Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)
Hm. Garfield is the closest person I know in the Foundation to the FDC in its role of evaluating the Foundation's Annual Plan for the entire organization. The only other people I can think of who might be able to comment for the whole org are Gayle and Lila. By the way, after the latest Product launch controversy (MediaViewer) I proposed the creation of a Board-chartered Technology Committee that would include significant community involvement. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Suggestion_for_the_Board:_Technology_Committee Pine On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: MzMcbride, I'm not sure that WMF is overstaffed, but I would like to see more specific performance metrics for some groups. The FDC commented on this as well and I hope WMF is taking that to heart. I'm pinging Garfield for comment on that portion of this discussion. Garfield is not really the right person to ask about this. A CFO (or at least, our CFO) doesn't set or monitor performance metrics for individual teams other than his own. Regardless, I think it's an important topic Pete. Having more community members comment on and question the yearly or quarterly goals for teams in general would be step toward the kind of feedback Gryllida mentioned in the start of the topic. If anyone is interested in digging in to this more, there's a thread on the Talk page of the WMF engineering goals for 2014-15 document, which is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2014-15_Goals. (There are also goals for other teams of course, but since this is an engineering-related thread I wanted to focus on just that.) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hm. Garfield is the closest person I know in the Foundation to the FDC in its role of evaluating the Foundation's Annual Plan for the entire organization. The only other people I can think of who might be able to comment for the whole org are Gayle and Lila. You don't need to go through the FDC to talk to teams about their goals. You can just go talk to them via the wiki, or a mailing list. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Transparency Report Right To Be Forgotten
Hi All, We are very happy to report that we have released the Wikimedia Foundation's first transparency report, which can be found at transparency.wikimedia.org. You can read more about the release in this blog post https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/06/wikimedia-foundation-releases-first-transparency-report/. We encourage you to take a look and explore the report! We would also like to update you on some news regarding the right to be forgotten. The right to be forgotten has been the subject of much discussion and debate, within the Wikimedia movement and throughout the world, particularly following the May European Court of Justice judgment http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:62012CJ0131 ordering Google to delist some links related to a Spanish citizen. Since then, search engines have been receiving requests to remove hundreds of thousands of URLs from search results. Google recently released more information https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/file/d/0B8syaai6SSfiT0EwRUFyOENqR3M/edit about its right to be forgotten requests. Since the judgment, the WMF legal team has been watching the “right to be forgotten” issue closely and considering what legal strategies we should take going forward. Over the course of the last week or so, we have received our first five notices from Google advising us that over 50 links to Wikimedia sites were to be removed from search results. Today, WMF held a press briefing announcing our strategy of advocacy and transparency on link censorship. We will oppose what we see as a misguided court decision that has resulted in a crude implementation of the “right to be forgotten.” Lila has also issued a statement https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/06/european-court-decision-punches-holes-in-free-knowledge/, and Geoff and I have published a blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/06/wikipedia-pages-censored-in-european-search-results/ about the notices we have received and our plan going forward. Best, Michelle -- Michelle Paulson Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 mpaul...@wikimedia.org 415.839.6885 ext. 6608 (Office) 415.882.0495 (Fax) *NOTICE: This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation and for legal/ethical reasons, I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, at 15:44, Steven Walling wrote: The community liasons put in a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to advocate not only *to *the community, but *for it* within the Foundation. This activity should be redundant. If someone in the Foundation fails to see the community, it should be fixed. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Subject for Wikimedia Hackathon(s) 2014-2015: CoSyne
