Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking for advises regarding a public conference about the Wikimedia movement on the topic "Dissemination of Knowledge: What Limits" [Fwd: Re: Conférence Wikipédia]

[Gergő Tisza]

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 8:32 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:

> Also I'm wondering where I could find the nice blue or green background
> that I see used in many first page of Wikimedia presentations
>

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brand > Presentations
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking for advises regarding a public conference about the Wikimedia movement on the topic "Dissemination of Knowledge: What Limits" [Fwd: Re: Conférence Wikipédia]

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Also I'm wondering where I could find the nice blue or green background 
that I see used in many first page of Wikimedia presentations


Examples:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Discovery_narrative_FY_2017-18.pdf
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2017_StrangeLoop-_Wait,_it_does_--tahW-_How_supporting_Right-to-Left_can_expose_your_bad_UX_decisions.pdf

Do we have libre office impress for Wikimedia presentation? It would be 
an interesting support. Although, sadly, this file format can not be 
uploaded to Commons, for some reason. That would make existing 
presentations far more reusable, while I don't see any cost at allowing 
the matching file extension.



Le 08/11/2017 à 09:00, mathieu stumpf guntz a écrit :



Le 08/11/2017 à 02:52, Devouard (gmail) a écrit :

Le 07/11/2017 à 16:22, mathieu stumpf guntz a écrit :

Saluton ĉiuj,

Your fellow wikimedian was invited to present the Wikimedia movement 
in a conference organized by "Association des Masters en Économie de 
Strasbourg", which will occur Tuesday, November 28th, in Strasbourg 
(who would have guest?).


More information are below in French, but the main point is that the 
conference is entitled "Dissemination of Knowledge: What Limits", 
and after a call to better understand what was expected, the main 
point which will be presented:


1. How is structured the movement (relation between
    WMF/Chapters/Communities/Projects…)
2. What are the requirements of Wikipedia regarding information 
reliability

3. The different knowledge dissemination supports: what limits?

The main point, in term of coverage, will be the second.

No concern worries me about being able to cover all this topics in a 
way far more extensive than required for this conference. However, 
it would be appreciable if feedback was provided regarding what the 
community as a whole think important to highlight. More broadly any 
other advise that the topic or the main points might inspire to you 
would be warmly welcome.


Ĝis baldaŭ,
mathieu



Good evening

I think you should exercise more caution in forwarding entire private 
discussions (which include phone number etc.) by email to a public list.
You are perfectly right, I wasn't cautious enough on this. Actually it 
was one of my first thought this morning that I hadn't checked the 
whole content of the forwarded email.


May a moderator please remove this details from archives? Especially 
phone numbers. I would expect emails to be automatically transformed 
to avoid easy spam target, but maybe I'm wrong.




Otherwise... by experience, students in France have been repeated 
over and over to be careful about their private information. Hence, 
you should anticipate and expect questions related to privacy on 
Wikimedia projects, and by extension, harassements issues (hot topic 
those days).
Well, of course I'm aware of the harassment issues, but I didn't know 
students were boldly informed on this topic, and I would not have 
expected many question on this given the topic, expect for the right 
to a person's image and right to oblivion. In fact I should probably 
improve my knowledge on this topics too, any reading suggestion is 
welcome.




I invite you to take a look at : 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2017/Programme/Fossé_des_genres_et_harcèlement:_le_point_sur_les_projets_francophones

Thank you Florence, I will look at that with much attention.


Florence


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking for advises regarding a public conference about the Wikimedia movement on the topic "Dissemination of Knowledge: What Limits" [Fwd: Re: Conférence Wikipédia]

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Hi again,

I'm looking for some heat map of Wikimedia projects audience and 
contributors distribution at world scale. So far I found


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_Map_October_2016_Normal.png

https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/animations/wivivi/wivivi.html but 
would like something


So it's already rather good for illustrating geolocalized article 
coverage and number of /Pageviews per capita to any Wikipedia in 
September 2017/. But I'm not aware of a heat map for contributors, any 
link is welcome.


I'm also interesting in any graph covering evolution of misc. gaps 
(gender, racial…), both in term of article coverage and in rate of 
contributors.


Cheers


Le 08/11/2017 à 09:00, mathieu stumpf guntz a écrit :



Le 08/11/2017 à 02:52, Devouard (gmail) a écrit :

Le 07/11/2017 à 16:22, mathieu stumpf guntz a écrit :

Saluton ĉiuj,

Your fellow wikimedian was invited to present the Wikimedia movement 
in a conference organized by "Association des Masters en Économie de 
Strasbourg", which will occur Tuesday, November 28th, in Strasbourg 
(who would have guest?).


