[Wikimedia-l] Re: Deror Lin passed away

[Raymond Leonard]

May his memory always be a blessing.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Chat GPT

[Raymond Leonard]

n language using the
>> dictionary and some texts, and then let it fill the project with a
>> thousands of articles. (As an aside, in fact, one probably can train it to
>> the soon-to-be-extint languages and save them until the moment there is any
>> interest for revival, but nobody seems to be interested). However, there is
>> a high potential for abuse, as I can imagine people not speaking the
>> language running the tool and creating thousands of substandard articles -
>> we have seen this done manually, and I would be very cautious allowing this.
>>
>> Best
>> Yaroslav
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 4:57 AM Raymond Leonard <
>> raymond.f.leonard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As a friend wrote on a Slack thread about the topic, "ChatGPT can
>>> produce results that appear stunningly intelligent, and there are things
>>> that I’ve seen that really leave me scratching my head- “how on Earth
>>> did it DO that?!?”  But it’s important to remember that it isn’t actually
>>> intelligent.  It’s not “thinking.”  It’s more of a glorified version of
>>> autosuggest.  When it apologizes, it’s not really apologizing, it’s just
>>> finding text that fits the self description it was fed and that looks
>>> related to what you fed it."
>>>
>>> The person initiating the thread had asked ChatGPT "What are the 5
>>> biggest intentional communities on each continent?" (As an aside, this
>>> was as challenging as the question that led to Wikidata, "What are the ten
>>> largest cities in the world that have women mayors?") One of the answers
>>> ChatGPT gave for Europe was "Ikaria (Greece)". As near as I can determine,
>>> there is no intentional community of any size in Ikaria. However, the
>>> Icarians <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icarians> were a 19th-century
>>> intentional community in the US founded by French expatriates. It was named
>>> after a utopian novel, *Voyage en Icarie*, that was written by Étienne
>>> Cabet. He chose the Greek island of Icaria as the setting of his utopian
>>> vision. Interesting that ChatGPT may have conflated these.
>>>
>>> It seems that given a prompt, ChatGPT shuffles & regurgitates facts.
>>> Just as a card dealer deals a good hand, sometimes ChatGPT seems to make
>>> sense, but I think at present it really is " a glorified version of
>>> autosuggest."
>>>
>>> Yours
>>> Peaceray
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 6:39 PM Gnangarra  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the simplest answer is yes its an artificial writer but its not
>>>> intelligence as the name implies but rather just a piece of software that
>>>> gives answers according to the methodology of that software. The garbage in
>>>> garbage out format, it can never be better than the programmers behind the
>>>> machine
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 at 09:56, Victoria Coleman <
>>>> vstavridoucole...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Ziko and Steven for the thoughtful responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> My sense is that for a class for readers having a generative UI that
>>>>> returns an answer VS an article would be useful. It would probably put
>>>>> Quora out of business. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> If the models are not open source, this indeed would require
>>>>> developing our own models. For that kind of investment, we would probably
>>>>> want to have more application areas. Translation being one that Ziko
>>>>> already pointed out but also summarization. These kinds of Information
>>>>> retrieval queries would effectively index into specific parts of an 
>>>>> article
>>>>> vs returning the whole thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikipedia as we all know is not perfect but it’s about the best you
>>>>> can get with the thousands of editors and reviewers doing quality control.
>>>>> If a bot was exclusively trained on Wikipedia, my guess is that the
>>>>> falsehood generation would be as minimal as it can get. Garbage in garbage
>>>>> out in all these models. Good stuff in good stuff out. I guess the
>>>>> falsehoods can also come when no material exists in the model. So instead
>>>>> of making stuff up, they could default to “I don’t know the answer to
>>>>> that”. Or in our case, we could 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Chat GPT

[Raymond Leonard]

As a friend wrote on a Slack thread about the topic, "ChatGPT can produce
results that appear stunningly intelligent, and there are things that I’ve seen
that really leave me scratching my head- “how on Earth did it DO that?!?”
But it’s important to remember that it isn’t actually intelligent.  It’s not
“thinking.”  It’s more of a glorified version of autosuggest.  When it
apologizes, it’s not really apologizing, it’s just finding text that fits
the self description it was fed and that looks related to what you fed it."

