Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliate-selected Board seats] Kunal Mehta (Legoktm) candidacy

[Legoktm]

Hi,

On 03/08/2016 03:01 AM, David Cuenca Tudela wrote:
> "P.S. I plan to leave my job at the WMF if elected."
> 
> Then I hope you don't get elected, because it would be sad to see yet
> another valuable staffer quit, regardless the noble reasons...

Thanks for your concern, a few other people also told me similar things
today. I'm running for the board because I believe I can make a bigger
(and better) impact while serving on the board than from my current
staff role.

And if elected, I will try my best to continue in my volunteer roles not
become a stranger. :-)

-- Kunal Mehta / Legoktm

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[Wikimedia-l] Easier browsing of Board minutes, agendas, etc., plus summaries

[Pete Forsyth]

As many of you are aware, it's always been difficult to navigate
information about the proceedings of the Board of Trustees: minutes,
agendas, specific resolutions, notes, and commentary are split across Meta
Wiki, WMF Wiki, various mailing lists, etc.

So, I spent the last few days building a set of navigation templates on
Meta, tidying up page names, summarizing the Board's activities in recent
years, etc. I hope you will take a look at the before[1] and after[2] pages
on Meta. (There's still work to be done -- any help appreciated! Speaking
of which, thank you to MZMcBride and Rillke for helping get a useful gadget
up and running.)

== The most useful part ==
In addition to the navigation boxes (which I hope are helpful in themselves
to Trustees, staff, and any volunteers interested in governance issues), I
think perhaps the most useful pieces are the Annual Summary pages I put
together for 2014 [3] and 2015.[4] These aim to capture every resolution
passed in each year, separated according to those focused on Board
governance and more general votes. I have also included brief narratives
about issues that have been widely discussed (e.g., the absence of any
Advisory Board-related votes in 2015, and the implications of that). I have
tried to keep this very factual, to keep it short and useful for for
anybody interested in tracking the information. It could use additional
eyes, and probably additional links (to significant email messages, etc.)

== Curious observations ==
This is the deepest dive I've taken into Board proceedings, and as such, a
few interesting points struck me:

* Yesterday, for the first time, minutes and resolutions from the two
December 2015 Board meetings were published. As far as I know there was no
announcement of this; I wonder if in these tumultuous times, this has
slipped through the cracks. As you will see, there are several significant
pieces of information in there, and three months is a long time to wait for
it.

* December 2015: For the first time, we learn that Guy Kawasaki was
appointed to the Board Governance Committee (BGC). Ordinarily, a committee
appointment might not be of great interest; however, in this case, the
appointment came during the same meeting as the one where the BGC nominated
Arnnon Geshuri and Kelly Battles. If I'm not mistaken, those were the only
two candidates presented to the full board for a formal vote, meaning that
the members of the BGC had tremendous influence in appointing those two
seats. I think it would be worthwhile to hear from the Board whether or not
Guy had a role in deciding what candidates were presented to the Board. Was
this appointment fully forward-looking, or was it recognizing work that he
had already done with the BGC? Did Guy have a role in the formal decision
of who to present to the full Board?

* December 2015: The resolution establishing the Endowment Fund, which was
announced in a press release in January, is now referred to on the WMF
Wiki. However, the text of the resolution has not been published. I suspect
this is a mere oversight and will be corrected shortly; but this is a
significant development, and it will be good to see what was actually
decided.

* December 2015: As we knew, the Board approved the FDC's recommendation.
But the text in the Minutes and in the Resolution are interesting: (a) Many
staff and volunteers have praised the FDC's diligence in identifying the
WMF's performance in relation to the Annual Plan Grant standards. It would
be interesting to hear from the Board how it takes those comments, but
there is no mention of that in the Board resolution. (b) There are,
however, comments about the FDC's take on Wikimedia Germany's request for
restricted funds for Wikidata. I'm not as familiar with this issue, but it
appears there is a bit of a power struggle going on between the FDC, WMF,
and perhaps WMDE over this issue. This is something I hope we can all hear
more about, as it seems significant to the future of an important Wikimedia
project.

* January 2016: (No big surprise) Kelly Battles has been added to the Audit
Committee, and Jaime Villagomez has been appointed Board Treasurer.

