Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

[Risker]

On 1 June 2014 01:39, Fæ  wrote:

> On 1 June 2014 04:26, James Salsman  wrote:
> ...
> >>... selects strongly against women.
> >
> > Where is the evidence that women have more difficulty understanding
> > wikitext than men?
>
> (Probably drifting to "Increase participation by women")
>
> As someone who has run editathons on women focused topics, I found
> this an odd comment that does not match anecdotal experience. New
> women users seem little different to men in the issues that arise, and
> though I have found myself apologising for the slightly odd syntax,
> given the standard crib-sheet most users get on with basic article
> creation quite happily.
>
> There are far more commonly raised issues such as the complex issues
> associated with image upload (copyright!), or the conceptual
> difficulty of "namespaces" which mean that some webpages behave
> differently to others. None is something that appears to "select
> strongly against women", though the encyclopedia's way of defining
> notability can make it harder to create articles about pre-1970s
> professional women, purely because sources from earlier periods tend
> to be biased towards men.
>
> If there are surveys that wiki-syntax is more of a barrier for women
> than men (after discounting out other factors), perhaps someone could
> provide a link?
>
>

Fae, I don't know if wiki-syntax in and of itself is more of a barrier for
women than men.  What I do know is that wiki-syntax is a lot harder today
than it was when I started editing 8 years ago, and that today I would
consider it more akin to computer programming than content creation.  That
is where the barrier comes in.

The statistics for percentage of women employed in computer-related
technology is abysmal; we all know that. Even organizations that actively
seek out qualified women (including Wikimedia, I'll point out) can't come
close to filling all the slots they'd willingly open, because there simply
aren't that many qualified women.  They're not filling the seats in college
and university programs, either.

Eight years ago, only about a quarter of English Wikipedia articles had an
infobox - that huge pile of wiki-syntax that is at the top of the
overwhelming majority of articles today.  There were not a lot of
templates; certainly the monstrous templates at the bottom of most articles
today didn't exist then.  The syntax for creating references was
essentially  insert url ; today there is a plethora of complex
referencing templates, some of which are so complex and non-intuitive that
only a small minority of *wikipedians* can use them effectively.  I know
wiki-syntax, and I have found it increasingly more difficult to edit as
time has gone on.  I don't think it's because I'm a woman, I think it's
because I'm not a programmer - and women who *are* programmers are only a
small minority of all programmers, so it follows that women are less likely
to have the skills that will help them sort through what they see when they
click "Edit".

It's exactly why I've been following and keeping up with the development of
VisualEditor - because I believe it will make it easier for those who
aren't particularly technically inclined to contribute to the project.  I
believe it's the route to attracting a more diverse editing population,
including but not limited to women.  And I think that it's pretty close to
being ready for hands-on use by those who are new to our projects, now that
it can handle pretty well most of the essential editing tasks.  It's not
perfect, but it's getting there.

Risker/Anne
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation

[ENWP Pine]

> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 06:39:38 +0100
> From: Fæ 
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> On 1 June 2014 04:26, James Salsman  wrote:
> ...
> >>... selects strongly against women.
> >
> > Where is the evidence that women have more difficulty understanding
> > wikitext than men?
> 
> (Probably drifting to "Increase participation by women")
> 
> As someone who has run editathons on women focused topics, I found
> this an odd comment that does not match anecdotal experience. New
> women users seem little different to men in the issues that arise, and
> though I have found myself apologising for the slightly odd syntax,
> given the standard crib-sheet most users get on with basic article
> creation quite happily.
> 
> There are far more commonly raised issues such as the complex issues
> associated with image upload (copyright!), or the conceptual
> difficulty of "namespaces" which mean that some webpages behave
> differently to others. None is something that appears to "select
> strongly against women", though the encyclopedia's way of defining
> notability can make it harder to create articles about pre-1970s
> professional women, purely because sources from earlier periods tend
> to be biased towards men.
> 
> If there are surveys that wiki-syntax is more of a barrier for women
> than men (after discounting out other factors), perhaps someone could
> provide a link?
> 
> Fae

FWIW, I think that Lila said at the Zurich hackathon that she had found 
research indicating that fewer women click the "edit" button than men do. That 
sounds like a phenomenon that could use some research and experimentation. 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2014-05-10_Wikimedia_Hackathon_Lila_Tretikov.webm


Also, the Individual Engagement Grants Committee and WMF have funded a research 
project in this IEG round focused on women's participation. 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_and_Wikipedia

Pine
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

[Delphine Ménard]

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Bence Damokos  wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
>> I'm still stuck on "bylaws".  Why is AffCom asking for bylaws?
>>
>  Depends on the context.
>
> We do review them, or at least try to, whenever a group (chapter, user
> group, thematic organisation) decides to have them, in order to make sure
> they comply with with the requirements for the given affiliate type and
> some general best practices. If a user group doesn't have a bylaw, then we
> are not asking them to create one - in fact, the choice over bylaws was one
> of the original design points for the user group model.

I'll also add, Risker, for clarity, that User Groups may use Wikimedia
trademarks. As such, if the group seeking User Group recognition is a
registered association, it makes sense to ask to review their bylaws.
Imagine the AAA - "Association for Authors' Attribution" - asking for
User Group status. It so happens that their real aim is not "enforce
attribution for authorship in free licenses" but "extend copyright for
centuries after author's death", it might make sense to actually have
a look at their existing bylaws before granting them the right to use
Wikimedia's name.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

[Fæ]

On 1 June 2014 04:26, James Salsman  wrote:
...
>>... selects strongly against women.
>
> Where is the evidence that women have more difficulty understanding
> wikitext than men?

(Probably drifting to "Increase participation by women")

As someone who has run editathons on women focused topics, I found
this an odd comment that does not match anecdotal experience. New
women users seem little different to men in the issues that arise, and
though I have found myself apologising for the slightly odd syntax,
given the standard crib-sheet most users get on with basic article
creation quite happily.

There are far more commonly raised issues such as the complex issues
associated with image upload (copyright!), or the conceptual
difficulty of "namespaces" which mean that some webpages behave
differently to others. None is something that appears to "select
strongly against women", though the encyclopedia's way of defining
notability can make it harder to create articles about pre-1970s
professional women, purely because sources from earlier periods tend
to be biased towards men.

If there are surveys that wiki-syntax is more of a barrier for women
than men (after discounting out other factors), perhaps someone could
provide a link?

Fae
-- 
fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

[James Salsman]

> (non-CS) engineer friends ... upon hitting that edit button,
> basically went "Gak!  No way!"

Wikitext is simpler than what phototypesetter operators in the
1960s-1990s had to deal with, and they had a much better gender
balance.

