Re: [Wikimedia-l] Identified users

2017-09-18 Thread petrohs 
Buen día

Puede ser que mi inglés no sea claro y por ello no habré entendido. 
Pero, no veo el punto de solicitar el nombre real para identificar a
quien edita en Wikipedia.

Creo que la privacidad y el respeto al anonimato es parte fundamental
del proyecto. A mi se me ocurren muchos mas temas en contra que en pro,
seguramente porque soy ''conspiranoico''; en muchos países se puede
poner en riesgo la integridad física de las personas a tener un nombre
real con sus ediciones.

Pero nuevamente repito, igual y soy yo que no he entendido correctamente
el punto.

Gracias.


El 17/09/17 a las 17:46, John Erling Blad escribió:
> In some cases it would be a lot easier and/or better if it was possible to
> identify and not just authenticate an user. This could include such things
> as turning on real name for identified users, or limiting elevated rights
> to them, thereby avoiding renomination of banned users.
>
> In a lot of countries it is now possible to get access to systems with
> highly trustworthy identification. This is at least possible in several
> European countries, and I bet it will be quite common in the coming years.
>
> If some users are identified and some not, what would be the pros and cons?
> I guess the difference should be visible somehow, but would it be necessary
> to show who is identified everywhere? It could perhaps be interesting to
> show the persons real names, but that would not be necessary? I can't see
> that identification at the system should imply public disclosure of the
> same information.
>
> Some pros;
> - reclaiming user accounts would be somewhat easier
> - real names could be used (no impersonation)
> - user verification of various public departments
> - proofs of identity for copyright claims
>
> Some cons;
> - non-identified users might feel they are second rate citizens
> - easier to stalk users with real names ((trans)gender problem?)

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[Wikimedia-l] Content Translation office hour and online meeting on September 20, 2017 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC

2017-09-18 Thread Runa Bhattacharjee 
[x-posted announcement]

Hello,

Wikimedia Foundation’s development team working on Content Translation -
the tool that helps you create new Wikipedia articles by translating from
another article, would like to invite you for an online office hour session
scheduled for Wednesday, September 20th, 2017 at 13:00 UTC. This will be an
open session to talk about recent changes to Content Translation and
ongoing development.

You can know more about Content Translation on the project page
 or even watch a short
video . We have discussed
Content Translation in the past as part of the office hours hosted by WMF
Language team. The last was in June and you can watch the recording at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Euhu4Q7HF4 .

This session is going to be an online discussion over Google
Hangouts/Youtube with a simultaneous IRC conversation. Due to the
limitation of Google Hangouts, only a limited number of participation slots
are available. Hence, do please let us know in advance if you would like to
join in the Hangout. The IRC channel will be open for interactions during
the session.

Please read below for the event details, including local time, youtube
session links and do let us know if you have any questions.

Thank you
Runa

== Details ==

# Event: Content Translation office hour session

# When: September 20th, 2017 (Wednesday) at 13:00 UTC (check local time
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20170920T1300)

# Where:On IRC #wikimedia-office (Freenode) and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-BKoSj-oY


# Agenda:
Recent updates about Content Translation, and Q & A.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Content Translation office hour and online meeting on September 20, 2017 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC

2017-09-18 Thread mathieu stumpf guntz 

Hello Runa,

Thank you for the information.


Le 18/09/2017 à 11:06, Runa Bhattacharjee a écrit :


This session is going to be an online discussion over Google
Hangouts/Youtube with a simultaneous IRC conversation. Due to the
limitation of Google Hangouts, only a limited number of participation slots
are available. Hence, do please let us know in advance if you would like to
join in the Hangout. The IRC channel will be open for interactions during
the session.
Did you consider using an other solution, such as the jisti 
 FLOSS?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Content Translation office hour and online meeting on September 20, 2017 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC

2017-09-18 Thread Runa Bhattacharjee 
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 2:51 PM, mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:
>
> Did you consider using an other solution, such as the jisti
>  FLOSS?
>

Hello,

We have gotten some mixed reviews about this, and unfortunately did not
have enough time to evaluate it for the upcoming session. We will
definitely explore it for the next session.

