Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia wins Spain's prestigious Asturias prize for international cooperation

[Dennis Pierri]

Amazing!  Thanks for sharing!
On Jun 17, 2015 12:17 PM, "Raymond Leonard" 
wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I thought that this was good enough to send directly to this list.
>
> Wikipedia wins Spain's prestigious Asturias prize for international
> cooperation
>
> http://bigstory.ap.org/article/eae55ea0d15841f5bb4f30ff00bf5430/wikipedia-wins-spanish-prize-international-cooperation
>
> Yours,
> Peaceray 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SatuSuro, stop stalking the home of my parents

[Dennis Pierri]

I'm aware, what I mean is that he could solve this by other means other than 
using this list.

On 03/08/2014, at 13:53, Newyorkbrad  wrote:

> Actually, those would not be appropriate ways of handling the (alleged)
> situation either.
> 
> Newyorkbrad
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Dennis Pierri  wrote:
> 
>> You can go to SatuSuro's talk page and say this personally to him or
>> vandalize it or whatever your heart desires, but please keep personal
>> things personal, this is about wikimedia projects, not about your personal
>> life.
>> 
>> On 02/08/2014, at 21:56, Russavia  wrote:
>> 
>>> In mid-July I was advised by an editor that on 5 July 2014 they had
>>> received via the Wikimedia mailing system an email from SatuSuro.[1] The
>>> editor in question, who stated that they ordinarily would not share
>> private
>>> communications but felt compelled to on this occasion, forwarded me the
>>> email, along with all headers. In this email SatuSuro made the
>>> following statement:
>>> 
>>> "I am not 100% sure where you contextualise your comments from, but he
>> is a
>>> local, and I know his parents house quite well"
>>> 
>>> Upon reading it, I was absolutely gobsmacked. Firstly, the comment was
>>> wildly out of place in the context of the email, and secondly, this is
>> how
>>> the email ended.
>>> 
>>> One will note that he states that he doesn't say that he knows me nor
>> knows
>>> my family, but that he knows my parents' house quite well. This obviously
>>> made me quite squeamish, because it's not my home that he states he knows
>>> well, but the home of my parents.
>>> 
>>> I have never met SatuSuro (T.H.) in real life, and have had no reason nor
>>> great desire to meet him. So he is not known to me on a personal level in
>>> any way, shape or form.
>>> 
>>> With this in mind, I sent an email to my folks asking them if they knew
>>> T.H. or if they recognised him from his photo.[2] I told them that the
>> guy
>>> had stated "I know his parents house quite well".
>>> 
>>> They were concerned. My old lady, especially so, who looked at his
>> comment
>>> the same way I did. I won't divulge what sort of search terms I found in
>>> her Google search history, even after I showed them the email which was
>>> sent by T.H.. Both my old man and old lady confirmed that they do not
>> know
>>> T.H. by name nor by photo, and have no idea how he could know their house
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> I informed them that if they should see him near their home that they
>>> should contact the police. My folks, who are enjoying their retirement
>> and
>>> have their four young grandkids at their house every other day, also took
>>> the grandkids aside and showed them T.H.'s photo and said that if they
>> see
>>> this man that they should tell them or their parents straight away - a
>> much
>>> needed lesson in "stranger danger" I guess.
>>> 
>>> It doesn't stop there, but I was informed the other day at a family get
>>> together, that they had shelled out a fair amount of money for multiple
>>> infrared cameras which are situated around their residence (in the open
>> and
>>> hidden), recording equipment, added security monitoring and installation.
>>> 
>>> This is so not cool. Absolutely not cool. One may expect to deal with
>>> creepy stalker cunts as a result of participating in sites such as 4chan
>> (I
>>> dunno, never participated, but it has that rep perhaps), but one should
>>> absolutely not expect to have to deal with such things from their
>>> participation in Wikimedia projects. And especially not from someone who
>> is
>>> a member of a WM Chapter (WMAU) and the recipient of a scholarship from
>> the
>>> WMF to travel to Wikimania next week.[3]
>>> 
>>> There is no reason at all that would have required T.H. to attempt to
>> stalk
>>> me in real life, and there is absolutely zero reason or excuse for him to
>>> be stalking, not my home, but the home of my parents, which has resulted
>> in
>>> them upgrading security, as great cost, to their castle.
>>> 
>>> A message to SatuSuro -- stop stalking the home of my parents you creepy
>>> fuck.
>>> 
>>> Russavia
>>> 
>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SatuSuro, stop stalking the home of my parents

[Dennis Pierri]

You can go to SatuSuro's talk page and say this personally to him or vandalize 
it or whatever your heart desires, but please keep personal things personal, 
this is about wikimedia projects, not about your personal life.