* Going way back to August 2014, I noticed an interesting detail. Many who
follow the Board are aware that Alice Wiegand, who had previously been a
Chapters-nominated Trustee, lost her bid that year for a new nomination.
Frieda Brioschi was nominated in her place, and was appointed; Frieda had
previously been a Trustee some years before. And the Board immediately
appointed Alice anyway, succeeding Ana Toni, who resigned mid-term. Now,
for the part I had not noticed before: In the same meeting where she was
herself appointed, Frieda cast the sole dissenting vote for both of the
resolutions to reappoint Alice. (One to fill out the 2014 term, and another
for a new term starting in 2015.) This strikes me as highly significant:
Frieda surely knew that the vote would be successful, and that she would
then be faced with 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia NYC proposal to broaden WMF nominations - submit today

[phoebe ayers]

Thanks Pharos for making this offer and for outlining what your chapter
voting process will be! Both are good practices to bring to a process that
has in the past been generally opaque.

Best,
Phoebe
On Mar 8, 2016 8:14 AM, "Pharos"  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Pharos 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi fellow Wikimedians,
> >
> > Wikimedia NYC is interested in opening up and diversifying the Wikimedia
> > Foundation board nominations process (beyond the typical
> chapter-affiliated
> > candidates), so interested parties are welcomed to submit their
> > self-nominations today on Meta-Wiki, and we will consider all reasonable
> > applications from around the world, and will endorse those
> non-traditional
> > candidates whose inclusion we would find to benefit the overall elections
> > process.
> >
> > You just have to start the page for your nomination on Meta-Wiki today,
> > details can be filled in over the coming week.
> >
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominations
> >
> > Nominations must be in by UTC end of day March 8 on Meta-Wiki (which is
> > the global deadline), and Wikimedia NYC will formally make the choice of
> > candidates to endorse for participation in the elections at its March 16
> > 'WikiWednesday' public meeting, to be determined by an open vote of
> > attendees at that meeting.
> >
> > We also commit to having a vote at our public meeting in April or May to
> > make our chapter's decision for the actual elections.
> >
> > Feel free to write to us beforehand if you have questions.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Pharos
> > Wikimedia NYC
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Lane Rasberry 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> The board of trustees for the Wikimedia Foundation has 10 seats. The
> >> office
> >> holders for 2 of these 10 seats will be selected in the "2016
> >> affiliate-selected board seats" process described at
> >> 
> >>
> >> For a candidate to be considered in this election, they must be
> nominated
> >> by 8 March and endorsed by a voting Wikimedia organizational affiliate
> by
> >> 23 March.
> >>
> >> If anyone has any nomination to make, we are now in the last day!
> >> Nominations must be made by the end of 8 March! Make a nomination for
> >> yourself or another person at
> >> <
> >>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominations
> >> >
> >>
> >> For those making a nomination, please follow up by soliciting for
> >> endorsement of the nomination from one voting organization. That
> >> endorsement must be posted by 23 March. Candidates in the election must
> be
> >> nominated by the end of March 8 and must have their endorsement by 23
> >> March.
> >>
> >> Beyond nomination, please participate in the election by encouraging all
> >> organizations which are eligible to vote to cast their vote later during
> >> the voting period.
> >>
> >> Thanks - and forgive me if I misspoke in any part of this. I am anxious
> >> about writing correctly and clearly. The official election documentation
> >> is
> >> on-wiki.
> >>
> >> yours,
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Lane Rasberry
> >> user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia
> >> 206.801.0814
> >> l...@bluerasberry.com
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[Wikimedia-l] Women's History Month 2016

[Ankita Shukla]

Hi,

The project page for coordinating online and offline events for
International Women's Day (March 8) and Women's History Month has been
published on Meta at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_History_Month-2016

The theme of the edit-a-thon this year on the English Wikipedia is Women
in STEM. The theme covers various sub-domains like Women in Tech, STEM
conferences, STEM opportunities and initiatives for women etc.
This year the edit-a-athon would take place during a weekend, March 26-27,
2016.