> Wikitext resitricts editing to pretty much only "computer science
> professionals, highly computer-literate professionals (which excludes
> most of Academia -- have you ever done IT support for a university?),
> and westerners with enough leisure time to learn it the hard way".

There are abundant counter-examples.

>... selects strongly against women.

Where is the evidence that women have more difficulty understanding
wikitext than men?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 05/31/2014 08:27 PM, James Salsman wrote:
> Individual editors' skill with wikitext should be independent of
> almost all of the systemic biases from which we suffer [...]

Seriously?

I have (non-CS) engineer friends that, upon hitting that edit button,
basically went "Gak!  No way!"

Wikitext resitricts editing to pretty much only "computer science
professionals, highly computer-literate professionals (which excludes
most of Academia -- have you ever done IT support for a university?),
and westerners with enough leisure time to learn it the hard way".

This is, optimistically, 1-2% of the world, only a small fraction of
which are women.

There's no way to *not* have a catastrophic systemic bias with those
demographics that pretty much excludes the vast majority of academia,
most cultures, and selects strongly against women.

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

[James Salsman]

> "being able to figure out wikitext" might be a good attribute,
> but making it a requirement pretty much sacrifices any hope
> we have of getting rid of our systemic bias

Individual editors' skill with wikitext should be independent of
almost all of the systemic biases from which we suffer except perhaps
math articles with sections ordered by utility to the typical reader.
The effect, if it exists, should be stronger on the Simple English
Wikipedia.

I'm not opposed to further improvements and measurements of the Visual
Editor, but I am opposed to the absence of honest cost-benefit
evaluations of supplemental opportunities for increasing
participation.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil

[Lodewijk]

Hi Rodrigo,

asking questions about a WLM competition would be the right time now
indeed. But then you should phrase your questions that way: are they still
planning to organize a WLM, how can you help them and what are they
planning budget/prize wise. You could also suggest to plan an evaluation
moment between those two, to evaluate for example the prizes.

Whether it is a chapter, WMF project or something else shouldn't matter (if
it does, it usually is a sign something goes wrong).

I'm just saying that complaining about the WLE competition right now is
unhelpful - nothing is going to change anyway because the competition is
already underway. In that case, it is more effective to wait until it is
finished so that you can evaluate, and learn from it. You could focus right
now on formulating questions to ask during evaluation. If you share those
in advance, people can already think a bit about them.

This is not a matter of caring or not caring - this is a matter of being
effective and efficient.

Best,
Lodewijk


2014-06-01 2:06 GMT+02:00 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com>:

> Well Lodewijk, they announce the values during the WLE, not before to
> discuss (I wrote that in Meta), and more, they are trying to do a event
> after the WLE that will cost ~9000 USD.
> And they promised to do a WLM too, how much money they will spend on that
> too. Furthermore, I tried to do in the soft way, asking they in the page of
> the event, they blocked my for no reason, the reason given was "you are not
> welcome"...
>
> Remember, this is not a Wikimedia Chapter, this is the Brazil Program (WMF
> project) the are doing this event, without accountability, discussion with
> any community, transparency...
>
> We could not do that before because they did had not opened how much they
> would spend, and we can't wait moths to do, because we are not that far
> from WLM, and always have some guys saying "this already go, doesn't
> matter"...
>
> If we do not care, who will care?
>
>
> On 31 May 2014 06:37, Lodewijk  wrote:
>
> > Dear Rodrigo,
> >
> > As you probably realize, the Wiki Loves Earth competition is ongoing
> > already - and it is highly unlikely that things will change /during/ the
> > competition. Raising this right now, in this aggressive way (not going
> > towards a solution) is primarily obstructive.
> >
> > What would be much more constructive is if you either decide to invest
> your
> > effort in making this investment worth while (increase the impact), or to
> > help during the evaluation/next time's organization. That way you can
> > actually impact the way money is being spent, and volunteers are being
> > empowered effectively.
> >
> > Unless I'm missing something (what you're actually trying to accomplish)
> > this is probably the least impactful moment to have this discussion - a
> few
> > months earlier or later would have been.
> >
> > Best,
> > Lodewijk
> >
> >
> > 2014-05-31 3:50 GMT+02:00 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > "way the topic was raised." funny
> > >
> > > Thank you Jaime Anstee, Lodewijk for the explanation and context.
> > >
> > > I don't if Mr. Alvarenga can see, but "I don't criticize the
> organizers,
> > > they are newbies in the Wikimedia movement", is one of the main
> problems
> > > here, why they can have the power spend this money without consulting,
> > your
> > > point increase the size of this issue, if they don't know what they are
> > > doing, why they can manage/access this quantity of money?
> > > And find for me photo contest in Brazil manage by NGOs without partners
> > > that hits this quantity of money, and this is just the prize, the whole
> > > contest was evaluated in 30'850,00 reais ~14'000.00 dollars...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 30 May 2014 15:18, Everton Zanella Alvarenga <
> > > everton.alvare...@okfn.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I have no idea about the prizes for other places to compare, but I
> > > > must say 10k reais (~5k USD) is a small amount of money for the value
> > > > generate by this type of competition, in my opinion.
> > > >
> > > > At the moment I am running through the organization I coordinate a
> > > > challenge which will give prizes of this order, although we won't
> give
> > > > it in cash, but a trip to Open Knowledge Festival
> > > >  next July, books and games, all
> > > > catalysing the creative use of technology and free software. And this
> > > > is from a very tiny organization 6 month old.
> > > >
> > > > The results from this competition led by the education program
> > > > coordinator in Brazil seems good so far. I think one thing that could
> > > > be improved was to consult the community in a more open way to avoid
> > > > the actual wikidramas and I tend not to like prizes in cash, but
> > > > simbolic one, like a trip to Wikimania would make much more sense for
> > > > me or some prize related to photograph.
> > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil

[Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton]

Well Lodewijk, they announce the values during the WLE, not before to
discuss (I wrote that in Meta), and more, they are trying to do a event
after the WLE that will cost ~9000 USD.
And they promised to do a WLM too, how much money they will spend on that
too. Furthermore, I tried to do in the soft way, asking they in the page of
the event, they blocked my for no reason, the reason given was "you are not
welcome"...

Remember, this is not a Wikimedia Chapter, this is the Brazil Program (WMF
project) the are doing this event, without accountability, discussion with
any community, transparency...

We could not do that before because they did had not opened how much they
would spend, and we can't wait moths to do, because we are not that far
from WLM, and always have some guys saying "this already go, doesn't
matter"...

If we do not care, who will care?