On 02/08/2014, at 21:56, Russavia  wrote:

> In mid-July I was advised by an editor that on 5 July 2014 they had
> received via the Wikimedia mailing system an email from SatuSuro.[1] The
> editor in question, who stated that they ordinarily would not share private
> communications but felt compelled to on this occasion, forwarded me the
> email, along with all headers. In this email SatuSuro made the
> following statement:
> 
> "I am not 100% sure where you contextualise your comments from, but he is a
> local, and I know his parents house quite well"
> 
> Upon reading it, I was absolutely gobsmacked. Firstly, the comment was
> wildly out of place in the context of the email, and secondly, this is how
> the email ended.
> 
> One will note that he states that he doesn't say that he knows me nor knows
> my family, but that he knows my parents' house quite well. This obviously
> made me quite squeamish, because it's not my home that he states he knows
> well, but the home of my parents.
> 
> I have never met SatuSuro (T.H.) in real life, and have had no reason nor
> great desire to meet him. So he is not known to me on a personal level in
> any way, shape or form.
> 
> With this in mind, I sent an email to my folks asking them if they knew
> T.H. or if they recognised him from his photo.[2] I told them that the guy
> had stated "I know his parents house quite well".
> 
> They were concerned. My old lady, especially so, who looked at his comment
> the same way I did. I won't divulge what sort of search terms I found in
> her Google search history, even after I showed them the email which was
> sent by T.H.. Both my old man and old lady confirmed that they do not know
> T.H. by name nor by photo, and have no idea how he could know their house
> well.
> 
> I informed them that if they should see him near their home that they
> should contact the police. My folks, who are enjoying their retirement and
> have their four young grandkids at their house every other day, also took
> the grandkids aside and showed them T.H.'s photo and said that if they see
> this man that they should tell them or their parents straight away - a much
> needed lesson in "stranger danger" I guess.
> 
> It doesn't stop there, but I was informed the other day at a family get
> together, that they had shelled out a fair amount of money for multiple
> infrared cameras which are situated around their residence (in the open and
> hidden), recording equipment, added security monitoring and installation.
> 
> This is so not cool. Absolutely not cool. One may expect to deal with
> creepy stalker cunts as a result of participating in sites such as 4chan (I
> dunno, never participated, but it has that rep perhaps), but one should
> absolutely not expect to have to deal with such things from their
> participation in Wikimedia projects. And especially not from someone who is
> a member of a WM Chapter (WMAU) and the recipient of a scholarship from the
> WMF to travel to Wikimania next week.[3]
> 
> There is no reason at all that would have required T.H. to attempt to stalk
> me in real life, and there is absolutely zero reason or excuse for him to
> be stalking, not my home, but the home of my parents, which has resulted in
> them upgrading security, as great cost, to their castle.
> 
> A message to SatuSuro -- stop stalking the home of my parents you creepy
> fuck.
> 
> Russavia
> 
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SatuSuro
> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SatuSuro_at_Wikimania_2013.jpg
> [3]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars#2014_WMF_Scholarship_Recipients
> (#83)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

[Dennis Pierri]

;O we get vandalized and he doesn't stick to his word of donating? Some people 
are just mean.