Yep, if you look at the Hackathon schedule you should see that it has been scheduled for Thursday afternoon at 2pm. Hope you can make it! On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Emeric Vallespi emeric.valle...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Does anyone have planned a meeting during Wikimania about next Hackathon's organization ? I believe it would be useful to know who of us still want to organize, after informations which was forwarded by former organizers, and how we could collaborate to choose the next (co-)organizer. I will be around the Wikimania Hackathon this afternoon and tomorrow, let me know if you're interested with this discussion. (Jean-Frederic Sylvain are also available) -- Emeric Vallespi Vice-treasurer Wikimedia France emeric.valle...@wikimedia.fr Twitter: @evallespi On 16 juil. 2014, at 21:00, Emeric Vallespi emeric.valle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, WMFr is still thinking about organizing Wikimedia Hackathon in 2015. We are currently identifying the technical, financial and especially human resources needed to make it a success. Frans, could you provide me/us your documentation or the link (Meta ?) ? It would be very useful. Wikimedia France really wants to organize an international event in 2015. Anyway, we believe that if another chapter wants to organize Hackathon it could be a waste of time for one of us to position our proposals against until the result. So if a sister entity positions herself clearly and seriously to organize Wikimedia Hackathon we can discuss it. Best regards, -- Emeric Vallespi Vice-Treasurer Wikimedia France emeric.valle...@wikimedia.fr Twitter: @evallespi | Mob. +33 (0)6 61151312 On 14 juil. 2014, at 20:38, Frans Grijzenhout fr...@wikimedia.nl wrote: Hi Balázs, WMNL hosted the international hackaton in 2013. Documentation is archived and thus still available and we are more than willing to help you in preparing the international hackaton in 2015. Regards, Frans *Frans Grijzenhout*, voorzitter / chair fr...@wikimedia.nl +31 6 5333 9499 http://www.wikimedia.nl/ *Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland* *Postadres*: *Bezoekadres:* Postbus 167 Mariaplaats 3 3500 AD Utrecht3511 LH Utrecht ABNAMRO NL33 ABNA 0497164833 - Kamer van Koophandel 17189036 2014-07-14 16:56 GMT+02:00 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu : Hi, WMHU would be interested in *hosting *a Hackathon in Hungary (anywhere) but we would need a couple of international volunteers to help filling the core of event (finding topics and speakers or building up the content in general). In exchange, the rest (from side events to the smallest details) can be left with us :) Balazs 2014-07-14 14:53 GMT+02:00 Frans Grijzenhout fr...@wikimedia.nl: Hi Romaine, this is to remind you that the CoSyne project was a research project, sponsored by the EU and conducted by different partners. The research has been concluded and the results have been reported early 2013..The technical infrastructure has sinds then been dismantled, so it will not be that easy to restart CoSyne. Regards, Frans *Frans Grijzenhout*, voorzitter / chair fr...@wikimedia.nl +31 6 5333 9499 http://www.wikimedia.nl/ *Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland* *Postadres*: *Bezoekadres:* Postbus 167 Mariaplaats 3 3500 AD Utrecht3511 LH Utrecht ABNAMRO NL33 ABNA 0497164833 - Kamer van Koophandel 17189036 2014-07-09 23:44 GMT+02:00 Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com: I doubt if these tools are similar. But I do think they can benefit from each other. Romaine 2014-07-09 16:03 GMT+02:00 Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr: Le 09/07/2014 14:33, Romaine Wiki a écrit : As a subject of one/more hackathons I would like to recommend CoSyne [1]. CoSyne is translation and multilingual synchronisation tool. The project was set up by Wikimedia Netherlands together with several universities and other partners, including the EU. The tool makes it possible to translate much more easier from one Wikipedia (etc) to another with much better quality translations than existing translating tools. It does not matter if an article is already written, it is possible with this tool to expand existing articles and to update articles with a new section when on one Wikipedia this was added. It makes it possible to exchange information in more languages and helps users to keep the articles up-to-date. I have tested the Bèta version of this tool and these tests were very successful. [1] https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/CoSyne Romaine Hello, Seems it is very similiar to the content translation Wikimedia i18n team is working on: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation Demo video:
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] Transparency and right to be forgotten notices from search engines