On 31 May 2014 06:37, Lodewijk  wrote:

> Dear Rodrigo,
>
> As you probably realize, the Wiki Loves Earth competition is ongoing
> already - and it is highly unlikely that things will change /during/ the
> competition. Raising this right now, in this aggressive way (not going
> towards a solution) is primarily obstructive.
>
> What would be much more constructive is if you either decide to invest your
> effort in making this investment worth while (increase the impact), or to
> help during the evaluation/next time's organization. That way you can
> actually impact the way money is being spent, and volunteers are being
> empowered effectively.
>
> Unless I'm missing something (what you're actually trying to accomplish)
> this is probably the least impactful moment to have this discussion - a few
> months earlier or later would have been.
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
>
> 2014-05-31 3:50 GMT+02:00 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com>:
>
> > "way the topic was raised." funny
> >
> > Thank you Jaime Anstee, Lodewijk for the explanation and context.
> >
> > I don't if Mr. Alvarenga can see, but "I don't criticize the organizers,
> > they are newbies in the Wikimedia movement", is one of the main problems
> > here, why they can have the power spend this money without consulting,
> your
> > point increase the size of this issue, if they don't know what they are
> > doing, why they can manage/access this quantity of money?
> > And find for me photo contest in Brazil manage by NGOs without partners
> > that hits this quantity of money, and this is just the prize, the whole
> > contest was evaluated in 30'850,00 reais ~14'000.00 dollars...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 30 May 2014 15:18, Everton Zanella Alvarenga <
> > everton.alvare...@okfn.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have no idea about the prizes for other places to compare, but I
> > > must say 10k reais (~5k USD) is a small amount of money for the value
> > > generate by this type of competition, in my opinion.
> > >
> > > At the moment I am running through the organization I coordinate a
> > > challenge which will give prizes of this order, although we won't give
> > > it in cash, but a trip to Open Knowledge Festival
> > >  next July, books and games, all
> > > catalysing the creative use of technology and free software. And this
> > > is from a very tiny organization 6 month old.
> > >
> > > The results from this competition led by the education program
> > > coordinator in Brazil seems good so far. I think one thing that could
> > > be improved was to consult the community in a more open way to avoid
> > > the actual wikidramas and I tend not to like prizes in cash, but
> > > simbolic one, like a trip to Wikimania would make much more sense for
> > > me or some prize related to photograph.
> > >
> > > I don't criticize the organizers, they are newbies in the Wikimedia
> > > movement and let's assume good faith, but I think it's a good
> > > opportunity to discuss the issue globally, although the way the topic
> > > was raised.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC related announcements: Letter of Intent, Selection of New Members, FDC Advisory Group Review

[Lodewijk]

As you're sending this announcement email on June 1 (well, in my timezone)
and as that is a Sunday (in my timezone, a day off), I guess June 8 would
definitely be more reasonable, even though I expect most FDC-chapters will
have been working on the letter already.

I'm guessing the email got delayed a bit :)

Lodewijk


2014-05-31 17:17 GMT+02:00 Anasuya Sengupta :

> Hi all,
>
> It's been pointed out to us that the deadline for the Letter of Intent in
> one place on the FDC portal (undergoing redesign) was June 8 rather than
> June 1, and that caused some confusion. Our apologies. We're more than
> happy to accommodate any organisations affected by this. Please let us know
> if this is the case for you. We'll continue to keep the default option as
> June 1, but leave time for organisations that have been working to a June 8
> schedule.
>
> Indeed, some of you have already reached out and asked for a little
> flexibility; based on this, we'll confirm the final list on June 8.
>
> Thanks,
> Anasuya
> On 13 May 2014 17:30, "Anasuya Sengupta"  wrote:
>
> > Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
> >
> > I’d like to share a few upcoming milestones with you.
> >
> > The deadline for the Letter of Intent for the next round of proposals in
> > 2014-2015 Round 1 is June 1, 2014. The Letter of Intent[1] is the first
> > step required for eligible Wikimedia organizations[2] to submit an annual
> > plan grant proposal to the FDC. The Letter of Intent is a simple letter
> > that indicates interest in applying for funds in the upcoming round. It
> is
> > non-binding, but is a required first step. The one exception to this
> > deadline will be for any current applicants in the current 2013-2014
> Round
> > 2 cycle: if any current applicants choose to submit a proposal in Round 1
> > as a result of the decision in the current round, they will have an
> > extension through July 8 to declare this intent.
> >
> > In July 2014, four new members of the Wikimedia community will be
> > appointed to the Funds Dissemination Committee by the WMF Board of
> > Trustees. In 2013, two members were elected by the community to join the
> > inaugural seven members, bringing the total to nine members. This year,
> > four current members will be replaced by four new members who will be
> > appointed by the WMF. These four newly appointed members will join
> current
> > members Cristian Consonni (CristianCantoro), Dariusz Jemielniak (Pundit),
> > Ali Haidar Khan (Tonmoy), Delphine Menard (notafish), and Sydney Poore
> > (FloNight). We will be sending out more information shortly about how and
> > where you can express interest in joining the committee. You can read
> more
> > about the committee’s roles, requirements, and expectations on Meta[3] .
> In
> > 2015, five new members of the FDC will be elected by the community.
> >
> > Finally, the Funds Dissemination Advisory Group[4] will be meeting at the
> > end of May to review the first two years of the FDC process. As per the
> FDC
> > framework,[5] they will be advising WMF’s Executive Director on whether
> to
> > proceed with this grantmaking program and what improvements to make to
> the
> > process.
> >
> >  As always, if you have questions, please don’t hesitate to contact me
> > and my colleagues at fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org.
> >
> > Warmly,
> >
> > Anasuya
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent
> >
> >
> > [2]
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/Eligibility_criteria
> >
> > [3]
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Funds_Dissemination_Committee
> >
> > [4]
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/FDC_Advisory_Group
> >
> > [5]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > *Anasuya SenguptaSenior Director of Grantmaking Wikimedia Foundation*
> >
> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> > the sum of all knowledge.  Help us make it a reality!
> > Support Wikimedia 
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

[Bence Damokos]

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter 
wrote:

> > Obviously, having more user groups would be great, but we do not
> currently
> > know how many are not being created due to the process.
> > It is entirely possible, that the creation of active user groups (without
> > further investments and interventions into seeding communities) is
> > currently maxed out already.
> This cannot be true because we know of at least one group with established
> contact, a web page and a history of projects which is NOT recognized. If
> even one group, especially one with a track record, is being marginalized
> under the current process, that process needs to be looked at.

 Leigh, I understand your frustration, and I am sorry that the recognition
process for your group has not finished yet, nor have we given a definite
answer. For the purposes of this public discussion a focus on the more
general topic may be helpful. The marginal utility of publicly poking us is
decreasing fast and slowly turning into the negative, I am afraid. We may
take it as read that AffCom is not perfect.