On 01/08/2014, at 10:10, Lisa Gruwell  wrote:

> We do not see any donations from anyone by that name.
> 
> Best,
> Lisa Gruwell
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Russavia 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Newyorkbrad 
>> wrote:
>>> The activity you describe is obviously unacceptable.  However, the amount
>>> of time and effort that out associated with tracking down and returning a
>>> particular $20 contribution would not be worth it.
>>> 
>>> Newyorkbrad
>> 
>> Newyorkbrad, it wouldn't be all that difficult, given that the
>> person's name is known, it was clearly done with Paypal, we have the
>> date the donation was made, etc, etc.
>> 
>> Furthermore, as the WMF have publicly spoken on these edits,[1] it
>> would be amiss to condemn the edits but not disavow donations made as
>> part of those edits.
>> 
>> The WMF should be refunding the donation.
>> 
>>> Even more worse, the Kremlin is using the English Wikipedia to support a
>>> misinformation campaign around the shoot down of MH17 by Russian
>>> separatists in Ukraine.[1] Thankfully we have these new watchdog Twitter
>>> bots to spot interference by unsophisticated government actors, of both
>> the
>>> playfully harmless and the dangerously harmful varieties.
>> 
>> Nathan, it is fantastic that Jen Psaki wishes to engage with the
>> Wikimedia community, but could you please in future ask her to send
>> her brainfarts from her own account. :)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Scotty
>> 
>> 
>> [1]
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/07/24/wikipedia-blocks-anonymous-edits-and-trolling-from-a-congressional-ip-address/
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

[Dennis Pierri]

Buddy I would support more common sense, some people on the list just don't 
think twice before hitting send, that's the way you start a wildfire. 
This has become an unmoderated forum full of people who seemingly doesn't 
remember that there are better ways or places to say to another "I hate you".
Really everyone should ask themselves before hitting send some of  this 
questions:
"Does this serves a good purpose?"
"Is it going to do any good?"
"Will it cause unnecessary conflict?"
"It is written in a proper and polite way?"
Being emotional and eager to say something is not so good here, it's a mail 
list, you can take your time, be as polite as possible, and use your common 
sense, or else this will get worse.

Dennis Pierri 

On 16/06/2014, at 00:01, Jasper Deng  wrote:

> I would support increased moderation too, except that sockpuppetry on email
> lists is trivial (do we really want to go into the mess of implementing
> CheckUser for email headers?).
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> But this behaviour that you are saying is so Wikimedia Movement, the name
>> is totally correct. And expect a block, because they are free, but they
>> "need to act in the name of the community, to stop 'trolls'". ;)
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 June 2014 00:51, Dennis Pierri  wrote:
>> 
>>> Agreed, this list has seen too much personal confrontation, fights and
>>> general shit and nothing really productive lately, by the way, be
>>> ready for the shit storm from those who feel alluded.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM, billinghurst 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I am looking for a productive mailing list that discusses matters of
>>>> importance to the Wikimedia community. That the people on such a list
>> can
>>>> have these discussions politely, respectfully, and with concern for
>>> others
>>>> in that the words that say, and attitudes taken.  I want to see
>>>> announcements, I want to see a higher quality of conversation on what
>>>> should be a flaglist in the mailing list space of Wikimedia.
>>>> 
>>>> We don't have it. One gets to the point of utter frustration with this
>>>> list, and it is time that the backstabbers, frontstabbers,
>> bitchfighters,
>>>> venal, conceited, etc. need a place to kill each other with as much
>> venom
>>>> as possible, but not under the more impressive and specific name of
>>>> wikimedia-l. So please rename this list, and take all its people to
>>>> something befitting the behaviour seen.  Then please produce a clean
>> list
>>>> for those who don't have to have the antics of these unbearable,
>>>> egotistical, and apparently intolerant and chauvinistic people, and
>>> please
>>>> don't let them join that list.  They can have their shithole and revel
>> in
>>>> it. They know who they are and they would feel ashamed if they had a
>>>> modicum of interest outside of themselves.
>>>> 
>>>> If that is not possible, then those of who us who want a higher quality
>>>> discussion will unsubscribe, and be unrepresented and unheard. Another
>>> win
>>>> for the trolls, and a sad reflection on the direction.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards, Billinghurst
>>>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

[Dennis Pierri]

Agreed, this list has seen too much personal confrontation, fights and
general shit and nothing really productive lately, by the way, be
ready for the shit storm from those who feel alluded.

