Re: [Wikimedia-l] Responses to en-wp sourcing question

[sashi]

Hi Adam, Pine, Robert,

Thank for the suggestions!  In particular, Adam's link to Ford, etal., 
where I read:


-- We used Apache's Map Reduce framework on Amazon's Elastic Map Reduce 
(EMR) cloud computing infrastructure to efficiently extract the history 
of references to all articles.


That sounds like power tools!  I've been using more of a clunky bucket 
chain procedure which only captures part of what has "stuck" in the 
river.  (They downloaded a corpus with all its deletion history.)  We do 
reach some of the same conclusions, but the data are very different  
(twitter & facebook weren't quite as weighty back in 2012, for 
example).  That said, I suspect it would be much wiser to work on a 
database dump as they have.


The classified version  (linked below) is getting more interesting now.  
Left papers often do better than their circulation figures would 
suggest, though Brazil & Germany being the notable exceptions.  In any 
case, what's very clear is that on en-wp, *Pitchfork* does much better 
than the *Poetry Foundation*.


>> http://www.creoliste.fr/docs/WikiInSources_cat.pdf <<

Not to worry, Robert, *Wikipediocracy* barely makes the list...

I'll have a look at the research mailing list once I've finished 
exploring Adam's suggestion, Pine.   Thanks to the three of you for 
taking the time to respond!


sashi





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fallout from 2018 Wikimedian of the Year announcement

[Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin]

http://mic.tatarstan.ru/rus/index.htm/news/1273420.htm

The article is about the Republic of Tatarstan government portal 
http://www.tatarstan.ru/ and its subdomains now being available under Creative 
Commons Attribution 4.0 International, just like a number of others throughout 
the country 
https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Список_сайтов_со_свободным_использованием_материалов

It's probably the first time regional government website in the Russian 
Federation quoted Russian Wikinews article 
https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/Главные_сайты_Татарстана_перешли_на_свободную_лицензию
 ― the part about local seminar initiative to be dedicated to Education, GLAM 
etc. was left out, but their press-service made the day of Russian Wikinews 
community by also being attentive to proper attribution. 

regards,
farhad
-- 
Farkhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/ Тел.+79274158066 / 
skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan


29.08.2018, 20:56, "Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin" :
> Dear colleagues,
>
> Since yesterday all subdomains hosted @ http://tatarstan.ru/ (including 
> websites of the http://president.tatarstan.ru/, the Cabinet 
> http://prav.tatarstan.ru/, ministries/departments, state-owned organizations, 
> municipalities and Representative offices of the Republic around Russia and 
> abroad) moved to Creative Commons Attribution. The only exceptions are those 
> of the First (ex-) President & the Parliament, that already had their own 
> unique type free licenses (in Russian, non-standard).
>
> Russian Wikinews requested me to draft an article & my counterparty at the 
> Regional Ministry of InfoComm has gladly approved. I will probably need to 
> find time for that today. That was the easy part. Some context: Russian 
> President, Executive Branch of the Federal Government, both Chambers of the 
> Federal Parliament, etc. are using Creative Commons Attribution for a while 
> now, thanks to Senior Volunteers efforts of Wikimedia Russia members. I just 
> communicated the benefits of this to the Regional (Republic of Tatarstan) 
> Deputy Prime-Minister https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shaykhutdinov, head 
> of the regional infocomm department & he championed it far and wide within 
> his area of responsibility.
>
> I started engaging high-school & university students into helping the 
> Infocomm ministry people to learn what is Wikimedia like & how it works - 
> Deputy Prime-Minister is interested in anything that can benefit Education, 
> Heritage Outreach, etc. development in the region & help in making culture of 
> the Republic better known globally & promote Tatar language use online 
> (Wikidata, GLAM, etc.). Another minister I met is excited with examples of 
> Greek school children 
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/July_2017/A_class_of_26_8-year-old_Wikipedia_article_creators
>  & youth in Italy 
> http://www.rivistabricks.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/BRICKS_4_2017.pdf & 
> other places develop critical thinking and develop immunity to mass & social 
> media stories painting the world black & white as they please (stories from 
> any outlets, including the BBC or New York Times, have to be taken with a 
> pinch of salt - there's no unbiased human). In parallel, we are starting a 
> cooperation with private Cambridge International school in Kazan 
> http://school.balacity.ru/ (the founders & the director know me, invited me 
> for cooperation, key contact person was part of the meeting, I provided 
> necessary initial links). I know that our youth is now inspired to organize a 
> User Group, report on their Spring & Summer efforts at Wikimedia Conference 
> Russia this September & take their existing Selet WikiSchool project even 
> higher. 
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/May_2018/Selet_WikiSchool 
> , more stories coming.
>
> Last night WMF Partnerships agreed to support me in organizing a 
> videoconference type seminar with best practices in Education/GLAM/Heritage 
> promotion/Wikidata/etc. to explain locals about how great is the Wikimedia 
> movement (something mainly unheard of in Russia, even though Wikipedia is 
> actually used). I would love to have you, my dear international colleagues, 
> to find time to connect and give a video talk on some Use Case implementation 
> during the upcoming public seminar, organized in conjunction with Tatarstan 
> InfoComm ministry (whenever we get the dates they will be able to gather 
> local crowd in the IT-Park in downtown Kazan). I will take care of the 
> simultaneous interpretation — all the necessary equipment is there, so I'll 
> try to find the funding & qualified people.
>
> In parallel I'll continue working on organizing a short in-person version at 
> WMF Headquarters for the President of the Republic, if and when we can fit it 
> into his schedule (Tatarstan Deputy Prime-Minister - Regional Minister for 
> InfoComm wanted this to take place during one of the annual regional 
> government 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF and non-WMF funding for Wikimedia work

[Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής]

Unfortunately it s been said in Greek wikipedia that people that take
grants are paid editors. And that came from people who already taken grants
for their projects in the past. Dark times in Greek wikipedia...

Στις Τρί, 4 Σεπ 2018 - 00:03 ο χρήστης Pine W  έγραψε:

> Hello colleagues,
>
> A topic which I feel that I should address again on this mailing list is
> revenue for Wikimedia work, specifically WMF and non-WMF sources of
> revenue.
>
> I will start by talking about my personal situation, and then discuss some
> related situations.
>
> I am currently requesting a grant from WMF. I cannot afford afford to work
> on this project in a sustainable way without funding, and I feel that I am
> making a request that is reasonably aligned with market rates for someone
> with my current level of skills and knowledge, but I feel conflicted about
> requesting funding from WMF because of the potential for difficulties
> between WMF and the community, especially because of the potential that I
> would be reluctant to express my views regarding WMF due to fear of losing
> WMF funding. (I'm not linking to my grant request here because I don't want
> this email to give the impression that I'm using this topic to ask for
> community endorsements for my grant request.)
>
> Similarly, *The Signpost *is labor-intensive to produce, and I would like
> for funding to be available for the more prolific *Signpost *contributors
> so that they have a good reason to treat their labor for The Signpost as
> part time jobs. However, it would be difficult to maintain the editorial
> independence of *The Signpost *from WMF if the contributors (especially
> contributors to the "News and Notes" and "In the Media" sections, and the
> contributors who are responsible for the overall editing and
> publication of *The
> Signpost*) received funding from WMF.
>
> There are many other areas in the Wikimedia community where there is enough
> work that is not getting done by volunteers, and/or where volunteers can
> put in so many hours that they can get burnt out, that I think that non-WMF
> funding would be good to make available for contributors who would like to
> work in these areas. Two examples are investigations of undisclosed paid
> editing, and translation and development of medical content.
>
> With Kaarl's cooperation (thank you, Kaarl) I have requested that two  of
> the WMF strategy working groups consider non-WMF funding for Wikimedia work
> as a part of their discussions.
>
> I would like for significant non-WMF revenue to be available for Wikimedia
> work. I think that this could be arranged with WMF's cooperation, although
> there is a long journey between saying that "I think that this could be
> arranged" and having a successful system in place.
>
> If you have thoughts that you would like to share on this topic, then I
> hope that you will comment here on this mailing list, or in some other
> appropriate location such as one or both of the relevant strategy talk
> pages ([1
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Revenue_Streams
> >]
> or [2
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Resource_Allocation
> >
> ]).
>
> Let me make a specific invitation to WMF employees to share your thoughts.
> I would like to hear your comments, both official and personal, if that is
> okay and if you would like to comment.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF and non-WMF funding for Wikimedia work

[Pine W]

I think that this leaves all of us who request WMF grants in difficult
positions, because either we get along with WMF or we risk WMF cutting off
our funding, and there are few non-WMF alternatives for funding Wikimedia
work.

Even if someone finds a non-WMF alternative for funding Wikimedia work,
that person or organization will often need WMF's approval to use the
trademarks.

I wonder if a solution to this is to make a 180 degree change to how
spending approvals and trademark approvals are done, with the idea that WMF
should come to the community to request approval for funding and to use the
trademarks.

