[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Željko Blaće]

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 1:47 AM James Heilman  wrote:

> Well the story around Osmosis has further details... They released their
> first 300 or so vidoes under an open license and they were within Wikipedia
> articles for a while. You can still see them on Commons here:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_from_Osmosis
>
> A number of folks pushed exceedingly hard for their removal. And thus they
> are no longer in EN WP. How extensively they were viewed we do not know as
> we have no way to determine that data. Our only data for videos is if the
> portion of the page they are on is loaded or not, and not if the play
> button has been pressed or how much of the video was watched.
>
> Following the breakdown of our collaboration with Osmosis they dropped the
> use of an open license, and all their subsequent material is fully
> copyrighted. Just a few weeks back they sold themselves to Elsevier...
>

WoOoW - that sounds terrible...
When was this happening and How?
This is worth writing about, reflecting and
keeping in mind for the future!
#BestPracticies #WorstPracticies

Maybe EN Wikipedia's lowest common denominator of tolerance to innovation
is too low :-(


> Now one of the legitimate criticisms of these videos is that they were not
> easily collaboratively editable. We have built software to make
> collaborative editing of video easier. Unfortunately currently it is down
> and we are needing to find a programmer able and willing to fix it, we at
> Wiki Project Med do not have much funding available...
> https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:VideoWiki
>

It is admirable you do not give up on this.

Best Z. Blace


> James
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 4:53 PM Juergen Fenn  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, James. I think this is an important point. So we could say we
>> have lost a part of acedemia.
>>
>> More to the point, we seem to have failed to integrate course materials
>> and multimedia formats into Wikipedia articles.
>>
>> Could we try and create some of these and integrate them into articles
>> relevant to students in oder to test whether this makes a difference to
>> them? Or do you think they would stick to Osmosis etc. anyway?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jürgen.
>>
>> Am 08.01.22 um 00:38 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
>> > With respect to some anecdotal evidence, I have for many years asked the
>> > medical students who work with me on their clinical rotations how they
>> > study. I get a few passes through my department a month.
>> >
>> >  Most reported using Wikipedia 5 to 10 years back. Now sources like
>> > Osmosis, which are basically short video overviews with questions banks
>> > attached, are more commonly mentioned. Video is becoming a more common
>> > way for younger folks to learn.
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mohamed ElGohary > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > "Is the traffic measured where content is read" would be a better
>> > way of putting it.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gohary (ircpresident)
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:52 AM Juergen Fenn > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter"
>> > machine-created
>> > traffic. Do we know more about this?
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Jürgen.
>> >
>> > Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
>> > > Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than
>> > 10 years.
>> > > It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump
>> > during
>> > > the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is
>> > continuing again... This
>> > > despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be
>> > related to
>> > > the pandemic.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
>> > <
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
>> >
>> > >
>> > <
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
>> > <
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
>> >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
>> > <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
>> >
>> > >
>> > <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
>> > <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
>> >>
>> > >
>> > > James
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski
>> > mailto:toni91ehrl...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > >> wrote:
>> > 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: The Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the Year - Call for Nominations

[Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga]

Hello,I wonder why a multicultural project, whose major strength is in the multilingual approach asks for a research to be on English."* The publication must be available in English."I'm currently researching about Wikimedia, and I'm doing it in Basque language. I hope to publish in a couple of years my PhD, and I hope to do it in Basque. I have read good research in other languages, mainly Spanish, French and Italian, that are languages I can understand. There should be great research in German and Russian, I hope there are good peer reviewed articles in Arabic or Chinese. I wonder if someone is researching in Guarani, Odia, Xhosa or Nynorsk. I have personally met researchers working on Mayan languages.Narrowing research to the language of the Empire is against our principles, our strategy and our vision.I hope there is a change in this point.Sincerely,Galder.2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 20:48 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Leila Zia ):[Apologies for cross-posting.]

Hi all,

We invite you to nominate one or more scholarly research publications
to be considered for the Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the
Year. Learn more below.