> If I understand the rest of Bence's email, the issues seem to be that 1)
> approving more groups may mean a higher rate of failure and 2) more groups
> means that resources (time, money) will be taken from established groups.
> If these are the main concerns, why create the categories of thematic
> groups and user groups in the first place?   Why does AffComm place a
> higher priority on already-recognized groups over those looking already
> working but lacking the same status?  Is anyone on AffCom not already part
> of a chapter or other recognized affiliate?  If not, who speaks for those
> who are still outside the system?
>
My main point was that there is more to creating an ecosystem of successful
user groups than just recognising more groups. There is a need for an
extended support system, and the movement is putting more and more
attention towards this issue in recent years -- the liaison system that
this thread is originally about is one such step that the AffCom is working
on, but there is a wider picture with on-going efforts by other volunteers,
chapters, and the WMF. Similarly, there is an on-going, perhaps multi-year
conversation around what level of resources to channel into this area --
perhaps one of the main outcomes, thanks to the support of the WMF, is that
AffCom is given more resources to work with (access to staff and Board;
ability to provide scholarships and endorse grants, etc.).

In these developments and processes, it is important to note that there
does not seem to be a constraint, where support to one type of affiliate
limits available support to other types of affiliates. There is however a
possible constraint in the overall number of affiliates we could handle
with the current levels of resources and structures and we have not bumped
into those caps yet, and will likely won't in the foreseeable future.
Changing the rate at which we add new affiliates from dozens a year to say
a hundred, would be a change that could strain our systems -- a change that
would be worth it if we had hundreds of Wikimedia communities that we could
empower thusly.

You can learn more about the background of AffCom members at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Members, you will
see that people come with diverse background, but nobody is there to
represent a particular niche, per se. We do try to consider what the
various stakeholders might think, and then we usually ask them to check if
we were correct (like in the recent RFC on user group logos, or the
sessions we had with the attendees and WMF Board at the Wikimedia
Conference in Berlin).

Best regards,
Bence
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

[Bence Damokos]

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Risker  wrote:

> I'm still stuck on "bylaws".  Why is AffCom asking for bylaws?
>
 Depends on the context.

We do review them, or at least try to, whenever a group (chapter, user
group, thematic organisation) decides to have them, in order to make sure
they comply with with the requirements for the given affiliate type and
some general best practices. If a user group doesn't have a bylaw, then we
are not asking them to create one - in fact, the choice over bylaws was one
of the original design points for the user group model.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

[Risker]

I'm still stuck on "bylaws".  Why is AffCom asking for bylaws?


Risker

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

[Leigh Thelmadatter]

> Obviously, having more user groups would be great, but we do not currently
> know how many are not being created due to the process.
> It is entirely possible, that the creation of active user groups (without
> further investments and interventions into seeding communities) is
> currently maxed out already. 
This cannot be true because we know of at least one group with established 
contact, a web page and a history of projects which is NOT recognized. If even 
one group, especially one with a track record, is being marginalized under the 
current process, that process needs to be looked at.

If I understand the rest of Bence's email, the issues seem to be that 1) 
approving more groups may mean a higher rate of failure and 2) more groups 
means that resources (time, money) will be taken from established groups.
If these are the main concerns, why create the categories of thematic groups 
and user groups in the first place?   Why does AffComm place a higher priority 
on already-recognized groups over those looking already working but lacking the 
same status?  Is anyone on AffCom not already part of a chapter or other 
recognized affiliate?  If not, who speaks for those who are still outside the 
system?









> From: bdamo...@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 14:17:13 +0200
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons
> 
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Samuel Klein  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:
> >
> > > Also, somewhat unfortunately in my view, there is a requirement for user
> > > groups is to have a "history of projects", which was not further defined
> > > but in theory makes it impossible to form a user group before there has
> > > been a "history".
> >
> > I see, thank you for explaining.  I believe this refers to the language in
> >
> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognizing_Models_of_Affiliations
> >
> > Would it be more helpful if the clause you mention were changed to
> > read "an established contact person and a wikipage describing the
> > group's activity"?  I believe that is equally representative of the
> > thinking behind the resolution.
> >
> > If the the Board can remedy unfortunate wording that is slowing things
> > down, I will propose a change right away.
> >
> Yes, that would be an improvement and closer to the current interpretation.
> 
> 
> >
> > > In any case, the more automation and simplification we can introduce into
> > > the process, the better.
> >
> > Agreed.  :)
> >
> >
> > Greg writes:
> > > Bence describes it a bit more, but basically a request comes in, someone
> > is
> > > assigned it, we ask them some questions, if that person feels okay or
> > > doesn't have questions, they send the info to the group, post a
> > resolution,
> > > and we vote.
> >
> > If the process can't be done in a single pass, it's probably too
> > complicated.
> >
> > Compare the process of forming a Meetup group.  There are basic
> > standards of behavior and usage -- applied via review after the fact,
> > soft-security style -- and measures of activity.  But as soon as you
> > finish filling out a form describing your group, it has been created +
> > is visible online + has its events included in a global calendar, and
> > starts to get updates and support.
> >
> I might be mistaken, but meetup.com groups cost money to maintain, don't
> they? (And that might itself be a security feature.)
> 
> Obviously, having more user groups would be great, but we do not currently
> know how many are not being created due to the process.
> It is entirely possible, that the creation of active user groups (without
> further investments and interventions into seeding communities) is
> currently maxed out already. Even in the case of review after the fact, we
> might just be shifting the burden on volunteers down the line in time to
> prove that they have measured up to the requirements. (On the other hand,
> it is also a possible hypothesis, that there is a ratio of active to
> inactive user groups that is "natural", and just by increasing the numbers,
> we can maintain the ratio and grow the number of active ones.)
> 
> As there is not enough evidence to suggest that user group status in itself
> can act as a catalyst where there is not a strong seed of community in
> place, or that we are failing en masse in recognising those communities
> that actively seek recognition (we may be slow, but the failure rate should
> be within normal levels), simply opening the gates will not necessarily
> going to result in more Wikimedia activity in more places of the world (the
> ultimate end goal of the exercise).
> This is not to say that there is no need to simplify the process -- there
> is lots -- but there should be a holistic picture: there is need for
> helping communities be created, for helping communities grow, there is need
> to provide recognition to volunteers, there is need for prov

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free online course on open knowledge

[Salvador A]

Thanks for share Bishakha. I joined.


2014-05-31 1:16 GMT-05:00 Bishakha Datta :

> I signed up out of interest, so sharing. It's free and begins 3 Sept.
>
>
> http://online.stanford.edu/course/openknowledge-changing-global-course-learning?utm_source=email%20broadcast&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=may%20mailer%202014
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unvisited App for easier photo collection

[Alice Wiegand]

Great, now I know where to go tomorrow!
Alice.


