lay leadership growth and change. She serves as a board member at Jindas, the nonprofit organization for urban renewal in the city of Lod. Earlier, she served as co-chair of ”Women to their Bodies”, a women's NGO working to promote comprehensive social change in regard of the health attitudes of Israeli women, both Jewish and Arab. Good luck to Michal and good luck to Wikimedia Israel :) 2013/8/3 Nicole Ebber nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de Congratulations, Wikimedia Israel! So good to hear that you hired a new ED. And welcome to the Wikimedia universe, Michal. Looking forward to working with you. Cheers, Nicole 2013/8/3 Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il: שלום חברים, קודם כל הרשו לי להתנצל על אי הזמינות שלי לחלקכם בזמן האחרון. בחיים הפרטיים, העסקיים, וגם בחיי העמותה, אני נמצא תחת עומס גדול (חלקו גם נובע מהעדכון הבא) ואני מנסה לתמרן בין כל המחוייבויות. במהלך השבת ניסתי להשיב לכל האימיילים הפתוחים, אם לא התייחסתי עד כה לנושא פתוח שהעלתם - בבקשה תזכרו אותי. החודש החליט הוועד, לאחר תהליך מאוד ארוך של ריאיונות על מינוי מנהלת פעילות חדשה לעמותה. תכירו את מיכל לסטר לוי. מיכל, תושבת תל אביב, שימשה עד כה כמנהלת תחום צעירים בג'וינט ישראל - במסגרת זו אחראית מיכל על אזור מרכז של מרכזי הצעירים ומשמשת גם כמנהלת תחום קשרי עסקים וקהילה. קודם לכן, גם במסגרת הג'וינט, ניהלה את המרכז למנהיגות מתנדבת עש פני וסטיבן ויינברג - מרכז המוביל בשינוי תרבות ארגונית במגזר השלישי בישראל על ידי שינוי וחיזוק הסטטוס של ועדים מנהלים בעמותות. מיכל פעילה בהתנדבות גם בקבוצת מעש - התארגנות אזרחית הפועלת להתחדשות השירות הציבורי והיתה במשך 6 שנים יור עמותת נשים לגופן, עמותה המובילה שינוי בתפיסת בריאות, הגוף והמיניות בישראל. מיכל תיכנס בפועל לתפקידה ב-1.9, עם סיום תקופת עבודתה בג'וינט. עד אז תמשיך מיכל להיפגש עם חברי הוועד ובעלי תפקידים מרכזיים כחלק מהחפיפה שלה לתפקיד ותלווה את הוועד בבניית תכנית העבודה ל-2014 שתוגש ל-FDC ב-1.10. מיכל זמינה באימייל שלה, mles...@wikimedia.org.il ובטלפון 050-8996046. אך אני מבקש כי תמנעו מלעלות נושאי עבודה איתה עד אשר תחל בפועל לעבוד. אנו מאמינים במיכל, שהביעה עניין ורצון רב להשתלב בפעילות העמותה, ומקווים יחד איתה לקדם הרבה נושאים מנהלתיים ותפעוליים בעמותה שעד כה הוקפאו עקב חוסר זמן ומגבלת כוח אדם מקצועי. בהצלחה מיכל - Sent from my mobile device. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Nicole Ebber International Affairs Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49 30 219158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the WP will never be a real encyclopaedia
Rui (and list) there is a myth about articles that are sacrosanct - which is not to say that there aren't such articles, though the examples you gave don't stand up to much scrutiny. It would be useful to conduct some research on the whole corpus to evaluate this hypothesis and give some upper and lower bounds for the populaiton, and to establish some sample lists for qualitative examination. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