The person initiating the thread had asked ChatGPT "What are the 5 biggest
intentional communities on each continent?" (As an aside, this was as
challenging as the question that led to Wikidata, "What are the ten largest
cities in the world that have women mayors?") One of the answers ChatGPT
gave for Europe was "Ikaria (Greece)". As near as I can determine, there is
no intentional community of any size in Ikaria. However, the Icarians
 were a 19th-century intentional
community in the US founded by French expatriates. It was named after a
utopian novel, *Voyage en Icarie*, that was written by Étienne Cabet. He
chose the Greek island of Icaria as the setting of his utopian vision.
Interesting that ChatGPT may have conflated these.

It seems that given a prompt, ChatGPT shuffles & regurgitates facts. Just
as a card dealer deals a good hand, sometimes ChatGPT seems to make sense,
but I think at present it really is " a glorified version of autosuggest."

Yours
Peaceray



On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 6:39 PM Gnangarra  wrote:

> I think the simplest answer is yes its an artificial writer but its not
> intelligence as the name implies but rather just a piece of software that
> gives answers according to the methodology of that software. The garbage in
> garbage out format, it can never be better than the programmers behind the
> machine
>
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 at 09:56, Victoria Coleman <
> vstavridoucole...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Ziko and Steven for the thoughtful responses.
>>
>> My sense is that for a class for readers having a generative UI that
>> returns an answer VS an article would be useful. It would probably put
>> Quora out of business. :-)
>>
>> If the models are not open source, this indeed would require developing
>> our own models. For that kind of investment, we would probably want to have
>> more application areas. Translation being one that Ziko already pointed out
>> but also summarization. These kinds of Information retrieval queries would
>> effectively index into specific parts of an article vs returning the whole
>> thing.
>>
>> Wikipedia as we all know is not perfect but it’s about the best you can
>> get with the thousands of editors and reviewers doing quality control. If a
>> bot was exclusively trained on Wikipedia, my guess is that the falsehood
>> generation would be as minimal as it can get. Garbage in garbage out in all
>> these models. Good stuff in good stuff out. I guess the falsehoods can also
>> come when no material exists in the model. So instead of making stuff up,
>> they could default to “I don’t know the answer to that”. Or in our case, we
>> could add the topic to the list of article suggestions to editors…
>>
>> I know I am almost day dreaming here but I can’t help but think that all
>> the recent advances in AI could create significantly broader free knowledge
>> pathways for every human being. And I don’t see us getting after them
>> aggressively enough…
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Victoria Coleman
>>
>> On Dec 29, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Steven Walling 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 4:09 PM Victoria Coleman <
>> vstavridoucole...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone. I have seen some of the reactions to the narratives
>>> generated by Chat GPT. There is an obvious question (to me at least) as to
>>> whether a Wikipedia chat bot would be a legitimate UI for some users. To
>>> that end, I would have hoped that it would have been developed by the WMF
>>> but the Foundation has historically massively underinvested in AI. That
>>> said, and assuming that GPT Open source licensing is compatible with the
>>> movement norms, should the WMF include that UI in the product?
>>
>>
>> This is a cool idea but what would the goals of developing a
>> Wikipedia-specific generative AI be? IMO it would be nice to have a natural
>> language search right in Wikipedia that could return factual answers not
>> just links to our (often too long) articles.
>>
>> OpenAI models aren’t open source btw. Some of the products are free to
>> use right now, but their business model is to charge for API use etc. so
>> including it directly in Wikipedia is pretty much a non-starter.
>>
>> My other question is around the corpus that Open AI is using to train the
>>> bot. It is creating very fluid narratives that are massively false in many
>>> cases. Are they training on Wikipedia? Something else?
>>
>>
>> They’re almost 

[Wikimedia-l] Cascadia Wikimedians User Group

[Raymond Leonard]

The annual report of the Cascadia Wikimedians User Group for 2021 is
located at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_Wikimedians/2021_report

Aside from participating in WikiConference North America 2021, we had a
lean year due to the pandemic. We plan to resume more activities in the
remainder of 2022.

Yours,
Ray Leonard
User:Peaceray 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

[Raymond Leonard]

I hope I am one of those "rare exceptions" that Paulo Santos Perneta writes
about. I also wish that welcoming would be neither rare or exceptional.