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:23 PM, HaeB  wrote:

> There is more information at
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Unvisited_app .
>
> 2014-05-31 12:26 GMT-07:00 Kevin Rutherford :
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I realized at the Wikimedia Conference in Berlin that many people do not
> know that there is a phone app that you can use on your phone that searches
> for places to take photos, and then provides walking directions for them.
> It’s still in a bit of the development stage now for the iPhone, but one of
> the local New England persons (Faolin42, aka John Phelan) has developed
> this app, and since many photography sessions are coming up all over the
> world, I figured it might be a good time to let people know outside of New
> England that this exists:
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mim1999.unvisited
> >
> > Let me know if you have any questions, as I would be happy to answer
> them. I have also cc’d John on this list if anyone wants to contact him
> directly.
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary

[Jan-Bart de Vreede]

Indeed, congratulations on achieving these milestones! 

It is great to know that even in these turbulent times you are managing to 
reach new goals and have a positive effect! Sometimes in the bigger picture 
these seem like small steps, but they are important steps for us as a movement 
and society as a whole.

Jan-Bart


On 31 May 2014, at 22:38, ENWP Pine  wrote:

> Congratulations Wikimedia Ukraine on these milestones.
> 500,000 articles, 10 years as a language wiki, and 5 years
> as an organization are great reasons to celebrate.
> 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Feuerwerk_Dreiländerbrücke.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> Pine
> 
> 
>> Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 21:13:16 +0200
>> From: Richard Ames 
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
>> Message-ID: <538a29cc.7030...@ames.id.au>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - оригінальне повідомлення -
>> Тема: Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
>> Від кого: Levon Azizian 
>> Кому: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Копія: Правління Вікімедіа Україна 
>> Відправлено: 31.05.2014 18:40,
>> 
>> Today, our organization celebrates anniversary - 5 years from the date
>> of creation.
>> 
>> Exactly 5 years ago, on May 31, 2009, in Kyiv was held the constituent
>> meeting, which approved the bylaws and elected its first Board of the new
>> organization, known as Wikimedia Ukraine.
>> 
>> Our community has gone through a long and difficult path. Birthday of
>> Wikimedia Ukraine for our community is the third remarkable date this
>> year. On January 30 was the 10th anniversary of the establishment of
>> Ukrainian Wikipedia and on May 12 Ukrainian Wikipedia has crossed the
>> threshold of 500 000 articles.
>> 
>> We want to thank to Wikimedia Foundation Inc. for their help, to our
>> neighboring communities for fruitful cooperation with us and of course
>> to our community for their contributions!
>> 
>> Regards, Levon Azizian
>> Deputy chair
>> Wikimedia Ukraine
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary

[Alex Wang]

Congrats! Looking forward to the future of WMUA and UKWP!

Alex


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Congratulations, WMUA and UKWP! :)
>
>A.
>
>
> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Enock Seth Nyamador  >
> wrote:
>
> > Congrats Wikimedia Ukraine and Happy 5th Anniversary.
> >
> > -Enock
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:38 PM, ENWP Pine 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Congratulations Wikimedia Ukraine on these milestones.
> > > 500,000 articles, 10 years as a language wiki, and 5 years
> > > as an organization are great reasons to celebrate.
> > >
> > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Feuerwerk_Dreiländerbrücke.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 21:13:16 +0200
> > > > From: Richard Ames 
> > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
> > > > Message-ID: <538a29cc.7030...@ames.id.au>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - оригінальне повідомлення -
> > > > Тема: Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
> > > > Від кого: Levon Azizian 
> > > > Кому: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > Копія: Правління Вікімедіа Україна 
> > > > Відправлено: 31.05.2014 18:40,
> > > >
> > > > Today, our organization celebrates anniversary - 5 years from the
> date
> > > > of creation.
> > > >
> > > > Exactly 5 years ago, on May 31, 2009, in Kyiv was held the
> constituent
> > > > meeting, which approved the bylaws and elected its first Board of the
> > new
> > > > organization, known as Wikimedia Ukraine.
> > > >
> > > > Our community has gone through a long and difficult path. Birthday of
> > > > Wikimedia Ukraine for our community is the third remarkable date this
> > > > year. On January 30 was the 10th anniversary of the establishment of
> > > > Ukrainian Wikipedia and on May 12 Ukrainian Wikipedia has crossed the
> > > > threshold of 500 000 articles.
> > > >
> > > > We want to thank to Wikimedia Foundation Inc. for their help, to our
> > > > neighboring communities for fruitful cooperation with us and of
> course
> > > > to our community for their contributions!
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Levon Azizian
> > > > Deputy chair
> > > > Wikimedia Ukraine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> Wikipedia,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unvisited App for easier photo collection

[HaeB]

There is more information at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Unvisited_app .

2014-05-31 12:26 GMT-07:00 Kevin Rutherford :
> Hey all,
>
> I realized at the Wikimedia Conference in Berlin that many people do not know 
> that there is a phone app that you can use on your phone that searches for 
> places to take photos, and then provides walking directions for them. It’s 
> still in a bit of the development stage now for the iPhone, but one of the 
> local New England persons (Faolin42, aka John Phelan) has developed this app, 
> and since many photography sessions are coming up all over the world, I 
> figured it might be a good time to let people know outside of New England 
> that this exists: 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mim1999.unvisited
>
> Let me know if you have any questions, as I would be happy to answer them. I 
> have also cc’d John on this list if anyone wants to contact him directly.
>
> Kevin Rutherford
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary

[Asaf Bartov]

Congratulations, WMUA and UKWP! :)

   A.


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Enock Seth Nyamador 
wrote:

> Congrats Wikimedia Ukraine and Happy 5th Anniversary.
>
> -Enock
>
>
> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:38 PM, ENWP Pine 
> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations Wikimedia Ukraine on these milestones.
> > 500,000 articles, 10 years as a language wiki, and 5 years
> > as an organization are great reasons to celebrate.
> >
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Feuerwerk_Dreiländerbrücke.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 21:13:16 +0200
> > > From: Richard Ames 
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
> > > Message-ID: <538a29cc.7030...@ames.id.au>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - оригінальне повідомлення -
> > > Тема: Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
> > > Від кого: Levon Azizian 
> > > Кому: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > Копія: Правління Вікімедіа Україна 
> > > Відправлено: 31.05.2014 18:40,
> > >
> > > Today, our organization celebrates anniversary - 5 years from the date
> > > of creation.
> > >
> > > Exactly 5 years ago, on May 31, 2009, in Kyiv was held the constituent
> > > meeting, which approved the bylaws and elected its first Board of the
> new
> > > organization, known as Wikimedia Ukraine.
> > >
> > > Our community has gone through a long and difficult path. Birthday of
> > > Wikimedia Ukraine for our community is the third remarkable date this
> > > year. On January 30 was the 10th anniversary of the establishment of
> > > Ukrainian Wikipedia and on May 12 Ukrainian Wikipedia has crossed the
> > > threshold of 500 000 articles.
> > >
> > > We want to thank to Wikimedia Foundation Inc. for their help, to our
> > > neighboring communities for fruitful cooperation with us and of course
> > > to our community for their contributions!
> > >
> > > Regards, Levon Azizian
> > > Deputy chair
> > > Wikimedia Ukraine
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary

[Enock Seth Nyamador]

Congrats Wikimedia Ukraine and Happy 5th Anniversary.