Thanks for the suggestion.

regards
Runa

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Identified users

2017-09-18 Thread John Erling Blad 
The point is not to enforce identification of editors, but to make it
possible in some cases.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 8:25 AM, petrohs  wrote:

> Buen día
>
> Puede ser que mi inglés no sea claro y por ello no habré entendido.  Pero,
> no veo el punto de solicitar el nombre real para identificar a quien edita
> en Wikipedia.
>
> Creo que la privacidad y el respeto al anonimato es parte fundamental del
> proyecto. A mi se me ocurren muchos mas temas en contra que en pro,
> seguramente porque soy ''conspiranoico''; en muchos países se puede poner
> en riesgo la integridad física de las personas a tener un nombre real con
> sus ediciones.
>
> Pero nuevamente repito, igual y soy yo que no he entendido correctamente
> el punto.
>
> Gracias.
>
> El 17/09/17 a las 17:46, John Erling Blad escribió:
>
> In some cases it would be a lot easier and/or better if it was possible to
> identify and not just authenticate an user. This could include such things
> as turning on real name for identified users, or limiting elevated rights
> to them, thereby avoiding renomination of banned users.
>
> In a lot of countries it is now possible to get access to systems with
> highly trustworthy identification. This is at least possible in several
> European countries, and I bet it will be quite common in the coming years.
>
> If some users are identified and some not, what would be the pros and cons?
> I guess the difference should be visible somehow, but would it be necessary
> to show who is identified everywhere? It could perhaps be interesting to
> show the persons real names, but that would not be necessary? I can't see
> that identification at the system should imply public disclosure of the
> same information.
>
> Some pros;
> - reclaiming user accounts would be somewhat easier
> - real names could be used (no impersonation)
> - user verification of various public departments
> - proofs of identity for copyright claims
>
> Some cons;
> - non-identified users might feel they are second rate citizens
> - easier to stalk users with real names ((trans)gender problem?)
>
>
> --
> *petrohs, el compa obrero*
> *"Cada cual según sus fuerzas, cada quien según sus necesidades..."*
> [gpg : 15AD 0077 7028
> D720 539C D2B0 CEB5 C220 F1B7 1CDB
> 
> ]
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Research Showcase Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC

2017-09-18 Thread Sarah R 
Hi Everyone,

The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed this Wednesday, September
20, 2017 at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC.

YouTube stream:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR5JwqyVGSk

As usual, you can join the conversation on IRC at #wikimedia-research. And,
you can watch our past research showcases here
.

This month's presentation:

A Glimpse into BabelAn Analysis of Multilinguality in WikidataBy *Lucie-Aimée
Kaffee*Multilinguality is an important topic for knowledge bases,
especially Wikidata, that was build to serve the multilingual requirements
of an international community. Its labels are the way for humans to
interact with the data. In this talk, we explore the state of languages in
Wikidata as of now, especially in regard to its ontology, and the
relationship to Wikipedia. Furthermore, we set the multilinguality of
Wikidata in the context of the real world by comparing it to the
distribution of native speakers. We find an existing language
maldistribution, which is less urgent in the ontology, and promising
results for future improvements. An outlook on how users interact with
languages on Wikidata will be given.


Science is Shaped by WikipediaEvidence from a Randomized Control TrialBy *Neil
C. Thompson and Douglas Hanley*As the largest encyclopedia in the world, it
is not surprising that Wikipedia reflects the state of scientific
knowledge. However, Wikipedia is also one of the most accessed websites in
the world, including by scientists, which suggests that it also has the
potential to shape science. This paper shows that it does. Incorporating
ideas into a Wikipedia article leads to those ideas being used more in the
scientific literature. This paper documents this in two ways:
correlationally across thousands of articles in Wikipedia and causally
through a randomized experiment where we added new scientific content to
Wikipedia. We find that fully a third of the correlational relationship is
causal, implying that Wikipedia has a strong shaping effect on science. Our
findings speak not only to the influence of Wikipedia, but more broadly to
the influence of repositories of scientific knowledge. The results suggest
that increased provision of information in accessible repositories is a
very cost-effective way to advance science. We also find that such gains
are equity-improving, disproportionately benefitting those without
traditional access to scientific information.