My habit:

   - For newly registered users, which I define as someone with a redlinked
   talk page, I welcome them.
   - If I am going to revert that user's edit then warn them (via Twinkle
  almost always), I want to ensure that they are welcomed first.
   - For IP editors:
  -  If I am reverting an obviously inappropriate edit by an
  un-welcomed IP editor, I typically use one of the Twinkle welcome/warning
  combos, such as Template:Welcome-anon-test,
  Template:Welcome-anon-unconstructive, or Template:Welcome-anon-delete.
  - If an  un-welcomed IP editor, makes a revertible edit that is
  non-malicious, I usually do a Template:Welcome-anon without the article
  parameter, then add a warning
  - If an  un-welcomed IP editor, editor is doing good, I use a
  Template:Welcome-anon-constructive

Peaceray

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:58 AM Pine W  wrote:

> I have a more nuanced view.
>
> The community benefits from new editors who are acting in good faith
> and willing to learn.
>
> I agree that treatment of new editors can be problematic.
>
> On the other hand, having become one of the "insiders", I now
> understand how English Wikipedia has a limited supply of skilled labor
> from volunteers who are trying to defend Wikipedia against vandals,
> conflict of interest editors, copyright violations, and other
> problems.
>
> There is a WMF team working to improve the onboarding experience. I'm
> cc'ing Marshal Miller (WMF) here in case he would like to comment.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

[Raymond Leonard]

One can use "one" or "one's" to substitute in many places for 3rd person
singular pronouns. Not everywhere, but it is in keeping with English
grammar.

Peaceray

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:35 AM, J.  wrote:

> Instead of:
> * A photographer has to be given credit when the picture is used.
> How about:
> * The artist must be given attribution when an image is reused.
>
> Cheers! Wayne Calhoon (AKA Checkingfax)
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Any perspective from Wikimedia Movement about the copyright refined

[Raymond Leonard]

I think that the gist of the article, "UK Intellectual Property Office:
what is in the Public Domain must stay in the Public Domain" is similar to
the principle that Commons operates on, as noted in this wording:

"Exception: Faithful reproductions of two-dimensional works of art, such as
paintings, which are in the public domain are an exception to this rule. In
July 2008, following a statement clarifying WMF policy, Commons voted to
the effect that all such photographs are accepted as public domain
regardless of country of origin, and tagged with a warning. For details,
see Commons:Policy on photographs of old pictures."
Source: Commons:Licensing#Interaction of US and non-US copyright law
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing#Interaction_of_US_and_non-US_copyright_law

See also: Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag (Redirected from
Commons:Policy on photographs of old pictures)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:When_to_use_the_PD-Art_tag

Yours,
Peaceray

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Liang-chih Shang Kuan <
shangkua...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please refer to this link,
> http://www.communia-association.org/2015/12/04/1761/ .
>
> Sounds like a more restricted condition for copyright holder. I am
> wondering is there any feedback from WMF or the UK chapter?
>
>
> Liang
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Raymond Leonard]

Often I see or make additions to articles & then see hidden categories like
Official Website not in Wikidata or Coordinates not in Wikidata, or the
Authority Control data is in Wikidata but it has an LCCN parameter added in
the template in Wikipedia. Are there any semi-automated tools that would
facilitate moving such data into Wikidata when we encounter these things?
How can we improve the workflow to aid the transfer of this data?

Yours,
Peaceray


On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Romaine Wiki 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a better
> integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
>
> Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are not
> added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject exists.
> Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is no
> stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after the
> creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc) in
> what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the first
> stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be better if
> this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay in
> Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
>
> A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of properties
> (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further properties.
>
> This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia and her
> sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.
>
> For this I created a Phabricator task at:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
>
> Thanks!
> Romaine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Raymond Leonard]

I am going to suggest something, but I have no idea of the development that
it will take.

Currently Visual Editor has Template forms. If Template data that has been
inputted into a form can be directed to be stored automatically in Wikidata
instead of Wikipedia, & that data is then pulled back into the page, I
believe this would be transparent to the editor.