-Enock


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:38 PM, ENWP Pine  wrote:

> Congratulations Wikimedia Ukraine on these milestones.
> 500,000 articles, 10 years as a language wiki, and 5 years
> as an organization are great reasons to celebrate.
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Feuerwerk_Dreiländerbrücke.jpg
>
>
>
> Pine
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 21:13:16 +0200
> > From: Richard Ames 
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
> > Message-ID: <538a29cc.7030...@ames.id.au>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> >
> >
> > - оригінальне повідомлення -
> > Тема: Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
> > Від кого: Levon Azizian 
> > Кому: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Копія: Правління Вікімедіа Україна 
> > Відправлено: 31.05.2014 18:40,
> >
> > Today, our organization celebrates anniversary - 5 years from the date
> > of creation.
> >
> > Exactly 5 years ago, on May 31, 2009, in Kyiv was held the constituent
> > meeting, which approved the bylaws and elected its first Board of the new
> > organization, known as Wikimedia Ukraine.
> >
> > Our community has gone through a long and difficult path. Birthday of
> > Wikimedia Ukraine for our community is the third remarkable date this
> > year. On January 30 was the 10th anniversary of the establishment of
> > Ukrainian Wikipedia and on May 12 Ukrainian Wikipedia has crossed the
> > threshold of 500 000 articles.
> >
> > We want to thank to Wikimedia Foundation Inc. for their help, to our
> > neighboring communities for fruitful cooperation with us and of course
> > to our community for their contributions!
> >
> > Regards, Levon Azizian
> > Deputy chair
> > Wikimedia Ukraine
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > The greatest collection of shared knowledge in history. Help Wikipedia,
> > participate now: http://wikimedia.org/
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary

[ENWP Pine]

Congratulations Wikimedia Ukraine on these milestones.
500,000 articles, 10 years as a language wiki, and 5 years
as an organization are great reasons to celebrate.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Feuerwerk_Dreiländerbrücke.jpg



Pine


> Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 21:13:16 +0200
> From: Richard Ames 
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
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> 
> - оригінальне повідомлення -
> Тема: Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
> Від кого: Levon Azizian 
> Кому: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Копія: Правління Вікімедіа Україна 
> Відправлено: 31.05.2014 18:40,
> 
> Today, our organization celebrates anniversary - 5 years from the date
> of creation.
> 
> Exactly 5 years ago, on May 31, 2009, in Kyiv was held the constituent
> meeting, which approved the bylaws and elected its first Board of the new
> organization, known as Wikimedia Ukraine.
> 
> Our community has gone through a long and difficult path. Birthday of
> Wikimedia Ukraine for our community is the third remarkable date this
> year. On January 30 was the 10th anniversary of the establishment of
> Ukrainian Wikipedia and on May 12 Ukrainian Wikipedia has crossed the
> threshold of 500 000 articles.
> 
> We want to thank to Wikimedia Foundation Inc. for their help, to our
> neighboring communities for fruitful cooperation with us and of course
> to our community for their contributions!
> 
> Regards, Levon Azizian
> Deputy chair
> Wikimedia Ukraine
> 
> 
> 
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[Wikimedia-l] Unvisited App for easier photo collection

[Kevin Rutherford]

Hey all,

I realized at the Wikimedia Conference in Berlin that many people do not know 
that there is a phone app that you can use on your phone that searches for 
places to take photos, and then provides walking directions for them. It’s 
still in a bit of the development stage now for the iPhone, but one of the 
local New England persons (Faolin42, aka John Phelan) has developed this app, 
and since many photography sessions are coming up all over the world, I figured 
it might be a good time to let people know outside of New England that this 
exists: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mim1999.unvisited

Let me know if you have any questions, as I would be happy to answer them. I 
have also cc’d John on this list if anyone wants to contact him directly.

Kevin Rutherford
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary

[Richard Ames]

- оригінальне повідомлення -
Тема: Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
Від кого: Levon Azizian 
Кому: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Копія: Правління Вікімедіа Україна 
Відправлено: 31.05.2014 18:40,

Today, our organization celebrates anniversary - 5 years from the date
of creation.

Exactly 5 years ago, on May 31, 2009, in Kyiv was held the constituent
meeting, which approved the bylaws and elected its first Board of the new
organization, known as Wikimedia Ukraine.

Our community has gone through a long and difficult path. Birthday of
Wikimedia Ukraine for our community is the third remarkable date this
year. On January 30 was the 10th anniversary of the establishment of
Ukrainian Wikipedia and on May 12 Ukrainian Wikipedia has crossed the
threshold of 500 000 articles.

We want to thank to Wikimedia Foundation Inc. for their help, to our
neighboring communities for fruitful cooperation with us and of course
to our community for their contributions!

Regards, Levon Azizian
Deputy chair
Wikimedia Ukraine



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] Teaching Critical Reading through Wikipedia

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Asaf Bartov, 31/05/2014 20:16:

Does anyone know of specific materials developed for teaching critical
reading skills (either in K-12 or higher education) *through* reading
Wikipedia?

I vaguely remember coming across some, but don't remember the details.

I'm thinking about things like "how to identify bias", "how to distill
the argument from a paragraph", "what are weasel words", logical
fallacies, etc.


This is about 75 % of the focus of a typical short WMIT presentation in 
a school, we try to keep our material at 
http://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/Documenti_e_presentazioni


Nemo

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[Wikimedia-l] Teaching Critical Reading through Wikipedia

[Asaf Bartov]

Hi.

Does anyone know of specific materials developed for teaching critical
reading skills (either in K-12 or higher education) *through* reading
Wikipedia?

I vaguely remember coming across some, but don't remember the details.

I'm thinking about things like "how to identify bias", "how to distill the
argument from a paragraph", "what are weasel words", logical fallacies, etc.