I urge various language editors to add lists of articles to create and
expand as a part of the edit-a-thon:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_History_Month-2016/To_do_list

-- 
Thanks and Regards,

Ankita Shukla
Computer Science Engineering
B.Tech Final Year (Senior)
Indian Institute of Technology Roorkee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Oh the irony

[Nathan]

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Chris Keating 
wrote:

> I'm really glad that Guy is able to bring this kind of insight to the Board
> HR committee.
>
> ...
>
> OK, in possibly good news and trying to be fair to Guy, it looks like the
> @guykawasaki bears very little relationship to what Guy Kawasaki the person
> is actually thinking or doing. His twitter feed is basically a string of
> links to alltop.com, which is a content aggregation site (which I think
> Guy
> owns) that takes "cool content" from around the web and displays it to
> people.
>
> You might also notice that many of the stills that "Guy's" twitter account
> posts contain images with a canva.com logo and link through to pages on
> alltop.com that contain notices like "Image credit: Canva.com" (This
> doesn't apply to the infographic, but seems to apply to most of Guy's
> Twitter images). Canva is an image editing app that Guy works for. It's a
> bit weird giving an attribution link to an image-editing app.
>
> In short all of this is a social media marketing campaign which recycles
> second-hand memes and gets people to click on them with the ultimate
> beneficiary being the page-view figures of alltop.com and canva.com.
>
> What does this tell us about what Guy thinks are signs of employee
> discontent? Nothing.
>
> What else does it tell us?
>
> Well, it tells us that he is very very good at the "content game" of
> passing sharebait around the internet and transforming it into maximum
> eyeballs for oneself or one's paying customers, probably lowering the
> average IQ of the internet in the process.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
Alltop.com explains how several of its threads (e.g. politics.alltop.com)
grab content in its FAQ, but it doesn't address the "Holy Kaw!" thread.
It's at least possible that "Holy Kaw!" is content grabbed by Guy
"Kaw"asaki himself. The FAQ also confirms, fwiw, that Guy and two partners
do indeed own Alltop.com. Either way, if something gets published under
your name and with your permission, you own it.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Oh the irony

[Chris Keating]

I'm really glad that Guy is able to bring this kind of insight to the Board
HR committee.

...

OK, in possibly good news and trying to be fair to Guy, it looks like the
@guykawasaki bears very little relationship to what Guy Kawasaki the person
is actually thinking or doing. His twitter feed is basically a string of
links to alltop.com, which is a content aggregation site (which I think Guy
owns) that takes "cool content" from around the web and displays it to
people.

You might also notice that many of the stills that "Guy's" twitter account
posts contain images with a canva.com logo and link through to pages on
alltop.com that contain notices like "Image credit: Canva.com" (This
doesn't apply to the infographic, but seems to apply to most of Guy's
Twitter images). Canva is an image editing app that Guy works for. It's a
bit weird giving an attribution link to an image-editing app.

In short all of this is a social media marketing campaign which recycles
second-hand memes and gets people to click on them with the ultimate
beneficiary being the page-view figures of alltop.com and canva.com.

What does this tell us about what Guy thinks are signs of employee
discontent? Nothing.

What else does it tell us?

Well, it tells us that he is very very good at the "content game" of
passing sharebait around the internet and transforming it into maximum
eyeballs for oneself or one's paying customers, probably lowering the
average IQ of the internet in the process.

Chris






On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:

> "Number 7: Dropping subtle hints.
> Dissatisfied employees sometimes drop physical or verbal hints that they're
> looking to make a change.
> What to do: Don't ignore the signs. Address them right away and ensure a
> constant channel of communication between you and your team."
>
> Much wise. Very insight.
> Now... putting this into practice is a whole different story...
>
>
>
> On 8 March 2016 at 18:09, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>
> > Tweet from Guy Kawasaki:
> >
> > https://twitter.com/GuyKawasaki/status/707250917360410624
> >
> > whose content is:
> >
> > "8 warning signs that your staff are about to quit"
> >
> > http://
> > <
> >
> http://holykaw.alltop.com/8-warning-signs-that-your-staff-are-about-to-quit-infographic?gk2
> > >
> > holykaw.alltop.com
> > <
> >
> http://holykaw.alltop.com/8-warning-signs-that-your-staff-are-about-to-quit-infographic?gk2
> > >
> > /8-warning-signs-that-your-staff-are-about-to-quit-infographic
> > <
> >
> http://holykaw.alltop.com/8-warning-signs-that-your-staff-are-about-to-quit-infographic?gk2
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Andy Mabbett
> > @pigsonthewing
> > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

[Oliver Keyes]