=Purpose of the award=
Recognize recent research on or about the Wikimedia projects or recent
research that is of importance to the Wikimedia projects. Recognize
the researchers behind the research.

You can learn more about 2021's winners at
https://research.wikimedia.org/awards.html .

=Eligibility criteria=
Your nomination must meet the following criteria:

* The research must be on, about, using data from, and/or of
importance to Wikipedia, Wikidata, Wikisource, Wikimedia Commons or
other Wikimedia projects.

* The publication must be available in English.

* The research must have been published between January 1, 2021 and
December 31, 2021.

=Nomination process=
Submit your nominations by 2022-02-07 through
https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=wmfray2021 . We will ask you
to provide the following information in your nomination:

* Title of the manuscript
* A copy of the manuscript you are nominating
* A summary of the research and a clear justification for why the work
merits the award (in 350 words or fewer in English).

Note that self-nominations and nominations of others' work are both welcome.

==Winner(s)==
The winner(s) will be announced in a ceremony as part of Wiki Workshop
2022: https://wikiworkshop.org/2022/ .

If you have any questions, please contact us at
wmf-ray-2...@easychair.org or here.

Best,
Benjamin Mako Hill (University of Washington)
Leila Zia (Wikimedia Foundation)
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[RonnieV]

Could there something be wrong with the presentation?

The total number of edits at the English Wikipedia should have dropped 
21,23% https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org [1]
The numbers at 
https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org/contributing/edits/normal|table|2-year|~total|monthly 
do show 63.8M edits in 2021 and only 61.5M in 2020.


Do I misinterpret the graph?

---
Met vriendelijke groet,

RonnieV

Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga schreef op 2022-01-07 18:51:

There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on 
views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.


2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders 
Wennersten ):


When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they 
all

show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).

Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not
creating "views"

Anders

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: The Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the Year - Call for Nominations

[Gereon Kalkuhl]

Thank you, Leila.

It's good to have an award like this and I always apreaciate the 
publications.

We have to think about "publication must be available in English" though.
On the top of my head I can think of very good non-English research that 
was published last year.

Do we want to be global and inclusive?

Best, Gereon


Am 07.01.2022 um 20:48 schrieb Leila Zia:

[Apologies for cross-posting.]

Hi all,

We invite you to nominate one or more scholarly research publications
to be considered for the Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the
Year. Learn more below.

=Purpose of the award=
Recognize recent research on or about the Wikimedia projects or recent
research that is of importance to the Wikimedia projects. Recognize
the researchers behind the research.

You can learn more about 2021's winners at
https://research.wikimedia.org/awards.html .

=Eligibility criteria=
Your nomination must meet the following criteria:

* The research must be on, about, using data from, and/or of
importance to Wikipedia, Wikidata, Wikisource, Wikimedia Commons or
other Wikimedia projects.

* The publication must be available in English.

* The research must have been published between January 1, 2021 and
December 31, 2021.

=Nomination process=
Submit your nominations by 2022-02-07 through
https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=wmfray2021 . We will ask you
to provide the following information in your nomination:

* Title of the manuscript
* A copy of the manuscript you are nominating
* A summary of the research and a clear justification for why the work
merits the award (in 350 words or fewer in English).

Note that self-nominations and nominations of others' work are both welcome.

==Winner(s)==
The winner(s) will be announced in a ceremony as part of Wiki Workshop
2022: https://wikiworkshop.org/2022/ .

If you have any questions, please contact us at
wmf-ray-2...@easychair.org or here.

Best,
Benjamin Mako Hill (University of Washington)
Leila Zia (Wikimedia Foundation)
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: The Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the Year - Call for Nominations

[F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l]

Hi/Bon dia

As being said, I assume that the eligibility criteria for the award means that 
some reviews or research articles published by colleagues or by me in Catalan 
are considered second-class publications.

If publishing about Wikimedia in our mother languages (most of them minorized 
at several or all levels) results as an exclusion from Wikimedia awards, I 
suspect that the inclusivity of 2030 Strategy is not being understood nor 
starting well at all.