Many kind regards,

Sarah R. Rodlund
Senior Project Coordinator-Product & Technology, Wikimedia Foundation
srodl...@wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Research Showcase Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC

2017-09-18 Thread James Salsman 
Wow, first there was solid evidence that tourism is causally
influenced by Wikipedia, and now science. The English Wikipedia's
Economics article still says "Tax cuts [boost] aggregate demand."
Isn't it time that potentially harmful biases in economics articles
are tempered as carefully as those in medical articles?

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:53 AM, Sarah R  wrote:
>
> The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed this Wednesday, September
> 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC.
>
> YouTube stream:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR5JwqyVGSk
>
> As usual, you can join the conversation on IRC at #wikimedia-research. And,
> you can watch our past research showcases here
> .
>
>...
>
> Science is Shaped by Wikipedia: Evidence from a Randomized Control Trial
> By Neil C. Thompson and Douglas Hanley
>
> As the largest encyclopedia in the world, it
> is not surprising that Wikipedia reflects the state of scientific
> knowledge. However, Wikipedia is also one of the most accessed websites in
> the world, including by scientists, which suggests that it also has the
> potential to shape science. This paper shows that it does. Incorporating
> ideas into a Wikipedia article leads to those ideas being used more in the
> scientific literature. This paper documents this in two ways:
> correlationally across thousands of articles in Wikipedia and causally
> through a randomized experiment where we added new scientific content to
> Wikipedia. We find that fully a third of the correlational relationship is
> causal, implying that Wikipedia has a strong shaping effect on science. Our
> findings speak not only to the influence of Wikipedia, but more broadly to
> the influence of repositories of scientific knowledge. The results suggest
> that increased provision of information in accessible repositories is a
> very cost-effective way to advance science. We also find that such gains
> are equity-improving, disproportionately benefitting those without

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Research Showcase Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC

2017-09-18 Thread Peter Southwood 
So fix it,
Cheers,
Peter

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Wow, first there was solid evidence that tourism is causally influenced by 
Wikipedia, and now science. The English Wikipedia's Economics article still 
says "Tax cuts [boost] aggregate demand."
Isn't it time that potentially harmful biases in economics articles are 
tempered as carefully as those in medical articles?

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:53 AM, Sarah R  wrote:
>
> The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed this Wednesday, 
> September 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC.
>
> YouTube stream:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR5JwqyVGSk
>
> As usual, you can join the conversation on IRC at #wikimedia-research. 
> And, you can watch our past research showcases here 
> .
>
>...
>
> Science is Shaped by Wikipedia: Evidence from a Randomized Control 
> Trial By Neil C. Thompson and Douglas Hanley
>
> As the largest encyclopedia in the world, it is not surprising that 
> Wikipedia reflects the state of scientific knowledge. However, 
> Wikipedia is also one of the most accessed websites in the world, 
> including by scientists, which suggests that it also has the potential 
> to shape science. This paper shows that it does. Incorporating ideas 
> into a Wikipedia article leads to those ideas being used more in the 
> scientific literature. This paper documents this in two ways:
> correlationally across thousands of articles in Wikipedia and causally 
> through a randomized experiment where we added new scientific content 
> to Wikipedia. We find that fully a third of the correlational 
> relationship is causal, implying that Wikipedia has a strong shaping 
> effect on science. Our findings speak not only to the influence of 
> Wikipedia, but more broadly to the influence of repositories of 
> scientific knowledge. The results suggest that increased provision of 
> information in accessible repositories is a very cost-effective way to 
> advance science. We also find that such gains are equity-improving, 
> disproportionately benefitting those without

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