Thanks very much for this, Stephen and the legal team. I especially appreciate that the WMF has decided to make public the specific notifications of the use of the Right to be forgotten in the EU.[1] It's interesting that the bulk of the suppression requests have come from a single (ex?) Wikimedian targeting internal process pages of his home wiki. Not shockingly, the RtF request is now in the top 5 results on a Google search of that persons name. The NY Times covered the transparency report: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/wikipedia-details-government-data-requests/?src=twr [1]: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Notices_received_from_search_engines On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Stephen LaPorte slapo...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi All, The “right to be forgotten” has been the subject of much discussion and debate (including on this list),[1] particularly following the May European Court of Justice judgment ordering Google to delist some links related to a Spanish citizen.[2] Since then, search engines have been receiving requests to remove hundreds of thousands of URLs from search results. Google recently released more information about its right to be forgotten requests.[3] The WMF legal team has been watching the “right to be forgotten” issue closely and considering what legal strategies we should take going forward. Today, the WMF published its first transparency report[4]—you can read more in this blog post.[5] WMF held a press briefing announcing our strategy of advocacy and transparency on link censorship. We will oppose what we see as a misguided court decision that has resulted in a crude implementation of the “right to be forgotten.” Lila has also issued a statement,[6] and, Geoff, WMF’s general counsel, and Michelle Paulson, WMF's legal counsel, have published a blog on the subject.[7] As the topic is of interest to this group, we wanted to keep you informed of these recent legal developments. Thanks, Stephen [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/advocacy_advisors/2014-June/000547.html, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/advocacy_advisors/2014-June/000539.html [2] http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:62012CJ0131 [3] https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/file/d/0B8syaai6SSfiT0EwRUFyOENqR3M/edit [4] http://transparency.wikimedia.org/ [5] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/06/wikimedia-foundation-releases-first-transparency-report/ [6] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/06/european-court-decision-punches-holes-in-free-knowledge/ [7] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/06/wikipedia-pages-censored-in-european-search-results/ -- Stephen LaPorte Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation *NOTICE: As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal and ethical reasons, I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Advocacy_Advisors mailing list advocacy_advis...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Community liaison advocacy in support of the community
Steven Walling wrote: The community liaisons put in a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to advocate not only *to* the community, but *for* it within the Foundation. How is the effectiveness of their advocacy of the community measured? Back when I was the only wikimedian speaking out in support of grants to individuals, at least two (three if I remember right, over the years) of the community liaisons were stridently opposed to the point of being rude and insulting, one even going so far as to say they would leave the movement if individual grants ever came to pass. I'm glad that their relative effectiveness has finally been measured as more effective per dollar than grants to chapters. Who can I ask to advocate in support of me getting unbanned on Meta? I was banned there because I was accused by Foundation staff of violating a research policy which had never been adopted. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community liaison advocacy in support of the community
James, you are a long-term Wikipedia user. Were it not for the fact that you have been, on occasion, a good-faith contributor, I'd not bother with this. To live outside the law, you must be honest. --Bob Dylan. You have been a long-term puppet master, creating many socks. I have no personal judgment of that, I could say that maybe WP:IAR could require it on occasion. But, of course, break the rules, get blocked. Because you are experienced, James, you should know that you are not banned on meta. You are indef blocked. You claim about the reason does not match the evidence. Rather, there was, at the time, a controversy over certain research you did. In doing that research, you created some undisclosed socks and used them to send many emails on enwiki. While the research question may have fueled some interest in your activity, you were actually blocked for sock puppetry. I'm aware that you might have had an excuse for this, a reason why the accounts should be undisclosed. However, you violated the general expectations of WMF users regarding socks and role accounts. *However, you did not do this on meta.