Xavier Dengra

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

El dissabte, 8 de gener 2022 a les 10:20, Gereon Kalkuhl  
va escriure:

> Thank you, Leila.
>
> It's good to have an award like this and I always apreaciate the
>
> publications.
>
> We have to think about "publication must be available in English" though.
>
> On the top of my head I can think of very good non-English research that
>
> was published last year.
>
> Do we want to be global and inclusive?
>
> Best, Gereon
>
> Am 07.01.2022 um 20:48 schrieb Leila Zia:
>
> > [Apologies for cross-posting.]
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We invite you to nominate one or more scholarly research publications
> >
> > to be considered for the Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the
> >
> > Year. Learn more below.
> >
> > =Purpose of the award=
> >
> > Recognize recent research on or about the Wikimedia projects or recent
> >
> > research that is of importance to the Wikimedia projects. Recognize
> >
> > the researchers behind the research.
> >
> > You can learn more about 2021's winners at
> >
> > https://research.wikimedia.org/awards.html .
> >
> > =Eligibility criteria=
> >
> > Your nomination must meet the following criteria:
> >
> > -   The research must be on, about, using data from, and/or of
> >
> > importance to Wikipedia, Wikidata, Wikisource, Wikimedia Commons or
> >
> > other Wikimedia projects.
> >
> > -   The publication must be available in English.
> >
> > -   The research must have been published between January 1, 2021 and
> >
> > December 31, 2021.
> >
> >
> > =Nomination process=
> >
> > Submit your nominations by 2022-02-07 through
> >
> > https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=wmfray2021 . We will ask you
> >
> > to provide the following information in your nomination:
> >
> > -   Title of the manuscript
> > -   A copy of the manuscript you are nominating
> > -   A summary of the research and a clear justification for why the work
> >
> > merits the award (in 350 words or fewer in English).
> >
> > Note that self-nominations and nominations of others' work are both welcome.
> >
> > ==Winner(s)==
> >
> > The winner(s) will be announced in a ceremony as part of Wiki Workshop
> >
> > 2022: https://wikiworkshop.org/2022/ .
> >
> > If you have any questions, please contact us at
> >
> > wmf-ray-2...@easychair.org or here.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Benjamin Mako Hill (University of Washington)
> >
> > Leila Zia (Wikimedia Foundation)
> >
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: The Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the Year - Call for Nominations

[Gnangarra]

I can understand the indeed for all the publications to be published in one
common language, to enable easier comparison between works and to be able
to share the work across more of the community so we can benefit from the
work.

Perhaps there can be some support provided by the WMF to enable
translations of the research to english in a timely manner. Or at least
allow for an abstract to translated now and for finalists of the potential
works to be translated. Inclusion of communities must be our first priority
above any recognition through awards anything short of that goal
doesnt bestow any value to being awarded something as part of a global
community.