On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM, billinghurst  wrote:
> I am looking for a productive mailing list that discusses matters of
> importance to the Wikimedia community. That the people on such a list can
> have these discussions politely, respectfully, and with concern for others
> in that the words that say, and attitudes taken.  I want to see
> announcements, I want to see a higher quality of conversation on what
> should be a flaglist in the mailing list space of Wikimedia.
>
> We don't have it. One gets to the point of utter frustration with this
> list, and it is time that the backstabbers, frontstabbers, bitchfighters,
> venal, conceited, etc. need a place to kill each other with as much venom
> as possible, but not under the more impressive and specific name of
> wikimedia-l. So please rename this list, and take all its people to
> something befitting the behaviour seen.  Then please produce a clean list
> for those who don't have to have the antics of these unbearable,
> egotistical, and apparently intolerant and chauvinistic people, and please
> don't let them join that list.  They can have their shithole and revel in
> it. They know who they are and they would feel ashamed if they had a
> modicum of interest outside of themselves.
>
> If that is not possible, then those of who us who want a higher quality
> discussion will unsubscribe, and be unrepresented and unheard. Another win
> for the trolls, and a sad reflection on the direction.
>
> Regards, Billinghurst
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to Criticize with Kindness

[Dennis Pierri]

This is highly needed, thanks for sharing.

Dennis Pierri

On 14/05/2014, at 08:56, Everton Zanella Alvarenga  
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I remember once I shared here some thoughts from Dennett on the importance
> of making mistakes<http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/dennett/papers/howmista.htm>.
> Now I saw this article about his new book, *Intuition Pumps And Other Tools
> for Thinking*<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393082067/braipick-20>,
> and I would like to share here also:
> 
> http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2014/03/28/daniel-dennett-rapoport-rules-criticism/
> 
> "How to compose a successful critical commentary:
> 
> 
>   1. You should attempt to re-express your target’s position so clearly,
>   vividly, and fairly that your target says, “Thanks, I wish I’d thought of
>   putting it that way.
>   2. You should list any points of agreement (especially if they are not
>   matters of general or widespread agreement).
>   3. You should mention anything you have learned from your target.
>   4. Only then are you permitted to say so much as a word of rebuttal or
>   criticism."
> 
> 
> If someone here read it, please, share your impressions. I'm tempted to do
> it.
> 
> Tom
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[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to comment on Terms of use amendment

[Dennis Pierri]

Hello, I want to invite anyone who wants to join the discussion on the
Terms of use amendment about paid editing, you may read what it is about at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment ,
you are invited to do so in any language you want.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

[Dennis Pierri]

Thanks for your reply :)


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 5:37 PM, geni  wrote:

> On 28 February 2014 21:49, Dennis Pierri  wrote:
>
> > The servers are still in the US, has anybody proposed a global effort?
> > Will Wikimedia move the servers to EU in case this is accepted?
> >
>
>
> No. There is quite a bit of stuff on Wikimedia severs that is in breach of
> criminal law in parts of the EU. Nothing special just the usual mix of
> blasphemy, breach of court orders, insulting foreign heads of state and
> extreme pornography. There may be some other stuff but there is a limit to
> the number of legal systems I can keep track of.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

[Dennis Pierri]

The servers are still in the US, has anybody proposed a global effort? Will 
Wikimedia move the servers to EU in case this is accepted?

On 28/02/2014, at 03:19, "Federico Leva (Nemo)"  wrote:
> 
> This is being done at least for EU, see consultation for which there is time 
> till March 5. 
> 
> 
> Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

[Dennis Pierri]

It would be nice if all of the chapters send to their governments a petition to 
allow a global standardized use of media just for wikimedia projects, it is a 
big problem that every country has different laws on copyright and public 
domain media, and that wikimedia has to comply with U.S law just because the 
servers are in there, we as a community should ask a global standardized media 
handling law for wikimedia which might or might not include giving special 
licenses for wikimedia projects, trying to keep in line with the foundation 
ideals, I know it sounds a bit crazy, but hey it's the biggest compilation of 
human knowlege, it should be following laws (copyright and public domain in 
this case) that all of human kind reach in consensus, not just the laws of the 
place where the servers are.