* The block was discussed at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_CheckUser_information/Archives/2012#James_Salsman Your arguments there were unskillful. Nevertheless, I see no clear sign that you violated meta policy, or behaved there in such a way as to legitimate a block, and you could, in my opinion, be unblocked even if you did, that long ago. (The CA data shows no meta edits, for both Survey accounts, and for other known James Salsman accounts listed in the Checkuser report, except Tashir, which had 5 harmless unrelated edits, and Selery, 6 unrelated, all of these nondisruptive.) However, you have not requested unblock as instructed on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:James_Salsman#Blocked I would consider assisting you if you need it, but you must first follow procedure. I'd advise having a conversation first about how to request unblock, there are ways that work and ways that don't. Email me if you like. I will watch your talk page. Beyond that, it is likely that much that you have wanted to do could be done through Wikiversity. The issue of wiki research is a complex one, but, on Wikiversity, there is a possibility of developing ethical standards and of doing independent research. There are some issues raised by your interaction with the WMF, I'm not going to address here, beyond pointing to a very interesting discussion: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:James_Salsman/Inactive_administrators_survey Abd ul-Rahman Lomax I'm so excited I can't wait for Now. From: James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:03 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Community liaison advocacy in support of the community [...] Who can I ask to advocate in support of me getting unbanned on Meta? I was banned there because I was accused by Foundation staff of violating a research policy which had never been adopted. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] Transparency and right to be forgotten notices from search engines
I see I am not the only one who noticed what WMF Legal is doing, but I see it a different way than Nathan. I see it as the WMF intimidating and threatening those EU individuals who dare to to exercise their rights under the court's ruling. Brigham and Paulson are basically saying just try it. We will Streisand you. Trillium Corsage 06.08.2014, 16:11, Nathan email clipped: Thanks very much for this, Stephen and the legal team. I especially appreciate that the WMF has decided to make public the specific notifications of the use of the Right to be forgotten in the EU.[1] It's interesting that the bulk of the suppression requests have come from a single (ex?) Wikimedian targeting internal process pages of his home wiki. Not shockingly, the RtF request is now in the top 5 results on a Google search of that persons name. The NY Times covered the transparency report: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/wikipedia-details-government-data-requests/?src=twr [1]: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Notices_received_from_search_engines On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Stephen LaPorte email clipped wrote: Hi All, The “right to be forgotten” has been the subject of much discussion and debate (including on this list),[1] particularly following the May European Court of Justice judgment ordering Google to delist some links related to a Spanish citizen.[2] Since then, search engines have been receiving requests to remove hundreds of thousands of URLs from search results. Google recently released more information about its right to be forgotten requests.[3] The WMF legal team has been watching the “right to be forgotten” issue closely and considering what legal strategies we should take going forward. Today, the WMF published its first transparency report[4]—you can read more in this blog post.[5] WMF held a press briefing announcing our strategy of advocacy and transparency on link censorship. We will oppose what we see as a misguided court decision that has resulted in a crude implementation of the “right to be forgotten.” Lila has also issued a statement,[6] and, Geoff, WMF’s general counsel, and Michelle Paulson, WMF's legal counsel, have published a blog on the subject.[7] As the topic is of interest to this group, we wanted to keep you informed of these recent legal developments. Thanks, Stephen [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/advocacy_advisors/2014-June/000547.html, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/advocacy_advisors/2014-June/000539.html [2] http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:62012CJ0131 [3] https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/file/d/0B8syaai6SSfiT0EwRUFyOENqR3M/edit [4] http://transparency.wikimedia.org/ [5] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/06/wikimedia-foundation-releases-first-transparency-report/ [6] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/06/european-court-decision-punches-holes-in-free-knowledge/ [7] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/06/wikipedia-pages-censored-in-european-search-results/ -- Stephen LaPorte Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation *NOTICE: As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal and ethical reasons, I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Advocacy_Advisors mailing list advocacy_advis...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)