On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 17:40, F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi/Bon dia
>
> As being said, I assume that the eligibility criteria for the award means
> that some reviews or research articles published by colleagues or by me in
> Catalan are considered second-class publications.
>
> If publishing about Wikimedia in our mother languages (most of them
> minorized at several or all levels) results as an exclusion from Wikimedia
> awards, I suspect that the inclusivity of 2030 Strategy is not being
> understood nor starting well at all.
>
> Xavier Dengra
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> El dissabte, 8 de gener 2022 a les 10:20, Gereon Kalkuhl <
> gkalk...@freenet.de> va escriure:
>
> > Thank you, Leila.
> >
> > It's good to have an award like this and I always apreaciate the
> >
> > publications.
> >
> > We have to think about "publication must be available in English" though.
> >
> > On the top of my head I can think of very good non-English research that
> >
> > was published last year.
> >
> > Do we want to be global and inclusive?
> >
> > Best, Gereon
> >
> > Am 07.01.2022 um 20:48 schrieb Leila Zia:
> >
> > > [Apologies for cross-posting.]
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > We invite you to nominate one or more scholarly research publications
> > >
> > > to be considered for the Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the
> > >
> > > Year. Learn more below.
> > >
> > > =Purpose of the award=
> > >
> > > Recognize recent research on or about the Wikimedia projects or recent
> > >
> > > research that is of importance to the Wikimedia projects. Recognize
> > >
> > > the researchers behind the research.
> > >
> > > You can learn more about 2021's winners at
> > >
> > > https://research.wikimedia.org/awards.html .
> > >
> > > =Eligibility criteria=
> > >
> > > Your nomination must meet the following criteria:
> > >
> > > -   The research must be on, about, using data from, and/or of
> > >
> > > importance to Wikipedia, Wikidata, Wikisource, Wikimedia Commons or
> > >
> > > other Wikimedia projects.
> > >
> > > -   The publication must be available in English.
> > >
> > > -   The research must have been published between January 1, 2021 and
> > >
> > > December 31, 2021.
> > >
> > >
> > > =Nomination process=
> > >
> > > Submit your nominations by 2022-02-07 through
> > >
> > > https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=wmfray2021 . We will ask you
> > >
> > > to provide the following information in your nomination:
> > >
> > > -   Title of the manuscript
> > > -   A copy of the manuscript you are nominating
> > > -   A summary of the research and a clear justification for why the
> work
> > >
> > > merits the award (in 350 words or fewer in English).
> > >
> > > Note that self-nominations and nominations of others' work are both
> welcome.
> > >
> > > ==Winner(s)==
> > >
> > > The winner(s) will be announced in a ceremony as part of Wiki Workshop
> > >
> > > 2022: https://wikiworkshop.org/2022/ .
> > >
> > > If you have any questions, please contact us at
> > >
> > > wmf-ray-2...@easychair.org or here.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Benjamin Mako Hill (University of Washington)
> > >
> > > Leila Zia (Wikimedia Foundation)
> > >
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Francesc Fort]

The slow but steady decrease in readerships is known and has been
identified for a long. An important niche of readership are quick answers
for trivia (such as "what's the capital of X country") and there are tools
(some of those, powered by Wikidata) working better than a classical google
search and clicking on the Wikipedia article.

I mean, we talked a lot about this during Strategy. We just must find a
solution.

F.

Missatge de RonnieV  del dia ds., 8 de gen.
2022 a les 10:03:

> Could there something be wrong with the presentation?
>
> The total number of edits at the English Wikipedia should have dropped
> 21,23% https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
> 
> The numbers at
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org/contributing/edits/normal|table|2-year|~total|monthly
> do show 63.8M edits in 2021 and only 61.5M in 2020.
>
> Do I misinterpret the graph?
> ---
> Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> RonnieV
>
>
> Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga schreef op 2022-01-07 18:51:
>
> There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on
> views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
>
> 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders Wennersten <
> m...@anderswennersten.se>):
>
> When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all
> show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
> and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).
>
> Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
> contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not
> creating "views"
>
> Anders
>
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Vi to]

Just a couple of minutes ago I wanted to point out while chatting that two
(shitty) singers work together because they work for the same major. A
bunch of years ago I had to open some Google result to find such info, now
I don't.

Loss of readers is not bad in itself, it can be if there's a significant
number of potential new editors among the readers we lose in this way
(also, readers could affect fundraising, but I think we already make enough
of it). Anecdotically I think new editors rather come from those who look
for info which cannot be found in knowledge graph, but surely this requires
a proper investigation.

Vito

Il giorno sab 8 gen 2022 alle ore 12:39 Francesc Fort <
taronjasatsu...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> The slow but steady decrease in readerships is known and has been
> identified for a long. An important niche of readership are quick answers
> for trivia (such as "what's the capital of X country") and there are tools
> (some of those, powered by Wikidata) working better than a classical google
> search and clicking on the Wikipedia article.
>
> I mean, we talked a lot about this during Strategy. We just must find a
> solution.
>
> F.
>
> Missatge de RonnieV  del dia ds., 8 de
> gen. 2022 a les 10:03:
>
>> Could there something be wrong with the presentation?
>>
>> The total number of edits at the English Wikipedia should have dropped
>> 21,23% https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>> 
>> The numbers at
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org/contributing/edits/normal|table|2-year|~total|monthly
>> do show 63.8M edits in 2021 and only 61.5M in 2020.
>>
>> Do I misinterpret the graph?
>> ---
>> Met vriendelijke groet,
>>
>> RonnieV
>>
>>
>> Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga schreef op 2022-01-07 18:51:
>>
>> There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on
>> views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
>>
>> 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders Wennersten
>> ):
>>
>> When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all
>> show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
>> and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).
>>
>> Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
>> contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not
>> creating "views"
>>
>> Anders
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Liam Wyatt]