+1. There was an easy way to split the baby here; "the board has
confidence". Done. Simple. What the language actually used did, as
well as (now) betray trust and confidence, was induce the sense that
for all people said they were listening to staff, nobody was.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:24 PM, jytdog  wrote:
>
>> Pierre that is exactly what I struggle with.  You are saying that throwing
>> integrity out the window in the name of politics is OK.  I am saying it is
>> absolutely not OK.  The individuals representing the board should have been
>> honest and simply said "The board supports the ED" and left it at that, and
>> if asked, yes, been honest that support was not unanimous.  Misrepresenting
>> things a) accomplished nothing, as we can see now, and b) opened huge rifts
>> that remain gaping today.
>>
>> I do hear you, that the decision to retain the ED in November was itself
>> trust-destroying for you, because you view that as such bad judgement. I
>> hear that.
>>
>> To me, making public misrepresentations is another thing altogether.  It
>> calls into question whether folks are even telling the truth, and that just
>> destroys the very basis for authentic conversation.  It is a deeper wound.
>> This to me, bars the way to move forward.
>>
>> How do we trust what the board says going forward?  How can the board be
>> effective, when people cannot trust what its members say about its
>> decisions?
>>
>
>
> Quite. I hope board members have been reflecting on
>
> 1. who on the board suggested and pushed for this "unanimous" wording,
> 2. who on the board felt uncomfortable with it, and
> 3. whether the latter group was browbeaten into accepting it – and, if so,
> what that says about group dynamics on the board.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

[Andreas Kolbe]

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:24 PM, jytdog  wrote:

> Pierre that is exactly what I struggle with.  You are saying that throwing
> integrity out the window in the name of politics is OK.  I am saying it is
> absolutely not OK.  The individuals representing the board should have been
> honest and simply said "The board supports the ED" and left it at that, and
> if asked, yes, been honest that support was not unanimous.  Misrepresenting
> things a) accomplished nothing, as we can see now, and b) opened huge rifts
> that remain gaping today.
>
> I do hear you, that the decision to retain the ED in November was itself
> trust-destroying for you, because you view that as such bad judgement. I
> hear that.
>
> To me, making public misrepresentations is another thing altogether.  It
> calls into question whether folks are even telling the truth, and that just
> destroys the very basis for authentic conversation.  It is a deeper wound.
> This to me, bars the way to move forward.
>
> How do we trust what the board says going forward?  How can the board be
> effective, when people cannot trust what its members say about its
> decisions?
>


Quite. I hope board members have been reflecting on

1. who on the board suggested and pushed for this "unanimous" wording,
2. who on the board felt uncomfortable with it, and
3. whether the latter group was browbeaten into accepting it – and, if so,
what that says about group dynamics on the board.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Oh the irony

[Liam Wyatt]

"Number 7: Dropping subtle hints.
Dissatisfied employees sometimes drop physical or verbal hints that they're
looking to make a change.
What to do: Don't ignore the signs. Address them right away and ensure a
constant channel of communication between you and your team."

Much wise. Very insight.
Now... putting this into practice is a whole different story...



On 8 March 2016 at 18:09, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> Tweet from Guy Kawasaki:
>
> https://twitter.com/GuyKawasaki/status/707250917360410624
>
> whose content is:
>
> "8 warning signs that your staff are about to quit"
>
> http://
> <
> http://holykaw.alltop.com/8-warning-signs-that-your-staff-are-about-to-quit-infographic?gk2
> >
> holykaw.alltop.com
> <
> http://holykaw.alltop.com/8-warning-signs-that-your-staff-are-about-to-quit-infographic?gk2
> >
> /8-warning-signs-that-your-staff-are-about-to-quit-infographic
> <
> http://holykaw.alltop.com/8-warning-signs-that-your-staff-are-about-to-quit-infographic?gk2
> >
>
> --
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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[Wikimedia-l] Oh the irony

[Andy Mabbett]

Tweet from Guy Kawasaki:

https://twitter.com/GuyKawasaki/status/707250917360410624

whose content is:

"8 warning signs that your staff are about to quit"

http://

holykaw.alltop.com

/8-warning-signs-that-your-staff-are-about-to-quit-infographic


-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedians of Colorado User Group

[Isarra Yos]

Oh, so we should actually start doing stuff? Oh dear.

I mean, we do stuff. Of course we do stuff.

And thanks everyone!

On 07/03/16 03:18, Alex Wang wrote:

Congrats! Excited to learn more about your activities.

Cheers,

Alex

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sydney Poore  wrote:


Congratulations!! Look forward to hearing more about your projects.