Dennis Pierri

On 27/02/2014, at 19:23, Osmar Valdebenito  wrote:

> Wikimedia Argentina is formed by a group of volunteers from the Wikimedia
> movement. That includes several long-time contributors to Commons that have
> discussed with us in the past months the situation about URAA. This open
> letter is not something written by a group of strangers or people that
> haven't participated in the discussions of the community; probably not all
> of them have been able to participate before as much as we want in this
> particular topic, but that doesn't mean their opinions are less valuable
> than those that take a more active role within the discussions. Some of
> them have seen in the past weeks their talk pages flooded with DR notices
> against Argentine free pictures, uploaded even several years ago and they
> have argued, trying to save them. Saying that they don't know how Wikimedia
> Commons work to this group of volunteers is also really offensive.
> 
> 
> I understand you could feel upset for the strong words of our letter
> regarding the particular URAA situation, especially when most of the
> contributors work hardly every day to maintain this project and a lot of
> them have had a constructive approach to this discussion. If you feel our
> letter has been disrespectful for the rest of the Commons community, our
> sincere apologies for that.
> 
> 
> However, we still believe in what we wrote on the letter. When you see
> that, even after the BoT statement there are still new DR coming up [1] and
> more files being deleted [2], then it is clear that something wrong is
> happening. The BoT has called to stop the massive deletions unless there
> are DMCA notices and this has been regarded as a "mere opinion" instead of
> a statement from the authorities responsible of the project (it would be
> great, anyway, to have a less ambiguous statement).
> 
> 
> You may not agree with the BoT statement or the large majority on the
> proposal to restore the deleted images on Commons [3], but there should
> have been more prudence within some administrators and freeze the deletions
> until we find a consensus for this situation. And it hasn't been the case,
> clearly. This is what we criticize; this is the kind of attitudes that
> de-motivates many editors. When one of the strictest interpretations of law
> is applied without consideration of anything else, is what we labeled
> "legal fetichism".
> 
> 
> Maybe you don't agree with that opinion and that's ok, but it is a feeling
> that a lot of people share, including even Commons contributors. Not only
> those that wrote this open letter but also many of those that have voted
> for the "massive restoration" proposal.
> 
> 
> 
> [1]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Carlos_Trillo.jpg
> [2]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Le%C3%B3n_Gieco_1980.jpg
> 
> [3]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Massive_restoration_of_deleted_images_by_the_URAA
> 
> *Osmar Valdebenito G.*
> Director Ejecutivo
> A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
> 
> 
> 2014-02-27 0:28 GMT-03:00 Avenue :
> 
>> Look, I have no problem with the open letters from WM Venezuela, España or
>> Israel. I might not agree 100% with everything in them, but they are
>> generally on top of the issues, and they focus on the problems they law
>> poses for us and our need for better solutions - all worth bringing to a
>> wider audience.
>> 
>> But the letter from WM Argentina is very different. It condemns the actions
>> of "certain Wikimedia Commons administrators" who have deleted
>> URAA-affected files (without naming them or linking to any of the relevant
>> deletions), and makes various claims about how Commons policy and practice
>> has changed and is inconsistent with statements by the WMF Board and Legal
>> team

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine -- is everyone safe?

[Dennis Pierri]

May he rest in peace

Sent from my iPhone

On 24/02/2014, at 06:56, Craig Franklin  wrote:

> Awful, awful news.  My condolences to his family, friends, and the WMUA
> community =(.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 24 February 2014 09:01, Maryana Pinchuk  wrote:
> 
>> For those of you who don't read Ukrainian, a quick ad-hoc translation of
>> the blog post. So sorry for the loss of a fellow Ukrainian and such a
>> bright young member of the Wikimedia movement :(
>> 
>> * * *
>> 
>> "Wikipedian Igor Kostenko dies on the Maidan.
>> 
>> February 20, 2014, during the protests in Kiev, Igor Kostenko – an active
>> contributor to the Ukrainian Wikipedia, journalist and geography student –
>> died tragically.
>> 
>> Igor Kostenko was born December 31, 1991, in the village of Zubrets in the
>> Buchach region of Ternopil. After graduating from high school, he attended
>> Ivan Franko University in Lviv, where he was in his fifth year of study in
>> the department of geography, majoring in Organizational Management. In
>> addition to his studies, he worked as a journalist for the publication
>> "Sports Analysis."
>> 
>> Igor was an active contributor to the Ukrainian Wikipedia, writing under
>> the username Ig2000.[1] Igor registered an account on July 23, 2011, and in
>> just that month began writing his first articles. In two and a half years,
>> he wrote over 280 articles and made over 1,600 edits. He had a wide range
>> of encyclopedic interests – he wrote articles on sports topics (soccer,
>> Formula One), geography, economics, and the history of the Ukrainian
>> military. His article on the Nezamozhnyk destroyer of the Ukrainian and
>> Soviet fleet in the first half of the 20th century[2] was acknowledged for
>> its quality by the community and achieved the status of "Good article."
>> Additionally, he contributed many updates on sports events to Wikinews.
>> 
>> Igor was also active in promoting Ukrainian Wikipedia on social media,
>> through which he sought to gain more contributors. He was an administrator
>> of the Ukrainian Wikipedians Facebook page,[3] where he regularly posted
>> interesting facts from Wikipedia. In August 2013 he proposed hosting a Wiki
>> Flashmob – inviting a large group of Ukrainians to participate in a day of
>> article-writing on Wikipedia. The Wiki Flashmob was planned for January 20,
>> 2014, the 10-year anniversary of Ukrainian Wikipedia, but due to the tragic
>> events in the country, the event was cancelled. Igor believed that the
>> flashmob would help fill Wikipedia with thousands of new articles in the
>> course of a day and proposed a strategy to realize his dream, but
>> unfortunately, he did not live to see it become a reality.
>> 
>> On February 18, 2014, along with other students from Lviv, Igor came to
>> Kiev to the Euromaidan, because he wanted Ukraine to be led by people with
>> a patriotic spirit. On February 20th, during a protest on Instytutskaya
>> Street, Igor died tragically: he bravely went ahead with a shield, but he
>> was shot by two bullets, one of which struck him in the head...
>> 
>> Today, February 23, Igor was buried in his home town of Buchach. Thousands
>> of people accompanied him on his final journey – both students from Lviv
>> and residents of Ternopil.
>> 
>> In honor of Igor and the tens of others who died on the Euromaidan,[4] on
>> February 21, the community decided to modify the logo of the Ukrainian
>> Wikipedia with a black ribbon as a symbol of mourning.
>> 
>> The editors of Ukrainian Wikipedia and Wikimedia Ukraine offer their
>> condolences to the friends and family of Igor Kostenko. A page has been
>> created on Wikipedia where you can leave your condolences.[5]
>> 
>> Memory eternal..."
>> 
>> 1.
>> 
>> https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%87:Ig2000
>> 2.
>> 
>> https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_(%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BC%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%86%D1%8C)
>> 3. https://www.facebook.com/groups/ukwiki/
>> 4.
>> 
>> https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%85_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%84%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%83
>> 5.
>> 
>> https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0:Ig2000/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BC%27%D1%8F%D1%82%D1%8C
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <
>> amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
>> 
>>> Big sigh.
>>> 
>>> According to Wikimedia Ukraine blog, one Wikimedian was killed: Ihor
>>> Kostenko, a student of Geography born in 1991.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://wikimediaukraine.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/in-memoriam-of-ihor-kostenko/
>>> 
>>> You can express condolences here:
>>> https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ig2000/Пам'ять
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine -- is everyone safe?

[Dennis Pierri]

In Venezuela we are going through the same situation! We students are being 
brutally repressed by government forces just for peacefully protesting, they've 
killed several students in cold blod, and they infiltrate our parades to 
generate destruction and chaos just to try and justify their actions. Every 
mayor city in Venezuela is protesting against the so called "son of Chavez", 
Cuban-controlled dictator Nicolás Maduro and his destructive economical and 
political policies. CNN en espanol (along with other international mass media) 
is making wide coverage of the situation because no national mass media is 
allowed to do so, they even took of air NTN24 (a Colombian news channel) for 
giving coverage of the situation. The only channel allowed to give coverage of 
the situation is the government controlled channel VTV, they only report what 
the government can use to their favor and very often twist stories to fit their 
purposes. Venezuela wants liberty and democracy, we are fighting for it, please 
help us by staying well informed, look for several sources not only one, and by 
giving us moral support!