Building on Francesc’s point:
This is also why [what is now known as] ‘Wikimedia Enterprise’ appears
twice in the Movement Strategy.[1] That is: to make sure that ‘downstream’
readers receive high quality Wikimedia knowledge (up to date, attributed…);
and also to create a new diversified revenue stream from those high-volume
reuse organisations (so that they’re financially subsidising Wikimedia, not
the other way around).

In effect: it’s an insurance policy against the risks of potential future
of declining ‘direct’ readership due to ‘intermediation’ by third parties.
It’s not a complete solution, but plays a part.[2]

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Enterprise/FAQ#How_does_this_relate_to_the_movement_strategy

[2]
https://openfuture.eu/blog/wikimedia-enterprise/

- Liam / Wittylama

On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 12:39, Francesc Fort 
wrote:

> The slow but steady decrease in readerships is known and has been
> identified for a long. An important niche of readership are quick answers
> for trivia (such as "what's the capital of X country") and there are tools
> (some of those, powered by Wikidata) working better than a classical google
> search and clicking on the Wikipedia article.
>
> I mean, we talked a lot about this during Strategy. We just must find a
> solution.
>
> F.
>
> Missatge de RonnieV  del dia ds., 8 de
> gen. 2022 a les 10:03:
>
>> Could there something be wrong with the presentation?
>>
>> The total number of edits at the English Wikipedia should have dropped
>> 21,23% https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>> 
>> The numbers at
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org/contributing/edits/normal|table|2-year|~total|monthly
>> do show 63.8M edits in 2021 and only 61.5M in 2020.
>>
>> Do I misinterpret the graph?
>> ---
>> Met vriendelijke groet,
>>
>> RonnieV
>>
>>
>> Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga schreef op 2022-01-07 18:51:
>>
>> There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on
>> views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
>>
>> 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders Wennersten
>> ):
>>
>> When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all
>> show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
>> and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).
>>
>> Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
>> contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not
>> creating "views"
>>
>> Anders
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Gnangarra]

Falling readers means less awareness of being able to edit, that means less
contributors, and less donations.  Over the last 10 years we've put a lot
of effort and support into the basic contribution processes, but the
contributions need to shift to more of what our new audiences are expecting
from websites.  With such a change there is both a need to embrace it and
to facilitate learning the skills, investing in that learning curve.

We cant stay where we are, and we cant move forward without bringing the
community along

On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 19:59, Vi to  wrote:

> Just a couple of minutes ago I wanted to point out while chatting that two
> (shitty) singers work together because they work for the same major. A
> bunch of years ago I had to open some Google result to find such info, now
> I don't.
>
> Loss of readers is not bad in itself, it can be if there's a significant
> number of potential new editors among the readers we lose in this way
> (also, readers could affect fundraising, but I think we already make enough
> of it). Anecdotically I think new editors rather come from those who look
> for info which cannot be found in knowledge graph, but surely this requires
> a proper investigation.
>
> Vito
>
> Il giorno sab 8 gen 2022 alle ore 12:39 Francesc Fort <
> taronjasatsu...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> The slow but steady decrease in readerships is known and has been
>> identified for a long. An important niche of readership are quick answers
>> for trivia (such as "what's the capital of X country") and there are tools
>> (some of those, powered by Wikidata) working better than a classical google
>> search and clicking on the Wikipedia article.
>>
>> I mean, we talked a lot about this during Strategy. We just must find a
>> solution.
>>
>> F.
>>
>> Missatge de RonnieV  del dia ds., 8 de
>> gen. 2022 a les 10:03:
>>
>>> Could there something be wrong with the presentation?
>>>
>>> The total number of edits at the English Wikipedia should have dropped
>>> 21,23% https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>>> 
>>> The numbers at
>>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org/contributing/edits/normal|table|2-year|~total|monthly
>>> do show 63.8M edits in 2021 and only 61.5M in 2020.
>>>
>>> Do I misinterpret the graph?
>>> ---
>>> Met vriendelijke groet,
>>>
>>> RonnieV
>>>
>>>
>>> Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga schreef op 2022-01-07 18:51:
>>>
>>> There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on
>>> views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
>>>
>>> 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders
>>> Wennersten ):
>>>
>>> When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all
>>> show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
>>> and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).
>>>
>>> Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
>>> contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not
>>> creating "views"
>>>
>>> Anders
>>>
>>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
>>>
>>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>>>
>>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org
>>>
>>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wiki-research-l] The Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the Year - Call for Nominations