Yours,
Peaceray

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Risker  wrote:

> This is where I disagree with you, Romaine.  I do believe my examples are
> exactly right. We do not expect anyone to add information to any other
> project when they create content on the project of their choice.  We have a
> hard enough time recruiting contributors to any of our projects now, and
> pressuring them to work on other projects at the same time is not the path
> to volunteer satisfaction.
>
> Consider that the hypothetical editor you mention, who writes five articles
> a day, may really not have any interest in adding to Wikidata, Wikisource,
> Wikiquote, etc.  Is there benefit in pressuring him to do so?  Or is it
> more likely that he'll stop contributing to the Wikidata backlog by not
> creating the articles in the first place?
>
> On many of the larger projects, and in fact on many of the smaller ones
> too, only registered, logged-in users can create articles. "Logged in" is
> not a reasonable filter.  A preference to receive a reminder that Wikidata
> is missing would work. But it should not automatically pop up whenever
> someone creates an article, which is just as likely to annoy editors.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki  wrote:
>
> > That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here.
> > On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should be
> > added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual
> > interwikis existed.
> >
> > And we have already received complaints why users do not get a message
> > after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.
> >
> > Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps further
> > settings are possible.
> >
> > At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are not
> > added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not added
> to
> > Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100 new
> > articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one wiki,
> and
> > a huge workload to get them added properly.
> >
> > Romaine
> >
> >
> > 2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker :
> >
> > > Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
> > >
> > > This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't
> really
> > > feel comfortable with.  We don't expect people to add images to Commons
> > > when they write an article.  We don't expect people to include
> > definitions
> > > in Wiktionary when they are using a word.  We don't expect people to be
> > > adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote.  For that
> > matter,
> > > we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they
> review
> > > on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they add
> to
> > > Wikiquote.  So why would we set up any kind of expectation that people
> > > would add "data" to Wikidata?
> > >
> > > I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, bluntly
> put,
> > > isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add
> junk
> > > data to Wikidata.  Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing and
> > > improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we shouldn't
> be
> > > adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
> > >
> > > Risker/Anne
> > >
> > > On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a
> > > better
> > > > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
> > > >
> > > > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are
> not
> > > > added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject
> exists.
> > > > Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is
> no
> > > > stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after
> > the
> > > > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc)
> in
> > > > what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the
> > first
> > > > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be
> better
> > if
> > > > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay
> in
> > > > Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
> > > >
> > > > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
> > > properties
> > > > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further
> > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

[Raymond Leonard]

Maybe someone with the Mass Messenger privilege can compile a Arkansas user
list & use the Mass Messenger service to post to their talk pages.

Yours,
Peaceray

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Keegan Peterzell 
wrote:

> I gave Gnangarra a potential contact off-list.
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:
>
> > Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating a
> > Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian.
> >
> >
> ​Jane, this is so off-base it's bordering offensive to those that live in
> "fly-over" states. You don't need a massive city to have Wikimedians and I
> have no idea where you're coming from.
>
> It took me approximately 12 seconds to find someone in
> [[Category:Wikipedians in Arkansas]] who is active, has been around awhile,
> and whose userpage indicates they are in the same city. A city that has a
> metro population of three-quarters of a million, at that.
>
> (If you don't have userinfo.js [0] in your global .js, I highly recommend
> it)
>
> 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PleaseStand/userinfo.js
>
> --
> ~Keegan
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
>
> This is my personal email address. Everything sent from this email address
> is in a personal capacity.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Geohack

[Raymond Leonard]

Nou Nouill commented:

 Moreover, in plenty of language, Geohack have long lists of hundred links,
 with lot of useless links, because languages communities want to describe
 exhaustively web mappings service. So the presentation of Geohack is often
 very weighed down.

Perhaps this is a problem that can be solved with WikiData,  on the
presentation side only the in language links would be provided, according
to the particular language of the Wikipedia / Wikimedia project

Yours
Peaceray https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Peaceray
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On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.de
wrote:

 Nou Nouill nounou...@gmail.com wrote:

  [...]

  So, I want to ask if the Foundation have a plan to improve Geohack ? I
 have
  the impression when I see https://tools.wmflabs.org that Geohack was
 mainly
  maintain by volunteer, but for me Geohack is a core item of the Wikimedia
  sphere. So I don't understand that situation since few years. I hope it's
  the place to do this comment.

 There is a task about moving Geohack to production
 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102960; Move geohack to
 production).  However in the WMF cluster there is also al-
 ready Extension:MapSources
 (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MapSources)
 deployed on the Wikivoyage sites, so (IMHO) it is more use-
 ful to expand on that foundation.

 The problems Geohack faced in the past (AFAICT) can be
 mostly attributed to failures in the Labs infrastructure, so
 moving the functionality to an (internal) extension would
 improve the availability (or to put in another way: If Geo-
 hack/Extension:MapSources would /then/ fail, Wikipedia would
 be down as well :-)).