Thanks,

   A.
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Wikimedia Foundation 

Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
https://donate.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC related announcements: Letter of Intent, Selection of New Members, FDC Advisory Group Review

[Anasuya Sengupta]

Hi all,

It's been pointed out to us that the deadline for the Letter of Intent in
one place on the FDC portal (undergoing redesign) was June 8 rather than
June 1, and that caused some confusion. Our apologies. We're more than
happy to accommodate any organisations affected by this. Please let us know
if this is the case for you. We'll continue to keep the default option as
June 1, but leave time for organisations that have been working to a June 8
schedule.

Indeed, some of you have already reached out and asked for a little
flexibility; based on this, we'll confirm the final list on June 8.

Thanks,
Anasuya
On 13 May 2014 17:30, "Anasuya Sengupta"  wrote:

> Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
>
> I’d like to share a few upcoming milestones with you.
>
> The deadline for the Letter of Intent for the next round of proposals in
> 2014-2015 Round 1 is June 1, 2014. The Letter of Intent[1] is the first
> step required for eligible Wikimedia organizations[2] to submit an annual
> plan grant proposal to the FDC. The Letter of Intent is a simple letter
> that indicates interest in applying for funds in the upcoming round. It is
> non-binding, but is a required first step. The one exception to this
> deadline will be for any current applicants in the current 2013-2014 Round
> 2 cycle: if any current applicants choose to submit a proposal in Round 1
> as a result of the decision in the current round, they will have an
> extension through July 8 to declare this intent.
>
> In July 2014, four new members of the Wikimedia community will be
> appointed to the Funds Dissemination Committee by the WMF Board of
> Trustees. In 2013, two members were elected by the community to join the
> inaugural seven members, bringing the total to nine members. This year,
> four current members will be replaced by four new members who will be
> appointed by the WMF. These four newly appointed members will join current
> members Cristian Consonni (CristianCantoro), Dariusz Jemielniak (Pundit),
> Ali Haidar Khan (Tonmoy), Delphine Menard (notafish), and Sydney Poore
> (FloNight). We will be sending out more information shortly about how and
> where you can express interest in joining the committee. You can read more
> about the committee’s roles, requirements, and expectations on Meta[3] . In
> 2015, five new members of the FDC will be elected by the community.
>
> Finally, the Funds Dissemination Advisory Group[4] will be meeting at the
> end of May to review the first two years of the FDC process. As per the FDC
> framework,[5] they will be advising WMF’s Executive Director on whether to
> proceed with this grantmaking program and what improvements to make to the
> process.
>
>  As always, if you have questions, please don’t hesitate to contact me
> and my colleagues at fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Anasuya
>
> [1]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent
>
>
> [2]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/Eligibility_criteria
>
> [3]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Funds_Dissemination_Committee
>
> [4]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/FDC_Advisory_Group
>
> [5]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC
>
>
> --
>
>
> *Anasuya SenguptaSenior Director of Grantmaking Wikimedia Foundation*
>
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> the sum of all knowledge.  Help us make it a reality!
> Support Wikimedia 
>
>
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Audio podcasts from Wikiconference USA

[Andrew Lih]

For those interested in what's going on at Wikiconference USA, Wikipedia
Weekly podcast is back, with two episodes from the conference:


Here's a wrap-up of the first day of the conference, including summary of
keynotes and selected sessions:

https://archive.org/details/wikipedia-weekly-110


In the other, I talk to James Heilman, head of Wiki Project Med Foundation,
on the recent report on the reliability of Wikipedia's medical information,
and why the study is flawed. Includes details of Heilman's correspondence
with the professor behind it.

https://archive.org/details/wikipedia-weekly-111



-Andrew
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

[Jens Best]

News from Chile

Chile’s Subsecretaria de Telecomunicaciones just decided that zero-rating
is a promotion tool which is against net neutrality. Therefore all
zero-rated-related marketing deals have to stop at the 1st of June.
According to a WMF-list in Chile no provider has been offering Wikipedia
Zero. Also I'm not sure if this dismissal reflects only on zero-rated
offers where payment of money is done by the content provider. So it still
needs to be checked how/if this decision is influencing our intent to
spread Wikipedia Zero.

All in all it shows that we have to improve our arguments in a broader
scale if we don't want to get caught by promoting Free Knowledge" but in
fact 'only' pushing the use of a reduced version of one (very well known
and superb) website which stand exemplary for this idea. We are caught in a
dilemma which imho only can be solved when reaching out to more partners
which stand for Free Knowledge and Free Education. Not sure how this could
work, but fortunately that never was a reason to stop.

News from Chile:

http://qz.com/215064/when-net-neutrality-backfires-chile-just-killed-free-access-to-wikipedia-and-facebook/

http://www.subtel.gob.cl/noticias/138-neutralidad-red/5311-ley-de-neutralidad-y-redes-sociales-gratis?_ga=1.143290485.1915805894.1400742323

Overview Wikipedia Zero:

https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships



2014-05-30 6:59 GMT+02:00 rupert THURNER :

> participation is another aspect. wp zero allows free reading. it does
> not allow free participation. write emails, search for references,
> download and adjust code. just as a side note, the oxford university
> stated: until 2012, europe, i.e. 10% of the worlds population,
> produced 50%+ of wikipedias geotagged contents [1].
>
> imo it is not necessary to terminate wikipedia zero, it "just" needs
> to be negotiated differently: if a telco wants to support our case,
> give every person 200mb free internet access. unrestricted. or, if we
> need to break some law like now or be in the grey area, we could
> support additionally a viral model, like: if somebody is a wikipedia
> contributor (as defined in election criteria, or like in ghana, 3
> edits per week), give them 2 GB free internet traffic for free,
> unrestricted.
>
> if the WMF legal department would be able to negotiate _this_ e.g. in
> nigeria or india, i would have _big_ respect for them, and with
> pleasure say in future: you guys are worth every cent of the 5 million
> we pay you a year.
>
> [1]
> http://geography.oii.ox.ac.uk/?page=the-geographically-uneven-coverage-of-wikipedia
>
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Jens Best 
> wrote:
> > "Giving access to educational resources" isn't the same statement as
> > "zero-rating wikipedia" - If the mobile providers are willing to give
> more
> > open educational ressources (incl. video) a zero-rated access to the
> people
> > THEN you can say "giving access to educational ressources for free" -
> right
> > now it 'only' means "giving free access to wikipedia" (which is great and
> > awesome for the wikipedia and the people).
> >
> > Let's not be naive on the point that mobile providers have different
> > motivations for zero-rating services as the movement has for fighting for
> > free knowledge around the globe.
> >
> > In the beginning it was mainly zero.wikipedia (text-only), now more and
> > more providers giving access to m.wikipedia (some-pictures), but where
> are
> > their restrictions and what will these restrictions mean for further
> > development on free knowledge and free education? - And above that what
> > will be our argument when other free knowledge/free education
> organisations
> > don't get zero-rated? When it becomes clear that the marketing scoop of
> > giving "free wikipedia" wasn't at all meant as the start of giving free
> > access to free knowledge around the world?
> >
> > I'm all in to make all open knowledge and all open educational ressources
> > zero-rated available around the globe - but I'm also quite sure that this
> > is not the deal the mobile providers are looking forward to. I prefer to
> > stay critical and not giving up an important principle like net
> neutrality
> > just because some mobile providers made a nice marketing deal with us
> which
> > seemed to serve our own goals in short-term, but isn't reflected enough
> on
> > its deeper implications on a free web and its liberated use.
> >
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > Jens Best
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2014-05-29 23:31 GMT+02:00 Marc A. Pelletier :
> >
> >> On 05/29/2014 05:24 PM, Jens Best wrote:
> >> > A noble cause
> >> > doesn't necessarily make breaking an important principle
> unproblematic.
> >>
> >> In my opinion, if the definition of the principle makes the obviously
> >> perverse conclusion that a beneficial thing like giving access to
> >> educational resources for free to the world's least economically
> >> fortunate people "a bad thing", then the definition is obviously broken.
> >>
> >> > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

