[Wikimedia-l] A new Signpost issue is out

2023-09-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe 
The Signpost – Volume 19, Issue 18 – 16 September 2023
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News and notes: Wikimedia power sharing – just an advisory role for the
volunteer community?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2023-09-16/News_and_notes

In the media: "Just flirting", going Dutch and Shapps for the defence?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2023-09-16/In_the_media

Obituary: Nosebagbear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2023-09-16/Obituary

Serendipity: Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no paywall, for thou, Wikipedia Library, art with me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2023-09-16/Serendipity

Featured content: Catching up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2023-09-16/Featured_content

Concept: Strange portal opened by CERN researchers brings Wikipedia
articles from "other worlds"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2023-09-16/Concept

Traffic report: Some of it's magic, some of it's tragic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2023-09-16/Traffic_report


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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Attribution of specific Wikipedia articles as sources of a LLM's output (Was: Bing-ChatGPT)

2023-09-16 Thread Maryana Pinchuk 
Hi Lauren,

Thanks for attending the Future Audiences community call this week, and 
apologies that we ran out of time before I was able to answer your question 
about the ChatGPT plugin next steps – answering now :)

You wrote:
“As for the Foundation’s ChatGPT plugin, I’m afraid I find it mostly unusable 
because it ignores everything after the first dozen paragraphs of all articles. 
That was listed as needing 3-4 days to fix on 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T343932 a month ago. Do you know whether 
there are any plans to go ahead with that fix?”

First: thank you for enabling the plugin and trying it out! We've just added a 
link to a survey that we're hoping will give us more feedback on whether/how 
the current plugin is meeting user needs. If you haven't already done so, I'd 
appreciate if you could take a few minutes to fill it out (you should see it in 
the footer of the plugin response). 

On your specific point about the 12-paragraph cutoff: yes, we recognize that 
this may lead to the plugin not finding relevant information in some cases 
(though from our qualitative coding of about 300 query responses in 6 
languages, the plugin was able to return relevant information about 84% of the 
time[1]). However, as I tried to stress in my blog post,[2] this plugin is 
intended to be a quick experiment and not a fully-featured, permanently 
maintained product. We're tracking many possible optimizations, such as changes 
to the 12-paragraph cutoff, showing references, improving output quality, etc. 
But in order to go deep on optimization, we first need to get compelling 
evidence that we *should* invest in a product like this, on an external 
platform that we don't manage, longterm – because making that investment would 
require getting more resources (i.e., an actual feature development team, not 
just part-time R), which would be a nontrivial change to our annual plan. As 
the WMF staffer who would be making the case for that investment internally and 
to the community: I think while there are definitely more things we can use the 
plugin to learn, and it's always possible that usage of ChatGPT and the plugin 
may take off wildly, I don't personally feel comfortable making that 
recommendation at this moment. (All that said, we may be able to get some more 
ad hoc R resources to make some optimization tweaks as we try to learn more – 
that's what I'm currently aiming for, so stay tuned!)

Please let me know if you have more questions or want to talk about plugin 
specifics, on-list, via email, or onwiki (the project is on Meta here: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_Audiences)!

Best,
Maryana

1. 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Future_Audiences/Experiments:_conversational/generative_AI#Preliminary_results
  
2. 
https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia

2023-09-16 Thread Peter Southwood 
Complaints about politics are business as usual. When we stop getting 
complaints about politics is the time to worry, because we will have become 
irrelevant.
Cheers,
Peter

-Original Message-
From: Lauren Worden [mailto:laurenworde...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 12 September 2023 00:43
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia

The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia
bias I can find on
https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are
climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think
Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.

Perhaps Atsme can clarify?

-LW

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett  wrote:
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>
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> On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, 
>  wrote:
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>> Justapedia
>
>
> It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" 
> and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" 
> suggests.
>
> But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
>
> "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding 
> the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve 
> content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a 
> high level, native understanding of written English"
>
>> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
>
>
> Oh, please. Do better than that.
>
>
> [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
>
> [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia

2023-09-16 Thread Peter Southwood 
Maybe it is not intended to be a Venn diagram, but just looks like one.

Cheers, Peter

 

From: Vi to [mailto:vituzzu.w...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 12 September 2023 09:51
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia

 

Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda.

 

Vito

 

Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
 ha scritto:

The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = 
Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that 
they actually think that.

 

Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion.

 

Galder

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From: Lauren Worden 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia 

 

The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia
bias I can find on
https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are
climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think
Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.

Perhaps Atsme can clarify?

-LW

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, 
>  wrote:
>
>> Justapedia
>
>
> It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" 
> and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" 
> suggests.
>
> But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
>
> "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding 
> the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve 
> content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a 
> high level, native understanding of written English"
>
>> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
>
>
> Oh, please. Do better than that.
>
>
> [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
>
> [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
>
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