Steven Walling wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Theoretical overlap, perhaps. People in the role of Community Liaison, Product Development and Strategic Change Management, a title Orwell would be proud of, are not doing what's being described in this e-mail. The current community liaisons are really paid advocates and they're tasked with shilling bad products. This isn't the fault of the people in these roles, many of whom I know and respect, but we should be honest that their role is much closer to that of a marketer or public relations person. You're being a jerk in this paragraph, Max. There is a huge difference in attitude, skills, and experience between marketers/PR people and the Wikimedians that work in the community liason role. The community liasons put in a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to advocate not only *to *the community, but *for it* within the Foundation. They do this quietly, often behind the scenes, and with little praise. If you know and respect these people, the respectful thing would not be to reduce their very hard jobs to a pithy but inaccurate summary for your rhetorical purposes. Blood, sweat, and tears? A very hard job? I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. Being an emergency room doctor, for example, is a very hard job that involves blood, sweat, and tears. What you're describing doesn't seem to match reality. Some might even describe it as rhetoric. I'll stand by what I said previously. The community liaisons (two Is) are currently in the role of trying to sell the community on bad software. Good software, surprisingly, doesn't need hired community liaisons to roam around the large wikis to explain and defend its virtues. If you want to respond to the substantive point, please do. Otherwise, I don't really think it's fair nor productive to simply make appeals to emotion. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] Transparency and right to be forgotten notices from search engines
I see how you could read it that way, but remember that to be included on Wikipedia information should be notable and written in NPOV fashion, and the BLP policy applies. If someone wants to contest information in their BLP we have more subtle tools for handling disputes than pure removal, although sometimes we will remove content. Pine On Aug 6, 2014 3:05 PM, Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com wrote: I see I am not the only one who noticed what WMF Legal is doing, but I see it a different way than Nathan. I see it as the WMF intimidating and threatening those EU individuals who dare to to exercise their rights under the court's ruling. Brigham and Paulson are basically saying just try it. We will Streisand you. Trillium Corsage 06.08.2014, 16:11, Nathan email clipped: Thanks very much for this, Stephen and the legal team. I especially appreciate that the WMF has decided to make public the specific notifications of the use of the Right to be forgotten in the EU.[1] It's interesting that the bulk of the suppression requests have come from a single (ex?) Wikimedian targeting internal process pages of his home wiki. Not shockingly, the RtF request is now in the top 5 results on a Google search of that persons name. The NY Times covered the transparency report: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/wikipedia-details-government-data-requests/?src=twr [1]: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Notices_received_from_search_engines On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Stephen LaPorte email clipped wrote: Hi All, The “right to be forgotten” has been the subject of much discussion and debate (including on this list),[1] particularly following the May European Court of Justice judgment ordering Google to delist some links related to a Spanish citizen.[2] Since then, search engines have been receiving requests to remove hundreds of thousands of URLs from search results. Google recently released more information about its right to be forgotten requests.[3] The WMF legal team has been watching the “right to be forgotten” issue closely and considering what legal strategies we should take going forward. Today, the WMF published its first transparency report[4]—you can read more in this blog post.[5] WMF held a press briefing announcing our strategy of advocacy and transparency on link censorship. We will oppose what we see as a misguided court decision that has resulted in a crude implementation of the “right to be forgotten.” Lila has also issued a statement,[6] and, Geoff, WMF’s general counsel, and Michelle Paulson, WMF's legal counsel, have published a blog on the subject.[7] As the topic is of interest to this group, we wanted to keep you informed of these recent legal developments. Thanks, Stephen [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/advocacy_advisors/2014-June/000547.html , http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/advocacy_advisors/2014-June/000539.html [2] http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:62012CJ0131 [3] https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/file/d/0B8syaai6SSfiT0EwRUFyOENqR3M/edit [4] http://transparency.wikimedia.org/ [5] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/06/wikimedia-foundation-releases-first-transparency-report/ [6] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/06/european-court-decision-punches-holes-in-free-knowledge/ [7] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/06/wikipedia-pages-censored-in-european-search-results/ -- Stephen LaPorte Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation *NOTICE: As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal and ethical reasons, I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Advocacy_Advisors mailing list advocacy_advis...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