 Tim


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Community UG Belarus

[Raymond Leonard]

Welcome to the Wikimedians of Wikimedia Community User Group Belarus!

Yours,
Peaceray https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Peaceray
Cascadia Wikimedians User Group http://cascadia.wiki

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Congratulations, Belarusian colleagues!

A.

 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
 wrote:

  Dear all,
 
  It is an honour and a pleasure to announce on behalf of the Affiliations
  Committee the recognition [1] of the newest Wikimedia User Group:
 Wikimedia
  Community User Group Belarus. Among their objectives are to represent
 both
  Belarusian Wikipedias (classical and academic) in international
 relations;
  to widen media presence and public awareness about Belarusian Wikipedias'
  community activities; and to make collaborative projects with other
  interest groups, social initiatives, NGOs and local communities in
 Belarus
  and abroad.
 
  Please join us in welcoming a new member of the family! :-)
 
 
  1:
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Belarus_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015
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  junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain.
  Carlos M. Colina
  Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
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  Phone: +972-52-4869915
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG

[Raymond Leonard]

Welcome to the Iranian Wikimedians User Group!

Yours,
Peaceray https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Peaceray
Cascadia Wikimedians User Group http://cascadia.wiki

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org wrote:

 On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 13:20:56 -0700
 Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  Congratulations and much success!
 
 A.
 

 Congratulations, good luck, and welcome aboard!

 Regards,

 Shlomi Fish

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedians of Korea as a Wikimedia User Group

[Raymond Leonard]

Welcome to the Wikimedians of Korea User Group!

Yours,
Peaceray https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Peaceray
Cascadia Wikimedians User Group http://cascadia.wiki

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
wrote:

 Dear all,

 We have another group of wikimedians being recognised [1], the Wikimedians
 of Korea User Group. They have been around for some time and among their
 main interests is the development of educational content in South Korea
 available for all, along with supporting the development of other Wikimedia
 projects.

 Welcome!!

 1:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Wikimedians_of_Korea_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015
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 Carlos M. Colina
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedians of Albanian Language as a Wikimedia User Group

[Raymond Leonard]

Welcome to Wikimedians of Albanian Language user group!

Yours,
Peaceray https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Peaceray
Cascadia Wikimedians User Group http://cascadia.wiki

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Congratulations, Albanian Wikimedians!

A.

 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
 wrote:

  Dear all,
 
  On behalf of the Affiliations Committee, it is an honor for me to
 announce
  the recognition [1] of Wikimedians of Albanian Language as a WUG. They
 are
  working hard to increase (in quantity and quality) the free knowledge
  available in albanian, as well as collaborating with other fellow
  wikimedians in areas of the Balkans outside of Albania where their
 language
  is also spoken. Hence their name :-)
 
  Welcome!
 
  1:
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Wikimedians_of_Albanian_Language_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015
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  junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain.
  Carlos M. Colina
  Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
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  http://wikimedia.org.ve
  Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia wins Spain's prestigious Asturias prize for international cooperation

[Raymond Leonard]

Folks,

I thought that this was good enough to send directly to this list.

Wikipedia wins Spain's prestigious Asturias prize for international
cooperation
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/eae55ea0d15841f5bb4f30ff00bf5430/wikipedia-wins-spanish-prize-international-cooperation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the votes...

[Raymond Leonard]

Folks,

At the link, you can find
List votes: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections 2015
https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/list/512

Yours,
Peaceray
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peace...@cascadia.wiki

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 3 June 2015 at 13:26, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se
 wrote:
 ...
  This is new information for me. We have had a similar but extended list
 like
  this to have as base for vote checking. But I am not aware it will be
  generally available.
 
  At the start this year we discussed what type of voting method to use,
 like
  all open as done for stewardelection or with secure Poll with S/N/O. We
 had
  an overwhelming majority for non-total open one. But we never discussed
  general availability of this list.
 
  Anders

 Unless the wider community of Wikimedians has established a consensus
 to a process change, the list should be published as it has in past
 years. This has been my full expectation, I even ran some male/female
 analysis of past lists for research.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of North Carolina Triangle Wikipedians User Group

[Raymond Leonard]

Congratulations and welcome!

