Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

[Aron Manning]

The following views are mine. I'm not affiliated with either the Foundation
or those speaking in the name of the communities. This is a volunteer's
opinion.

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 04:24, Pine W  wrote:

>  Hi Leila and Todd, thanks for the constructive comments.
>
> I think that global consensus is possible, but it's challenging.
>

To measure the needs of the movement, the organizers of the consultation
have to take into consideration all the editors - present and future -, the
affiliates, and even the readers. Thousands of regulars, hundreds of
thousands of casuals, not counting the millions of readers, who contribute
with their donations.

The participation of this many people in the consultations would not be
feasible. The most that can be expected is a few hundred editors, who voice
their opinions, mostly representing the English Wikipedia and Commons. I
believe this is what Leila meant. Any of the consensus models can only
reflect a local consensus
 at
best.
Deciding the movement's future based upon this comparatively small
selection of contributors would result in a one-sided outcome.

The needs of the movement, however, can be measured globally by systematic
research and this is what the Foundation has been doing in recent years and
now serves as the basis for the recommendations. My personal experience and
impressions confirm many of these findings: The movement needs to move
forward, to keep up with the times. The start of a new decade is the best
time to take that big step.

With these fundamental changes, there will be many differing views and
visions. Regardless whether those differences are big or small, at this
scale, this many participants could only agree to disagree.
A simple vote-counting would not be able to establish any kind of consensus
besides vetoes, what would only undermine and disrupt the consultation.
Wikipedia is not a vote for a good reason.
On the other hand, the true model of consensus, which evaluates the merits
of the comments is simply unmanageable above a few dozen participants.
Neither of these models could achieve consensus or equally consider every
community and contributor.

The purpose of the consultations is not to struggle seeking global
consensus with many differing views, but to gather constructive feedback
from the communities.
It is clear that the Foundation and the Working Groups are asking for
meritable comments, which they can incorporate in their proposals.


I remain concerned about the current timeline for this strategy process. I
> think that after initial community discussions, a phased approach over a
> period of years for !votes and implementation might be best.
>

Continuous consultations about individual projects and specific
implementations would be of great benefit to bridging the gap between the
Foundation and the communities.
However, only experience will prove the changes beneficial, procrastinating
the decision would be just a waste of time and opportunity.
It seems to be an easy way out to run votes endlessly, without doing the
hard work to achieve the movement's targets, but it leads nowhere, just
creates disruption.

That's not why we are here. Although I can't vouch for all, I believe we
are here to improve the projects we work on and to collaboratively create
the world's biggest encyclopedia and knowledge platform, which shows an
example of what's possible, that makes us proud.

Perhaps an early phase could focus on reviewing our current mechanisms for
> all-Wikiverse governance and considering some changes to those mechanisms.
>

The governance processes haven't seen a significant update since the
initial influx of editors, but these processes and the technical tools did
not scale with the sudden increase in editor count. A significant technical
debt  has been carried along
for more than a decade. These processes need significant updates to address
the abuse (bullying and occasional harassment) of editors, who aren't
protected by the network of supportive editors who have known them for
years.

Addressing this issue is fundamental to improving diversity and editing
experience within the communities. Although the issues faced by Wikipedia
are the same as in any online community, many communities - most notably
open source communities - have progressed significantly in regards of
addressing abuse and conduct issues.

Perhaps the strategy process organizers will have some recommendations for
> us to consider regarding governance.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

[Todd Allen]

Katherine,

These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback
on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect
anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
talking to the wall?

Todd

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement
> strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On behalf
> of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am
> honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to read
> through, review, and comment.
>
> In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020, your
> fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can bring
> to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> ecosystem of free knowledge.
>
> == Review the recommendations ==
>
> These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions
> and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research
> into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
> writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a significant
> amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and
> every person who contributed to creating this work.
>
> I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of the
> principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how these
> recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
> recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
>
> The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German,
> Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
> Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a condensed
> introduction to the recommendations material.
>
> == Share your feedback ==
>
> In order to produce a final document that is representative of and relevant
> to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations that
> make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> recommendations and share their thoughts.
>
> Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations might
> have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on
> other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
>
> This round of community conversations will run until the first week of
> March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
> summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and
> other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role as
> the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us
> towards discussions around implementation.
>
> You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and
> please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective meta
> pages.
>
> Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable
> skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free knowledge.
> And every single contribution made by every community member from the
> beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique movement
> we are today.
>
> I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking
> forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
>
> Katherine
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> [2]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> [3]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> [4]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> [5]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> [6]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> [7]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> [8]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
> ?
> [9]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> [10]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

[Pine W]

 Hi Leila and Todd, thanks for the constructive comments.

I think that global consensus is possible, but it's challenging.

I remain concerned about the current timeline for this strategy process. I
think that after initial community discussions, a phased approach over a
period of years for !votes and implementation might be best.