In the meantime I personally feel like I need to choose between being
honest and wanting funding. I'm not sure that the loss of my voice in
discussions matters very much when there are tens of thousands of
contributors, so maybe I overestimate the usefulness of my independence
from WMF, but it seems to me that no one should be in this difficult
position of feeling like they have a choice between (1) being honest or (2)
wanting WMF grant funding and trademark approvals. To be clear, no one has
threatened my funding with political conditions, but in the absence of some
explicit and legally enforceable protections, I feel vulnerable.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF and non-WMF funding for Wikimedia work

[Yair Rand]

I'm sorry, my understanding of how Grants are supposed to work was
incorrect. From the board FAQ on the FDC resolution: "The GAC [Grant
Advisory Committee], or something like it, will also need to exist even
when the FDC is up and running, to handle smaller and less complex grants."
There does not appear to be any intention to hand over responsibility for
small grants to the FDC or other non-WMF body. Which leaves us back at the
start, with no existing way to avoid WMF influence or interference in
grants.

-- Yair Rand

‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 4 בספט׳ 2018 ב-2:01 מאת ‪Yair Rand‬‏ <‪yyairr...@gmail.com
‬‏>:‬

> As far as I can tell, the way that this is supposed to work is for there
> to be no WMF influence on funds distribution.
>
> "We affirm that all funds given to the Wikimedia movement are given in
> support of our global projects... funds raised via the Wikimedia project
> sites should be considered to be movement money, not the entitlement of a
> particular organization or stakeholder. Decision-making about funds
> dissemination should be broad and inclusive, consistent with our mission,
> vision and values. ... To support a broader and more inclusive
> decision-making process for funds distribution, the Wikimedia Foundation
> will create a volunteer-driven body (working title: the Funds Dissemination
> Committee, or FDC) whose sole purpose will be to make recommendations to
> the Wikimedia Foundation for funding activities and initiatives in support
> of the mission goals of the Wikimedia movement. All funds raised via the
> Wikimedia project sites will be distributed via the recommendations of the
> FDC, with the exception of Wikimedia Foundation core operating costs and
> the operating reserve as described above." -- Board of Trustees,
> [[wmf:Resolution:Funds Dissemination Committee]]
>
> Where are we on this? Since the 2015-16 annual plan the WMF hasn't been
> filling out its FDC applications (to regular objections every annual plan
> review and FDC election), and the Grants process pages on Meta are
> prominently labeled "Wikimedia Foundation Grants". I'm having difficulty
> finding out how the various Grants systems are run, but the IEG final
> decisions are apparently made by WMF staff, and the FDC doesn't seem to be
> directly involved in those?
>
> I haven't found any retraction of the original board resolution, so I
> assume that the current situation is a temporary setup until whatever
> remaining obstacles are dealt with and the FDC is capable of fulfilling its
> mandate. (I don't know what these obstacles might be. I think it would be
> helpful if the WMF and/or Board would comment on this.) Although the WMF,
> for the duration, appears to act as though it's their money to distribute
> and makes many of the relevant decisions, that appears not to be the
> (eventual) intended process.
>
> (My apologies if some of this is inaccurate. The pages on Meta aren't well
> organized, and it's hard to get a coherent picture of how things work.)
>
> (Also, FWIW, I really think it would be a bad idea to directly fund
> content creation or Signpost support.)
>
> -- Yair Rand
>
> ‫בתאריך יום ב׳, 3 בספט׳ 2018 ב-22:07 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏ <‪wiki.p...@gmail.com
> ‬‏>:‬
>
>> I apologize for the unusually large load of typos, especially misspelling
>> Kaarel's name. Usually I get enough sleep but last night I didn't.
>> Apparently my attention to detail is diminished.
>>
>> I'm rapidly spending my Wikimedia-l quota of 15 emails per calendar month,
>> so if there is extensive discussion on this topic then I may ask that we
>> move the conversation to a wiki page.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Pine
>> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 9:02 PM Pine W  wrote:
>>
>> > Hello colleagues,
>> >
>> > A topic which I feel that I should address again on this mailing list is
>> > revenue for Wikimedia work, specifically WMF and non-WMF sources of
>> revenue.
>> >
>> > I will start by talking about my personal situation, and then discuss
>> some
>> > related situations.
>> >
>> > I am currently requesting a grant from WMF. I cannot afford afford to
>> work
>> > on this project in a sustainable way without funding, and I feel that I
>> am
>> > making a request that is reasonably aligned with market rates for
>> someone
>> > with my current level of skills and knowledge, but I feel conflicted
>> about
>> > requesting funding from WMF because of the potential for difficulties
>> > between WMF and the community, especially because of the potential that
>> I
>> > would be reluctant to express my views regarding WMF due to fear of
>> losing
>> > WMF funding. (I'm not linking to my grant request here because I don't
>> want
>> > this email to give the impression that I'm using this topic to ask for
>> > community endorsements for my grant request.)
>> >
>> > Similarly, *The Signpost *is labor-intensive to produce, and I would
>> like
>> > for funding to be available for the more prolific *Signpost
>>