[Bence Damokos]

On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Samuel Klein  wrote:

> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:
>
> > Also, somewhat unfortunately in my view, there is a requirement for user
> > groups is to have a "history of projects", which was not further defined
> > but in theory makes it impossible to form a user group before there has
> > been a "history".
>
> I see, thank you for explaining.  I believe this refers to the language in
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognizing_Models_of_Affiliations
>
> Would it be more helpful if the clause you mention were changed to
> read "an established contact person and a wikipage describing the
> group's activity"?  I believe that is equally representative of the
> thinking behind the resolution.
>
> If the the Board can remedy unfortunate wording that is slowing things
> down, I will propose a change right away.
>
Yes, that would be an improvement and closer to the current interpretation.


>
> > In any case, the more automation and simplification we can introduce into
> > the process, the better.
>
> Agreed.  :)
>
>
> Greg writes:
> > Bence describes it a bit more, but basically a request comes in, someone
> is
> > assigned it, we ask them some questions, if that person feels okay or
> > doesn't have questions, they send the info to the group, post a
> resolution,
> > and we vote.
>
> If the process can't be done in a single pass, it's probably too
> complicated.
>
> Compare the process of forming a Meetup group.  There are basic
> standards of behavior and usage -- applied via review after the fact,
> soft-security style -- and measures of activity.  But as soon as you
> finish filling out a form describing your group, it has been created +
> is visible online + has its events included in a global calendar, and
> starts to get updates and support.
>
I might be mistaken, but meetup.com groups cost money to maintain, don't
they? (And that might itself be a security feature.)

Obviously, having more user groups would be great, but we do not currently
know how many are not being created due to the process.
It is entirely possible, that the creation of active user groups (without
further investments and interventions into seeding communities) is
currently maxed out already. Even in the case of review after the fact, we
might just be shifting the burden on volunteers down the line in time to
prove that they have measured up to the requirements. (On the other hand,
it is also a possible hypothesis, that there is a ratio of active to
inactive user groups that is "natural", and just by increasing the numbers,
we can maintain the ratio and grow the number of active ones.)

As there is not enough evidence to suggest that user group status in itself
can act as a catalyst where there is not a strong seed of community in
place, or that we are failing en masse in recognising those communities
that actively seek recognition (we may be slow, but the failure rate should
be within normal levels), simply opening the gates will not necessarily
going to result in more Wikimedia activity in more places of the world (the
ultimate end goal of the exercise).
This is not to say that there is no need to simplify the process -- there
is lots -- but there should be a holistic picture: there is need for
helping communities be created, for helping communities grow, there is need
to provide recognition to volunteers, there is need for providing support,
resources and advice to existing groups, there is a need to provide some
level of oversight [somebody has to read the reports that are being
produced at the least] -- we can stress the system by adding hundreds of
user groups [the recognition element in the picture] but that will not
result in a successful user group model unless we can provide the resources
for all the connected services so that we can set them up for success.

Best regards,
Bence
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil

[Lodewijk]

Dear Rodrigo,

As you probably realize, the Wiki Loves Earth competition is ongoing
already - and it is highly unlikely that things will change /during/ the
competition. Raising this right now, in this aggressive way (not going
towards a solution) is primarily obstructive.

What would be much more constructive is if you either decide to invest your
effort in making this investment worth while (increase the impact), or to
help during the evaluation/next time's organization. That way you can
actually impact the way money is being spent, and volunteers are being
empowered effectively.

Unless I'm missing something (what you're actually trying to accomplish)
this is probably the least impactful moment to have this discussion - a few
months earlier or later would have been.

Best,
Lodewijk


2014-05-31 3:50 GMT+02:00 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com>:

> "way the topic was raised." funny
>
> Thank you Jaime Anstee, Lodewijk for the explanation and context.
>
> I don't if Mr. Alvarenga can see, but "I don't criticize the organizers,
> they are newbies in the Wikimedia movement", is one of the main problems
> here, why they can have the power spend this money without consulting, your
> point increase the size of this issue, if they don't know what they are
> doing, why they can manage/access this quantity of money?
> And find for me photo contest in Brazil manage by NGOs without partners
> that hits this quantity of money, and this is just the prize, the whole
> contest was evaluated in 30'850,00 reais ~14'000.00 dollars...
>
>
>
>
> On 30 May 2014 15:18, Everton Zanella Alvarenga <
> everton.alvare...@okfn.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have no idea about the prizes for other places to compare, but I
> > must say 10k reais (~5k USD) is a small amount of money for the value
> > generate by this type of competition, in my opinion.
> >
> > At the moment I am running through the organization I coordinate a
> > challenge which will give prizes of this order, although we won't give
> > it in cash, but a trip to Open Knowledge Festival
> >  next July, books and games, all
> > catalysing the creative use of technology and free software. And this
> > is from a very tiny organization 6 month old.
> >
> > The results from this competition led by the education program
> > coordinator in Brazil seems good so far. I think one thing that could
> > be improved was to consult the community in a more open way to avoid
> > the actual wikidramas and I tend not to like prizes in cash, but
> > simbolic one, like a trip to Wikimania would make much more sense for
> > me or some prize related to photograph.
> >
> > I don't criticize the organizers, they are newbies in the Wikimedia
> > movement and let's assume good faith, but I think it's a good
> > opportunity to discuss the issue globally, although the way the topic
> > was raised.
> >
> > Tom
> >
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