Perhaps an early phase could focus on reviewing our current mechanisms for
all-Wikiverse governance and considering some changes to those mechanisms.
However, that might be contentious and time consuming, and I think that we
should be careful about what we wish for.

Perhaps the strategy process organizers will have some recommendations for
us to consider regarding governance.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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[Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

[Katherine Maher]

Dear all,

I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement
strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On behalf
of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am
honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to read
through, review, and comment.

In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020, your
fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can bring
to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
ecosystem of free knowledge.

== Review the recommendations ==

These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions
and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research
into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a significant
amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and
every person who contributed to creating this work.

I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of the
principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how these
recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
recommendations were produced and next steps [7].

The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German,
Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a condensed
introduction to the recommendations material.

== Share your feedback ==

In order to produce a final document that is representative of and relevant
to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations that
make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
recommendations and share their thoughts.

Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations might
have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on
other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.

This round of community conversations will run until the first week of
March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and
other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role as
the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us
towards discussions around implementation.

You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and
please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective meta
pages.

Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable
skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free knowledge.
And every single contribution made by every community member from the
beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique movement
we are today.

I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking
forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.

Katherine

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
[6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
[8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
?
[9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
[10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions

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Katherine Maher (she/her)

Executive Director

Wikimedia Foundation 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

[Todd Allen]

That's...really not how this works. We don't say "It's hard to gain
consensus, so screw it, we're going ahead anyway." If you can't gain
consensus for what you're doing, then you should stop doing it. Yes,
consensus for major changes is hard. That doesn't mean it is not required
or should be ignored.

Todd

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 5:48 PM Leila Zia  wrote:

> [writing at my personal capacity.]
>
> Hi Pine,
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:20 PM Pine W  wrote:
> >
> > * I realize that a lot of time and money has been spent in the strategy
> > process to this point. I hope that there will be consensus on at least
> some
> > of the recommendations.
>
> True consensus based decision making for this stage, at least given
> the technologies available to us at the moment, is not possible, imho.
> One of the immediate challenges we will face is that the time
> available to folks to participate is varying across people
> significantly. We also have languages as the barriers for people to
> talk directly with each other across languages. At best you can expect
> heavy engagement early on (within different communities) and then
> people gradually disengaging as conversations become lengthy and
> sometimes even harsh or toxic. You may end up with some version of
> consensus at the end (even that is hard as you have to aggregate
> results across many communities and what if one doesn't agree with
> another), but that will be the consensus of those who stayed around
> and that's not a good place to be when you want to finalize the
> recommendations. That makes me think that the approach through which
> one entity accepts responsibility and make a decision while taking
> into account the conversations and feedback that will come in in the
> following weeks may be a better approach.
>
> (Disclaimer: The process is very complex and I don't claim to know
> what the right approach is.)
>
> Best,
> Leila
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey: Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020

[Gerard Meijssen]

I am not interested when I do no have a clue about the scope


Op ma 20 jan. 2020 15:09 schreef Ilario Valdelli :

> That can be an output of the conference. Is not it?
>
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 13:57 Gerard Meijssen, 
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > How do you define diversity?
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 13:44, Jon Harald Søby 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all, and apologies if you receive this email several times – I will
> be
> > > posting it to multiple mailing lists.
> > >
> > > Wikimedia Norge would like to organize a regional Wikimedia Diversity
> > > Conference in 2020 for Europe, with the hope of many other regional
> > > conferences on the same topic being held in the near future. The
> > Wikimedia
> > > Diversity Conference 2020 will provide a meeting place for discussing,
> > > debating and generating recipes for change concerning diversity in the
> > > Wikimedia movement.
> > >
> > > We will be sharing more updates regarding a possible conference later
> in
> > > 2020. For now, we are working on drafting a grant proposal to the
> > Wikimedia
> > > Foundation to support the conference. As part of the drafting the
> > proposal,
> > > a Community Engagement Survey is crucial to understand what community
> > > members are expecting out of such conference. In that regard, Wikimedia
> > > Norge invite all those who are interested in the topic of diversity to
> > take
> > > part in the survey.
> > >
> > > Please take the survey here
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEaXc2AIaaFgKiQUWCDdnJKLd26KA8_DDQsyAqemXsH-wRyw/viewform
> > > >
> > > or copy and paste the URL below into your internet browser:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEaXc2AIaaFgKiQUWCDdnJKLd26KA8_DDQsyAqemXsH-wRyw/viewform
> > >
> > > *Participants*
> > > For a Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020 we would like to invite
> > > participants who are decision-makers in the movement (volunteers, board
> > or
> > > staff members of a Wikimedia affiliate) or highly engaged in projects
> > about
> > > knowledge equity and diversity. The conference will be an opportunity
> for
> > > the participants to discuss solutions for implementation of the 2030
> > > movement strategy
> > > 
> on
> > > knowledge equity.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > *Jon Harald Søby*
> > > Prosjektleder / Prosjektleiar / Prošeaktajođiheaddji / Project Manager
> > > Wikimedia Norge / Wikimedia Noreg / Wikimedia Norga
> > >
> > > +47 977 67 510
> > > jhs...@wikimedia.no
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

[Nathan]

Just want to reinforce some other comments -- Pine... WMF employees, many
of whom gave up subscribing to this list long ago, are real people and this
is their livelihood.