More information are below in French, but the main point is that the 
conference is entitled "Dissemination of Knowledge: What Limits", 
and after a call to better understand what was expected, the main 
point which will be presented:


1. How is structured the movement (relation between
    WMF/Chapters/Communities/Projects…)
2. What are the requirements of Wikipedia regarding information 
reliability

3. The different knowledge dissemination supports: what limits?

The main point, in term of coverage, will be the second.

No concern worries me about being able to cover all this topics in a 
way far more extensive than required for this conference. However, 
it would be appreciable if feedback was provided regarding what the 
community as a whole think important to highlight. More broadly any 
other advise that the topic or the main points might inspire to you 
would be warmly welcome.


Ĝis baldaŭ,
mathieu



Good evening

I think you should exercise more caution in forwarding entire private 
discussions (which include phone number etc.) by email to a public list.
You are perfectly right, I wasn't cautious enough on this. Actually it 
was one of my first thought this morning that I hadn't checked the 
whole content of the forwarded email.


May a moderator please remove this details from archives? Especially 
phone numbers. I would expect emails to be automatically transformed 
to avoid easy spam target, but maybe I'm wrong.




Otherwise... by experience, students in France have been repeated 
over and over to be careful about their private information. Hence, 
you should anticipate and expect questions related to privacy on 
Wikimedia projects, and by extension, harassements issues (hot topic 
those days).
Well, of course I'm aware of the harassment issues, but I didn't know 
students were boldly informed on this topic, and I would not have 
expected many question on this given the topic, expect for the right 
to a person's image and right to oblivion. In fact I should probably 
improve my knowledge on this topics too, any reading suggestion is 
welcome.




I invite you to take a look at : 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2017/Programme/Fossé_des_genres_et_harcèlement:_le_point_sur_les_projets_francophones

Thank you Florence, I will look at that with much attention.


Florence


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legal status of Wikimeida lists [Was: Re: The other side of the crisis at WMFR]

[Vi to]

N00bs are usually taught "public" has nothing to do with copyright ;)

Vito

2017-11-24 15:57 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen :

> Hoi,
> You deny the existence of copyright.. It being public does not mean that it
> is fair game for any and all purposes.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> On 24 November 2017 at 14:39, Vi to  wrote:
>
> > Archives are public, so, IMHO, the list is.
> >
> > Vito
> >
> > 2017-11-24 11:11 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz <
> > psychosl...@culture-libre.org>:
> >
> > > Saluton ĉiuj,
> > >
> > > Le 23/11/2017 à 20:54, Emeric Vallespi a écrit :
> > >
> > >> I think it was important to re-explain all those points so that the
> > >> community, which is - again - unnecessarily taken as witness, is not
> > >> deceived by a scenario built from scratch.
> > >> Again, to discredit the movement by such erroneous but public
> > accusations
> > >> still shows that only personal interests and vainness matter in this
> > >> conflict with some people.
> > >>
> > >> I seize the opportunity to ask: what is the legal status of the list?
> Is
> > > it considered public?
> > >
> > > I mean, it's easy to subscribe for anyone, but you still have to
> > > subscribe. And as far as I know, accessing archives require to login.
> Now
> > > there are other website which make crawled archives publicly
> accessible,
> > > but just because some do that doesn't mean it's legal.
> > >
> > > Also I'm not aware of any license regarding posted emails, so plain
> > > copyright probably apply, minus any exception related to epistolary
> > > material that might exist.
> > >
> > > It might be interesting to make any post to our mailing list a free
> > > licensed material. I've been thinking about that as I had the idea to
> > > extensively analyse the wikidata-l mailling list and publish a side by
> > side
> > > statements and extracted keywords elements, but from a legal point of
> > view
> > > it is probably not feasible. That might be circumvented with links, or
> > > providing a software which generate the expected table from provided
> > > references, but anyway it's less practical than a straight published
> > table.
> > > Having this material published under a free license would make it far
> > more
> > > useful in any kind of study with such an extensive goal in its
> > publication.
> > >
> > > Now, switching to a free license would not make the change retroactive,
> > > but it would already cover new material. Also it should be possible to
> > > contact most posters through their email and ask permission to release
> > > their previous publications under one or more free licenses and change
> > > archive metadata accordingly.
> > >
> > > Legale,
> > > mathieu
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[Wikimedia-l] Call for Wikimania '18 Program Committee Members

[Leinonen Teemu]

Hi, 

I volunteer to help with the Wikimania 2018: to promote the call, to recruit 
speakers, to review submissions etc. 