[Andy Mabbett]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 19:48, Leila Zia  wrote:

> =Eligibility criteria=

> * The publication must be available in English.

I echo others' concerns about this.

I'm equally concerned that, while WMF regard being in English as
essential for one of their awards, they do not regard the use of an
open licence as a requirement.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Vi to]

Yeah, although I think every user will, eventually, actually open our pages
several times, although less frequently because of smarter search engines.

Vito

Il giorno sab 8 gen 2022 alle ore 13:20 Gnangarra  ha
scritto:

> Falling readers means less awareness of being able to edit, that means
> less contributors, and less donations.  Over the last 10 years we've put a
> lot of effort and support into the basic contribution processes, but the
> contributions need to shift to more of what our new audiences are expecting
> from websites.  With such a change there is both a need to embrace it and
> to facilitate learning the skills, investing in that learning curve.
>
> We cant stay where we are, and we cant move forward without bringing the
> community along
>
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 19:59, Vi to  wrote:
>
>> Just a couple of minutes ago I wanted to point out while chatting that
>> two (shitty) singers work together because they work for the same major. A
>> bunch of years ago I had to open some Google result to find such info, now
>> I don't.
>>
>> Loss of readers is not bad in itself, it can be if there's a significant
>> number of potential new editors among the readers we lose in this way
>> (also, readers could affect fundraising, but I think we already make enough
>> of it). Anecdotically I think new editors rather come from those who look
>> for info which cannot be found in knowledge graph, but surely this requires
>> a proper investigation.
>>
>> Vito
>>
>> Il giorno sab 8 gen 2022 alle ore 12:39 Francesc Fort <
>> taronjasatsu...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> The slow but steady decrease in readerships is known and has been
>>> identified for a long. An important niche of readership are quick answers
>>> for trivia (such as "what's the capital of X country") and there are tools
>>> (some of those, powered by Wikidata) working better than a classical google
>>> search and clicking on the Wikipedia article.
>>>
>>> I mean, we talked a lot about this during Strategy. We just must find a
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> F.
>>>
>>> Missatge de RonnieV  del dia ds., 8 de
>>> gen. 2022 a les 10:03:
>>>
 Could there something be wrong with the presentation?

 The total number of edits at the English Wikipedia should have dropped
 21,23% https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
 
 The numbers at
 https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org/contributing/edits/normal|table|2-year|~total|monthly
 do show 63.8M edits in 2021 and only 61.5M in 2020.

 Do I misinterpret the graph?
 ---
 Met vriendelijke groet,

 RonnieV


 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga schreef op 2022-01-07 18:51:

 There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on
 views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.

 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders
 Wennersten ):

 When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all
 show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
 and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).

 Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
 contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not
 creating "views"

 Anders

 https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org

 https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org

 https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org

 https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Adam Sobieski]

Brainstorming, interested stakeholders could advance Web standards to improve 
“snippets”, for example facilitating menus on “snippets”. With extensible menus 
on “snippets”, “snippets providers” could place hyperlinks, e.g., “view”, 
“edit”, and “discuss”, on each “snippet” provided for end-users.