Warm regards,
Sydney
On Mar 6, 2016 4:57 PM, "Carlos M. Colina"  wrote:


Dear all,

On behalf of the Afffiliations Committee, I am glad to announce the
recognition of a new Wikimedia User Group in the United States:

Wikimedians

of Colorado User Group [1]

Among their objectives are organizing meetups of wikimedians in Colorado,
plus organizing events to promote our projects in the state, especially

in

educational institutions and libraries.

Let's give our colleagues a warm welcome! :-)

1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Colorado_User_Group
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] “Reliable”, “Notable”, and “Encyclopaedic” Sources for Automated Solvers for FreeCell

[Peter Southwood]

If you get it published off Wikipedia then it becomes a reference and someone 
else can mention it on Wikipedia
Cheers,
Peter

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Shlomi Fish
Sent: Tuesday, 08 March 2016 2:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] “Reliable”, “Notable”, and “Encyclopaedic” Sources 
for Automated Solvers for FreeCell

Hi Joe,

On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 11:29:12 +
Joseph Fox  wrote:

> Yes, that would be original research and not permitted on the English 
> Wikipedia.
> 

I see. Thanks for the information (though I'm still frustrated it took this 
list so long to give me a reply). I guess I won't be adding information about 
the solvers to the FreeCell article after all. It's your loss, really.

Wikipedia has so many rules that you can think it's a small country instead of 
an open-content project. :-(.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] “Reliable”, “Notable”, and “Encyclopaedic” Sources for Automated Solvers for FreeCell

[Lionel Allorge (lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org)]

Hi,

> I see. Thanks for the information (though I'm still frustrated it took this
> list so long to give me a reply). I guess I won't be adding information
> about the solvers to the FreeCell article after all. It's your loss,
> really.

You should mention this information on the talk page of the article :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:FreeCell

My two cents.

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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia NYC proposal to broaden WMF nominations - submit today

[Pharos]

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Pharos 
wrote:

> Hi fellow Wikimedians,
>
> Wikimedia NYC is interested in opening up and diversifying the Wikimedia
> Foundation board nominations process (beyond the typical chapter-affiliated
> candidates), so interested parties are welcomed to submit their
> self-nominations today on Meta-Wiki, and we will consider all reasonable
> applications from around the world, and will endorse those non-traditional
> candidates whose inclusion we would find to benefit the overall elections
> process.
>
> You just have to start the page for your nomination on Meta-Wiki today,
> details can be filled in over the coming week.
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominations
>
> Nominations must be in by UTC end of day March 8 on Meta-Wiki (which is
> the global deadline), and Wikimedia NYC will formally make the choice of
> candidates to endorse for participation in the elections at its March 16
> 'WikiWednesday' public meeting, to be determined by an open vote of
> attendees at that meeting.
>
> We also commit to having a vote at our public meeting in April or May to
> make our chapter's decision for the actual elections.
>
> Feel free to write to us beforehand if you have questions.
>
> Thanks,
> Pharos
> Wikimedia NYC
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Lane Rasberry 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The board of trustees for the Wikimedia Foundation has 10 seats. The
>> office
>> holders for 2 of these 10 seats will be selected in the "2016
>> affiliate-selected board seats" process described at
>> 
>>
>> For a candidate to be considered in this election, they must be nominated
>> by 8 March and endorsed by a voting Wikimedia organizational affiliate by
>> 23 March.
>>
>> If anyone has any nomination to make, we are now in the last day!
>> Nominations must be made by the end of 8 March! Make a nomination for
>> yourself or another person at
>> <
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominations
>> >
>>
>> For those making a nomination, please follow up by soliciting for
>> endorsement of the nomination from one voting organization. That
>> endorsement must be posted by 23 March. Candidates in the election must be
>> nominated by the end of March 8 and must have their endorsement by 23
>> March.
>>
>> Beyond nomination, please participate in the election by encouraging all
>> organizations which are eligible to vote to cast their vote later during
>> the voting period.
>>
>> Thanks - and forgive me if I misspoke in any part of this. I am anxious
>> about writing correctly and clearly. The official election documentation
>> is
>> on-wiki.
>>
>> yours,
>>
>>
>> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] “Reliable”, “Notable”, and “Encyclopaedic” Sources for Automated Solvers for FreeCell

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Joe,

On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 11:29:12 +
Joseph Fox  wrote:

> Yes, that would be original research and not permitted on the English
> Wikipedia.
> 

I see. Thanks for the information (though I'm still frustrated it took this
list so long to give me a reply). I guess I won't be adding information about
the solvers to the FreeCell article after all. It's your loss, really.