I am a long time “wikipedian”, with first time editing already the very first 
year of the project. I have also worked in many conference program committees 
of various kind of international research conferences. More information about 
me is available in here: 

https://teemuleinonen.fi/about-teemu-leinonen/ 

- Teemu 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality

[Vi to]

I have to rely upon my knowledge of plans in EU, I may be wrong with other
"rich Countries", if so please make me aware of.

Time-based tariffs are in "rich countries" are almost out of business. Also
data, cheaper data plans currently includes enough data to make surfing WMF
sites impact very few upon overall consumption. How can you tell "who" is
eligible for WP0? By "who" I mean which countries/places, telco users, etc.
A line between "rich" and "poor" countries is "easy" to draw, others aren't.

Making zero-carrier a default for all of the World would make me drop my
objections. But we firstly need to find a safe and cheap (in terms of
efforts) way to stop abuses, though most of abuses come from Countries
where data traffic is really expensive.

Finally a question: do we have reports about WP0? I mean, traffic, number
of users served, pages delivered, costs?

Vito

2017-11-26 4:32 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen :

> Hoi,
> While the USA is considered a developed country, the people in the USA who
> have least to spend are probably as deserving of zero rated Wikimedia
> service as many of the people who do get Wikipedia Zero elsewhere. The
> article indicates that our mission is to bring information to people and
> that is no different in the USA.  With Wikipedia and its sister projects
> considered as a way to bring quality, neutral point of view information, it
> would even serve as a means to combat the misinformation that will benefit
> from zero rating of information.
>
> Zero rating is bad in so many ways but your argument does only say that it
> was originally intended for developed countries. When there is a benefit to
> our readers I only see upsides in promoting the use of Wikimedia content in
> this way and no reason not to have Wikimedia Zero in the USA.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
>
>
> On 26 November 2017 at 03:56, Mz7  wrote:
>
> > The relationship between net neutrality and the Wikimedia Foundation has
> > been described as “complicated” – see [1]. Considering the that the
> > Wikimedia Foundation has a zero-rating program of its own (see [2][3]),
> I’m
> > not exactly sure how much this would affect Wikimedia, whether positively
> > or negatively. On the one hand, we could take advantage of the change by
> > expanding Wikipedia Zero into the United States. On the other hand,
> that’s
> > probably not a good idea because the program is designed to promote
> access
> > to free knowledge in developing countries, where access to the Internet
> may
> > be prohibitively expensive. In a developed country such as the United
> > States, that’s not really a prioritized issue.
> >
> > Mz7
> >
> > [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/
> > 11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/
> > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero
> > [3] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero
> >
> > --
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mz7
> >
> > > On Nov 24, 2017, at 5:06 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hoi,
> > > With the demise of net neutrality in the USA, have their been
> > consideration
> > > for the impact it may have for the services provided by the Wikimedia
> > > Foundation?
> > >
> > > We are reliant on servers in the USA, as the quality of the service in
> > the
> > > USA is no longer a given, what are the risks?
> > > Thanks,
> > >  GerardM
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality

[Vi to]

In most of the "Western" Countries traffic plans for mobile users cannot be
significantly affected by traffic towards WMF sites. So WP0 should not be
expanded to "the North".

I'm actually puzzled by the possibility for providers to ask fees to WMF in
order to retain a decent quality of service .

Vito

2017-11-26 3:56 GMT+01:00 Mz7 :

> The relationship between net neutrality and the Wikimedia Foundation has
> been described as “complicated” – see [1]. Considering the that the
> Wikimedia Foundation has a zero-rating program of its own (see [2][3]), I’m
> not exactly sure how much this would affect Wikimedia, whether positively
> or negatively. On the one hand, we could take advantage of the change by
> expanding Wikipedia Zero into the United States. On the other hand, that’s
> probably not a good idea because the program is designed to promote access
> to free knowledge in developing countries, where access to the Internet may
> be prohibitively expensive. In a developed country such as the United
> States, that’s not really a prioritized issue.
>
> Mz7
>
> [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/
> 11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero
> [3] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero
>
> --
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mz7
>
> > On Nov 24, 2017, at 5:06 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hoi,
> > With the demise of net neutrality in the USA, have their been
> consideration
> > for the impact it may have for the services provided by the Wikimedia
> > Foundation?
> >
> > We are reliant on servers in the USA, as the quality of the service in
> the
> > USA is no longer a given, what are the risks?
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
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