With respect to a “view” menu option, end-users could navigate to a “snippet’s” 
source content in context. This navigation could make use of text fragments 
(https://wicg.github.io/scroll-to-text-fragment/). It is possible is that 
“source content providers” could specify other mechanisms, e.g., 
URL-query-based, to override this default behavior with respect to hyperlink 
URL’s provided to end-users to “view” source content in context.

With respect to an “edit” menu option, end-users could navigate to pages for 
editing source content, e.g., wiki edit pages.

With respect to a “discuss” menu option, end-users could navigate to pages for 
discussing source content, e.g., wiki discussion pages.

There are more options for extensible “snippets” menus. For example, “like”, 
“upvote”, and “downvote”. It remains to be explored whether these kinds of menu 
options, “like”, “upvote”, and “downvote”, should keep end-users on “snippets 
provider” websites, navigate end-users to “source content provider” websites, 
or open “source content provider” websites in a new tab. These indicated 
possibilities, “like”, “upvote”, and “downvote”, may involve multi-party user 
authentication and bot prevention considerations.

Yet other menu options include a “follow” option which could subscribe 
end-users to alerts when the information in a “snippet” changes or is updated.

Yet other menu options include the option to “share” a snippet.

I hope that these initial ideas show that there are opportunities to advance 
the definitions of what “snippets” are and may become.

Web-standards-based approaches to improving “snippets”, e.g., facilitating 
extensible menus on “snippets”, could involve defining relevant HTML metadata 
(uses of  and  elements to provide information to “snippet 
providers”) and/or expanding relevant Web schemas. That is, “source content 
providers” could use HTML metadata or Web schemas to provide information to 
“snippets providers” to populate menu options as “snippets” from derived 
content are presented to end-users.


Best regards,
Adam

From: Adam Sobieski
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 7:31 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

Nathan,
All,

I wonder if Google maintains provenance for their “snippets” and whether 
developers and platform teams would be interested in requesting an API which 
includes features such as subscribing to pings (daily, weekly, or monthly) 
reporting usage data pertaining to derived data. The envisioned pings would say 
something like: 10,000 users this month asked questions which were answered by 
snippets derived from your content at: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Adams .

Brainstorming about the future of mobile computing and multimedia educational 
content, you might be interested in interactive video – video with menus (like 
Netflix “Black Mirror: Bandersnatch”, “Puss in Book: Trapped in an Epic Tale”, 
and “Minecraft Story Mode”). A tool for creating these videos is available at: 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/makerbox/tools/storyformer . In my opinion, interactive 
video is better for educational content than video.

You might be also interested in a new project proposal: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikianswers  .


Best regards,
Adam

From: Nathan
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 7:14 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

I think a lot has been said on this list over the last few years about a couple 
of major factors that probably still play a role:

* Shift to mobile device usage and how that affects Wikipedia usage and 
pageview stats
* Availability of more and more "snippets" in search engine results, which 
often makes it unnecessary for someone to click through into an article

My own sense is that the prevalence of snippets and smart search results is 
growing rapidly, I often skip clicking through to Wikipedia if my question is 
answered by Google.


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[Wikimedia-l] Today is the last day of application to be part of Wikimania 2022 organising team

[Butch Bustria]

Hi Everyone,

Today is the last day of application to be part of Wikimania 2022
organising team!  You can still catch up!

Go to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2022/Volunteer to know more
and how to apply!