Suggestions to start firing people add no value to the discussion and, if
anything, detract from the credibility of the other points you are trying
to make (which I largely agree with).

Hoping with the benefit of a few days of cooling down that is clear to you
as well.

~Nathan

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 7:50 PM Pine W  wrote:

> There are ways that Wikimedia rebranding consultations could be done
> collaboratively, politely, and with careful stewardship of donor's money.
> This is not one of them.
>
> I think that it's time for some people in WMF to move on. Without having
> access to WMF internal discussions, I don't know exactly who I would
> remove, but I've had enough of poor coordination, questionable financial
> decisions, and discourtesy, and I hope that the donors and the Board have
> too. These problems are not isolated to the rebranding effort, but I think
> that this is as good a place as any to start replacing employees who aren't
> working out.
>
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

[Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga]

Mmm... How can such a relevant topic be discussed oficially at Facebook?

This is, by far, the worst way to do it.

2020 urt. 20 9:48 AM erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Peter Southwood 
):

Thanks for the heads-up, Mike,
P

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This meta RfC might be of interest:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia

Gracias,
Mike

> On 19 Jan 2020, at 08:54:12, geni  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 00:50, Pine W  wrote:
>>
>> There are ways that Wikimedia rebranding consultations could be done
>> collaboratively, politely, and with careful stewardship of donor's money.
>> This is not one of them.
>
> Eh questionable. The community is difficult to engage at the best of
> times and tends to be reflexively conservative about such things. It
> may well be that it is impossible to get any meaningful agreement on
> rebranding.
>
>> I think that it's time for some people in WMF to move on.
>
> This kind of thing has happened from time to time despite significant
> staff turnover over the years. Probably just a natural function of
> certain organisations. All we can really do is try and limit the
> damage.
>
>> but I've had enough of poor coordination,
>
> Unavoidable from time to time since there is too much going on for any
> one person to keep track of.
>
>> questionable financial decisions,
>
> Again a function of size. It would frankly be concerning if every
> editor agreed with every financial decisions. There is also the long
> standing problem of balancing the risk of wasting money with the risk
> of paralysis.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey: Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020

[Ilario Valdelli]

That can be an output of the conference. Is not it?

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 13:57 Gerard Meijssen, 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> How do you define diversity?
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 13:44, Jon Harald Søby  wrote:
>
> > Hi all, and apologies if you receive this email several times – I will be
> > posting it to multiple mailing lists.
> >
> > Wikimedia Norge would like to organize a regional Wikimedia Diversity
> > Conference in 2020 for Europe, with the hope of many other regional
> > conferences on the same topic being held in the near future. The
> Wikimedia
> > Diversity Conference 2020 will provide a meeting place for discussing,
> > debating and generating recipes for change concerning diversity in the
> > Wikimedia movement.
> >
> > We will be sharing more updates regarding a possible conference later in
> > 2020. For now, we are working on drafting a grant proposal to the
> Wikimedia
> > Foundation to support the conference. As part of the drafting the
> proposal,
> > a Community Engagement Survey is crucial to understand what community
> > members are expecting out of such conference. In that regard, Wikimedia
> > Norge invite all those who are interested in the topic of diversity to
> take
> > part in the survey.
> >
> > Please take the survey here
> > <
> >
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEaXc2AIaaFgKiQUWCDdnJKLd26KA8_DDQsyAqemXsH-wRyw/viewform
> > >
> > or copy and paste the URL below into your internet browser:
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEaXc2AIaaFgKiQUWCDdnJKLd26KA8_DDQsyAqemXsH-wRyw/viewform
> >
> > *Participants*
> > For a Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020 we would like to invite
> > participants who are decision-makers in the movement (volunteers, board
> or
> > staff members of a Wikimedia affiliate) or highly engaged in projects
> about
> > knowledge equity and diversity. The conference will be an opportunity for
> > the participants to discuss solutions for implementation of the 2030
> > movement strategy
> >  on
> > knowledge equity.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > *Jon Harald Søby*
> > Prosjektleder / Prosjektleiar / Prošeaktajođiheaddji / Project Manager
> > Wikimedia Norge / Wikimedia Noreg / Wikimedia Norga
> >
> > +47 977 67 510
> > jhs...@wikimedia.no
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey: Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
How do you define diversity?
Thanks,
 GerardM