Dennis Pierri

On 20/02/2014, at 09:03, Laura Hale  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk  wrote:
> 
>> Some WMUA members stay on barricades. Other help in hospitals. IDK if
>> right now but they do regularly. --Base
>> 
> 
> I've blogged about this issue at
> http://wikinewsreporter.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/ukrainian-civil-unrest-and-sochi-reporting/.
> The people I've dealt with in the chapter have been awesome all
> things
> considered in trying to support the movement by providing free information
> while at the same time trying to deal with everything that is going on
> around them.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Laura Hale
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

[Dennis Pierri]

I've had the same issues in Spanish Wikipedia, the project is missing 
neutrality and is in danger because of "serious" editors and admins which put 
their opinions before the Wikipedia values

Sent from my iPhone

On 04/09/2013, at 16:38, Rui Correia  wrote:

> Greetings to All
> 
> Let me start by saying that I don't do much here at the WP, not compared to
> people who make hundreds of edits a week. I would love to, have a long list
> of "to-do", but unfortunately time is not on my side.
> 
> In my limited involvemet here, I have seen many a good editor leave the
> project. Mostly, people leave because they can't take it anymore having to
> fight the 'blocks' of defenders that coalesce around certain topics.
> 
> In itself, though not very healthy, such blocks forming around topis is
> fine. What is not fine is that if any issue gets referred to a higher
> process for a resolution, it is often the same people grouping of people
> previously involved in disputes on the same topic who come to the
> resolution forum to issue a decision. However, it is always the 'outsider'
> that loses. He gets acused of everything under the sun, and gets 'good
> advice' from supposedly neutral editors, urging him to calm down, to temper
> his language etc. It is like trying to point out that the earth is round at
> a monthly meetng of the fat-earthers. That is not healthy and is making the
> WP processes look like a kangaroo court run by a cabal.
> 
> And I expect pretty much the same reaction to this email.
> 
> I pointed out in an ealier email to this list the difficulty that one
> encounters when you include something negative about certain big
> corporations. I was stoned and made to feel that I was wrong and everbody
> else was right. The reaction was tantamount to a chorus of "yes, we know
> there are problems, but don't say it out loud, someone might hear you!".
> 
> Let's for argument's say that I was wrong. But - more importantantly - was
> anything done to investigate what I was saying? What if there are legions
> out there paid to sanitise the pages of big corporations? And we know that
> they exist, and that WP has taken up the issue as in here,
> http://nick-xomba-ceo.xomba.com/microsoft_accused_of_paying_blogger_to_alter_wikipedia_articles
> 
> I made a silly remark on a Talk page about the choice of the word
> "downgrade" to refer to people using Windows 8 who wanted to go back to XP.
> For a failed product, by Microsoft's own admission, going back to XP is an
> upgrade, going back to sanity, not a downgrade.
> 
> I was first accused of trolling, then something else, then of offending the
> entire community of users of Windows 8. The editor who is adamant - not the
> first time - to purge ant-MS from the talkpage violated the 3RR, but
> nothing gets done about it. I reported the 3RR, and it was immediately
> closed, labelled as being relatiatory. There is a backlog of issues on that
> page, but my entry was closed within minutes.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Codename_Lisa_reported_by_User:Rui_Gabriel_Correia_.28Result:_Closed.29
> 
> It was closed, claiming that it was already being addressed elsewhere.
> 
> So, I too will consider my stay here. Like I said right at the top, I don't
> do much here, so I am certain I will not even be missed. I edit in eight
> languages, small little bits here and there. I participated in a number of
> initiaves on the development of Chapters in Africa and am happy to see that
> things are moving. I had the honour and privilege to meet Jimmy Wales in
> South Africa and to discuss a few things relating to WP in Africa.
> 
> So, it is time to wind down anr retire into a corner. I am busy with a
> novel, I am sure that is where I should invest my time and energy.
> 
> Sincere regards to all, happy editing
> 
> Rui Correia
> 
> 
> 
> 
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