Yours,
Peaceray
Cascadia Wikimedians User Group

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
wrote:

 Dear all,

 On behalf of the Affiliations Committee, I am honored to announce the
 recognition [1] of a new User Group in the United States - the North
 Carolina Triangle Wikipedians. As their name implies, they are mostly
 active in the region known as the Research Triangle, or simply The
 Triangle. They have already organized activities in the region, especially
 at Duke and UNC related to MediaWiki, edit-a-thons and the Education
 Program. We'll see more of that in the near future :-)

 So please, let's welcome the newest member of the family of affiliates!
 Congrats!

 Regards,
 Carlos

 1:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/North_Carolina_Triangle_Wikipedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_May_2015
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 Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Helping Nepal Through Collaborative Mapping

[Raymond Leonard]

For those of us in the Seattle area:

HOT Mapping for Nepal
http://www.meetup.com/MaptimeSEA/events/222141886/
Thursday, April 30, 2015, 6:00 PM

Yours,
Peaceray


On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Jake Orlowitz jorlow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great article about how you can use pitch in with the Humanitarian
 OpenStreetMaps Team (HOT) to aid Nepal rescue and recovery:


 http://www.fastcoexist.com/3045527/one-way-you-can-help-nepal-right-now-all-you-need-is-a-computer-and-a-little-time

 I'm going to check it out.

 Jake (Ocaasi)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play? (Mohammed BAchounda)

[Raymond Leonard]

I believe a lengthy discussion about why it was pulled can be found at:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-September/thread.html#7974

Yours,
Peaceray

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Aleksey Bilogur aleksey.bilo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Just to be sure, I don't have any ill will against Yuvi, I'm just highly
 surprised that the staff problem is apparently bad enough that the mobile
 team is killing their own secondaries, even though mobile is one of the WMF
 ' S developmental foci.
 On Apr 16, 2015 12:52 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

  In defense of Yuvi, he is routinely extinguishing metaphorical fires and
  hunting gremlins in Tool Labs. He may just be overtasked at the moment. I
  suggest that you email him a reminder.
 
  Pine
  On Apr 16, 2015 3:44 AM, Aleksey Bilogur aleksey.bilo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Hmm. I was annoyed at Yuvi a couple of weeks ago because he promised
 he'd
   get back to me on repairing the Wikipedia Signpost app but we never got
  the
   call back. But apparently the WMF lacks the technical resources to
   systematically maintain its own side-projects---let alone the hobby
 work
  of
   its developers. This is disappointing...
  
   On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Mohammed Bachounda 
   bachou...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
 You can find the application at Github
 https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-commons
   
   
It was pulled from the stores because of lack of maintenance and
   resources.
More information at
   https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Commons
and
   
  
 
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-September/007974.html
(plus following emails).
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Regarding knowledge

[Raymond Leonard]

Wikipedia has been, is,  ever shall be a work in progress. I don't think
anyone is denying that any Wikimedia project is imperfect nor is anyone
suggesting that there is no room for improvement. Regarding
trustworthiness, *Доверяй, но проверяй* [Trust, but verify
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verify]. One should always go to
the citation sources. A Wikipedia will always be a summary of information,
 not the be-all or end-all.

Anthony, if your comments were on on Wiki, I might have posted {{Uw-sofixit
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-sofixitredirect=no}}
on your talk page. Please, we need you help. If you see something wrong,
please be bold  fix it. Sometimes Wikipedia can only be improved one
article  one edit at a time.

Yours,
Peaceray

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Anthony Cole ahcole...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's an encyclopedia, Marc. The world's encyclopedia. People should be able
 to trust it. You and the rest of the WMF need to get that through your
 heads or you'll wake up one morning soon and find Wikipedia on page 2 of
 Google and you out of a job. This is the most important issue facing
 Wikipedia. Denial isn't helping.

 Anthony Cole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthonyhcole


 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org
 wrote:

  On 15-04-07 12:51 PM, Anthony Cole wrote:
   Wikipedia
   should not be trusted for anything - least of all health matters .
 
  That's a perfectly true, but perfectly vacuous assertion.  Wikipedia
  should be trusted exactly as much as any other single source may be
  trusted, for exactly the same reason.  Striving to find the most
  reliable sources is fraught with pitfalls whether you attempt do to it
  yourself or rely on the collective efforts of Wikipedia editors to do so.
 