Wikipedia has so many rules that you can think it's a small country instead of
an open-content project. :-(.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] “Reliable”, “Notable”, and “Encyclopaedic” Sources for Automated Solvers for FreeCell

[Joseph Fox]

Yes, that would be original research and not permitted on the English
Wikipedia.

Joe

On Tuesday, 8 March 2016, Shlomi Fish  wrote:

> Dear Ruslan,
>
> please reply to my questions below. I've been waiting all along.
>
> Regards,
>
> Shlomi Fish
>
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:55:04 +0200
> Shlomi Fish > wrote:
>
> > Hi Ruslan,
> >
> > sorry for the late reply.
> >
> > On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 13:01:31 +0300
> > Ruslan > wrote:
> >
> > > Answering your questions:
> > >
> > >1. Yes, this conference proceedings paper is sufficiently reliable
> to be
> > >included into a wikipedia article. (Notability of the paper does not
> > >matter.) The full reference is
> > >http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=2001576.2001836
> > >2. No, discussion threads are not reliable sources and can not be
> > >included.
> > >
> >
> > I see. Well, my dilemma here is that if I wrote that the best performing
> > known solver todate could only solve 98% of the first 32,000 layouts,
> that
> > will be very misleading (because like I said hobbyist solvers exist that
> can
> > solve 31,999 of the deals and I was also able to verify these solutions
> as
> > legal ones using a verification code). So what can we do? If I (or
> someone
> > else) prepare a small public research document, which won't be an
> academic
> > paper but will still have reproducible results, and publish it somewhere
> > (with sources on GitHub, but also a version available on a static HTML
> site)
> > and then cite that
> > - will this be good enough? Or will this violate Wikipedia's
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research policy?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> >   -- Shlomi Fish
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] “Reliable”, “Notable”, and “Encyclopaedic” Sources for Automated Solvers for FreeCell

[Shlomi Fish]

Dear Ruslan,

please reply to my questions below. I've been waiting all along.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:55:04 +0200
Shlomi Fish  wrote:

> Hi Ruslan,
> 
> sorry for the late reply.
> 
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 13:01:31 +0300
> Ruslan  wrote:
> 
> > Answering your questions:
> > 
> >1. Yes, this conference proceedings paper is sufficiently reliable to be
> >included into a wikipedia article. (Notability of the paper does not
> >matter.) The full reference is
> >http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=2001576.2001836
> >2. No, discussion threads are not reliable sources and can not be
> >included.
> >   
> 
> I see. Well, my dilemma here is that if I wrote that the best performing
> known solver todate could only solve 98% of the first 32,000 layouts, that
> will be very misleading (because like I said hobbyist solvers exist that can
> solve 31,999 of the deals and I was also able to verify these solutions as
> legal ones using a verification code). So what can we do? If I (or someone
> else) prepare a small public research document, which won't be an academic
> paper but will still have reproducible results, and publish it somewhere
> (with sources on GitHub, but also a version available on a static HTML site)
> and then cite that
> - will this be good enough? Or will this violate Wikipedia's
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research policy?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
>   -- Shlomi Fish
> 



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliate-selected Board seats] Kunal Mehta (Legoktm) candidacy

[David Cuenca Tudela]

"P.S. I plan to leave my job at the WMF if elected."

Then I hope you don't get elected, because it would be sad to see yet
another valuable staffer quit, regardless the noble reasons...

Regards,
Micru

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Legoktm 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have posted my nomination statement for the affiliate-selected board
> seats on Meta-Wiki:
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominations/Kunal_Mehta
> >.
>
> Please take a look, and let me know if you have any questions on the
> talk page.
>
> Thanks,
> -- Kunal Mehta / Legoktm
>
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[Wikimedia-l] [Affiliate-selected Board seats] Kunal Mehta (Legoktm) candidacy

[Legoktm]

Hi,

I have posted my nomination statement for the affiliate-selected board
seats on Meta-Wiki:
.

Please take a look, and let me know if you have any questions on the
talk page.

Thanks,
-- Kunal Mehta / Legoktm


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