Kind regards,

Butch Bustria
Wikimania SC

On Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 11:48 PM Butch Bustria  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I hope every one of you are enjoying the new year!
>
> This is to remind you that the deadline for volunteer application
> submission is on 9 January 2022 (Sunday)!
>
> Go to  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2022/Volunteer for more
> information
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Butch Bustria
> Wikimania SC
>
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021, 3:16 am phoebe ayers,  wrote:
>
>> x-posted to wikimania-l
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> The Wikimania Foundation events team, the Wikimania steering committee,
>> and members of the 2021 Wikimania organizing team would like to invite you
>> to help organize Wikimania 2022!  Wikimania 2022 will again primarily be a
>> virtual event, with distributed in-person events if local and global
>> circumstances allow.
>>
>> We need volunteers to be a part of the core organizing team as well as
>> for other roles. You can find more information here:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2022/Volunteer
>>
>> The core team will help determine the structure and timeline of the
>> event, lead programming, scholarship, communication and other teams for the
>> event, and help ensure our global conference is a success.
>>
>> For the process to volunteer, see:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2022/Volunteer#How_to_volunteer
>>
>>
>> There's a set of questions on the meta page linked above; you can email
>> your answers to the events team or post on meta by January 9th, 2022.
>> Events staff and Wikimania steering committee members will review
>> applications, meet with shortlisted candidates the following week, and
>> announce the core organizing team by January 21st. Please post any
>> questions on the talk page. We look forward to building an amazing
>> conference team!
>>
>> best,
>> Phoebe Ayers
>> vice-chair Wikimania Steering Committee
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Adam Sobieski]

Introduction
By establishing HTML metadata standards and defining new XML-based file 
formats, content providers, e.g., Wikipedia, could specify data, resources, and 
endpoints (e.g., XML-RPC endpoints) in webpage metadata for search engines, 
e.g., Bing, DuckDuckGo, and Google, to provide end-users with enhanced snippets 
as indicated in the following visualization.
Visualization

To what regions are cherry blossom trees indigenous?

Logo of content provider
Japan

Most flowering cherry trees are native to Japan and other parts of Asia, and 
they are roughly adapted to U.S. Department of Agriculture plant hardiness 
zones 5 to 8, though specific climate requirements vary among different 
varieties. April 6, 2020

View
Edit
Comment
Discuss
Upvote
Downvote
Subscribe
Share

Discussion of Visualization
The logo of the content provider could also function as either a hyperlink to 
the content provider’s main page or a hyperlink to the same address as the 
“view” menu option.

A search engine could present multiple answers from one or more content 
providers in response to an end-user’s question.
Menu Items
View
When selected, this menu option allows end-users to navigate to source content 
in context. This may involve a hyperlink using text fragments. With HTML 
metadata, content providers could override this default behavior, for example 
requesting a copy of the text fragment to a specified URL query parameter.
Edit
When selected, this menu option allows end-users to navigate to content 
providers’ pages for editing content.
Comment1
When selected, this menu option allows end-users to enter a comment on the 
search engine website, e.g., in a popup-styled widget, and this text comment is 
relayed to the content provider via XML-RPC.
Comment2
When selected, this menu option allows end-users to navigate to content 
provider website to comment on source content.
Discuss
When selected, this menu option allows end-users to navigate to content 
provider pages for discussing source content.
Upvote/Downvote1
When selected, these menu options allow users to upvote/downvote a snippet on 
the search engine.
Upvote/Downvote2
When selected, these menu options allow users to upvote/downvote a snippet on 
the content provider.
Subscribe1
When selected, this menu option allows end-users to subscribe to receive 
notifications from the search engine when source content, e.g., the answer to a 
question, changes or is updated.
Subscribe2
When selected, this menu option allows end-users to subscribe to receive 
notifications from the content provider when source content, e.g., the answer 
to a question, changes or is updated.
Share1
When selected, this menu option allows end-users to share the snippet with 
other end-users. The shared URL in this scenario is from the search engine.
Share2
When selected, this menu option allows end-users to share the snippet with 
other end-users. The shared URL in this scenario is from the content provider, 
perhaps with a text fragment affixed to the shared URL.
Content View Reporting
Related topics include content providers being able to specify endpoints to 
receive pings and aggregated pings from search engines for relaying views and 
usage data. An aggregated ping is a report which includes aggregated views and 
usage data, e.g., hourly, daily, or weekly views and usage data.
Potential Next Steps
Interested individuals and organizations could create and participate in a new 
W3C Community Group to discuss these and related topics and to develop HTML 
metadata and XML-based document formats.
Conclusion
Thank you. I hope that these ideas were of some interest to you.



Best regards,
Adam Sobieski
http://www.phoster.com

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