  Wikipedia is a giant collection of summaries and overview of topics, and
  it never pretendend to be anything else.  If you *end* your reasearch
  there for anything of importance, then you commit as sin no graver (nor
  lighter) than picking any other random book on the topic and ending your
  research there.
 
  -- Marc
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

[Raymond Leonard]

In the U.S., there is also a strong minority contingent of Libertarians,
who tend to be on the right-wing/conservative part of the political
spectrum. These are natural allies for both privacy  governmental
non-intrunsion. I think that they would welcome WMF joining this legal
action.

Yours,
Peaceray

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:15 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's difficult to overstate how much people love us. We tell them
 everything about everything, and we're mostly right and try to stay
 neutral. But it's all written by just people! So it's cosy as well.

 With SOPA, we discovered that: when Wikipedia says you suck, you *suck*.

 So I'd expect that this will only look good for us. But I don't claim
 to have numbers to this effect.

 On 10 March 2015 at 19:55, Johan Jönsson brevlis...@gmail.com wrote:
  2015-03-10 8:53 GMT+01:00 Michelle Paulson mpaul...@wikimedia.org:
 
  Hi All,
 
  I’m writing to let you know that today the Wikimedia Foundation[1] is
  filing suit against the National Security Agency
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency, the
 Department
  of
  Justice 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice
  ,
  and the U.S. Attorney General
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney_General[2] in
 order
  to challenge certain mass surveillance practices carried out by the U.S.
  government. We believe these practices are impinging the freedom to
 learn,
  inquire, and explore on Wikimedia sites.
 
  Since the 2013 mass surveillance disclosures, we’ve heard concerns from
 the
  community about privacy on Wikipedia. This lawsuit is a step towards
  addressing the community's justified concerns. We believe that the
  surveillance methods being employed by the NSA under the authority of
 the
  FISA
  Amendments Act
  
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act_of_1978_Amendments_Act_of_2008
  
  negatively impact our users' ability and willingness to participate in
 our
  projects. Today, we fight back.
 
  An op-ed
  
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/opinion/stop-spying-on-wikipedia-users.html?_r=0
  
  by Lila and Jimmy about the lawsuit, and Wikimedia's stance on
 government
  surveillance, appeared in The New York Times this morning.
 Additionally, we
  just published a blog post
  https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/10/wikimedia-v-nsa/ with more
  information about the suit. (The post will also up on Meta for
  translation).
 
 
  Curious question, by the way: how controversial would you expect this
 move
  to be domestically? From e.g. a Swedish perspective, the NSA is an
  intelligence agency of a foreign power and the other mentioned
  organizations are either largely uncontroversial and seen in a positive
  light (Amnesty, PEN, HRW) or unknown, but will it affect how the WMF is
  seen in the US?
 
  //Johan Jönsson
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Experiences with community living?

[Raymond Leonard]

I would also recommend checking the Intentional Communities' directory as
part of your search.

Communities Directory - Find Intentional Communities around the World
http://www.ic.org/directory/

Yours,
Peaceray

On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 1:24 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hei ;)

 These last months I have been visiting and living in several intentional
 communities to learn and understand what works for me and what doesn't. If
 done right, it is a great environment to have a simple life full of joy and
 happiness.

 I was wondering if anyone else in the WM movement is interested or has
 experience with tech/open knowledge communities?

 There is something like that in SF [1], but it seems to be more for profit
 and not volunteer-run, which for me is a must.

 Oh, btw, happy st valentine's. Love for all!
 Micru

 [1] http://bit-post.com/20mission-co-living-space-for-tech-talents/
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[Wikimedia-l] Announcement: Cascadia Wikimedians User Group board and officers

[Raymond Leonard]

Dear Wikimedians,

Cascadia Wikimedians User Group, which focuses on the U.S. states of Oregon
and Washington and the Canadian province of British Columbia, had our first
two board meetings this month. Our initial board members are:

Another Believer
Brianhe
Mako
Peaceray
Pine
Ragesoss

The following appointments have been made:

President: Peaceray
Vice President: Mako
Secretary: Another Believer
Treasurer: Brianhe
Executive Director: Pine

Thanks to everyone for their efforts at organizing the Cascadia Wikimedians
User Group, with a special shout out to Pine!

Yours,

Peaceray
President of Cascadia Wikimedians User Group

Another Believer
Secretary of Cascadia Wikimedians User Group
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