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 13:44, Jon Harald Søby  wrote:

> Hi all, and apologies if you receive this email several times – I will be
> posting it to multiple mailing lists.
>
> Wikimedia Norge would like to organize a regional Wikimedia Diversity
> Conference in 2020 for Europe, with the hope of many other regional
> conferences on the same topic being held in the near future. The Wikimedia
> Diversity Conference 2020 will provide a meeting place for discussing,
> debating and generating recipes for change concerning diversity in the
> Wikimedia movement.
>
> We will be sharing more updates regarding a possible conference later in
> 2020. For now, we are working on drafting a grant proposal to the Wikimedia
> Foundation to support the conference. As part of the drafting the proposal,
> a Community Engagement Survey is crucial to understand what community
> members are expecting out of such conference. In that regard, Wikimedia
> Norge invite all those who are interested in the topic of diversity to take
> part in the survey.
>
> Please take the survey here
> <
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEaXc2AIaaFgKiQUWCDdnJKLd26KA8_DDQsyAqemXsH-wRyw/viewform
> >
> or copy and paste the URL below into your internet browser:
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEaXc2AIaaFgKiQUWCDdnJKLd26KA8_DDQsyAqemXsH-wRyw/viewform
>
> *Participants*
> For a Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020 we would like to invite
> participants who are decision-makers in the movement (volunteers, board or
> staff members of a Wikimedia affiliate) or highly engaged in projects about
> knowledge equity and diversity. The conference will be an opportunity for
> the participants to discuss solutions for implementation of the 2030
> movement strategy
>  on
> knowledge equity.
>
> Best regards,
> *Jon Harald Søby*
> Prosjektleder / Prosjektleiar / Prošeaktajođiheaddji / Project Manager
> Wikimedia Norge / Wikimedia Noreg / Wikimedia Norga
>
> +47 977 67 510
> jhs...@wikimedia.no
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[Wikimedia-l] Community survey: Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020

[Jon Harald Søby]

Hi all, and apologies if you receive this email several times – I will be
posting it to multiple mailing lists.

Wikimedia Norge would like to organize a regional Wikimedia Diversity
Conference in 2020 for Europe, with the hope of many other regional
conferences on the same topic being held in the near future. The Wikimedia
Diversity Conference 2020 will provide a meeting place for discussing,
debating and generating recipes for change concerning diversity in the
Wikimedia movement.

We will be sharing more updates regarding a possible conference later in
2020. For now, we are working on drafting a grant proposal to the Wikimedia
Foundation to support the conference. As part of the drafting the proposal,
a Community Engagement Survey is crucial to understand what community
members are expecting out of such conference. In that regard, Wikimedia
Norge invite all those who are interested in the topic of diversity to take
part in the survey.

Please take the survey here

or copy and paste the URL below into your internet browser:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEaXc2AIaaFgKiQUWCDdnJKLd26KA8_DDQsyAqemXsH-wRyw/viewform

*Participants*
For a Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020 we would like to invite
participants who are decision-makers in the movement (volunteers, board or
staff members of a Wikimedia affiliate) or highly engaged in projects about
knowledge equity and diversity. The conference will be an opportunity for
the participants to discuss solutions for implementation of the 2030
movement strategy
 on
knowledge equity.

Best regards,
*Jon Harald Søby*
Prosjektleder / Prosjektleiar / Prošeaktajođiheaddji / Project Manager
Wikimedia Norge / Wikimedia Noreg / Wikimedia Norga

+47 977 67 510
jhs...@wikimedia.no
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

[Peter Southwood]

Thanks for the heads-up, Mike,
P

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Mike Peel
Sent: 20 January 2020 00:29
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

This meta RfC might be of interest:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia

Gracias,
Mike

> On 19 Jan 2020, at 08:54:12, geni  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 00:50, Pine W  wrote:
>> 
>> There are ways that Wikimedia rebranding consultations could be done
>> collaboratively, politely, and with careful stewardship of donor's money.
>> This is not one of them.
> 
> Eh questionable. The community is difficult to engage at the best of
> times and tends to be reflexively conservative about such things. It
> may well be that it is impossible to get any meaningful agreement on
> rebranding.
> 
>> I think that it's time for some people in WMF to move on.
> 
> This kind of thing has happened from time to time despite significant
> staff turnover over the years. Probably just a natural function of
> certain organisations. All we can really do is try and limit the
> damage.
> 
>> but I've had enough of poor coordination,
> 
> Unavoidable from time to time since there is too much going on for any
> one person to keep track of.
> 
>> questionable financial decisions,
> 
> Again a function of size. It would frankly be concerning if every
> editor agreed with every financial decisions. There is also the long
> standing problem of balancing the risk of wasting money with the risk
> of paralysis.
> 
> 
> 
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